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Apple Watch's Fall Detection Could Get Users Into Legal Trouble (arstechnica.com)

AmiMoJo writes: Apple has released more details about how the Watch 4 will contact emergency services if the watch detects that you've had a hard fall. If the watch detects that the wearer is "immobile for about a minute," it begins a 15-second countdown. After that, the Watch will contact emergency services.

Elizabeth Joh, a law professor at the University of California, Davis, was quick to point out that, by inviting the police into your home, Apple Watch wearers may be opening themselves up to criminal liability. If police are alerted by an Apple Watch of a possible injury, they do not need a warrant to enter a home under the "community caretaking" exception to the Fourth Amendment.

Any evidence of a crime in plain view (e.g. a joint) could land the owner in trouble.

The article notes the "(mostly) opt-in nature" of the service, though one New York-based criminal defense attorney had an even better idea.

He said he "would much prefer a feature that can automatically dial a user-determined contact."

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  1. Re: Why a new watch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    They changed the sensors to be better able to detect falls specificity. The older models would potentially have more false positives.

  2. I'VE FALLEN, AND I CAN'T GET UP!!! by garote · · Score: 4, Insightful

    These issues are not newly raised by the watch.

    I can only surmise that the reason the watch doesn't ask for voice confirmation before dialing is, they assume the wearer is unconscious. If the wearer wakes up later in the hospital and is enraged about criminal charges for a joint spotted on their table, they have their priorities out of whack.

    Likewise if the wearer experiences some head injury or loss of blood pressure and is too delirious to notice and abort the countdown. Probably better off summoning medical personnel.

    Of course there is plenty of room for improvement. There's no reason the watch couldn't make a unique beeping sound as it counts down to remind the wearer to disable it. There's no reason it couldn't alert emergency services AND text/email/call a list of contacts. There's no reason not to allow customizations like "slide to call" rather than "slide to cancel", at the wearer's own risk.

    1. Re:I'VE FALLEN, AND I CAN'T GET UP!!! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Funny

      I can only surmise that the reason the watch doesn't ask for voice confirmation before dialing is, they assume the wearer is unconscious.

      According to TFA, it does ask for confirmation. It dials if there is no response.

      criminal charges for a joint spotted on their table ...

      I live in California. Pot is legal here.

    2. Re: I'VE FALLEN, AND I CAN'T GET UP!!! by hawguy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is a safety feature. Much like call 911 if the collision sensor in a car goes off.

      Most people that turn on such features, believe the features benefit outweighs any potential liability if they live.

      People other than independent seniors do not need fall detection. They can turn it on if they live alone âoejust in caseâ, but in most cases if you are choking and hit the ground, you want 911 , not your sibling to drive over and check.

      I keep the "call 911 after a collision" feature turned on in my car since I trust that if my airbag deploys, then I really was in an accident, it's not likely that I hit my hand on the table and accidentally invited the police into my house.

      If I'm choking and hit the ground unconscious, it's unlikely that 911 is going to get there on time, but if the watch dialed my wife who was upstairs in the bedroom, maybe she could.

  3. WTF America! by thegarbz · · Score: 2

    How little faith do you have in your emergency services for this to be on the list of concerns?

    1. Re:WTF America! by e3m4n · · Score: 2

      Police are dispatched to every ambulance call in my city/state. There was an emergency responder that was shot in the line of duty attempting to save another life. Officers are 'sworn' to uphold the law. That means they technically are not allowed to use good judgement to overlook illicit or illegal activity because they are sworn to arrest/report to the DA. Unless another law or policy tells them to look the other way, they HAVE to intervene. They do not have any latitude to make the call. This is reserved only for the district attorneys office. They barely have the latitude to let you off on a traffic warning.

    2. Re: WTF America! by grumpy_old_grandpa · · Score: 2

      No need to go by anecdotes when there are plenty of data around.
      See the "The counted" series by the Guardian for info on people dead at the hands of the police in 2015 / 2016. About 1100-1200 per year.

      For SWAT team stats, Wikipedia says 50.000 raids in 2005. But for more insight, read Radley Balko's "Rise of the Warrior Cop" (2013).

      GP is right. Inviting the police to your home is a really bad idea.

  4. It is a gimmick anyway by Ecuador · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In general the fall detection of the iPhone is a gimmick - Apple seems to be running out of ideas for things that can set them apart. The obvious issue is that it is marketed as mainly for older people, but older people susceptible to falls are usually not the target demographic of a device that needs to go on the charger every 2 days! What's more, I don't know the stats, but I would assume going to the bathroom in the middle of the night must account for a respectable percentage of falls, but your watch would probably be on the charger. Unless you have 2 Apple watches?
    That would not be enough to condemn it as a gimmick perhaps if there did not exist dedicated fall alert devices that had none of the disadvantages of an Apple watch. I suspect with those devices you also don't invite the police to your house (assuming the article is correct and the Apple watch might do so), they usually alert a specialized EMT service.
    At least it is opt-in, so a less annoying feature than what the iPhone X brought. Yes, while Face ID seems to work well and some people like it (I am not a fan myself), the decision to put it in a "notch" was very bad. Now every phone maker out there just copies the "notch" without actually any hardware or functionality similar to Face ID, and pretends to be an iPhoneX-equivalent, or one of the "cool kids'. I'll have to wait until this notch idiocy dies out before upgrading my phone.

