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Humans Having Sex With Neanderthals Gave Us Protection Against Ancient Epidemics (sciencealert.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from ScienceAlert: A new study argues that we have Neanderthals to thank for helping us cope with the viral tides we encountered as we marched around the globe. Stanford University researchers have identified DNA sequences that evolved in our ancient cousins can produce antivirus proteins, which more than likely gave some human populations the edge they needed to survive. Roughly 1 percent of our genome's coding was written in Neanderthal populations. But this is a broad average -- many families with African ancestry have zero, for instance, while other populations boast as much as 2 percent or more. So the question is how much of this difference comes down to the random drift of DNA being passed on around the globe, and how much is due to natural selection giving those with Neanderthal genes an advantage?

To build a case one way or another, the Stanford researchers put together a list of just over 4,500 virus-interacting proteins (VIP) made by our genome. These were all matched against a database of Neanderthal DNA that could be found in modern East Asian and European human populations, providing 152 VIP genes shared by both groups of human. Interestingly, all of these VIP genes were of a variety that interacted with RNA viruses -- pathogens that include influenza A, hepatitis C, and HIV. This isn't to say these viruses were problems for ancient humans, but rather that similar RNA viruses were more than likely prevalent enough to shape our evolution. The discovery supports a view of genetic exchange described as the 'poison-antidote' model.

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  1. Europeans saving the world with superior genes? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Funny

    Nah, there's no way this is going to be controversial. ;)

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    1. Re:Europeans saving the world with superior genes? by ArylAkamov · · Score: 3

      I'd like to see just how controversial we can get.
      Graph of populations with neanderthal DNA and without vs average IQ would be an interesting one.

    2. Re:Europeans saving the world with superior genes? by hey! · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I occasionally dip into white nationalists sites to keep tabs on what's going on there, and some racists are actually embracing the Neanderthal heritage thing as a justification for supposed European genetic superiority.

      As usual this kind of "just so" pseudoscience is based on the highly selective choice of data that's always underpinned various racial theories. There are some 20,000 protein encoding genes in the human genome, and if you look for geographic clusters of the 324 million known gene variants you will find some, whether it's for white skin or red hair. If you look at the big picture you find that people aren't that picky about who they have sex with, such that looking for a population that is genetically inbred over the course of more than a few hundred years is a fool's errand.

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  2. And all because... by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 3, Funny

    Some homo sapiens sapiens couldn't get a date some evening, but there was always their Neanderthal friend for evenings like that

    1. Re:And all because... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Some homo sapiens sapiens couldn't get a date some evening, but there was always their Neanderthal friend for evenings like that

      The Neanderthals were really the fun ones, but could not hold their liquor. And the Sapiens girls definitely preferred them because they were bad boys, and they thought the protruding brow ridges were sexy.

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    2. Re:And all because... by arth1 · · Score: 2

      Joking, right? The sapiens males raped the neanderthal females. It's rape culture, unchanged to this day.

      I recommend you read up a bit on genetics of Neanderthal and modern man, and especially research on mitochondrial DNA (which only pass through the maternal line) and Y-chromosome alleles (which only pass through the paternal line).
      In short, what you would expect to find if your WAG was correct would be extant Neanderthal mitochondrial lines, but little to no Y-chromosome contamination. That's not what we find.

      Due to scarcity of uncontaminated Neanderthal DNA, most of it coming from a single cave in Croatia, our picture is far from good, but the scenario where human men raped Neanderthal girls and that being the reason for Neanderthal DNA in our genome is pretty much ruled out.

  3. Explains why by AdamStarks · · Score: 2

    she decided to marry me.

  4. Despite the juvenile comments so far... by GerryGilmore · · Score: 2

    ...this is pretty interesting in that it demonstrates the value of genetic diversity in helping humans evolve survival mechanisms at the genetic level. We've long known that viral imprinting bestows resistance to certain those viruses, but zooming this out to a more macro level is very fascinating.

    You may now continue with the school-yard level jokes....

  5. Interbreeding, not 'having sex' by Martin+S. · · Score: 5, Insightful

    'Having sex' didn't give people protection, that is just poor use of language. The offspring from Interbreeding would have the benefit greater genetic diversity.

    1. Re:Interbreeding, not 'having sex' by PPH · · Score: 2

      Having sex

      Homo sapiens as well as their distant primate relatives had frequent sex, both during a female's period of fertility as well as outside of it. The physiology of the species hides the females estrus cycle and they are receptive to the act of sex when not fertile as well as when they are. This has important implications for sociological bonding within groups. So I think it's accurate to say that they were 'having sex' both recreationally as well as for the purpose of procreation (if they even gave a thought to this side effect of the fun part).

