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Despite Data Caps and Throttling, Industry Says Mobile Can Replace Home Internet (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: AT&T and Verizon are trying to convince the Federal Communications Commission that mobile broadband is good enough for Internet users who don't have access to fiber or cable services. The carriers made this claim despite the data usage and speed limitations of mobile services. In the mobile market, even "unlimited" plans can be throttled to unusable speeds after a customer uses just 25GB or so a month. Mobile carriers impose even stricter limits on phone hotspots, making it difficult to use mobile services across multiple devices in the home. The carriers ignored those limits in filings they submitted for the FCC's annual review of broadband deployment.

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  1. Not even trying by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The big telecoms monopolies aren't even trying, now that they've pwned the FCC.

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  2. Exactly as planned by GrumpySteen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You didn't think the industry spent billions lobbying against net neutrality without expecting to make it all back, did you? They want everyone to be tied to wireless so that they can throttle, cap and otherwise limit their connections in order to force customers into more expensive plans.

    The goal is now and always has been to extract as much profit while providing the bare minimum service that they can get away with.

  3. Dunno about that. by i.r.id10t · · Score: 2

    I'm on 6mb DSL (768k up) and only got that recently after some fiber was run. Prior I could get 3mb DSL but I was on the edge of service for that, and S:N ratio kept me from having a decent connection - I'd loose connection every 5-10 minutes. So 1.5mb DSL.

    While my phone co (Windstream) has been making massive improvements in connectivity where I am (mostly rural, N Central Fl) I'm still on the edge of connectivity for my AT&T cell/data. As in, I may have 3g, or 4g. Or LTE. I may have one dot on connection meter, or two. Or mostly none. Depending on where I am in the house or what part of the "yard" (5 acres) I'm in.

    So no, when lack of density prevents cable or DSL from being available, you can't always depend on cellular - until AT&T et al start building more towers.

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    1. Re:Dunno about that. by Scarred+Intellect · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I feel your pain. I could either get 1.5mbps DSL, or fork over $75/mo for 5mbps/1.5mpbs fixed wireless. I opted for the fixed wireless. It could barely stream Netflix, which is about all my wife does at home (that's a lie, she does tons, I love you, honey!)

      When I moved to another county on the other side of the river, similar choices. This time I'm lucky that an enterprising neighbor about 15 years ago started his own ISP off a nearby fiber backbone. I now get anywhere from 25-90mbps up and down, with no restriction, for a solid $40/mo.

      He started this when he moved out for himself. Neighbors caught on, wanted in. He doesn't advertise, just maintains his little network. If you have the resources and know-how, look into it. Ask some neighbors if they'd be interested. His little network is more reliable than the larger commercial carriers around, though I have to ask to get access to some common ports, such as 80 and 443...

  4. Time for a Rural Electrification Act, Part Deux by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Back in the '30's, electricity wasn't to be had out in the sticks. Part of FDR's New Deal basically had the Feds pay for the wires to fix that.

    It could be done again, if we wanted to spend a metric fuckton of money doing so.

    Note, for those who want to blame a political Party for the failure to do so, it hasn't been done under Trump (R), nor was it done under Obama (D), nor Bush (R), nor Clinton (D). This has been a bipartisan "Yuck Foo" to the people who live out in the boonies (probably mostly because there aren't enough of them to matter come election time)....

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  5. Why are they trying to argue... by bjdevil66 · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...this untenable position? Money, of course.

    A: From the article:

    If the FCC decides that broadband is being deployed to all Americans in a reasonable and timely fashion, the agency isn't required to do as much to accelerate deployment or promote competition.

    In other words, it's about cutting capital investment costs to increase profit margins.

    The kicker is that they were just crying about how net neutrality was a terrible thing because they couldn't manage traffic better to keep mobile service running. They were also just crying about how mobile data caps are absolutely necessary to keep from "clogging the tubes" (an outright lie).

    But they're trying to claim they want to claim that mobile is an adequate substitute for home/wired internet??

    (This exact same argument failed in 2017 after Ajit Pai initially supported the idea but backtracked after taking a shit-ton of heat from the public and consumer advocates.)

    Corporate executives don't deal in facts. They deal in their own malleable truth sundaes, sprinkled on top with factoids that they can sell in a different package at any time...

  6. Not exactly by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    they want everyone to have both and to pay around $160/mo for the landline and $70/mo (+$35 for your phone) for the wireless.

    Thing is, I don't think voters are going to do anything about it. Texas, for example, has a senate candidate (Beto O'Rouke) who refuses corporate PAC money but he's behind in the polls by 9 points. Nancy Pelosi beat her primary challenger and she's as corrupt as they come. So far the voters still vote for whoever has the most money, regardless of where that money came from.

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  7. Re:Actual limit much lower by tgeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Try checking to see if the carriers servicing your area offer fixed wireless service. Basically, it's an LTE hotspot designed to be used in one place, usually operating on a less congested low band. In most cases it'll be similarly priced to an "unlimited" handset plan, but with more generous data caps and friendlier throttling policies. And, of course, no tethering restrictions. NB: As with any wireless/LTE connection data rates can vary anywhere from "awesome" to "why bother" depending on all the usual factors.

  8. Re: Actual limit much lower by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    The hotspot already works like that.

    The connection does not go dead on the hotspot when you've exceed 10GB, it just goes to 3G speeds. But for all modern internet use that is very nearly dead, and not useful even for most web browsing.

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  9. This article seems a bit short sighted. by sunking2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I assumed they were really talking about home 5g service competing with cable/fiber. My hopes are that it does as it'll mean in a few years most people may have at least 3 high speed internet options. I see no real need for 5g on mobile devices for most people. The cable companies are going to fight tooth and nail to try to keep them out of the home internet game. This just seems like them strengthening their position. In the end cable and mobile phone companies will all morph into some new competing industry. Not sure what it'll be called but it won't be defined by tv or phone.