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Snapchat CEO's Leaked Memo On Survival (techcrunch.com)

In a 6,000-word leaked memo to Cheddar's Alex Heath, Snapchat's CEO Evan Spiegel attempts to revive employee morale with philosophy, tactics and contrition as Snap's share price sinks to an all-time low of around $8 -- half its IPO price and a third of its peak. TechCrunch reports: "The biggest mistake we made with our redesign was compromising our core product value of being the fastest way to communicate," Spiegel stresses throughout the memo regarding "Project Cheetah." It's the chat that made Snapchat special, and burying it within a combined feed with Stories and failing to build a quick-loading Android app have had disastrous consequences. Spiegel shows great maturity here, admitting to impatient strategic moves and outlining a cohesive path forward. There's no talk of Snapchat ruling the social app world here. He seems to understand that's likely out of reach in the face of Instagram's competitive onslaught. Instead, Snapchat is satisfied if it can help us express ourselves while finally reaching even meager profitability.

Snapchat may be too perceived as a toy to win enough adults, too late to win back international markets from the Facebook empire and too copyable by good-enough alternatives to grow truly massive. But if Snap can follow the Spiegel game plan, it could carve out a sustainable market through a small but loyal audience who want to communicate through imagery.
The report goes on to highlight nine of the most interesting takeaways from the memo and why they're important. They include: "Apologizing for rushing the redesign; Chat is king; Snapchat must beat Facebook as best friends; Discover soars as Facebook Watch and IGTV stumble; But Discover is a mess; Aging up to earn money; Finally prioritizing developing markets; Fresh ideas, separate apps; and The freedom of profitability.

71 comments

  1. Last one through the door apparently by GrandCow · · Score: 2

    I don't even use Snapchat and I could have told you MONTHS ago that they were about to fall off a cliff. How many stories were here on /. or on any other news site or discussion forum that had near unanimous hatred from the people about the changes. When even your star power is trashing the change and quitting, you fucked up.

    The CEO is just now realizing this?

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    1. Re:Last one through the door apparently by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The important thing is that the tards who bought at the peak price lose out.

    2. Re:Last one through the door apparently by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, pretty much everyone here predicted their big new overhaul was going to be a disaster. It was an easy prediction to make, since a) it involved UX folks, who always seem gung-ho to radically change stuff, and b) most people hate change.

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    3. Re:Last one through the door apparently by mentil · · Score: 2

      So Snapchat is to Instagram as Digg is to Reddit?

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    4. Re:Last one through the door apparently by cre1mer · · Score: 1

      So Snapchat is to Instagram as Slashdot is to Reddit?

      FTFY - Digg, seriously?

    5. Re: Last one through the door apparently by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah he acting all humble now.... and want to focus on developing markets?

      Oh how the tides have turned. Didn't he say Snapchat is for rich people and doesn't want to expand into poor countries like India?

      Now he expect people is those poor countries to use his app?

      That's a good lesson how not to burn your bridges before you even cross them.

      https://www.google.com.sg/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/technology/2017/apr/17/snapchat-denies-claim-ceo-did-not-want-to-expand-into-poor-india

    6. Re:Last one through the door apparently by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nope. Digg was far more popular than Slashdot in its prime, and undoubtedly what Reddit ripped off.

      Slashdot is a relic from before those times (aka 'the late 90s').
      We're still here, though...

    7. Re: Last one through the door apparently by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aspie alert.

      Lots of things change, everyone likes itor nobody cares. Only you guys are negative 100% of the time.

    8. Re: Last one through the door apparently by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone you talk to online is an AI designed to keep you engaged.

      Haha just kidding. Your opinion is stupid, but you should return to this website to defend it.

    9. Re: Last one through the door apparently by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please tell me more about everyone you talk to online being an AI designed to keep you engaged.

    10. Re:Last one through the door apparently by ArylAkamov · · Score: 2

      Your compass is aligned to the true north. I wonder what the net would be like if digg never went through that terrible UI redesign that killed it.
      &TotSE

    11. Re:Last one through the door apparently by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, yeah, Chris we already know about this opinion of yours, you posted it one thousand times all over the Internet. You definitely need to get that problem of yours cured or, at least, under control.

      Cheers buddy!

