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Hackers Stole Customer Credit Cards in Newegg Data Breach (techcrunch.com)

Newegg is clearing up its website after a month-long data breach. TechCrunch: Hackers injected 15 lines of card skimming code on the online retailer's payments page which remained for more than a month between August 14 and September 18, Yonathan Klijnsma, a threat researcher at RiskIQ, told TechCrunch. The code siphoned off credit card data from unsuspecting customers to a server controlled by the hackers with a similar domain name -- likely to avoid detection. The server even used an HTTPS certificate to blend in. The code also worked for both desktop and mobile customers -- though it's unclear if mobile customers are affected.

The online electronics retailer removed the code on Tuesday after it was contacted by incident response firm Volexity, which first discovered the card skimming malware and reported its findings. Newegg is one of the largest retailers in the US, making $2.65 billion in revenue in 2016. The company touts more than 45 million monthly unique visitors, but it's not known precisely how many customers completed transactions during the period.

149 comments

  1. guess they have egg on their faces by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    lol

    1. Re:guess they have egg on their faces by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NewEgg must have had their own PCI environment.

      Pros of having your own PCI environment: No third party iframe you'd have to force people through in order to process their credit card numbers. If you're a shady company and do recurring billing, storing the CC number can help you charge the card again in some ways that tokenization doesn't allow you to do.

      Cons of having your own PCI environment: You literally "own" all of the CC data on your servers. If/when you get hacked, ALL THE INFO IS EXPOSED. If you outsourced tokenization to another company, when you get hacked, they just shut down all of your tokens. You still look really really bad PR wise either way. It's just a matter of if you screw over millions of people because of your incompetence, or if it's a controlled explosion.

      Basically: do you attempt to put on your own big-boy pants and have 100% security yourself, or do you outsource the function to a company that operates like a bank already and can amortize lessons learned of hacking attempts.

  2. Only a month? by omnichad · · Score: 1

    The last step of checkout has been glitchy for over a year. Though I have been using a card on file and only had to enter my CVV code multiple times or gave up and used PayPal.

    1. Re:Only a month? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      The reason why he got away with it, was his hacked fixed the process while he was at it.

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    2. Re:Only a month? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does anyone know:

      1. if noscript would have prevented the javascript from running if it wasn't "allowed" through the noscript drop-down menu,
      2. if your card is on file, and you're only entering the cvv2 code, were you still compromised?

      CAP === 'nonempty'

    3. Re:Only a month? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Regard entering in a CVV multiple times...

      I had trouble updating card payment info on the Netflix site

      I only had to update the new expiration date and the CVV

      I tried many times, clearing the 5 digit date field ("MM/yy") and re-entering in the new date -- their page would auto-enter the "/" when needed -- the update would always fail, complaining that my CVV was incorrect

      After contacting Netflix and the bank, I tried an experiment based on what I learned from them... I deleted just the MM and yy from the new-date field, leaving the slash, and entered in the new date as well as the CVV in the other field -- it worked (for some reason, their code would send the previous date and new CVV to the bank for validation if a person clears the new-date field completely before entering in the new date

      I did tell a CSR and hopefully he does pass it on to a programmer;

      I wish I could get paid for my QA work...

    4. Re:Only a month? by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      It's sounding like NoScript, uMatrix, uBlock Origin with third-parties disabled, etc. may have prevented this attack for users. From what I've gathered, the attack revolved around inserting malicious code into a first-party script so that the page would transmit user information to servers under the attacker's control as the user entered it. Since the malicious code was running client-side and was phoning home to a third-party server, I believe those extensions should have been capable of preventing the malicious code from phoning home.

      I'm certainly hoping that's the case, given that I was running one of those extensions, had it configured to block third-parties by default, and bought items from Newegg during that time period...

    5. Re:Only a month? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Nothing worse than broken validation that doesn't expect you to copy/paste, insert in the middle of existing text, or hit backspace (or tab).

    6. Re:Only a month? by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      You still shop at newegg?

      I use the place to lookup stuff because Amazons categorization/features in computers is garbage but I don't buy anything there, they are never ever cheaper than Amazon anymore. I don't think I've bought anything from them since 2010.

    7. Re:Only a month? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Mostly Samsung EVO 850/860 sales. Amazon isn't always cheaper, though. They have consistent low prices, but the only "sales" they have is sometimes silently matching other people's sale prices.

    8. Re:Only a month? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, the only newegg "things" I have white-listed in noscript are
      newegg.com and neweggimages.com. Sometimes I temp enable
      some things (for other sites), but not when I place an order.

      CAP === 'dazzled'

    9. Re:Only a month? by PoopMonkey · · Score: 1

      I can occasionally find things cheaper on NewEgg. HGST drives tend to always be cheaper on NewEgg, plus I don't have to pay sales tax through NewEgg.

  3. PKI Failing Again by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

    It had one job to do.

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    1. Re:PKI Failing Again by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      I never saw the need for all the checking to make sure your keys are from a valid Certificating agency?
      Just as long as you pay you get the Cert. They are not doing what they really suppose to be doing validating your identity, and validity of the request. So if you buy a cert for newagg.com they should stop and realize that it is close to a popular newegg.com and should dig further to insure what they are doing is what they say they are and it legit.
      If you are paying hundreds of bucks then they should do more then run a simple script to give you a key.

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    2. Re:PKI Failing Again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And look at it from the user's point of view: you have this one assurance that they're Newegg. One. And you know jack shit about the party who is doing the assuring. They might just be automatically signing anyone and everyone who pays them (oops, that's apparently what happened).

      We should upgrade HTTPS to use OpenPGP so that identities can be properly certified. Nobody that you haven't ever met, can possibly be more than "moderately trusted." Just loaded newegg's site right now; who the fuck is Digicert? No idea. Why would they be 100% trusted by my client? That doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. Even 25 years ago we knew that couldn't possibly ever work.

  4. Use PayPal or similar. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hosted payment services that redirect you to another domain, e.g. PayPal are much more resistant to scraping. This is obviously a problem that can not be left to individual sites to handle.

    1. Re:Use PayPal or similar. by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Came here to see if Paypal payments would be affected, I ordered stuff from them just a couple weeks ago using Paypal as the payment method (to work around Newegg's billing address restrictions).

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    2. Re:Use PayPal or similar. by azcoyote · · Score: 1

      I'm no authority, but as far as I can tell PayPal should be unaffected. It sounds like data was scooped off the front-end of the web site, i.e., from filling out the forms. But PayPal does not fill out forms; it sends data directly. So it should not be affected.

