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Qualcomm Accuses Apple of Stealing Trade Secrets and Giving Them To Intel (betanews.com)
Mark Wilson writes: Chip-maker Qualcomm has today accused Apple of stealing trade secrets and sharing them with Intel. The company alleges that Apple wanted Intel to be able to improve its own chips so it could move away from using Qualcomm's. Qualcomm and Apple are already engaged in a legal battle, and with its latest accusations, the chip-maker wants the court to amend its existing lawsuit against the company. Apple stands accused of engaging in a 'multi-year campaign of sloppy, inappropriate and deceitful conduct'. In the new filings, Qualcomm says that upon Apple's request it allowed the iPhone maker deep access to its software and tools, but with strict limits on how those products could be used. It said, "Indeed, it is now apparent Apple engaged in a years-long campaign of false promises, stealth and subterfuge designed to steal Qualcomm's confidential information and trade secrets for the purpose of improving the performance of lower-quality modem chipsets, with the ultimate goal of eliminating Qualcomm's Apple-based business."
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a lot of trade secrets are obvious solutions .. or common sense .. or lessons learned from past failures .. all of which can be independently developed
qualcomm is going to have a difficult time showing this was not the case
Duh. What multi-billion dollar company isn't [rightfully] accused of this?
Then shouldn't the new iPhones work better?!?
You know when a company shit-talks it's biggest customer you know there is a problem.
Granted, qualcomm maskes the best modems but they're absolutely furious that Apple has the audacity to seek a second source for parts and help develop competing products.
Other vendors would join in, but Apple probably the one company that Qualcomm can't bully. Qualcomm even forces Samsung to ship phones with Qualcomm SoCs (Why would Samsung do this when they have their own chip fab? Think about it)
Any publicity is good publicity.
I've been told that NDAs are usually used to hide crappy implementations, not to hide secret advanced technology. Scholars develop neat orthogonal techniques to solve problems, but in industry, there is a dearth of scholars, and the reality is that the actual implementations are ugly hacks, best to keep hidden, unless investors find out that all is not perfect with their Fortune 100 darling, and find our their 100x overvalued sweetheart is in possession of a sausage.
Anything that knocks them down a peg (or several) is good in my book.
If Apple handed Qualcomm's Trade Secrets over to Intel, don't you think that Intel would have delivered a better-performing MODEM than what is evidently in the iPhone Xs and Xs Max?
Intel's not THAT stupid. If someone handed them those secrets, they have enough smart people to implement them. So, I submit that Qualcomm's allegations are as trumped-up as most of their Patents.
Qualcomm is just a damned cry-baby. And an evil greedy one at that!
Next iPhone will have an APPLE-Designed MODEM. Apple doesn't put up with vendors that try to strong-arm (no Pun) it. I sincerely believe that Apple's goal is to take every critical component "in-house".
I know its anecdotal, but my iPhone XS works just fine as a phone and an internet connected device.
As always, the loudest people are not always the majority.
The Qualcomm advertising campaign just so they can sway public opinion has been ridiculous. âoeWe invent all the stuff thatâ(TM)s in your smartphones... blah blah worship usâ
They also have a wall in their headquarters with plaques for each of their parents. The more important patents get larger plaques. One of their biggest ones is a plaque for an App Store. A freaking App Store. Iâ(TM)m not surprised that Apple is sick of this shit.
They purchased some good IP for those wireless chips, but they do not like to share how to even use them. Hopefully someone with enough cash to put out some ASICs will try to compete with them one day.
...is that Apple has no hesitation in dumping Intel as a supplier.
Apple announced that Intel modems would not be used after the current generation of iPhones.
Apple will also move away from x86 towards their own desktop/laptop ARM processors.
Is Apple dumping Intel because they broke Qualcomm's NDA? Or is it the 10nm debacle? Or both?
So Americans steal too? news for me, uh
Maybe if Qualcomm hadn't wanted ridiculous royalties from Apple, it wouldn't have this problem.
No kidding. My works fine too. What a surprise!
I‘m not an antenna guru but the bad antenna’ seems to affect the datarate quite nicely:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/g...
Unlikely. With NDA access to Qualcomm designs, the cleanroom requirements will be dire.
Im sure thats a comfort to the people with problems
apple has been lying, cheating and stealing since the company was formed. Hope Qualcomm takes them to the cleaners.
there's no way they had engineers working for 10 years to build up their own powerful and high-performance architecture. They learnt and stole as much as they could from the very liberal licensing deal they had with Imagination, then stated "we're done with you end of next year" when they had what they needed.
IP theft is very much alive in America, as always, and with the biggest corporations add to that.
"Apple stands accused of engaging in a 'multi-year campaign of sloppy, inappropriate and deceitful conduct'." None of which is illegal. This accusation is sloppy, inappropriate, and unless an actual legal violation emerges somewhere, deceitful conduct.
If you live in an area where the signals are strong and the towers are near, you will see no difference between Qualcomm and Intel modems.
If you live further away from the towers, where signals are weaker and interference more of a problem, you would soon find out that the Qualcomm chips are much more capable than the Intel ones.
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Im sure thats a comfort to the people with problems
All 12 of them.
qualcomm- ur just pissed that apple doesn't use your shit any more, or use your shit as a primary building block.
Apple, your all just a buncha dumb fucks..
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Billion dollar Babies..
this is stupid..
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If you live in an area where the signals are strong and the towers are near, you will see no difference between Qualcomm and Intel modems.
If you live further away from the towers, where signals are weaker and interference more of a problem, you would soon find out that the Qualcomm chips are much more capable than the Intel ones.
So you are saying that this suit by Qualcomm is basebandless.
Yes and apple also claimed only 9 iphones had bendgate.
And if it turns out to be true, then I guess you could say Qualcomm's technology got Xeroxed (pun intended).
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No kidding. My works fine too. What a surprise!
But if we put aside the anecdotes and actually take a look at the science of it you can see why people are reporting the relatively poor performance of the newer models of iPhones.