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  6. Re: It's a slippery slope, but..... by jd · · Score: 2

    No, homo sapiens met Denisovans in Indonesia, on the path out of Africa.

    This conveyed superior capacity for low temperatures and low oxygen.

    Humans only met Neanderthals 55,000-60,000 years ago.

    Many hybrids, such as those in the Red Deer Cave, went extinct.

    There is no superiority. Stronger immune systems are why Europeans suffer from far more severe autoimmune disorders, conditions barely known in Africa.

    It's always a trade-off. We are all specialists, adapted to local needs, as always happens with evolution.

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  7. Re: Europeans saving the world with superior genes by jd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Nobody is claiming they're superior genes. They offer a different trade-off (greater cancer risk, greater autoimmune disease risk in exchange for a lower risk from a selection of viruses and bacteria).

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  8. "Humans having sex with Neanderthals" by zmooc · · Score: 2

    I keep finding this a weird thing to say; obviously, us and Neanderthals procreated with great success. Therefore we have been the same species, we just followed different migratory paths at different times and later merged again (probably with all kinds of conflicts because that's human nature). "Humans having sex with Neanderthals" thus makes no sense. It's as odd as saying "humans having sex with Caucasians". It makes no sense because we are are the same species. We may not all be Neanderthals like we're not all Caucasian or Asian but we probably all are Congoid. And we definitely are all humans. And so were Neanderthals. Let's stop this weird display phrenology and just call Neanderthals what they were: an interesting group of pretty plain humans.

    (Or am I missing something here?)

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    1. Re:"Humans having sex with Neanderthals" by Empiric · · Score: 2

      (Or am I missing something here?)

      You're missing that "species" is arbitrary, but conceptually unavoidable.

      Species problem

      There is no objective physical indicator for delineating a species transition. Science will never offer you one, and never will be able to.

      Of more concern is having a proposed mechanism to differentiate yourself meaningfully not simply from Neanderthals, but from animals in general.

      Are you a Philosophical (as contrasted from Methodological) Naturalist (broadly, "atheist")? Were Neanderthals human?

      Minor question, overall, as I don't grant you the status of "human" -now-. Why? Because your worldview offers no basis for you to claim any special status for your particular DNA permutation, and in a generous attempt to "respect how you self-identify" in fine P.C. tradition. I won't argue your insistence that you have no reason to consider you to have anything like "rights" in contrast to other DNA.

      Enjoy your world of "only science exists". I'll be listening to some Led Zeppelin, even though any claims to their (or any other musicians') quality of music are undemonstrable by science, and therefore by some standards (particularly those of Dawkins sycophants) "unscientific". And by followup equivalent equivocation, such aesthetic quality does not exist.

      Who says evolution lacks a sense of irony? Enjoy your 0% survival rate.

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  9. Hybrid vigor by Alain+Williams · · Score: 2

    It has been long known that breeding (having kids) with those distantly related to you is likely to produce healthier offspring. So: if you want healthy kids: choose a partner who has a different ancestry to you -- domeone of a different race is an easy way of doing it. Having said that what I have said is simplistic, not everyone has equally ''good'' genes, so choosing someone who is: healthy, strong, intelligent, ... is also good -- these are the characteristics that many find attractive anyway. The mating game is largely about producing healthy kids - even if we do not realise it.

    1. Re:Hybrid vigor by the_povinator · · Score: 2

      That's true up to a certain point but once you go too distant, it ceases to be true. Scientists believe the immediate offspring of sapiens and Neanderthals would, in most cases, not have been healthy and might not have even survived, because their genes were not that compatible. That's why only a small minority of Neanderthal genes survived many millennia of natural selection in predominantly Homo Sapiens poplations.

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  10. Re: Europeans saving the world with superior genes by arth1 · · Score: 2

    Nonsense.
    Immune system traits are not trade offs ... what a brain dead idea.

    TANSTAAFL applies to evolution too, and even more so than most other situations.
    We only have around 30,000 genes, which are largely multi-purpose and used in combination with other genes.
    Because the gene itself has multiple effects, any genetic mutation is also likely to have more than one effect. Given that any change is far more likely to be for the worse than for the better, this means that any good change is often linked with one or more bad changes too. For the mutation to survive and propagate, the good change has to outweigh the bad change in that particular environment.

    The most commonly cited mutation that has multiple effects, both good and bad, is sickle cell anaemia, where an affected individual also has high resistance to malaria. That trade-off is why sickle cell anaemia has not been either bred out or become ubiquitous.
    There are others, like the HLA-B27 antigen which not only drives up the risk of conditions like Ankylosing Spondylitis, but also increases the resistance to influenza type A, and has a small but significant correlation with slower progression of HIV.
    At some point in the past, the tradeoffs must have been good for the population where this antigen is most prevalent.