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  5. 15 seconds not long enough by thegarbz · · Score: 2

    As someone who has rolled out lone-worker / man-down alert systems before, 15 seconds is not long enough to prevent false alarms. Even with careful training, and even when a person knows they are wearing a dedicated man down device, the number of false alarms these things generate are incredibly high when not given a shitload of time for the user to respond.

    Rather than worrying about police rummaging through your house looking for your weed stash while you lay unconscious on the floor, I'd be more concerned with getting fined for repeated false alarms in jurisdictions that allow for such.

  6. Re:A joint? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 3, Funny

    And it’s not even mine!

    . . . and when the cops knock on your door, the watch answers:

    "Dave's, not here, man!"

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  7. A question for you more legal geeks out there by e3m4n · · Score: 2

    In my state (KY but possibly others), we created a law that when 911 was called for an overdose that everyone at the scene was safe from prosecution of crimes such as possession etc. Could this law be expanded or interpreted to include 911 calls made by an apple watch?

    http://www.lrc.ky.gov/statutes...

    1. Re:A question for you more legal geeks out there by e3m4n · · Score: 3, Insightful

      technically yes. Because otherwise the people in the room would scatter and NOT call 911, leaving the other person do die. It was decided that saving a life outweighed the other scenarios. But thanks to Carfintanil and something out of China called 'Pink', not even Narcan (Noloxone) is effective from saving the patient. I have no idea why someone decided heroin wasnt strong enough and had to come up with something 100x stronger and 10,000 times stronger. Does it matter that you had to take 2cc of a substance instead of 0.2cc? IMO the mad scientist that made _that_ stuff should bear some responsibility.

    2. Re:A question for you more legal geeks out there by gweihir · · Score: 2

      Fine inhumane authoritarian mind-set you have there.

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    3. Re:A question for you more legal geeks out there by rainer_d · · Score: 3, Informative

      A reddit user explained that a while ago (sorry, no link).

      It's easier to smuggle that way, of course, but it has (superficial) advantages for the addicted in that it looks to be cheaper and more "manageable".

      The downside seems to be that once you're on anything stronger than heroin, there's no easy coming back (getting clean), due to the way these drugs work and how long they stay active. I can't remember the details, but it was a very interesting and equally sobering post.

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  8. Warning for Left Handers by McGruber · · Score: 5, Funny
    Thursday, Internet of Shit retweeted this:

    Rayn@RyPatts

    So I apparently fell down 627 stairs then stopped moving for over 5 minutes. An ambulance showed up at the house along with my mum who let them in.

    Tip: don't wear your new Apple Watch whilst having some alone time. Thanks Apple.

    Lesson learned: Don't wear your Apple Watch while masturbating.

  9. Re:A joint? by e3m4n · · Score: 2

    this depends on the state. Not every state looks the other way, and if you leave it up to local authorities it becomes inconsistent between bigger cities and more rural towns. Indiana is a good example of this. I work in Louisville and KY has a policy that possession (not distribution) of less than 8 oz is considered a misdemeanor $100 fine for the _first_ offence. After that it is back to disproportionate punitive measures. However, because under 8oz is a misdemeanor it does give sworn officers the flexibility to not report it. I have heard Indiana (right across a bridge) is no where near as flexible so people wont even carry their personal stuff on them if they have to go over the bridge. Southern Indiana is pretty rural and so law enforcement has more time to nitpick this kind of stuff whereas bigger cities are so busy dealing with bigger crimes they dont waste their time dealing with the little shit.

  10. Re:So, don't commit a crime by hawguy · · Score: 2

    Or if you want to commit a crime, don't turn on features that call the cops.

    How would you even know if you're committing a crime? No one can keep track of all of the laws, there are over 300,000 federal laws and regulations that can result in criminal prosecution and over 70% of people have comitted one or more jailable offenses.

    https://www.politifact.com/pun...

    Some may seem innocuous like 'If a doctor gave you a prescription for the common painkiller vicodin and your spouse brings it to you as you lie in bed, "your spouse is dispensing a controlled substance without a license,"' but if a cop sees it and is looking for an excuse to arrest you, he's got the legal justification to do so and it may cost you many thousands of dollars to clear the charges.

  11. Re:A joint? by commodore64_love · · Score: 2

    > it's a federal crime

    I can lay my hand on No part of the U.S. constitution that allows Congress to outlaw a naturally-growing plant. It took an amendment to give them the power to outlaw alcohol, and the same requirement applies to weed.

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