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iFixit Confirms You Can Still Repair Your Own iMac Pro Or MacBook Pro -- At Least For Now (engadget.com)

After it was reported that proprietary diagnostic software was needed in order to replace key parts on computers equipped with Apple's T2 chip, iFixit decided to put that claim to the test by replacing a part on a brand-new 2018 MacBook Pro. They found that after pulling it apart and replacing the display, it still worked -- even without the software. Engadget reports: As they put it, any "secret repair kill switch hasn't been activated -- yet." So far, it has limited approaches that limit repairs based on security to the TouchID and FaceID sensors that require specialized software, as I noted yesterday, even though people have reported trouble with the ambient light sensor after replacing iPhone displays. While it's possible that a future software update could change things and make it require specialized software that only official Apple Stores and authorized service centers have access to, we're not there yet. Passing "right to repair" laws currently under consideration could be a big step to guaranteeing things stay that way.

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  1. So you're saying it was all FAKE NEWS?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shocker.

    1. Re:So you're saying it was all FAKE NEWS?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. iApple hasn't rolled out the update yet
      leading people to a false sense of security.

      I though you could do math...?

      CAP === 'retain'

    2. Re:So you're saying it was all FAKE NEWS?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fucking apple apologists have not got the sense to think it through.
      This is why they buy apple crap.

  2. Cue the haters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What are you gonna complain about this time?

    1. Re:Cue the haters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you should reread the "at least for now"
      Fucking apologist isheep

  3. Magnuson-Moss warranty act.. by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Magnuson-Moss act covers this kind of crap. By law Apple can't require only Apple branded parts or their repair shops be the only option to repair or keep a warranty in force. While Magnuson-Moss does allow for them to make certain terms be part of keeping the warranty, it expressly forbids what TFS states they are doing by requiring all repairs be done only by Apple. Further more Apple also has to prove that the repairs caused an issue in order to be able to void a warranty. Granted, this was passed in 1975 and was intended mainly for cars at the time, but as written any item over a certain dollar amount is covered. Since that dollar amount is anything over $5, I'm pretty sure that it covers anything that Apple makes that has any kind of warranty.

    1. Re: Magnuson-Moss warranty act.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have a republican controller everything. If you think something will happen. I pray ur right.

    2. Re:Magnuson-Moss warranty act.. by BronsCon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why, yes, they can't invalidate the warranty due to unauthorized repairs or modifications that didn't cause the problem. However, what has been reported is that they've designed a system such that any (or at least most) unauthorized repairs will cause a problem... which, then, will invalidate the warranty, at least as far as that problem is concerned. If the battery puffs up after your SSD replacement causes the system to refuse to boot, they'll still be on the hook for the battery, but they'll have no obligation to make the system bootable again.

      We'll have to wait and see if they've actually implemented what was reported, but it's not a violation of MMWA if they did... even if it's shitty and underhanded.

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    3. Re:Magnuson-Moss warranty act.. by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      Except they have to explain in the warranty that this will happen before they can do it. And such things are expressly forbidden bring Magnuso-Moss.

    4. Re:Magnuson-Moss warranty act.. by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      So, then, how is Jon Deere getting away with it?

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    5. Re:Magnuson-Moss warranty act.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then how come Deer has been screwing over farmers when it comes to self repair and getting away with it?

    6. Re:Magnuson-Moss warranty act.. by Leslie43 · · Score: 1

      One could make the argument that this is just an electronic "Warranty Void If Removed" sticker, which was found to be illegal.

    7. Re:Magnuson-Moss warranty act.. by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      They paid off the right people, perhaps? Who knows?

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    8. Re:Magnuson-Moss warranty act.. by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      They obviously greased the right palms, and managed to get away with it.

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    9. Re:Magnuson-Moss warranty act.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The same way Tesla gets away with it. Nobody cares.

    10. Re: Magnuson-Moss warranty act.. by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Except that it's more of a "you broke it when you installed an incompatible part" situation, which MMWA explicitly allows to invalidate a warranty.

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    11. Re: Magnuson-Moss warranty act.. by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      And Apple can't afford to do that?

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    12. Re:Magnuson-Moss warranty act.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So why does Apple and John Deere get vilified here while Tesla gets praised for doing the same thing?

    13. Re: Magnuson-Moss warranty act.. by Leslie43 · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure how it would apply if the company made it break on purpose, I think that would be one for the lawyers to decide.

      The best option is to avoid any companies doing this sort of thing.

    14. Re: Magnuson-Moss warranty act.. by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      It wouldn't apply; Apple didn't make it break due to the use of an incompatible part any more than Ford made your brakes stop working because you used Mopar parts instead of Motorcraft. Agreed, however, that it's all kinds of shitty for the system to refuse to even attempt to use a part it doesn't recognize; if a bad part is used, it would benefit them to try and use it, then sell a new laptop when it fries (thereby voiding the warranty).

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    15. Re:Magnuson-Moss warranty act.. by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Have you seen me praising Tesla? If not, why are you asking me?

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    16. Re:Magnuson-Moss warranty act.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Magnuson-Moss act covers this kind of crap. By law Apple can't require only Apple branded parts or their repair shops be the only option to repair or keep a warranty in force. While Magnuson-Moss does allow for them to make certain terms be part of keeping the warranty, it expressly forbids what TFS states they are doing by requiring all repairs be done only by Apple. Further more Apple also has to prove that the repairs caused an issue in order to be able to void a warranty. Granted, this was passed in 1975 and was intended mainly for cars at the time, but as written any item over a certain dollar amount is covered. Since that dollar amount is anything over $5, I'm pretty sure that it covers anything that Apple makes that has any kind of warranty.

      enjoy while you can Apple cultists.. because soon, your divine masters will remove this possibility completely... due to the very heretic nature of the act... do you really want to repair your Apple devices so that you would need to donate LESS to the divine cause? HERETIC!

