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The Rise of Netflix Competitors Has Pushed Consumers Back Toward Piracy (vice.com)

A new study from network equipment company Sandvine finds that BitTorrent usage and piracy is increasing after years of declines. The reason appears to be due to "an increase in exclusivity deals that force subscribers to hunt and peck among a myriad of streaming services to actually find the content they're looking for," reports Motherboard. From the report: Sandvine's new Global Internet Phenomena report offers some interesting insight into user video habits and the internet, such as the fact that more than 50 percent of internet traffic is now encrypted, video now accounts for 58 percent of all global traffic, and Netflix alone now comprises 15 percent of all internet downstream data consumed. But there's another interesting tidbit buried in the firm's report: after years of steady decline, BitTorrent usage is once again growing.

According to Sandvine, file-sharing accounts for 3 percent of global downstream and 22 percent of upstream traffic, with 97% of that traffic in turn being BitTorrent. While BitTorrent is often used to distribute ordinary files, it remains the choice du jour for those looking to distribute and trade copyrighted content online, made easier via media PCs running Kodi and select plugins. Back in 2011, Sandvine stated that BitTorrent accounted for 52.01% of upstream traffic on fixed broadband networks in North America. By 2015, BitTorrent's share of upstream traffic on these networks had dipped to 26.83 percent, largely thanks to the rise in quality, inexpensive streaming alternatives to piracy. But Sandvine notes that trend is now reversing slightly, with BitTorrent's traffic share once again growing worldwide. That's especially true in the Middle East, Europe, and Africa, where BitTorrent now accounts for 32% of all upstream network traffic.

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  1. Ads don't help by DAldredge · · Score: 5, Informative

    It doesn't help when they put ads on the service. Amazon Prime Video has started randomly putting ads between show which is annoying but they also have copied what older ads used to do which is pump of the volume for ad which is really annoying.

    1. Re:Ads don't help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Trying to watch something calm like Mr. Rogers or Reading Rainbow with my son is frustrating on Prime when they stick a radioactive ad for their latest neon-colored jump-cut scream-fest abomination in front of it. I don't even understand - they're literally advertising things which I could watch on their service for free but am obviously choosing not to. Instead of getting ready to sing with Mr. Rogers or read with LeVar my son is changing his mind and wanting to whatever whatever the hell that was that I skipped as quickly as possible.

      Now I pirate things I could watch with a service I pay for.

    2. Re:Ads don't help by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Have you ever tried to cancel Amazon Prime? First you have to google the cancellation page because you sure as hell can't find it on their site, and then you have to click "yes, I want to cancel and give up all my benefits" about 15 times before it actually does it.

      The ads are just another way to convince you not to cancel by reminding you of stuff that their UI is too crap to help you discover.

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  2. commentsubject by Falos · · Score: 3, Insightful

    >competitors

    How generous.

    They're not offering a competitive product. In fact, "exclusivity" means the product in question no longer exists. Even if you disregard the fragmentation, neftlix/streamers have become more finger-grubby, more "inform you of viewing opportunities you may be interested in", more metrics and number-mulling, more watch-as-you're-told and curating. And who can blame them, it's just optimal use of a sea of shallow dullards.

    But I won't disregard it. Fragmentation isn't driven by "healthy market competition", this is kids taking their ball and going home. Kids trying to cut themself a bigger slice of a limited consumer pie.

    Seriously, that pie isn't infinite. We heap out a trillion hours of viewsumption every year and they pick it clean apart. Everyone wants their pile to be given more. A billion eyeballs live in screens and the attention economy claws for more, big or small.

    Oh wait, actual TFS is just eagerly interpreting a relative increase of torrenting in the upstreams. "97% of file-sharing is torrents" is like announcing 97% of typing is being done with fingers. It's not like we, being raised as consumer cattle, do much in the upstream anyway.

    1. Re:commentsubject by hai_Priesty · · Score: 2

      Seconded. The title was phrased as if competition is bad.

      Whole story would be better interpreted as "How Anti-competitive agreements between media oligarchs hurts competition and the push for legal content."

  3. The old adage is true, competition is good, but .. by Proudrooster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The old adage is true, competition is good, but too much competition is bad and leads to market fragmentation.

    Listen up you Weekend Harvard MBAs.
    NOT EVERY COMPANY NEEDS THEIR OWN STREAMING SERVICE, YOUR CONTENT ISN'T THAT VALUABLE. You don't have to fragment the market just to justify your existence and try to show everyone how you saved a penny by not letting Netflix rob you blind.

