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IBM Pushes Beyond 7 Nanometers, Uses Graphene To Place Nanomaterials on Wafers (ieee.org)

An anonymous reader shares a report: Four years ago, IBM announced that it was investing $3 billion over the next five years into the future of nanoelectronics with a broad project it dubbed "7nm and Beyond." With at least one major chipmaker, GlobalFoundries, hitting the wall at the 7-nm node, IBM is forging ahead, using graphene to deposit nanomaterials in predefined locations without chemical contamination. In research described in the journal Nature Communications, the IBM researchers for the first time electrified graphene so that it helps to deposit nanomaterials with 97% accuracy.

"As this method works for a wide variety of nanomaterials, we envision integrated devices with functionalities that represent the unique physical properties of the nanomaterial," said Mathias Steiner, manager at IBM Research-Brazil. "We also can envision on-chip light detectors and emitters operating within a distinct wavelength range determined by the optical properties of the nanomaterial." As an example, Steiner explained that if you wanted to modify the spectral performance of an optoelectronic device, you could simply replace the nanomaterial while keeping the manufacturing process flow the same. If you take the method one step further, you could assemble different nanomaterials in different places doing multiple passes of assembly to create on-chip light detectors operating in different detection windows at the same time.

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  1. Mmmmm... by nwaack · · Score: 0

    Nanomaterial wafers...

    1. Re:Mmmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nanomaterial wafers...

      Lets hope they make some interesting chips without backdoors that can kick intels ass

      Or atleast make an FPGA that is cheap and fast

  2. From TFA: by CaptainDork · · Score: 1, Funny

    The wafers are unique in that they are "off-the-shelf" units manufactured by Nabisco and can be found in quantity on aisle 13.

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  3. $3BB? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where did IBM get $3BB USD?

    1. Re:$3BB? by sexconker · · Score: 1

      You can just say B. MM is used to designate million because backwards countries see an M and think thousand (mille) before they think million. When they see a B or "billion" they wonder what happened to "milliard", but they don't get confused further and start thinking of some other B number. They're just lost on the long scale from the first issue.

    2. Re: $3BB? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean the country on the North American continent is cackwatds and doing the opposite of the rest of the world

    3. Re:$3BB? by technosaurus · · Score: 1

      It's hexadecimal for 59 billion. Coincidentally that may have been the final cost for global foundries 7nm process after cost overruns (jk)

    4. Re:$3BB? by rkordmaa · · Score: 1

      Hey, hey, don't diss milliard, long scale is awesome, pity English speaking world no longer uses it.

    5. Re:$3BB? by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      Their mainframe division is alive and well. Lots of interesting technology, you should check it out.

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    6. Re:$3BB? by Megol · · Score: 1

      The metric system: 3G$US fully specified, 3G$ short.

  4. So. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    GF reportedly hits a wall at 7nm, but not a word on Intel's Great Wall of 10nm..?

    1. Re: So. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Especially when GF never made such a statement. They did however say that the cost to produce at 7nm wouldn't make them enough money, since they'd only have basically one customer (AMD). They instead chose to use their fab space producing more profitable chips.

    2. Re:So. by rogoshen1 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Of all the unfortunate abbreviations to use when describing length and hitting 'a wall'.. She's clearly not wanting to hurt your feelings.

    3. Re:So. by Tough+Love · · Score: 2

      GF reportedly hits a wall at 7nm, but not a word on Intel's Great Wall of 10nm..?

      It's the same wall. Intel's 10nm has nearly the same feature dimensions as 7nm of the rest of the bunch. Intel aimed for about 10% finer metal pitch than TSMC and Samsung (36nm vs 40nm) apparently putting them just on the wrong side of the wall of what deep UV lithography can achieve reliably.

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    4. Re:So. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, the point was it was poorly written/thought out. It doesn't really make sense pointing finger at to GF as someone having problems. Not when there is someone else who has literally struggled for years already, nominally on a larger node to boot.