      I am guessing also that my card number was not stolen since I used a saved number, rather than entering it in. However, Newegg always has you retype the CVV code, so that was definitely stolen in my case.

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    3. Re:Use PayPal or similar. by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      I'm no authority, but as far as I can tell PayPal should be unaffected. It sounds like data was scooped off the front-end of the web site, i.e., from filling out the forms. But PayPal does not fill out forms; it sends data directly. So it should not be affected.

      I am guessing also that my card number was not stolen since I used a saved number, rather than entering it in. However, Newegg always has you retype the CVV code, so that was definitely stolen in my case.

      I always use paypal when I can- partially for this reason. I hate when sites won't take paypal.

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    4. Re:Use PayPal or similar. by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      I'd actually suggest that the better way to handle payments is to reduce the value of the information transferred, namely, have the buyer's device generate a single-use token that can only be redeemed by the seller and can only be redeemed for the amount of the transaction(s). No credit card number that can be reused dozens of times. No PIN or security code. No home address. No name. Just a token that's useless once the transaction completes.

      Apple Pay and other systems already do this transparently whether you use them in-person or online, which is great, since it both limits the scope of the damage (the most you could even possibly be on the hook for is that one transaction) and prevents a number of attacks from being possible in the first place (e.g. even if someone managed to scrape the token, they couldn't do anything with it).

      There are still attacks that can be done against such systems, but most of them would revolve around replacing the seller's ID with your own in their system, thus redirecting the buyer's funds to your account. Doing so would reveal your hack immediately, however, since sellers tend to notice pretty quickly when they aren't getting paid.

      And, as I said, Apple Pay isn't the only one doing this. In much the same way that some of us have used services that provide throwaway e-mail addresses to sign up for sites, there are "credit card" services that provide single-use credit card numbers that are only authorized for the amount of a given transaction. You can generate a one-off credit card number about as easily as you might fill in your password for a site from a password manager. They still have your other information attached, but they're a step in the right direction.

  5. My current rating for NewEgg is... by nwaack · · Score: 2

    ...one gold egg. Seriously, it was there for A MONTH and nobody noticed? Might be time to switch to a different site for my computer parts.

    1. Re:My current rating for NewEgg is... by EvilSS · · Score: 2

      Newegg hasn't been the same since they got bought out a couple years ago. Shame really.

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    2. Re:My current rating for NewEgg is... by olsmeister · · Score: 0

      My guess is Amazon inserted the skimming code.

    3. Re:My current rating for NewEgg is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Was that when they stopped being price competitive with freaking brick and mortar mom and pop stores? Or when they started cleverly listing junk from seedy third parties?

      NewEgg turned to shit long ago, and has been sliding further ever since.

    4. Re:My current rating for NewEgg is... by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      Between selling random non-electronics related junk and 3rd party sellers; it has become just another Amazon wannabe.

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    5. Re:My current rating for NewEgg is... by Hylandr · · Score: 0

      Does anyone remember when they were EggHead Software and were a brick and mortar company?

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    6. Re:My current rating for NewEgg is... by jwhyche · · Score: 3

      Now they are trying to be like Amazon and sell anything and every thing. Newegg used to be my 'go to' place for computer parts, but now I do more shopping around. I liked it better when newegg was computer part store. But the recommendation AI was a source of entertainment when they changed. "Hey we see you just bought 4, 3TB HD for a nas, wouldn't you like to buy this chain saw to go with it?"

      Back on topic. This kind of explains the porn ransomware email I got a few weeks back. I changed my phone number to my new number on newegg and less than 24 hours later I got a scam email saying they had video's of me watching porn on my phone. And unless i coughed up a bucket of shekels they were going to sent it to everyone on my contact list. Newegg was the only place that had my email address and new phone number. The new phone number was listed in the email.

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    7. Re:My current rating for NewEgg is... by stevenvi · · Score: 1

      I remember Egghead Software, and always wondered if they were related to NewEgg -- though didn't wonder enough to check the Wikipedia page or anything. :-p

    8. Re:My current rating for NewEgg is... by kackle · · Score: 1

      Yes; I bought a C compiler there - Watcom's (now free), after I read it was used to create Doom and I wanted to learn more about C. This was in the late 1990s, and I think I paid ~ $100. This was back when you could buy the Netscape web browser in a box off the shelf at Best Buy for $40ish!

    9. Re:My current rating for NewEgg is... by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      I bought my first SoundBlaster card there. :)

      So much a different time back then.

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    10. Re:My current rating for NewEgg is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CSB
      Also, can I check out that video??

    11. Re:My current rating for NewEgg is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one calls them "gold eggs" you dumbass.

    12. Re:My current rating for NewEgg is... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Does anyone remember when they were EggHead Software and were a brick and mortar company?

      IIRC the very first time my credit card number ever got stolen was when somebody broke into EggHead's systems. I believe that was the 2000 data breach which is mentioned in the Wikipedia article on the company.

      However you're incorrect in tying the two companies together. From Wikipedia's NewEgg article:

      The company has no relation to the Egghead Software chain that was active from 1984 to 2001 .

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    13. Re:My current rating for NewEgg is... by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Does anyone remember when they were EggHead Software and were a brick and mortar company?

      No, there is no relation between NewEgg (2000-present) and Egghead Software (1984-2001).

      Two separate companies and fromw hat I can tell, Egghead died out in the late 80s or mid-90s or so. Lots of memories of visiting them though to get new stuff.

      Stuff in baggies was always fun!

    14. Re:My current rating for NewEgg is... by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      Curious.

      I had always associated the two since one shriveled up about the time the other started.

      My bad. Thanks for pointing that out.

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    15. Re:My current rating for NewEgg is... by hawk · · Score: 1

      There is no *corporate* relationship.

      The folks who built and sold Egghead later created NewEgg (and i guess that that's been sold, too, now)

      hawk

    16. Re:My current rating for NewEgg is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now they are trying to be like Amazon and sell anything and every thing. Newegg used to be my 'go to' place for computer parts, but now I do more shopping around. I liked it better when newegg was computer part store. But the recommendation AI was a source of entertainment when they changed. "Hey we see you just bought 4, 3TB HD for a nas, wouldn't you like to buy this chain saw to go with it?"

      Back on topic. This kind of explains the porn ransomware email I got a few weeks back. I changed my phone number to my new number on newegg and less than 24 hours later I got a scam email saying they had video's of me watching porn on my phone. And unless i coughed up a bucket of shekels they were going to sent it to everyone on my contact list. Newegg was the only place that had my email address and new phone number. The new phone number was listed in the email.