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    12. Re: Last one through the door apparently by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why the fuck was my post modded down almost instantly? Can't you people see that I'm doing a valuable service by posting anti-creimer content, posting fake creimer comments to make him look stupid, and keeping creimer at bay? I'm sick and tired of my posts being censored to -1, being insulted, and people calling for me to be banned. Don't you assholes have anything better to do with your time? If you don't like my posts, despite their value to Slashdot, you can skip them. But I've had enough with being censored to -1 and it needs to stop. I'm doing valuable work here and you people seem intent on ruining it. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

    13. Re: Last one through the door apparently by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And all the people that left and made their stock crash tounjagweed.

    14. Re: Last one through the door apparently by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    15. Re: Last one through the door apparently by houghi · · Score: 1

      Hatred about changes is not enough. Just look at Google and Mucrosoft.

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    16. Re:Last one through the door apparently by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      So Snapchat is to Instagram as Slashdot is to Reddit?

      FTFY - Digg, seriously?

      Slashdot is more like IRC. Not as popular as anything else anymore, but will probably outlive them all. How many things have started, risen, peaked and vanished while slashdot hsa just trucked on regardless?

      I mean sure it's been not as good as the old days since before the introduction of user names. The depth on specific topics is often not as much as on very much special interest forums. But I have yet to find a better place for discussion.

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    17. Re:Last one through the door apparently by MikeS2k · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What is it with these websites pushing through terrible "redesigns"?

      They get pages and pages of user hatred, and yet these CEO's seem to blindly trust these UI "Experts" anyway? Here's a hint - if your UI Expert says "Users don't know what they want; they will stick with it - they did with Youtube" - fire them. Users stuck with Youtube despite the UI changes (Youtube was heavily entrenched) - not because of them.
      Reddit is going through a similar thing now - redesigns that appear to have been implemented by people who have no idea what the site is about, who it is for, and how it is used - it is almost as if they are designing to a hipster tablet template (oh right, it is because that is what they are doing).

      At least Slashdot had the brains to dump Beta (at least I haven't seen it in years despite almost never logging in)

      Or - and it just occured to me - is it some kind of monetization experiment all of these sites are pushing through? (it all makes sense)

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    18. Re: Last one through the door apparently by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So Windows 8 was the best Windows ever because it had the most Change, right?

    19. Re: Last one through the door apparently by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it because everyone you talk to online being an AI designed to keep you engaged that you say tell me more about everyone you talk to online being an AI designed to keep you engaged?

    20. Re:Last one through the door apparently by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for your reply!

      What is this "IRC" you mention?

      Anyway, have a look at my YouTubeTM channel for more on topic.

      Thanks! :)
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    21. Re:Last one through the door apparently by khchung · · Score: 1

      The CEO is just now realizing this?

      No shit, when one is surrounded by yes-man and sycophants, one quickly lose touch with reality.

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    22. Re:Last one through the door apparently by khchung · · Score: 2

      Or - and it just occured to me - is it some kind of monetization experiment all of these sites are pushing through? (it all makes sense)

      These "redesign" appears when you've got a some "executive" having difficulty justifying the cost of his empire, or when an executive started building his empire in the company.

      The usual pattern is to make up some "crisis" or "bold move" that required sinking in a lot of company money, then hiring a whole lot of people (or moving people from other parts of the company) under his reporting structure. That gave the executive a huge budget to spend, lots of power to abuse, and justification for his own big bonus. Until he jumped to another company to repeat.

      Since the whole purpose is build empire, all criticism against the redesign will be ignored as "resistance to change".

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    23. Re:Last one through the door apparently by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      What is it with these websites pushing through terrible "redesigns"?

      I think they all believe the only way to grow their userbase is to make themselves "hip" by changing their appearance to a "fresh new look". The obvious problem is their existing userbase is used to the old design (and features) and have learned to navigate it efficiently at that point. Change is generally what they don't want, at least not the kind of change that the company management wants to make. If you annoy the current users they might start leaving and you could ultimately end up with a net shrinkage in market-share. The management wants the site to be "easier to use" to attract people, and that gets interpreted as "remove customization and settings". In some cases they probably don't care if it scares off the old userbase because those people are likely -- old. They want new younger users to help drive more young people to their platform.

      It's kinda like Firefox's development. There certainly are people who want to see changes in the product, but those changes are bug fixing and performance improvements. Changes like that aren't visual enough to make people want to code them. The developers want to do sexy coding that makes the app different in a very noticeable way. They look at Chrome and its rising popularity and think "that must be what people want, because they are changing to that". So they make Firefox like Chrome and completely ignore the users they still have who don't want a browser like Chrome.