    Seriously, negotiate a long term deal with one of the following and go play golf or mine cryptocurrency:

    Netflix
    Amazon
    Hulu
    YouTube

    Done...

    New flash! people can only watch one show at a time. We realize your catalog is Huuuuggggeee, but remember, only one show at a time, and people pretty much want the NEW shows.

    If everyone in the USA watched a show simultaneously, that would be 300 million shows. That is the max.

    Remember, no matter how you slice it, Amazon and YouTube own the streaming cloud, so you are paying either Amazon or YouTube indirectly at some point. Even Netflix hosts in the Amazon cloud.

    So stop it already, pick a streaming partner and go play nice. Stop the fragmentation before it bites you in the ass.

  4. If you make viewers work, they will cheap out. by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you make viewers work to find their shows by making them have to subscribe and pay for each network individually, they will just put that work into finding the 'free' content instead. Providers and content producers still do not understand this.

  5. It's convenience by penguinoid · · Score: 2

    Netflix and Steam became so convenient, people were willing to pay. But whereas game makers want their game bought by anyone and everyone via whatever method people want, most shows were viewed via broadcasters and cable companies, whose business is selling their channels not the shows -- so companies like Netflix are a moral enemy to them and their obsolete business model. Even the film companies play a role in this; they might not like the cable companies but they sure don't want new competitors to have easy ways to publish and popularize their productions.

    tl;dr: They brought this on themselves.

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    1. Re:It's convenience by Shikaku · · Score: 3, Informative

      His point is that piracy is a service problem. The main PC vendors that literally blow all the other services out the water in both content and earnings is Steam and GOG. While Gabe kinda does have a monopoly for PC games his point is very poignant for this topic: https://games.slashdot.org/sto... Steam being such an easy service to use for having games and keeping them updated means that people will want to use them more. It's not Netflix's fault though since before Netflix became huge, they had licenses for really cheap because the studios didn't think Netflix would take off. Then it did so now they are making their own services for each of the licenses and now the fragments are ruining the issue making piracy a better service again.

    2. Re:It's convenience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      There is a difference between Steam and Netflix models which i think is worth mentioning.

      With Netflix et al, there is a monthly fee and content is only temporarily available. Right now Netflix is essentially a giant cable channel.
      Or Netflix is like a video store which charges a monthly fee for access, but no guarantee you will like anything new and no guarantee the things you liked yesterday will be available today. But you pay the same either way. So its a pretty crappy video store!

      With Steam there is no monthly fee, I only pay for content I actually want. That content is permanently available to me. If there is no content I want, I pay nothing. Its more like buying DVD's from Target.

      Maybe if there was a streaming service which worked more like Steam; which aggregated all the titles and allowed people to buy a single episode or season, that might work better.

  6. You know what else pushed me back towards piracy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My new and improved cable PVR box.

    We recently switched to a service called "Shaw Blue Sky" up here in Canada, and oh my god is the on demand system ever fucking shite. Like, I-can't-believe-I'm-actually-paying-extra-for-this-shit levels of crappiness. I've already cancelled everything I could relating to this particular "feature" (and bumped my internet plan accordingly), but let me give you a rundown of the overall experience:

    1) Find a show you want to watch on demand
    2) Click the show icon box art
    3) Click the "episodes" button
    4) Scroll through the seasons, click a season and unfold all the episodes
    5) Scroll to the episode you want, click on it
    6) Click on "Watch Options"
    7) Find out the only options listed are for some random subscription service or some package I don't own

    There is no way to filter for shows only actually available to me. I have to spend on average 35 seconds just figuring out if I can watch something. Then there's all the shows that I partly get- either one or two seasons but not the rest, or worse- some episodes but not others within the same season.

    You can literally piss away hours just LOOKING for somehing to watch on that flying shitbox of a platform. I think they actually want to piss off people so they eventually subscribe to 4 different streaming services and tack on another $120/mo to their bills just to "get everyhing", because that's the only way to ensure that everything you hit in the browser will be watchable somehow.

    This is why I've gone back to piracy. I tried going legit for 4 months, and just got shat on by Shaw's wonderful system. Sorry, but when I want to watch TV, I want to watch it- not browse through your shitty ass on demand browser that doesn't even have the decency to tell me what I can watch up front. It's way easier to just setup some torrents with an RSS feed watcher and dump everything to my media server instead.