      Was it at least good porn?

    17. Re:My current rating for NewEgg is... by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      They said it was good porn, that "i have really good tastes." I would like to know what I was watching too. I let everyone on my contact list let me know when the black mail video shows up. So far it has been 2 weeks. Still waiting.

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    18. Re:My current rating for NewEgg is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the "ransom" only had the last 2 digits of your phone number with the rest obfuscated, it probably came from a brute force scraping of some site's forgotten password page (probably GMail's) - most of them offer to send a text to your phone and obfuscate all but the last two numbers.

      If it had your WHOLE number (and I haven't seen a ransom that does), that could tie it to the Newegg compromise.

      Having said that, I wonder if this attack was more than just skimming Newegg's front-end, as I haven't bought from them in over a year but have quite a history and record-set there myself, and I've seen a huge increase in attempted attacks against my online accounts in the last three months or so.

      Anyway, out of curiosity, was the ransom at GMail and was the phone number mostly obfuscated?

    19. Re:My current rating for NewEgg is... by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      My guess is Amazon inserted the skimming code.

      Intersting theory...
      I would mot be much surprised to find that true.

    20. Re:My current rating for NewEgg is... by ncc74656 · · Score: 1

      This kind of explains the porn ransomware email I got a few weeks back. I changed my phone number to my new number on newegg and less than 24 hours later I got a scam email saying they had video's of me watching porn on my phone. And unless i coughed up a bucket of shekels they were going to sent it to everyone on my contact list.

      I received one of those, and another one that said they had records of me browsing some pr0n site...never mind that I don't visit websites for pr0n. At least it was a solid indication that they're basically bullshit artists looking to con the gullible. After all, if they're going to lie about your browsing habits, what are the odds they'll be any more truthful about their claims to have pwned your phone?

      A couple months back, some other scammers threatened to DDoS my website if I didn't fork over some ever-increasing amount of Bitcoin. I suspected it was an idle threat. I notified my VPS provider on the off-chance that it wasn't, but the deadline came and went with not so much as an upward blip in traffic.

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    21. Re:My current rating for NewEgg is... by stevenvi · · Score: 1

      Actually, now that I actually did look at the Wikipedia articles, it seems there is no relation between the two.

      The company has no relation to the Egghead Software chain that was active from 1984 to 2001.

      The reference for this claim is a dead link, however.

    22. Re:My current rating for NewEgg is... by Chissblue · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah. It's where I purchased 'Internet In a Box' kit for my 386 pre-pentium pc.

    23. Re:My current rating for NewEgg is... by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      ...one gold egg. Seriously, it was there for A MONTH and nobody noticed? Might be time to switch to a different site for my computer parts.

      Time to apply for a replacement card with new CCD or whatever.

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  6. Good thing newegg doesn't have anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good thing newegg doesn't have anything worth buying or this could have been a serious problem.

    1. Re:Good thing newegg doesn't have anything by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      I really don't get the point of your post. New Egg sells computer and computer components. In today's economy a lot of it would be hard to find at a store, or you will need to buy it from a bunch of sources. Sure most of New Egg you can probably get at Amazon.
      Do you just hate everything. As you type AC Posts on a hand me down Pentium?

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    2. Re:Good thing newegg doesn't have anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're pimping NE too hard bitch. Pay ya good? Get yo hand outa yo genes and get-a-job.

  7. Not a problem with Bitcoin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I always pay with Bitcoin when buying from Newegg, so I'm not affected by these skimming attacks.

    1. Re:Not a problem with Bitcoin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and you're the one born this minute.

  8. Using stored credentials would've been safer... by mi · · Score: 1

    The usual advice is to not let the merchant store your credit card credentials — so they would not be stolen when the company's DB is.

    This time, however, the people keeping their cards "on file" with Newegg were safe, whereas those, who entered the credentials anew, weren't...

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    1. Re:Using stored credentials would've been safer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Legit merchants who store payment info are only storing a token. If the DB is stolen, the most that could happen is someone using the token to make purchases through the hacked merchant. Much less likely.

  9. Certificate? by AlanObject · · Score: 1

    So the bad guys got a 3rd party certificate? Last time I got one (Codomo I think) for my mail server they actually verified my identity by phone in order to actually issue the certificate for me.

    Is that not routine now? How could the bad guys not be traced if they want so far as to buy a cert?

    1. Re:Certificate? by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      So the bad guys got a 3rd party certificate? Last time I got one (Codomo I think) for my mail server they actually verified my identity by phone in order to actually issue the certificate for me.

      Is that not routine now? How could the bad guys not be traced if they want so far as to buy a cert?

      They got a certificate for a "similar" domain.

      The code siphoned off credit card data from unsuspecting customers to a server controlled by the hackers with a similar domain name -- likely to avoid detection.

      Could have used Let's Encrypt.

    2. Re:Certificate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are plenty of vendors that don't require such verification. That kind of verification is more for the higher level certs, but you can get a basic cert with nothing more than proving you can place a file or DNS entry on the domain, and even get them for free (Let's Encrypt is huge now)

    3. Re:Certificate? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      That would be expensive. Why pay someone to make a phone call where you can have a script that will generate the Cert after the payment get processed. Nearly all profit.
      Besides the customer isn't the one getting screwed by getting a Cert. It is just someone else who isn't a customer who will get affected.

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    4. Re:Certificate? by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

      ...Could have used Let's Encrypt....

      They could have used any of the cert providers that use the "do you own the domain" email verification. That includes most of the cert vendors for the low-security certs (including Comodo when I had used them).

    5. Re:Certificate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're probably thinking of an Extended Validation Certificate. Most consumers won't notice the difference, so all the money you spent on an EV SSL Cert is usually wasted. Also, people can set up fake companies, fake phone numbers, fake everything these days. EV SSL Certs have little extra value. You're just verifying if someone had to go through a few extra steps to set up a shell company. You're not verifying you're dealing with an ethical company.

  10. bad company, expected outcome. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    bad company, expected outcome.

    I had to charge-back them for an item they clearly messed up on and stopped responding to questions. I've never had to do a charge-back before or since from anyone. frequent repeat-customer of 15-years, never had to return anything to these guys before.

    1. Re:bad company, expected outcome. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      This is what I read:
      New Egg they messed up on one of your order. You were a jerk to them, so they had stopped feeding your trolling.

      The phrase the Customer is Always Right, is just that a Phrase, not a rule. It isn't an excuse to be abusive to a company or an employee.

