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Qualcomm Accuses Apple of Stealing Trade Secrets and Giving Them To Intel (betanews.com)

Posted by msmash on from the he-said-she-said dept.

Mark Wilson writes: Chip-maker Qualcomm has today accused Apple of stealing trade secrets and sharing them with Intel. The company alleges that Apple wanted Intel to be able to improve its own chips so it could move away from using Qualcomm's. Qualcomm and Apple are already engaged in a legal battle, and with its latest accusations, the chip-maker wants the court to amend its existing lawsuit against the company. Apple stands accused of engaging in a 'multi-year campaign of sloppy, inappropriate and deceitful conduct'. In the new filings, Qualcomm says that upon Apple's request it allowed the iPhone maker deep access to its software and tools, but with strict limits on how those products could be used. It said, "Indeed, it is now apparent Apple engaged in a years-long campaign of false promises, stealth and subterfuge designed to steal Qualcomm's confidential information and trade secrets for the purpose of improving the performance of lower-quality modem chipsets, with the ultimate goal of eliminating Qualcomm's Apple-based business."

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  1. Re:Proof is in the Pudding... by known_coward_69 · · Score: 3, Informative

    https://www.wiwavelength.com/

    Sites are starting to link to this guy

  2. Re:The funny thing... by GabeGhearing · · Score: 4, Informative

    Extremetech's article seems to be mostly mistaken. Intel's Sunny Peak project that Apple isn't using isn't a 5G modem, it's a WiFi/Bluetooth chipset.
    https://www.theregister.co.uk/...

  3. Re:That's the sound of desperation. by guruevi · · Score: 5, Informative

    Samsung also has it's own SoC's (which I think what the parent was trying to say) - the Exynos. They only recently developed a decent modem for it in order to cut out QualComm at some point.

    Having done business with QualComm (small electronics developer) I can concur that they're absolutely a horrible company to work with and will happily violate the GPL - they won't give you any Linux source code for "their" SoC reference compilation and then happily point you to the NDA. Oh you want a newer kernel - pay up for a newer chipset because we won't do it on our 2-year old chips.

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  4. Re:The funny thing... by Solandri · · Score: 3, Interesting
    This isn't about picking Intel over Qualcomm. The allegation (which I'm not qualified to judge if it has merit) is that Apple doesn't like paying higher prices to the one player dominating the market, so is trying to help give a competitor a leg up. The long-term plan being if Intel's chipset improves enough to become a viable alternative to Qualcomm's, the two will compete with each other and lower their prices. Basically like if some company were to sell hardware which could install MacOS on instead of having to buy a Mac. (MacOS will actually run on most PC hardware - the Macs are just PCs running a different OS. It's only Apple's software license which prohibits MacOS from being sold or installed onto generic PC hardware.)

    That's what gives the allegation a veneer of credibility. Apple has done exactly this (albeit legally) with Samsung - going with slower Toshiba NAND and SK Hynix RAM in their devices instead of Samsung. Trying to have LG manufacture the OLED panels for their iPhones as an alternative to Samsung. Apple's MO among suppliers is like Walmart - use its market dominance to bully suppliers into accepting extremely thin margins ("Well if you won't sign this hundred million dollar contract with us at a lower unit price, then we'll just ink a deal with your competitor instead."). That's partly how they maintain such a huge profit margin (over 20%, vs about 5% for the rest of the computer industry), not just by overcharging customers. But it's a tactic which doesn't work when only one supplier dominates the market.

    Apple will also move away from x86 towards their own desktop/laptop ARM processors.

    x86 is CISC. ARM is RISC. CISC vs RISC has played out numerous times since the 1980s. CISC has won every time. I like the idea behind RISC, but its advantages don't seem to beat out the advantages of CISC when it comes to optimized processor performance. RISC seems to have an advantage when rapidly transitioning to new processing regimes (previously high-end data processing with MIPS, currently with low-power processing with ARM). But it's like once the transition has been made or slows down, CISC allows you to optimize it further, resulting in CISC beating out RISC long-term.

  5. Re:Who isn't? by sinij · · Score: 3, Funny

    Costco

    This guy buys in bulk.

    I hate it when they move trade secrets into a different isle and don't tell you where to find them. You would think they are trying to hide them. I then have to wander the entire store looking for where they moved them. Just last week they moved Qualcomm trade secrets from next to cat litter and detergent into next to frozen food section.