    24. Re:Last one through the door apparently by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In my experience, UI and UX people have no idea how to do either. They just follow the industry trend (flat colors! no differentiation between text and links/actions! moar whitespace!! mobile-first!!!) regardless of any feedback. They are highly qualified User Experience Experts; nobody without a selection of colored pens and a boutique haircut is allowed to have an opinion on their work.

      Some of the clever ones then use extremely stupid metrics to back up their design failures: "time on site is up 25%" (because users can't find/do what they want quickly), "user engagement is up" (people are clicking on more things, or scrolling past infinite lists of things, trying to find what they were looking for) "support tickets are down" (because you hid the support button behind a maze of ambiguous links).

      Unfortunately we've passed into an age where form is more important than function. It doesn't matter if it works or not, so long as it's pretty.

    25. Re: Last one through the door apparently by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Snapchat disappears who would care except for investors? Its a scourge on our teenage youth and it should be treated like a disease and eliminated.

    26. Re:Last one through the door apparently by swb · · Score: 1

      When was it based just on user numbers?

      I have a low 5 digit user number and I'm pretty sure I signed up for Slashdot at some point in the 1990s and I don't remember it being user number based unless that was a very short period before I signed up.

      I think Slashdot's moderation scheme is part of what helps it and the inline threading of comments, which is very USENET-like.

    27. Re:Last one through the door apparently by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All redesigns suffer one major flaw: too much fucking JavaScript. Nobody fucking wants JavaScript. They want the features of it, but the actual implementation near universally sucks and is slow and shitty. In some applications like maps, it's simply unavoidable. But, this is not true for every fucking website. Youtube, Slashdot, reddit. These websites all functioned fine and quickly in a mostly legacy HTML text-heavy design. Adding images and javascript everywhere makes them fucking slow. If the redesigned functioned as smoothly as the legacy designs, users would love them (maybe not Slashdot, that one was particularly bad). They don't. JavaScript is largely to blame.

    28. Re:Last one through the door apparently by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      If somebody doesn't do usability testing, and claims to be a UI expert, those are the people you should fire. Human computer action is a real science, and treating pretenders like engineers doesn't get you down the right path.

      The better question is why does the c-suite put up with departments of people who have no credentials? Well I guess the answer is the ones who do will quickly go out of business, leaving the smart ones to earn the profits.

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    29. Re: Last one through the door apparently by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>nobody cares. Only you guys are negative

      >>Snap's share price sinks to an all-time low

    30. Re:Last one through the door apparently by Cid+Highwind · · Score: 1

      Or - and it just occured to me - is it some kind of monetization experiment all of these sites are pushing through?

      In a word... yes. Just look at what is actually different between old reddit and new reddit. The old design had one ad per page, and it was always at the top where it was easy to ignore. The new design has 2-5 inline ads per page that look more like user-submitted links.

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    31. Re:Last one through the door apparently by zidium · · Score: 1

      The Slashdot Beta 1-week Boycott really did work! I heavily participated in it.

      I do miss www.pipedot.org, tho :( Dead as a door-knob since early 2017.

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    32. Re:Last one through the door apparently by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They get pages and pages of user hatred, and yet these CEO's seem to blindly trust these UI "Experts" anyway?

      User hatred is only half of the story, and it also happens to be something fairly easy to discount.

      They aren't just hearing user hatred. They're also hearing voices in their own company, saying "we need to get our number of users up" and where some people think the users they don't have, will start using the platform if they make the change. And/or there will also be voices that say "if we make these changes, we can make more money per user."

      Balancing out these ideas is user hatred, but users are known to be extremely adaptable and are willing to go to great effort to keep from switching. They say they hate your app, but do they really stop using it? Most people say they hate Facebook, Windows, newer versions of Mac OS X, etc but all those products still have users. People will tolerate a lot. Most users' "hate" is just an act.

      Users "hate" bad UIs the same way that voters "hate" Democrats and Republicans yet almost completely unanimously continue to support them. You, for example, probably haven't stopped using Youtube or Reddit, either.

    33. Re:Last one through the door apparently by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Or they come up with shit like A/B testing, which is fuck all use when the correct answer is more like Z or something from the Futhark.