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    2. Re: bad company, expected outcome. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No..hes right. My mom ordered a couple of xbox controllers for my kids. We got them and they couldn't be more fake.

      Newegg refused to return them. Actually refused to discuss it beyond the canned response.

      Good luck dealing with them should you need to return something. They are only good to rip the consumer off. Been that way for a few years now.

    3. Re:bad company, expected outcome. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If he hadn't posted anonymously, your post might be considered libel.

      Also:

      "The world isn't a nice place.
      But why do you try so hard to keep it a not nice place.
      Being a jerk to others isn't tough love, and places where people donate their time and talents shouldn't be a war zone where their existence is argued.

      A Meek individual may be more then able to explain their idea in an open public forum. However if you push too hard, people will just not be part of the group and go elsewhere. Say Apple or Microsoft."

      Your words, not mine.

    4. Re:bad company, expected outcome. by jwhyche · · Score: 3

      I've had newegg mess up a few of my orders. Every time they practically tripped all over themselves to make it right. I can complain about a few things from newegg, but my experience with their customer service isn't one of them.

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    5. Re:bad company, expected outcome. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Why would it be considered Libel?
      I am not saying He is that or did that, I just interpreted his comment to have that meaning.

      I would be Libel if I would to say Don't sell stuff to this guy, because he is a bad customer.

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    6. Re:bad company, expected outcome. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ordered anything from them in the last few years? They have changed. I have had to use their customer service a number of times over the years. The last one was a pain in my ass.

    7. Re: bad company, expected outcome. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      I havn't use New Egg in over a decade.
      But the Grandmother getting the kids the cheap ripoff is almost a trope.
      But hey I am going to keep my Genuine Cook-e-man cards, they are going to be worth so much in the future.

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    8. Re:bad company, expected outcome. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their website wouldnt let me return an unopened CPU.

      Their customer service said I could return it, but by that time I had already opened it.

      Feels like they've gotten big and a bit lazy.

      I shop elsewhere now.

    9. Re:bad company, expected outcome. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A qualified statement of fact can still be considered libel. Just tacking "I think" on the beginning doesn't change anything. Being a jerk is an opinion, so you would have to hope accusing him of trolling was also considered an opinion.

      For calling him a jerk and accusing him of trolling with no basis other than his four sentence post, I am calling you a jerk.

    10. Re:bad company, expected outcome. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Care to elaborate on your experience?

      I wasn't as impressed myself with my most recent interaction with them. A few months ago, I had ordered a laptop. Before it even shipped, the price dropped by about $50. I used their customer support chat and was able to get a voucher for the difference that would expire after 90 days. It was a nice gesture, but I could have just cancelled the purchase altogether and re-ordered at the lower price and not had to deal with the voucher. If I weren't intending to buy another stick of RAM after the item arrived (to make sure I paired it correctly) I likely would not have been pleased with the outcome.

  11. Thank you HTTPS zealots by Lije+Baley · · Score: 2, Funny

    I sleep better knowing that HTTPS has made us all safe from teh hax0rs.

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    1. Re:Thank you HTTPS zealots by willaien · · Score: 2

      HTTPS did its job. There was no interception of data between the server and the client. Can't do shit if the server is compromised.

    2. Re:Thank you HTTPS zealots by Lije+Baley · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yes, but you are thinking of the classic job of https, not the new and bogus "https means it's legit, everything should be https" line of thinking, re Google.

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      Strange things are afoot at the Circle-K.
    3. Re:Thank you HTTPS zealots by willaien · · Score: 1

      I mean, it kinda did serve that purpose as well. The lock in the page did correctly state that:
      1) The page you've been served is indeed from newegg.com, and
      2) No data transmitted to or from you will be visible to any man in the middle.

      No amount of transportation security can stop a compromised server from serving incorrect content or siphoning off data itself.

    4. Re:Thank you HTTPS zealots by Lije+Baley · · Score: 1

      Car analogy time: A friend of mine decides to drive into a bad neighborhood to go to a certain store, so I give him an HTTPS charm to hang from his rear view mirror. I promise that it will protect him while he's driving to the store. So he drives safely there, parks nearby, and gets mugged going into the store. The charm did its job of preventing the (less likely) loss of his wallet while driving, but nothing to prevent the (far more likely) theft once he has arrived.

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      Strange things are afoot at the Circle-K.
    5. Re:Thank you HTTPS zealots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      new and bogus "https means it's legit, everything should be https"

      That's not the thinking, despite a lot of people misrepresenting it that way.

      The thinking is that HTTP means it's potentially illegitimate. That is not the same thing as the statement you are attributing to others.

    6. Re:Thank you HTTPS zealots by Lije+Baley · · Score: 1

      What does HTTPS mean then? That it is potentially legitimate? So I guess a half-full glass really is better than a half-empty one...

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      Strange things are afoot at the Circle-K.
    7. Re:Thank you HTTPS zealots by QuietLagoon · · Score: 2

      I sleep better knowing that HTTPS has made us all safe from teh hax0rs.

      If that is what you think the purpose of https is, then you really should not be sleeping better, you should be learning more about https.

    8. Re:Thank you HTTPS zealots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes, but you are thinking of the classic job of https, not the new and bogus "https means it's legit, everything should be https" line of thinking, re Google.

      Classic absurd argument that if something doesn't stop everything, including things it has no role in, it shouldn't be used. There's no reason NOT to use https but it's not some magic bullet that keeps everything, everywhere safe.

    9. Re:Thank you HTTPS zealots by willaien · · Score: 1

      Except in your analogy, you ignore that the point of https is to prevent _man in the middle attacks_, like say, you connecting to wifi at a starbucks with a compromised router (or think you're connecting to starbucks wifi, but you're really connected to Jim Bob's router). It also hides your traffic from your ISP, which prevents them from snooping your traffic to inject ads (real issue with some ISPs) or sell your clickstream data (they can only sell what ips you connected to).

    10. Re:Thank you HTTPS zealots by willaien · · Score: 1

      HTTPS just means that the server you've connected to is probably the real server associated with that domain name, and that an actor without the private key of the server you're connecting to cannot read what's being sent either way, nor tamper with it.

    11. Re:Thank you HTTPS zealots by Lije+Baley · · Score: 1

      Classic reading comprehension failure. I am making no such argument.