  7. Re:Netflix, others keep dumping 3rd party content by viperidaenz · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's not Netflix's fault really
    The studios that make the movies and shows are starting to push them out their own streaming services and refusing the sell them to Netflix

  8. The problem.. by Tyger-ZA · · Score: 2

    The problem is that all of the streaming platforms treat their relation to the general public as a One-To-Many relationship (meaning one of them and many of us)

    The effect of this assumption is that we will spend our money on one of them to get access to shows that are exclusive to their platform along with shows that are on many platforms.

    They also assume that we will either choose to sign up with their competitors for other exclusive shows as well or choose to not watch the competitors exclusives.

    They seem to wilfully ignore that we could sign up with just one and pirate the rest from elsewhere, which can then lead to the thought "Why not just pirate everything?"

    The reality is that the streaming platforms have a Many-To-Many relationship with the general public (meaning many of them and many of us)

    When normalising a database with a many to many relation, we end up with a link table so that both "Many" sides have a single relation to the link table

    In terms of streaming services, the many content producers need to link to a single streaming platform and the many consumers need to link to that same streaming platform

    Of course they'll ignore that idea if it was ever presented to them, piracy will increase and they'll opt to deploy the lawyers against pirates instead to protect the many streaming platforms they've built, instead of actually trying to collaborate with their competitors on the platform and compete with the content on that platform

  9. They never learn by prisoner-of-enigma · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The studios again can't figure out how to get it right. None of them thought Netflix would amount to anything so they allowed it to germinate. Once it took off they did what any clueless, unimaginative Hollywood exec always does when faced with a competitor's success: copy it.

    Only it doesn't work out so well. The fragmentation and exclusivity is turning off consumers, myself included. It becomes such an amazing pain to find the content legally that it's just easier and faster to get it in a torrent. I'd pay for it if I could get it from a single source (or a reasonably small number of them, perhaps 2-3 tops), if it came in a high-bitrate H.265.MKV file with lossless audio, and without ads or onerous copy protection. I have about 1,300 HD movies on my Plex along with about 3,000 TV episodes. I don't even own a Blu-ray player anymore. I doubt I ever will. That is how consumers want to consume content.

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  10. Exclusive Content by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 4, Interesting

    No one is going to sign up for half a dozen streaming services just so they can watch all the exclusive content.
    One . . . . MAYBE two. After that, fuck it. I'm not going to bother with it. I'll go find it on Yarr Matey TV.

    It's like Sony vs Microsoft vs Nintendo in the console market. I'm not buying another GD console just for exclusive titles.
    It's the same for Oculus vs Vive vs Sony in the VR world. I bought ONE. That's it.

  11. Re:Bundles by torkus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The irony of it all is cable companies exactly fit the bill for this, except they basically worked themselves out of their own market by abusing customers and refusing to give them what they actually wanted. It's doubly so since most (nearly all?) cable TV is now an on-demand stream anyhow. Even 'normal' channels are still an IP video stream, just without the ability to select a start point.

    I wonder if cable 2.0 will come and be an aggregator of streaming services. I hope not, since cable companies are still utter scum.

    Some streaming services are getting smarter and allowing an offline mode. THAT will drive down piracy if it's robust enough. Well, that and ending this idiocy of exclusive movies and all. It's one thing if you (netflix, amazon, etc.) make your own shows that only you host...but playing that game with movies? Broadcast TV shows? Yah...cut that shit out.

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  12. Smartphone Videos by mentil · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Back in 2011, Sandvine stated that BitTorrent accounted for 52.01% of upstream traffic on fixed broadband networks in North America. By 2015, BitTorrent's share of upstream traffic on these networks had dipped to 26.83 percent,

    I suspect that Youtube/Facebook video uploads are a large portion of consumer uploads. Back in 2011, many more people were still using flip-phones that took 320x240 video. Now, most of those people have upgraded to phones that take 1080p or 4k video. The larger video file sizes makes Bittorrent data look smaller in comparison.

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    1. Re:Smartphone Videos by Calydor · · Score: 2

      At the same time, the codecs used for video compression have improved, meaning most TV show episodes are about half the size as compared to 2011. The cap-friendly size back then was 350 MB for a typical 40 minute episode, now it's around 200 MB for 40 minutes.

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  13. Re:Solution: Rotate Services by hawguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Every time this topic comes up people complain that "Well now I have to buy N number of services at the same time and that adds up to more than I used to pay for cable!". I call BS. Why don't you just subscribe to one (or two) services, exhaust all of their exclusive content that you're interested in, then cancel and move on to another service. Rinse and repeat. By the time you get back to the first service they should have a bunch of new content for you.