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    34. Re:Last one through the door apparently by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Usability testing's where you show them two static screenshots in slightly different shades of pale grey and ask them which they prefer, isn't it?

      Proper HCI is to UX as architecture is to interior design.

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    35. Re:Last one through the door apparently by drsquare · · Score: 1

      UI designers have to keep redesigning the UI to justify their own existence, otherwise they're out of a job.

  2. Snapchat must beat Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Snapchat must beat Facebook

    *ok hand gesture*
    Very best of luck with that.

    1. Re: Snapchat must beat Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet snapchat isn't even usable from the web?

  3. What the fuck is Cheddar? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seeing them all the time lately. Fuck Cheddar.

  4. Snapchat is my favorite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But I fear this is too little too late. Prove me wrong, Evan.

  5. Do the obvious... by cre1mer · · Score: 0

    SnapChat should have pulled a Verge and blamed racism for their problems.

    1. Re:Do the obvious... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SnapChat should have pulled a creimer and blamed racism for their problems.

      FTFY!

      P.S. "should have pulled" and then; "blamed" ????? Learn English you Russian troll!

    2. Re:Do the obvious... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or pulled a creimer and blamed ACs and clickbots for his massive failures!

    3. Re:Do the obvious... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or pulled a creimertard and pastebin the shit out of everything!

    4. Re:Do the obvious... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus christ stop saying that people "Pastebin" things. They're pasting things.
      Not "pastebinning" them. Even if they're pasting from pastebin they're not "pastebinning"

    5. Re:Do the obvious... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What can you do?

      creimer is an idiot...

    6. Re:Do the obvious... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If someone pastebins the shit out of you, how much does that weigh?

      https://science.slashdot.org/c...

  6. Leaked Memo Eh? by mentil · · Score: 2

    Perhaps he should've sent the memo through some kind of service that automatically self-destructs messages once they are read, maybe on some kind of timer. Someone ought to suggest that idea to him.

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    1. Re:Leaked Memo Eh? by sheramil · · Score: 4, Funny

      Perhaps Banksy could help with that.

    2. Re: Leaked Memo Eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That memo was designed to be leaked

    3. Re: Leaked Memo Eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Evan Spiegel being humble? Yup it's definately designed to be leaked.

      It's probably one step short of the humiliating public apology to his users that his investors demanded so he chose the show humility without apologising without looking fake approach.

    4. Re: Leaked Memo Eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty sweet PR approach thought..... it may just work if hasn't been such an asshole all along

    5. Re:Leaked Memo Eh? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      Perhaps Banksy could help with that.

      Actually, I think your comment is Insightful. Snapchat needs to "Banksy" their new UI . . . run it through the shredder . . . and go back to the old one. Kinda sorta like what Coke did with "New Coke" back to "Classic Coke".

      Sometimes new code needs to be "MacGyver'ed" to fit in with existing code.

      Sometimes new code just plain needs to be "Banksy'ed".

      . . . and someone paid a lot of money for the Banksy work . . . only for it to be put through the shredder.

      This sounds like a lot of software projects I have seen . . . spend a lot of money on them . . . only for them to be put through the shredder when they are finished.

      Banksy deserves an honorary Geek Card.

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    6. Re:Leaked Memo Eh? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Why would you think he didn't want the memo to leak. This isn't a surprising memo with secrets. It leaking is good for him and the Snapchat company.

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    7. Re:Leaked Memo Eh? by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

      While broadly disseminated memos to employees and "all hands meetings" may be officially company secrets, as a practical matter it will eventually get to the public, and any CEO who acts/believes otherwise is inviting negative scrutiny, including from the SEC.

  7. Killed by redesign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice to see the market punish this behavior. Don't "redesign" things without a good reason. And "good" isn't defined as "the rock star new hires we picked up with a VC money say we have to!"

    99% of the redesign disasters we see are entirely unnecessary. The same end results can almost always be achieved in an incremental manner; one carefully introduced change at a time with minimum drama. That way when you screw up and your users start yelling you have an opportunity to step back, correct your mistake and demonstrate good will.

    But it seems people just can't help getting suckered into big bang redesigns.

    1. Re: Killed by redesign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe they should have done it as Snap Beta?

      Then actually listening to the backlash...

    2. Re: Killed by redesign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah they should have a simple poll:

      Do you like Beta?
      a) Yes!
      b) No
      c) Fuck Beta!!!!