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      Strange things are afoot at the Circle-K.
    12. Re:Thank you HTTPS zealots by slack_justyb · · Score: 1

      not the new and bogus "https means it's legit, everything should be https" line of thinking, re Google

      That's not even the thought process from Google. Here is the proposal from way back when. Relevant section:

      We all need data communication on the web to be secure (private, authenticated, untampered). When there is no data security, the UA should explicitly display that, so users can make informed decisions about how to interact with an origin. Roughly speaking, there are three basic transport layer security states for web origins: Secure (valid HTTPS, other origins like (*, localhost, *)); Dubious (valid HTTPS but with mixed passive resources, valid HTTPS with minor TLS errors); and Non-secure (broken HTTPS, HTTP).

      Emphasis mine. And if you are wondering about the wording there, the exact definition can be found on the W3 site here. Which says if you trust the site then you can be assured that the information you transmit to the site has done so securely, that you can trust that they received the information that you sent them.

      At no point can any standards body or web vendor indicate how compromised or fully functioning the host you are sending your data to is. At no point has any web browser maker (Apple, Google, Microsoft, Mozilla, et al) indicated that "Secure Host" == "Non Compromised Host". They have only indicated transmission "Secure Transmission to host" == "Non Compromised Transmission to host". What the host does with it, be it to send your data to some gulag in Siberia, to your bank for processing, or both is completely dependent on the remote host.

    13. Re:Thank you HTTPS zealots by Lije+Baley · · Score: 1

      And now you are back to talking about HTTPS "job 1" which I am not arguing against.
      The point of the analogy was to illustrate these ideas:
      a) HTTPS does "job 1" just fine, though the actual threat for most people in that area is low (at least in a relative sense),
      and b) HTTPS does not play a role in the area that is a larger actual threat -- on the server side.
      The ultimate point being that the push to require HTTPS for everything is a "priority inversion" and gives non-technical internet uses a false sense of security, at least the ones still not completely numb from security fatigue.
      Also I just really wanted to make a car analogy.

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      Strange things are afoot at the Circle-K.
    14. Re:Thank you HTTPS zealots by Lije+Baley · · Score: 1

      You and I understand these distinctions, but the effect for the non-technical user, who the browser makers have labored to shelter and make as ignorant as possible (i.e. hiding URLs, protocols, etc.), is HTTP = bad, HTTPS = good. No website will want to be "bad", so they will all move to HTTPS, which is really not "just a good thing anyway" for the internet or the environment, if you think about the immense volume of traffic to which it would add the inefficiencies of (in some cases another layer of) encryption.

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      Strange things are afoot at the Circle-K.
    15. Re:Thank you HTTPS zealots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And now you are back to talking about HTTPS "job 1" which I am not arguing against.
      The point of the analogy was to illustrate these ideas:
      a) HTTPS does "job 1" just fine, though the actual threat for most people in that area is low (at least in a relative sense),
      and b) HTTPS does not play a role in the area that is a larger actual threat -- on the server side.
      The ultimate point being that the push to require HTTPS for everything is a "priority inversion" and gives non-technical internet uses a false sense of security, at least the ones still not completely numb from security fatigue.
      Also I just really wanted to make a car analogy.

      Well Jesus moron, it's not supposed to!

      The S in HTTPS implies the data was transmitted securely. Which it was. Once it gets to either endpoint either person could do whatever they want with it.

      What you are saying is akin to being upset at your mom because you send her a letter and then she shared it with anyone. Yeah, the USPS made sure your letter wasn't read in transit, but once it got to its destination the recipient can do whatever they please with it.

      This is what is supposed to happen. The fact that you think HTTPS should somehow imply more is the same thought as thinking that USPS should do more to prevent recipients from sharing their letters.

    16. Re:Thank you HTTPS zealots by Lije+Baley · · Score: 1

      While I kind of like the ring of being called "Jesus moron", you really should read threads carefully and from the top down. If you had you could have saved yourself a bunch of typing and excitement.

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      Strange things are afoot at the Circle-K.
  12. I'm laughing so hard my sides ache by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    "Paying electronically is safer, Rick, you shouldn't use cash for anything, you'll just get mugged!", they said. "It's all secured with encrytion, nothing to worry about!", they said

    What's next, you going to tell me the Equifax breach was 'fake news' and never happened?

    "Oh, well, I don't buy things from Newegg so I feel perfectly safe!", they say to you

    Seriously, folks, when is enough going to be enough for you all? It's objectively clear that electronic payment systems, regardless of whose they are, are not anything even close to secure. Leave the plastic at home (or at least leave it in your wallet), pay cash for things in person, and look for some way to at least limit your exposure to the overwhelming risk of paying electronically for anything, anywhere, ever. Do it starting TODAY. Plan on doing it for a long time to come, because these mentally challenged primates who run these systems apparently can't keep all the holes plugged.

    1. Re:I'm laughing so hard my sides ache by plague911 · · Score: 1

      Nonsense. Cutting yourself off from the civilized world is not a solution. The time/cost efficient solution is use something like credit karma and a credit card with fraud protection. Check your bill every month or two and you are fine. Sure your data may get stolen every few years, but the credit card company will eat the cost and you'll be fine.

    2. Re:I'm laughing so hard my sides ache by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      And we can take our horse-and-buggy down to the open air market to buy all of our locally produced goods.

      --
      I'm a good cook. I'm a fantastic eater. - Steven Brust
    3. Re:I'm laughing so hard my sides ache by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      He thinks I've 'cut myself off from the civilized world'
      You're hilarious; what are you smoking to actually think that? I've been on cash for TWO YEARS and it hasn't 'cut me off' from ANYTHING. Get real and stop trading your actual security for mere 'convenience' and maybe your identity won't get stolen and bank accounts drained.

    4. Re:I'm laughing so hard my sides ache by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 0

      Wrong! I drive my Toyota Tacoma down to the open-air market to buy locally-produced goods -- because I support the LOCAL economy, being the good citizen and neighbor that I am. Why aren't you?
      He thinks you can't POSSIBLY live a 'modern' life without using plastic for everything, LOL!
      Think again.

    5. Re:I'm laughing so hard my sides ache by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The technology to fix this exists, people just aren't using it.

      Some credit cards allow temporary card numbers with a spending limit. That is currently a nuisance to use, but could keep the hackers from getting any of your money at all even if you paid Newegg with a credit card during the hack.

      The chip on the credit cards could be used to secure online purchases in exactly the same way as brick and mortar, all that's needed is a card reader and some software. On phones and tablets the reader might not be practical unless the card supported Near-Field Communication (NFC).

