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Linux Community To Adopt New Code of Conduct (kernel.org)

Following Linus Torvalds' public apology for his behavior over the years, the Linux Community said it will be adopting a new "Code of Conduct", which pledges to make "participation in our project and our community a harassment-free experience for everyone, regardless of age, body size, disability, ethnicity, sex characteristics, gender identity and expression, level of experience, education, socio-economic status, nationality, personal appearance, race, religion, or sexual identity and orientation."

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  1. Re:Code of Conduct - Exact Text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One thing is certain - codes of conduct exist to take projects away from maintainers. That's their purpose. They've been forced onto one project after another - they are the open source/free software version of entryism. Woolly wording... fuck all to do with actual technology... vague enough to be used to crucify men based on anonymous, worthless allegations.

    Linus will end up regretting this. He'll be forced off the project by some bullshit made-up claim.

    It's how this always happens. Mark my words.

  2. fun game out of context, totally apropos: by Thud457 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    BULLSHIT.
    -- Linus Torvalds, LKML, 21/1/2018

    COMPLETE AND UTTER GARBAGE.
    -- Linus Torvalds, LKML, 21/1/2018

    WHAT THE F*CK IS GOING ON?
    -- Linus Torvalds, LKML, 21/1/2018

    --

    the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

    1. Re: fun game out of context, totally apropos: by xbytor · · Score: 3, Interesting

      > When you do it in public you 1) look like a dick, and 2) scare away people who very well may have good ideas but don't care to deal with your arrogant and insulting outbursts.

      >> This method works perfectly in the Military

      This.The reason you rip someone a new one in front of other people is so that you don't have to do it in private again and again to the other people. I learned this in Basic Training. I got ripped for a mistake and nobody else ever made that mistake again. I figured this out immediately and didn't take it personally.

  3. Re:Can't be examined in isolation by sinij · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One really can't discuss the wording of the CoC without discussing the Contributor Covenant and the larger philosophical goals of the Post-Meritocracy manifesto

    I think you can. Nothing in CoC states that you must also adopt the manifesto. Sure, this CoC was produced by dubious people with very questionable intentions. Likewise, GPL license is based on Stallman's ideas. This doesn't mean that we have to adopt all of the Stallman's extreme views about software in their entirety. I am still hopeful that sanity will prevail and it won't go past CoC. However, I do understand and share your concerns.

  4. Re:Can't be examined in isolation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You what's going to happen next, quotas on the percentage of women and minorities contributing to projects. These people are cancer and it's about time they stopped.

  5. Re:Can't be examined in isolation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    I am not a developer. I am a self taught system administrator. My first install was given to me by someone at CDROM.com back in 1995 and I have not looked back since other than for my gaming machine at home. I have two passions in life:

    1. Computer administration (including routers and firewalls).
    2. Games

    Years ago I wanted to get involved in promoting Linux and being a part of the community beyond just sitting back and watching with awe from afar. I even tried to but because I am self taught and did not have all the formal learning and knowledge, I was left out and treated horribly (RTFM was a favorite of the elitists). And that caused me to leave the idea of contributing to not only Linux but Open Source behind. Some do not learn by RTFM, some learn by getting their hands dirty and figuring it out by experience.

    These two pieces of news this week have re-invigorated me into a desire to get more involved in the things I love(d). Now regardless of the motivation of Linus or the communities ideas here, at least one person will be coming back to the fold. Hopefully that is what the mission is here and the ruthlessness and "RTFM n00b" stuff is in the past now.

    Good on you both.

  6. Re:Linux: survived Microsoft, killed by SJWs by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What words specifically are you worried about?

    --
    const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
    SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
  7. Re:Can't be examined in isolation by phantomfive · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The argument against meritocracy is this: Merit cannot be measured. How do you answer that claim? Do you disagree? It seems like you must have an argument against it.

    --
    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
  8. Re:Can't be examined in isolation by Etcetera · · Score: 3, Interesting

    To be clear though the Code of Conduct doesn't say any of that, or even hint at it. And the text from the Contributor Covenant that you quoted isn't actually from the Covenant itself, it's from the preamble on the web page that introduces it.

    So I think your "context" here is just fear-mongering. Can you point to anything you find problematic in the actual Code of Conduct?

    I don't see how the explicit preamble on the main page is to be dissociated from the code itself. That's like saying that the FSF's philosophy is distinct from the GPL. By its nature, a debate about which copyright license to use (say, GPL vs BSD vs MIT) touches on the philosophical underpinnings of the licenses themselves, not solely on the text, nor solely on the utilitarian effect of the license on project use.

    To answer your question, though, yes. The previous code referred to humans individually and did not prioritize, label, or categorize the use of various "classes" of persons. The new conduct policy is vague as to conduct, guarantees corrective action without indicating guidelines on what that is, describes a "professional environment", which (despite individuals being employed at times) implies a regulatory framework on the project as a whole, explicitly brings in public behavior outside the context of the project as subject to the jurisdiction of this, and implies there are additional rules to come.

    Off-hand, I'd say the Code of Conduct from near the end of the movie Pleasantville was less oppressive.

  9. Re:Can't be examined in isolation by atriusofbricia · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One really can't discuss the wording of the CoC without discussing the Contributor Covenant and the larger philosophical goals of the Post-Meritocracy manifesto

    I think you can. Nothing in CoC states that you must also adopt the manifesto. Sure, this CoC was produced by dubious people with very questionable intentions. Likewise, GPL license is based on Stallman's ideas. This doesn't mean that we have to adopt all of the Stallman's extreme views about software in their entirety. I am still hopeful that sanity will prevail and it won't go past CoC. However, I do understand and share your concerns.

    You're correct, the CoC doesn't absolutely require adopting the PMM. However, it would be very hard to ignore the fact that both were written by the same person with the same overall agenda in mind and what the previous person said is 100% correct, this is a political agenda and has nothing to do with technology and only relates to being respectful to people insofar as the ways in which that advances the political agenda in question.

    The previous "code" Linux had was fine. If a change was needed, an amendment of "Also, don't be a dick" would have worked. However, they have ripped out a code which specifically called for quality and good engineering above all and replaced it with one written by someone who is, by their own words a "Notorious Social Justice Warrior". I don't know the person, I could be misinterpreting their words and maybe it is tongue-in-cheek. I tend to doubt it.

    --
    I was raised on the command line, bitch

    "Nemo me impune lacesset"

  10. who's behind it? by astrofurter · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Who is the malign force behind the undemocratic imposition of this petty-authoritarian CoC on an unconsenting community? That person or organization is almost certainly also responsible for the ignominious purge of Free Software world hero Linus Torvalds.

    Follow the money - Progressives are always bankrolled by big money financialists and their running dog "non profits". Only a tiny minority of the population support their totalitarian policies. Without the big money they would be nothing but fringe wingnuts ridiculed by everyone.

      Follow the legal threats - Progressives always use the iron boot of the police state. There's no way they could impose their deeply unpopular puritanism without the violent coercive power of the state. Linus and perhaps other Linux leaders are probably being blackmailed with legal threats.

    Let's find our villain, so we know who is working so hard to destroy the Freedom in Free Software. #ResistTotalitarianism