    17. Re:Magnuson-Moss warranty act.. by sg_oneill · · Score: 1

      So, then, how is Jon Deere getting away with it?

      They probably have some bullshit lawyer nonsense going on, but like all bullshit lawyer nonsense, it really just needs someone with decent lawyers of their own. Like say a big well funded multimillion dollar farm tired of ridiculous tractor DRM.

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    18. Re: Magnuson-Moss warranty act.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your failure to call them out is effectively praise.

    19. Re: Magnuson-Moss warranty act.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They can totally do it.

      Sure, you can repair the thing yourself. They can make the sw reject the new part.

      The machine still works perfectly. You're free to install other oses, right?

    20. Re:Magnuson-Moss warranty act.. by jimbolauski · · Score: 1

      The tractor is free, the software to run the tractor is not, they are just selling a software license with a free tractor. Since the tractor is free they don't have any obligation to follow the Magnuson-Moss warranty act.

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    21. Re: Magnuson-Moss warranty act.. by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      So then the parts should be free, as well?

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    22. Re: Magnuson-Moss warranty act.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck off.

  4. iFixit? Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Internet spam DIY website that is more spam than content?

    OK, sure, post it because they managed to hack Google enought to get the top spot. Good job...

    Morons

    1. Re:iFixit? Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So this disproved your Apple hate, but you ignore the evidence, attack the messenger, and still hate Apple.

      Yep, you might just be a Democrat

  5. Where do you seem them voiding the warranty? by raymorris · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As you correctly stated, they can't void the warranty regarding unrelated problems because a customer used unauthorized parts. In other words, if you put in a knock-off keyboard, then later have a problem with the screen, they can't say the screen isn't warranteed because you replaced the keyboard.

    Where do you see them trying to do that? The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act is about warranties (hence the name). It doesn't say "manufacturers mist make it easy to repair products". It doesn't say "manufacturers must somehow make sure that knock off parts always work right". It only says that the warranty on part A can't be conditioned on using OEM part B.

    1. Re:Where do you seem them voiding the warranty? by exomondo · · Score: 1

      That's the reason for the Fair Repair Act that explicitly prohibits software locks on repairs, something Apple is actively lobbying against.

  6. May work for now... by huiac · · Score: 1

    Wild guess, things get tricky when you install your next OS update - expect a complaint that you're installing on 3rd party hardware. If so, expect to hand over money at an Apple store to fix it.

    1. Re:May work for now... by tsa · · Score: 1

      Does this mean the end of the Hackintosh?

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  7. Only a screen replacement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This was likely the only part of the laptop that could be replaced without a soldering iron.

  8. Anybody seen a T2 chip? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So far no one has come forward and shown us a board with the T2 chip on it to my knowledge. Anyone care to predict the number of mega class action lawsuits enabling such a feature would create?

    1. Re:Anybody seen a T2 chip? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not as many as you think. All the real Pros have long since abandoned apple laptops and desktops. The majority of what is left are the cultists that will blindly accept whatever shit apple pulls and be praising apple for it.

    2. Re:Anybody seen a T2 chip? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don’t want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Mac fanatics? I’ve been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a Mac (a MacBook Pro w/16 Gigs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Gig file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Ryzen 7 running Windows 10, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Mac, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.

      In addition, during this file transfer, Chrome will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even BBEdit 12 is straining to keep up as I type this.

      I won’t bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I’ve encountered while working on various Macs, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I’ve never seen a Mac that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the same chip architecture. My i5 with 8 Gigs of ram runs faster than this 2.8 Ghz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don’t get how people can claim that the Macintosh is a superior machine.

      Mac addicts, flame me if you’d like, but I’d rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Mac over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.

    3. Re:Anybody seen a T2 chip? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me start with this - been a happy Mac user for many, many years, but this latest iteration of laptops with the touch bar is the last Mac I'll ever buy, more than likely. USB-C absolutely SUCKS for charging, as the connector keeps coming unplugged if the machine is not on a sturdy surface - these are no longer laptops.
      The main thing I like is subtle - MacOS treats you like an adult. It assumes you know what you are doing and offers no assistance. The main thing that absolutely infuriates me about Windows when I have to use it is that it is constantly trying to "help" me, by asking if I need it to do this or that. Not in so many words, but that's what it's doing.

  9. Exploits? by aglider · · Score: 1

    It'd be interesting to know what if a hacker could exploit this kill switch to ransom an Apple user.

    Well, the answer is obviously "yes". The real question is "when".

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    1. Re:Exploits? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ransom - unlikely. The hacker couldn't enable it again without an authorised copy of the software and that'd leave an audit trail identifying them.

      Maliciously bricking your device though - perhaps.

  10. Apple iPrices by DrYak · · Score: 1

    but as written any item over a certain dollar amount is covered. Since that dollar amount is anything over $5, I'm pretty sure that it covers anything that Apple makes that has any kind of warranty.

    Apple, being Apple, "anything over $5" is 100% guaranteed to always cover absolutely everything in their inventory down to every single last SKU.
    Even if Apple started producing items as simple as "single use iAss-wipes", it's going to cost at least 50$. per unit.

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