    6. Re:I'm laughing so hard my sides ache by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      My bank doesn't do any of that, so I'll just continue using cash like I have for the past 2 years and NGAF about any of that until the rest of the world gets it's head out of it's collective ass and starts giving a damn about actual data security when it comes to people's money and private data -- which means I'll be paying cash until I drop dead of old age. Nobody really cares so long as they're making money themselves. We're just peons/plebians, The Rich DGAF about what happens to us or our worthless little lives, their shit is all secured and protected to the Nth degree, so why should they care? Guess I have to take control of the situation where it concerns me -- which is exactly what I've been doing. Also has the nice side-benefit of making balancing my checkbook take all of 5 minutes every month, and I never have to worry about a bunch of receipts in my wallet to enter into the spreadsheet. Guess the rest of the sheep can continue with their 'conveniences' and the cumulative risk of having their banking information stolen every time they do, and when their bank accounts are drained, credit cards charged to the max, and identity stolen, they'll go cry to Congress about it -- who will do precisely dick, because (as outlined above) they DGAF, their shit is already secure, why should they care about us? Corporations and profits, not citizens' lives.

    7. Re:I'm laughing so hard my sides ache by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you pay with cash for most things, your card statement will have fewer transactions and therefore it should be easier to catch problems. Paying for non-reoccurring things in person with cash can be a annoying at first, but it rapidly becomes automatic. If you must occasionally use a card, have a dedicated debit card not linked to any bank accounts for those situations.

      I consider myself a Privacy Extremest, which I define as "willing to accept significant inconvenience to prevent bulk collection of data about me or my activities", but understand most people simply don't care enough..

    8. Re:I'm laughing so hard my sides ache by Bruinwar · · Score: 1

      Good for you, use cash. I've considered returning to cash only a few times. However, I do get protections from my CC company that I've used before. Plus that 4-5% cash back. & damn I got 80000 frequent flier miles! I used 70000 miles on this year for a excellent vacation for my wife & I.

      So go ahead, I actually admire those that are able to only shop local on a cash only basis. It's just not for me. I pay for my credit protection service (not fucking LifeLock), & will pay attention. Rent cars as needed & buy stuff online that I can't get locally.

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      SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT
    9. Re:I'm laughing so hard my sides ache by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He thinks I've 'cut myself off from the civilized world'

      You're hilarious; what are you smoking to actually think that? I've been on cash for TWO YEARS and it hasn't 'cut me off' from ANYTHING. Get real and stop trading your actual security for mere 'convenience' and maybe your identity won't get stolen and bank accounts drained.

      How do you pay cash for Internet? Checks? Check fraud is a huge problem.

    10. Re:I'm laughing so hard my sides ache by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      You have to forgive Rick. I'm not sure he understands how the modern economy works. Even Farmer Brown down at my local farmers market takes plastic. Just slides it through his iphone and we are good. I think he can take samsung and apple pay too.

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      I read at +2. If your post doesn't reach that level I will not see or respond to it.
    11. Re:I'm laughing so hard my sides ache by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      He thinks he can buy everything locally therefore only ever needing cash.

      I can use italics to strawman people's arguments, too.

      Though I am not sure you don't believe this. Real question: how do you buy something that isn't sold at a local brick and mortar store?

      --
      I'm a good cook. I'm a fantastic eater. - Steven Brust
    12. Re:I'm laughing so hard my sides ache by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      I don't pay for things on the internet. /thread

    13. Re:I'm laughing so hard my sides ache by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Spoiler: I don't buy things on the internet anymore. :-)

    14. Re:I'm laughing so hard my sides ache by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      No, he is asking how you pay to get online in the first place. I suppose you could do prepaid phone cards from a store, but those get expensive if you are using them just for regular internet access.

      --
      I'm a good cook. I'm a fantastic eater. - Steven Brust
    15. Re:I'm laughing so hard my sides ache by Howitzer86 · · Score: 1

      Can't. Where I live, that'd limit my tech purchases to Bestbuy and Walmart.

    16. Re:I'm laughing so hard my sides ache by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      None of this matters. Everyone else just says "LOL there's no other possible way so we'll just keep doing the same things we've been doing and hope nothing bad happens LOL" which is pants-on-head stupid, at least I'm doing something to protect myself that isn't some useless feel-good nonsense.

    17. Re:I'm laughing so hard my sides ache by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You use the payment kiosk at the ISP. Are you talking about paying for things online? Buy yourself a prepaid card.

    18. Re:I'm laughing so hard my sides ache by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      Ok, nice attempt to change the subject, you didn't answer the question.

      --
      I'm a good cook. I'm a fantastic eater. - Steven Brust
    19. Re:I'm laughing so hard my sides ache by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      I pay CASH at payment stations for all my utilities and get a receipt. /subject

  13. What's to stop it from happening again? by mark-t · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The real breach is in that the attackers were somehow able to change the web page content to achieve this end. Do they know how the attackers accomplished this? If not, what's to stop it from reoccurring, even if not by the same people, when someone else figures it out?

    1. Re:What's to stop it from happening again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another post included links to two security firms who investigated this incident, neither mentioned how the server was compromised to place the code.

    2. Re:What's to stop it from happening again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      seems remarkably similar to the ba.com hack, including using a domain similar to the attacked one to send the details.

    3. Re:What's to stop it from happening again? by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Which itself is fine... there's no reason to disclose that information, but was it something they can mitigate, or is it only a matter of time before somebody else tries it?

    4. Re:What's to stop it from happening again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could be a seever breach. Could be SQLi into a CMS. Could be compromise of a 3rd party script.

      Sone kind of CMS or external script hack seems most likely for such a long running compromise. Those are areas where an unauthorized modification would be hard to spot.

    5. Re:What's to stop it from happening again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The reason to disclose it is so that others can close the hole or put a lid on it.

    6. Re:What's to stop it from happening again? by mark-t · · Score: 1

      That would only be applicable if they lacked the ability to prevent it. I was operating under the assumption that they did, and if that were the case, there would be no compelling reason to explain what was done to mitigate the problem from occurring in the future.

    7. Re:What's to stop it from happening again? by antdude · · Score: 1

      I noticed their careers page had a lot of web hirings the last 1.5 years. I wonder if this was related.

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      Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
  14. Newegg has been sucking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Newegg used to be great. I'm not sure what happened but its crap now. Overrun by poor vendors that are allowed to falsely advertise. This CC issue is just the latest reason not to use Newegg.