    3. Re: Killed by redesign by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

      Surely there is a way to do very small betas and get useful feedback, rather than roll the dice on a big release. That Microsoft effs up is almost forgivable. That a company like Snapchat does I just do not see the excuse. Snapchat has so very little to offer its customers except convenience and user satisfaction.

  8. We had to do some personnel cuts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... And it worked like this. We would take two employees at a time into a room and leave them there with a switchblade knife on the table: "the one who lives keeps the job". It worked like a charm.

    1. Re:We had to do some personnel cuts... by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Until you go to let out the winner, but the loser was faking and tackles you to the ground while the winner stabs you to death.

  9. Another leaker identified! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another leaker has been identified and he has been suspended from his functions at a US 3 letter agency. He is soon to be permanently detained on further charges if he doesn't go straight to Gitmo.

    Christopher Dale Reimer (aka creimer, The Original CDR, etc.) has been identified by JSOC as a Russian troll.

    The Reimer family is typically from the Eastern part of Germany and it has been found that Chris have maintained contacts with homeland influencial people.

    I would like to point out that East Germany was communist and controlled by Russia (CCCP) before Ronald Reagan took USSR apart.

  10. Its a One Trick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    U n i c o r n ! ! What did you expect..?

  11. Changing ux because... that's their job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I work for a small start-up, sells to enterprises. The value is not in the ui.

    We took a decision to not hire a full time ux/ui person or persons as we were concerned that the ux folks would strike out with the basic premise of the need to change ui - as a function of their job. Kinda like bizdev folks buy companies as thats what they're hired to do.

    I suspect that snap chat hired ux folks who changed things to change things, without a LOT of data driving the decision. I did not read the tome from snap chat, but suspect that there was an emperors new clothes thing going on, and no one asked where the user feedback was as the new ux was being rolled out.

    PS, kudos to Gmail for having a 'revert' setting to their new browser ui. I see little in Google taking time to understand the market outside of their little bubble, but at least they had a revert setting to make up for the regression in usability.

  12. Social software trends by Dan+East · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We have reached an interesting point in computing history, where software trends are socially driven. In the past software was for function (balancing the checkbook, word processing, business, education), or entertainment (games, consuming information). Games in and of themselves tend to be trends, like other forms of entertainment such as movies. People play the game until they "beat" it or become bored of it, new games that are (supposedly) better in some way or another come along, people then play those games.

    Social software is different, in that the software itself isn't the focus, but the connectivity it provides socially. The quality (or lack thereof) of the software has no impact on its popularity - as long as the software is basically functional and usable. Do you think that one single Facebook user chose to be on Facebook because of the features of their software? Of course not.

    Snapchat had one major draw that really kickstarted it. Supposedly, the messages weren't saved and went away after a brief amount of time. That was right around the time there were several high profile cases of high school students getting in trouble for sending pictures / messages that were inappropriate to one another using FB Messenger and texting. Snapchat seemed like a solution to that, so youth adopted it as a way of having privacy among themselves. The other thing it had going for it was that it *wasn't* FB, and their parents (especially the moms) were totally embracing FB. Typical youth to do something different than their parents just to be different.

    Snapchat's days are numbered. As are Facebook's (although FB has the money and a more generic, all-encompassing platform so it will hang on for several more years). The social software generations are vastly shorter than human generations, as indicated by massive trends that have already come and gone (Myspace, AIM, Yahoo Messenger, ICQ, etc). It's safe to say that within the next three years something will come along that will be the end of Snapchat. Whenever your platform is based on the "anti" anything (doesn't matter if we're talking about styles of music or clothing or software), the days are numbered until the whims of people change again.

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  13. The saddest thing to me about this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is that there are some many smart people spending so many hours and brain cycles on solving a totally unimportant problem.

    1. Re:The saddest thing to me about this by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile people on the chans can watch a live video feed of a flag against a blue sky and within a day locate it and vandalize it.

  14. Too perceived? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not peeving, just wondering if "too perceived as a toy" is acceptable now. I would have said "too much perceived" but wouldn't mind adopting "too perceived" -- it's shorter and it works, it's just unusual. I can't even find a stringent reason why. "Too copyable" seems unremarkable in comparison, even if the comparative (*perceiveder, *copyabler) doesn't work for either.