    For the small handful of times that you need to watch a SPECIFIC movie or show RIGHT NOW you can temporarily subscribe to a service that has it, or buy the BlueRay or DVD.

    Every time this topic comes up people complain that "Well now I have to buy N number of services at the same time and that adds up to more than I used to pay for cable!". I call BS. Why don't you just subscribe to one (or two) services, exhaust all of their exclusive content that you're interested in,

    Because if I'm going to do the research to track down which streaming service has the content I want, I might as well make the extra click to download it.

    Prior to Starz leaving, Netflix had a pretty decent catalog -- plenty of movies and TV shows I wanted to see. After that, their catalog has been getting steadily worse, except for Netflix produced content (some of which is really good). But when I want to watch something in particular, I don't want to have to go figure out which streaming provider it's on and then potentially have to sign up for that provider just for that content.

    If it's easier to find content for free download than to purchase it legally, many people will chose to download it.

  14. Greed by Alan+Evans · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Every media company wants its own service so it can monopolize its own content and squeeze every penny from their customers. If they would remove their heads from their anuses they'd see that a few services offering everyone's content they'd make a killing. Micro transactions are where it's at. Ask the music and video game industries... Having to buy multiple services, navigate which content comes to which service and when will push consumers away. Make it brain dead simple and ubiquitously available and the money will pour in.

  15. Re:Ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Nah.

    The driving force behind Piracy is "ease of access", if I have to download a fucking app, then downloading a piracy app, or any app that "enables" piracy (such as Kodi) is just as easy. About a decade ago, people were downloading "unlimited cable" apps from sketchy people on eBay and all they did was skin VLC and use a playlist of the various "subscriber only" and "free to watch" websites directly, as media has no authentication control. That also mostly came to a crashing end as many of the same subscriber-only sites switched to proprietary apps (try watchig HBO or Disney outside the US, it's impossible, thus resorting to piracy is the only option if you're not willing to fork over $2400/yr to the local cable company.)

    With Netflix, Netflix really has no reason to engage in content lockups, and doing so is because the content providers treat them as a cable channel so they can dip as many times with cable companies around the world. If a piece of content in the US is on Fox, Netflix generally has it world-wide... one season behind. That's perfectly fine, and they (Fox) can shoot their toes off if they want to do it that way. Everyone else who has no Fox affiliate (eg everyone who doesn't live in the US) has to resort to piracy. In Canada, only the CW doesn't exist as a local channel, but it's content is carried by CTV... except not all of it, and if I miss an episode, I have to pirate it, because the VOD service offered by the cable company is entirely useless when they decided to jump on their own crappy Netflix clone (Shomi(when went out of business) or CraveTV)

    So if I have to subscribe, individually to no less than 3 "app"'s to get all the content I want, I'm right back up to $50/mo where the price of renting basic cable is. Fuck that noise, I'd rather pay for one (Netflix), and just outright ignore the other shows, and seeing how god awfully slow these other App's aren't making their content available outside the US, means they will have a hard time putting their content horses back in the barn after the pirates rip it off.

    The sheer lack of 4K content (absolutely zero content is available in 4K outside of Netflix) is going to be the death for conventional Cable services. As pirates will be able to get 4K rips of films and TV shows much faster and more conveniently just like when DVD and Bluray's were the only way to watch that content. I own a bunch of 4K Bluerays, but do not have a player for them. Why not? The same reason the PS4/Pro doesn't support 4K Bluerays.... you need a specific drive to play it, and that's an additional tax that isn't worth paying until a 4K BD drive is $50.

    I've used the Wii, Wii U and Xbox 360 for playing Netflix. Netflix just gets played on whatever I can plug into the second screen. That's all.

    And that's the issue here. Physical media is an annoyance, and one would rather just plug in a USB stick with 100 movies on it, into any device (including the PS4 Pro, and most smart TV's) rather than have to fumble with yet more fucking apps and subscription services.

    So Piracy is the unfortunate check on content creators greed. When they get too greedy, the pirates will go through the extra effort to ensure they can play that content on whatever the fuck they want, in perpetuity.

  16. Re:The old adage is true, competition is good, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Competition is not what is bad.. competition is GOOD. Exclusivity is bad. Exclusivity is what leads to market fragmentation.

  17. Re:Bundles by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When they finally installed FIOS in my neighborhood, they door to door salespeople were greeted as heroes. We invited them in and made them tea or something. We gave them cookies. We signed up with whatever the hell they were selling. Neighbors made offerings of their first born.