    1. Re: Newegg has been sucking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bought by a company in taiwan

  15. Never give out your card number to retailers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is why I always either use something like PayPal, Google Pay, Visa Check or similar when given the option, and when not given such an option I use Privacy virtual cards. Privacy gives you virtual debit card numbers so that you can use unique numbers for each retailer, and even allows for single use "burner" cards that close after one use. This, plus the ability to add spending limits on each card will either prevent or greatly reduce the possibility of any funds being taken by a hacker who skims the number. I use a different card for every site, and then burner cards for anything which I trust less. So far I've already blocked one unauthorized charge by setting a strict spending limit on one card (although this was from an shitty extra charge caused by the retailer rather than a hack, but it proves the feature works).

    Shameless referral links:
    https://cashback.privacy.com/sJS2wEHpZ
    https://privacy.com/join/JWVHW

  16. Who still uses newegg? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They aren't the same site they were a decade ago, loaded with 3rd party sellers peddling their dubious crap. If you are going to shop at newegg, you might as well just use eBay.

    Retail sites need to stop this 3rd party seller crap, we already have eBay for that. It does nothing but give the retailers like newegg, amazon, walmart a bad rap. Sooner or later they'll finally learn this.

    1. Re:Who still uses newegg? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no. they won't. people will still buy. cheap is better than secure. Make Sheep Great Again.

  17. Links to RiskIQ and Volexity reports by bosef1 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here are the links to the original RiskIQ and Volexity reports on the breach.

    RiskIQ: https://www.riskiq.com/blog/la...

    Volexity: https://www.volexity.com/blog/...

    They're conclusion is basically to get a new credit card number if you transacted with Newegg from 13 Aug through 18 Sep 2018.

    1. Re:Links to RiskIQ and Volexity reports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neither report identifies how the java script was placed on the server. What was compromised? What configuration was faulty?

    2. Re:Links to RiskIQ and Volexity reports by locopuyo · · Score: 1

      Has newegg said how that code got on their site?

    3. Re:Links to RiskIQ and Volexity reports by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

      Take a look at this analysis. It's for the similar attack on British Airways but it gives some more clues, such as corrupting a "standard, trusted 3rd party Javascript library" (like "modernizr"), and it also (through the path) suggests that there might be a vulnerable "CMS" on that machine (that could have let the hackers in).

      https://www.peerlyst.com/posts/inside-the-magecart-breach-of-british-airways-how-22-lines-of-code-claimed-380-000-victims-barrett-louie

    4. Re:Links to RiskIQ and Volexity reports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for pointing that out. Very interesting.

    5. Re:Links to RiskIQ and Volexity reports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a saved credit card, so only the CCV and last 4 digits would have been stolen (looking at the network traffic, it asterisks out the rest of the number before it gets to the browser).

      But credit card company is probably going to issue a new card number regardless, which will be annoying.

  18. Newegg alternatives? by cptnapalm · · Score: 1

    Having just bought some things, I'm concerned, of course. Not to mention, newegg isn't remotely as good as they once were. Hell, I bought something on eBay and he shipped it two days faster and will get to me a week earlier than a similar order from newegg.

    What are some good alternatives, outside of eBay and Amazon?

    1. Re:Newegg alternatives? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      B&H is good for a lot of what Newegg carries.

    2. Re:Newegg alternatives? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Newegg created the standard for online shopping that everyone still strives to achieve. In house photos from all sides, detailed descriptions, vendor links, reviews all in one place. - All critical stuff for PC part buyers. .. But a lot of other vendors have caught up. Amazon in particular. I've not purchased anything from Newegg in some time.

    3. Re:Newegg alternatives? by mangastudent · · Score: 1

      I have yet to regret a B&H purchase, have been using them for video and camera stuff since the 1990s. Just got a used Tamron lens from them, exactly as described (their 8+). Am even thinking of buying some SD cards from them because I just don't trust Amazon for that sort of thing any more. Only oddity is that it's run by Hasidic Jews, so they shut down except for web browsing during the Sabbath, no problem if you're patient.

      Walmart.com has great control over their supply chain, they're really strict about that, although I'm sure they get taken every once in a while. Newegg still seems to be OK for me, as long as in a search I click them as the only retailer, as far as I know they aren't sharing their logistics system with their 3rd parties like Amazon does, and their multifactor search for computer components is still very good.

      Now that the CreateSpace/Kindle part of Amazon is banning books wholesale, they've solidly lowered themselves to the bottom of my list of general Internet vendors given their massive and very hard to avoid counterfeit/commingling issues.

    4. Re:Newegg alternatives? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad the Jews that run B&H discriminate against gentiles, women and Hispanics. They have settled three employment discrimination lawsuits from the federal government in the last 20 years. You would think they would learn, but they never do.

    5. Re:Newegg alternatives? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Use https://pcpartpicker.com/ and http://www.pricewatch.com/ to find the lowest price for a given computer item.

  19. gift cards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a hard time using the New Egg gift cards -- maybe the hackers can improve the checkout page so they work correctly?

  20. You cannot stop hackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because they're hackers, you see. They can be anyone and do anything, they're the bogeyman of cyberspace. So any claim of "getting hacked" automatically means there was nothing you could have done to prevent it. This is why press releases or even news stories claiming "hackers!" are popular... and also not worth the read.

    Anyway, one dead simple way to prevent javascript injection would be to disable javascript in the browser. Notice how *cough* certain browsers *cough* make that very hard, very impracticable, or even just plain impossible. But not all do. Of course, that requires that such sites also function without javascript enabled, and most make that impracticable or even just plain impossible, for essentially no reason.

    Of course, that's not a complete fix: If the attackers managed to change what the original website served up they could change that to MITM the form submission, but at least there you could detect that suddenly every form from every customer gets sent from the MITM location, and hey what's up with that. Disabling javascript still cuts down on attack surface, since without javascript it's now harder to dynamically cross-load attack code from just any location, and so on. But anyway.

    So the problem is the widespread rot that makes such fertile grounds for attackers. Same with, oh, that desktop emulating software package of crap that likes to drop its pants, bend over, and shout "OH HEY I DROPPED THE SOAP AGAIN" at every opportunity. It's so common that a sane environment becomes almost impossible to envision for those who have never experienced anything but this insanity. Thus the blaming of the bogeyman. This says really bad things about the people involved, yes, well spotted dear reader.

  21. Masterpass by llZENll · · Score: 1

    What if I paid using masterpass?

    1. Re:Masterpass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, same here. I wonder if it makes a difference or not. One would think it may be more secure?

    2. Re: Masterpass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Masterpass, like similar digital wallets, generally tokenizes your card number to avoid exposing it to the merchant. You can read more about this in the publicly available marketing materials for Masterpass. Personal opinion: Based on the exploit code, I don't see how it could have affected Masterpass payments. I'm sure there will be better clarity once the dust settles and we all find out exactly what happened.