      One would have thought that if someone wanted a poster-boy for the woes at 7nm or thereabout, Intel would be the perfect fit, not GF.

    5. Re:So. by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Nobody is pointing a finger at Glofo for 7nm problems. Glofo decided just to stay out of that game entirely after having made almost zero investment in it. Glofo's only real problem was, AMD was taking its 7nm business elsewhere. Sensible decisions all round. AMD gets earlier, less risky production and Glofo continues to profit from its older but highly profitable 14nm and 28nm nodes. The latter may soon account for 30% of PC processor chips.

      BTW, I wouldn't count Glofo out of the game at this point. They're going to have a fat bank account a couple years into this cycle and they have an ongoing partnership with IBM. They will probably get into EUV when the tech is more mature, possibly skipping 7nm and going straight for 5nm GAAT.

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  5. How many angels can dance on a nanowafer by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 0

    Inquiring minds want to know "How many angels can dance on a nanomaterial wafer, and if they get hungry, can they eat the wafer, or will they get angel food poisoning?"

    Also, it's less than 7 nanometers. Beyond, while it can be used for boundaries, implies further than, so it parses badly.

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  6. No contamination? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    IBM is forging ahead, using graphene to deposit nanomaterials in predefined locations without chemical contamination.

    Interesting. I would have thought the graphene was a chemical contamination.

  7. ...different detection windows at the same time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Leading to Multispectral, Hyperspectral, and finally proper Spectroscopic Imaging chips.
    However, Displays will still be crappy RGB, and Prints will still be incredibly crappy CMYK.
    The Goethe Color World is still a bitch.

  8. Summary is a bit misleading by crgrace · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The summary is conflating two related, but distinct things here: 1. the ability to place features on a wafer at dimensions less than 7 nm, and 2. the ability to manufacture large quantities of highly reliable transistors with features less than 7 nm.

    While 1. is a necessary condition for 2., it is far from sufficient.

    The article itself doesn't discuss GF for good reason, since GF dropping out of the "end of Moore's law" race is irrelevant. However, the article wondering why IBM is investing here while it is de-vesting from semiconductor manufacturing misses the point. This is about development of new tools and technologies, not to squeeze one more node out of Moore's law.

    These nanotechnologies can be highly useful in lots of areas distinct from chipmaking, for example, the article talks about light sense which could be very important in continuing advances in neuroscience and physical chemistry (to name too examples). There is REAL MONEY in healthcare and these type of new sensors could potentially revolutionize science and practice in many bio-facing areas.

    IBM has gotten out of the chipmaking game and this announcement in no way implies it is getting back in.

    1. Re:Summary is a bit misleading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many insight, much thank.

    2. Re:Summary is a bit misleading by technosaurus · · Score: 1

      97% accuracy but at what precision... I assume it's still pretty low

  9. Slashdot - No News For Nerds by scdeimos · · Score: 2
    FTFA:

    The $3 billion is equivalent to half of all IBM's R&D expenditure last year, but others have pointed out that this amount of funding spread out over five years essentially maintains IBM's current chip research spending levels.

  10. when not now by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    Bet I'll still have to wait for this, and wait for that, and reboot when the other thing goes bonkers, but aeroglass will work flawlessly.

  11. Re:No nano-wafers in FEDERAL PRISON! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We own the SC. No one is going to prison unless we want it so.

  12. Graphene enabling THz clock-speeds by ffkom · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Might be worth mentioning in this context that scientists have recently published results of experiments showing that graphene is able to turn alternating electric currents in the GHz range into electric currents in the THz range: https://phys.org/news/2018-09-... Thus, instead of using graphene just as some structured base material, it may make a lot of sense to actually build the electronic circuit itself from graphene.

    1. Re:Graphene enabling THz clock-speeds by rkordmaa · · Score: 2

      Clock speed limit is not in how fast you can switch a gate. What's the wavelength of a 1THz signal? 300um in vacuum, some percentage of that in silicon wave guide. If any of your clock lanes in longer than that, then the clock is different at the beginning of the lane from what it is in the end of the lane, uh-oh, trouble.