    Don't get me wrong, Verizon sucks. But holy hell, Comcast is even worse. They are so bad that we were happy to do business with Verizon.

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  18. It needs to be easier to use by jonwil · · Score: 2

    What needs to happen is for someone to come up with a way to see all the content available to them (cable TV, cable co video on demand, streaming services, all of it) and be able to easily find everything you have access to (without displaying content you dont have access to)

    The real problem here is that the cable companies don't want their content to become just another option in a list of available options (since they want you to watch their content and their ads rather than the other guys stuff) and they dont want it to be easy to hide/ignore the cable company-supplied channels and content you dont have access to (since they want you to have to flip past it all the time so you see what's on and become tempted to buy the extra packages)

  19. Re: Bundles by nnull · · Score: 2

    Verizon/Frontier techs are usually nice enough to offer them tea or coffee though. Their CSR is god awful and don't deserve anything however.

  20. As explained by The Oatmeal by Calydor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    http://theoatmeal.com/comics/g...

    All these different producers need to stop thinking that THEIR offer is the only thing anyone could ever want.

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  21. Re:The old adage is true, competition is good, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Its not competition, its the exclusivity that is killing it.

    Show 1 is on Netflix
    Show 2 is on Amazon
    Show 3 is on Hulu
    Show 4 is on HBO/ Other..

    That's four monthly subscriptions just to watch 4 shows.... If all 4 shows were on all providers that would be competition, as then it would be the cheapest or perhaps highest quality content provider that would win.. THAT is competition..

  22. Price = supply / demand by scum-e-bag · · Score: 2

    Price = supply / demand

    When something is infinitely reproducible for negligible cost, the supply tends to infinity and price tends to zero. The only thing people have been paying for is "easy access".

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  23. Re:The old adage is true, competition is good, but by Tom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The old adage is true, competition is good, but too much competition is bad and leads to market fragmentation.

    That is wrong.

    What is bad is exclusion, not competition.

    The more companies manufacture a gadget, the more choice you have, the more they all are under pressure to improve efficiency (so they can offer lower prices) and to innovate (so they can offer new features), all in an effort to stand out from the crowd.

    This works for smartphones, for cars, for almost all consumer gadgets, because all smartphones use the same carriers and WLAN and Bluetooth. All cars use the same roads and the same single-digit number of types of fuel. All electronic gadgets have the same power connectors. All washing machines take the same washing powders or liquids. You get the idea.

    If you bring a smartphone that only communicates with other smartphones of the same type to the market, and somehow manage to get a double-digit percentage of consumers to buy it, and then two competitors do the same - then you have market fragmentation. But the cause is not that there are three competitors, the cause is that they are not interoperale.

    The subscription service model is one of those business models that has market fragmentation at its core. It wants to be customer-hostile. Forcing as many people as possible to subscribe to your channel, perfectly well knowing that this will make them unsubscribe from competitors, is the business model.

    From a consumer perspective, the only solution is to pressure those companies into abandoning a customer-hostile business model and force them into an interoperable model.

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  24. Re:Ads by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

    Nope. It's completely about access. People don't want to have to subscribe to 10 different services, and go searching through 10 different services because of some contractual agreement that nobody outside of the lawyers and content producers know about.

    So they'll go to the one place they know they'll find it, with the benefit of having extremely low cost: The Pirate Bay.

    I would have thought that the media industry would have learned this lesson by now.

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  25. Re:Netflix, others keep dumping 3rd party content by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

    Netflix has no choice but to pull it when their distribution contract ends, and there isn't a new one to take it's place. What are they supposed to do in your mind, just continue distributing stuff they have no rights to distribute and get sued into oblivion by ComcastNBCUniversal21stCenturyDisneyABCBSViacomTimeWarner?

    Yeah, that's a great solution. You have demonstrated that you have no actual knowledge about how media distribution works.

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  26. Why upstream traffic? by Xenna · · Score: 2

    "BitTorrent now accounts for 32% of all upstream network traffic"

    Is that because the numbers look more impressive that way?

  27. Re: Bundles by pnutjam · · Score: 2

    The x1 interface is almost as smooth as netflix and includes the netflix app. My wife loves it. It's an extremely smooth interface that switches easily between dvr'ed programs, on-demand, and OTA. If I turn on an OTA movie that avaliable on demand, it will often offer to restart the on-demand stream so I'm not tuning in mid show.