      Disclaimer: I am a Mastercard employee. This is my personal opinion only.

  22. I remember Newegg... *sigh* by gosand · · Score: 1

    Many years ago (1998ish mabye?) I found out about Newegg and ordered a couple of sticks of RAM from them. They shipped me double what I ordered, and charged me for it. It was a nightmare to get my money refunded even AFTER I shipped back two sticks on my dime. It was such a bad experience that I swore I would never order from them again.

    Fast forward a few years and I decided to give them another chance, and wow had they changed! They were my gold-standard for internet shopping experience. Fast, often free, shipping, perfect amount of communication and tracking, best prices, feature-rich search options, and fantastic review system.

    Needless to say, I haven't bought anything from them for a few years now. It was caused by ordering something that I didn't realize was shipping directly from China. I still go to their site to find items and sometimes read the reviews, but I can now shop around once I find the item I want. Their reviews are still better than Amazon's, but Newegg just isn't close to what it used to be.

    --

    My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.

    1. Re: I remember Newegg... *sigh* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are now owned by a taiwanese company linked to China.

      I wouldn't expect it to get any better, noticed their shopping recommendations had all sorts of wacky 3rd party sellers from abroad, specifically taiwan and china.

      Time to move on if you are a US shopper..

  23. Newegg press release? by wellard1981 · · Score: 2

    And when was Newegg going to inform their customers about this? Strange that we had to find out about this from a 3rd party news source. Does this only impact Newegg US, or other countries where Newegg does business affected too?

    1. Re:Newegg press release? by WoodstockJeff · · Score: 1

      NewEgg informed me via email before the story broke.

      It was the first time I'd purchased through NewEgg in a long time.

      An hour later, the information that may or may not have been stolen (I don't show net traffic to that domain) was invalid, so it's minimal impact to me.

    2. Re:Newegg press release? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bought something from Newegg during the time period using a credit card, but didn't get any emails.

    3. Re:Newegg press release? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ditto. I saw this story earlier today and figured I'd get my email eventually, but it still hasn't come through. Since my card was stored, I guess the skimmer would not actually have obtained more than my CVV.

      I understand from a PR perspective of not wanting to draw attention to it -- especially to people who were definitely not affected -- but it feels worse that I had to hear it from someone else instead.

    4. Re:Newegg press release? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bought something from Newegg during the time period using a credit card, but didn't get any emails.

      Ditto.

      No notifications sent to me by Newegg.

      My credit card company caught something strange about my card usage. They asked me about other transactions I did and did not make. Once we sorted out the fraudulent purchases from my real ones they processed the replacement card request promptly BY NEXT DAY DELIVERY SERVICE.

  24. Was IT sleeping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it possible to have oh, let's say New Egg, encrypt each and every customers account separately or would that be difficult.

  25. Surprise Plot Twist by WoodburyMan · · Score: 0

    I stopped using NewEgg over 9mo ago. So at least I'm not affected.

    As a Connecticut resident who got screwed over by NewEgg releasing false data to the State of Connecticut, when they were also NOT legally obligated to I stopped using them. Ex our tax friendly state in it's endless quest to absolutely ruin any resident of the state and tax them to death decided to purse gathering Sales Tax / "Use Tax" data from NewEgg back around January 2018. They had done this to other sites and online merchants on their quest to collect money. They would petition the vendor with a legally scary letter, telling them to hand over all purchase history for the last 5 years for every Connecticut resident over to the Connecticut Department of Revenue Services, our tax office essentially. Most told them to go pound sand as there was no legal authority for them to do this or request this information from the online vendors and CT couldn't do anything about it.

    NewEgg. NewEgg, they just handed the data over. The state then had my ENTIRE purchase history. They did this WITHOUT any consumer notification. It was only AFTER the CT DRS processed the data and sent out Use Tax bills to NewEgg customers did they fess up on releasing the data. This wouldn't be a problem, as technically the Use Tax is owed, however the way they collected the data was flat out illegal. Both from a consumer protection and legal point of view. The bigger issue though THEY ABSOLUTELY messed up the data dumps. For example, 2014 I had made several thousand of dollars of purchases. ONE was made on my account, with a friend's credit card. He got a bill from the CT DRS for my entire 2014 purchase history. Then the data I got for 2016 owed taxes included items that I had used out of state friends credit cards for, and had shipped to them. No use tax was owed. Yet I had the bill. The CT DRS being the CT DRS left you no legal way to challenge this. You could call the number, and talk to someone (which me and several friends tried) who essentially told you to just pay it over and over despite it being wrong and incorrect data. In the end I paid it because it was only a few hundred dollar discrepancy and the consequences and repercussions of having a Tax Bill paid late were too large and would have made a bigger hole to crawl out of given how uncooperative the state was. I still blame NewEgg for giving them data.

    Anyway, anyone who still uses NewEgg should have already known how NewEgg cares not the slightest about their customers privacy or information. It's absolutely NO surprise to me this happened, and is only further proof to drop them and not order from them again.

  26. no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    prepaid card you put cash on and then its zero...toss into trash

  27. Taking advantage of all the CRAP by WoodstockJeff · · Score: 1

    Big companies and small companies alike are addicted to WEBSTATS. It's hard to find a page out there that doesn't have 14 bits of Javascript code dedicated to giving better, targeted advertising and "customer service experience", so people would hardly be suspicious of code that sends information to "neweggstats.com".

    There are HSTS headers that can be put on HTTPS pages to make sure the browser doesn't fall for this sort of thing, but using them tells the browser not to talk to those precious stat servers... so the stat-addicts won't.

    1. Re:Taking advantage of all the CRAP by txsable · · Score: 1

      One of us is misunderstanding what HSTS is for. From my reading, it appears that this helps mitigate man-in-the-middle protocol downgrade attacks and cookie hijacking, but it would not do a thing to prevent a browser from accessing a third-party or spoofed site with a valid certificate. Am I misunderstanding this?

  28. This is one of the advantages of crypto currencies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People bitch, but the truth is significant losses are happening as a result of this shitty payment solution.

  29. Well of course! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Security is never a priority over sales. The rhetorical question is, "I wonder what their security budget is or staffing?" Answer: Probably next to nothing. Until C Levels face jail time for negligence ergo not doing anything this will continue. Note I didn't say a breach. No one can be completely secure, however, what I am talking about here is doing nothing or next to nothing. Then they should serve time.