    2. Re:Graphene enabling THz clock-speeds by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Propagation delays do make design more difficult. They can be modeled and compensated for.

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    3. Re: Graphene enabling THz clock-speeds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't it be a multiple of 300um since matter slows it down?

  13. Sounds pretty much like 7nm is it by gweihir · · Score: 1

    This process by IBM sounds pretty expensive, hence it may be useful for special components (microwave transistors, e.g.), but that is it. I think we need to expect no real advancement beyond 7nm for the foreseeable future. Fine by me, maybe then software can start to catch up again instead of crappy coding just relying on more CPU speed.

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    1. Re:Sounds pretty much like 7nm is it by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Add more cores and make them use a turbo setting to boost the speed per core. The set marketing to work selling the world on chips with a turbo.

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    2. Re:Sounds pretty much like 7nm is it by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      I think we need to expect no real advancement beyond 7nm for the foreseeable future.

      Way wrong. EUV will take standard lithography down to 5nm and 3nm, these are already in the pipeline. Google GAAT.

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  14. Re: So by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Time for Apple to back to ppc?

  15. Will they port *BSD to this new architecture? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or will they not bother with dead operating systems?

    1. Re:Will they port *BSD to this new architecture? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's an antique troll already. Time to retire that old gem.

  16. What's Watson go to do with it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because I bet Watson must have somehow be involved in this outcome as Watson can do everything so much better than humans.

  17. Re:And Again, My Dick Is Huge In Comparison To 7nm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge margin.

    yeah, like a whole 9nm! you're big and swinging right there.

  18. Re: So by JDeane · · Score: 1

    I actually heard they are planning on just using ARM chips for everything... Not sure how much faith I put in that rumor but if true it would be really weird... It would have to be some extreme upgraded ARM to offer any reasonable performance in a desktop machine?

  19. So much BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're using an academic (read: non-scalable) recipe for photolithography to pattern graphene, then using the patterned graphene as a template to deposit other nanomaterials.

    Moving on, they pattern metal contacts to their deposited nanomaterials using the same photolithography process they used to pattern the graphene. Again, these are not processes you would use in a commercial fab. This demonstrates that the materials they're using survive basic photolithography. This is something we all knew already; however, the thesis of this paper is that these materials do not survive that process and we need some other way to pattern them.

    They make a couple of great CNT transistors with graphene contacts. We knew how to do that years ago.

    I really fail to see anything new here, other than now it's done by IBM. If nanotechnology "research" is now so stuck in the mud that Nature is publishing IBM repeating 10 year old work, we're in trouble. This is BS.

  20. Re: So by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

    It would have to be some extreme upgraded ARM to offer any reasonable performance in a desktop machine?

    You mean like, with superscalar, shadow registers, multi-level cache, branch prediction, that kind of thing? Recent ARM has all of it, differences with X86 microarch have been steadily shrinking. SMT is one of the few x86 characteristic optimizations still missing from ARM. Not clear why ARM hasn't dropped the other shoe on that one, maybe transistor budget. But I would not be surprised at all to see an ARM SMT reveal by this time next year.

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  21. Re: So by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I actually heard they are planning on just using ARM chips for everything... Not sure how much faith I put in that rumor but if true it would be really weird... It would have to be some extreme upgraded ARM to offer any reasonable performance in a desktop machine?

    ARM performance is more than enough, for posing at the local starbucks coffee shop ... While working on a 'novel'

  22. Miracle material with no products by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Thus, instead of using graphene just as some structured base material, it may make a lot of sense to actually build the electronic circuit itself from graphene.

    That's great. Wake me when we actually make something useful with graphene that I can actually buy or use instead of just talking about what a miracle material it is. We keep seeing all sorts of articles about how great it is and yet nobody seems to how to actually do anything useful with it outside of a laboratory.