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21% of Large Employers Collect Health Information From Employees' Mobile Apps or Wearable Devices, Report Says (axios.com)

An anonymous reader writes: The Kaiser Family Foundation's annual review of employer-based insurance shows that 21% of large employers collect health information from employees' mobile apps or wearable devices, as part of their wellness programs -- up from 14% last year. Wellness programs are voluntary, and so is contributing your health information to them. But among companies that offer a wellness program, just 9% of employers (including 35% of large employers) offer workers an incentive to participate.

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  1. Excesses of for-profit health care by sinij · · Score: 3, Insightful

    US for-profit health care directly responsible for this. If your main business function is insurance, then your main business driver is to minimize the risks and recover costs. Then it becomes logical to exploit personal information of your "customers" and violate their privacy to the maximum possible extend.

    1. Re:Excesses of for-profit health care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No Shit. Insurance is, in general, govt or market mandated gambling. i.e. hedging your health, driving skills, etc.

      No way am I giving my personal information to the house. Just the same as counting cards in my head gives me a small advantage. Giving my day to day information give the house a larger advantage. If I don't, I'm just part of the actuarial mean instead of a high risk group that increases my cost / exposure.

    2. Re:Excesses of for-profit health care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You say that like it is a bad thing, yet haven't actually provided anything to back that up. Catching something early and treating it when it is still a small thing, rather than letting it fester and grow into a huge thing, is a good thing.

      You want me to back up that assertion? Fair enough. Consider this then. Is it better to drill out and fill in a small cavity, or wait and wait and wait until the entire tooth needs to be removed, root and all? Obviously the answer is the former.

      What's that? I still haven't proven it? If you honestly think the latter could possibly be the better option, then I don't know what to tell you.

    3. Re:Excesses of for-profit health care by BradMajors · · Score: 0

      Nope. Obamacare is responsible for this. Obamacare legalized these bad company "wellness" programs.

      You didn't even read the post. It isn't health insurance companies that are collecting this information, it is their employer.

    4. Re:Excesses of for-profit health care by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      The law allowing companies to fuck over employees unless they stuck to a "wellness" program was the 1996 HIPAA, 14 years before ACA/Obamacare.

    5. Re: Excesses of for-profit health care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My employer had these âoewellness programsâ before Obama was elected

    6. Re: Excesses of for-profit health care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      another year a Democrat was in office.

    7. Re: Excesses of for-profit health care by youngone · · Score: 1

      My employer also has a wellness programme. I had not thought that they might be collecting information about staff activities, but now I've read this, I'm sure they are.

    8. Re: Excesses of for-profit health care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who controlled Congress in 1996?

    9. Re:Excesses of for-profit health care by commodore64_love · · Score: 2

      They do the same in the UK too, and that's not a for-profit healthcare model:

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  2. Re:As long as you put a RAPIST on the Supreme Cour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Eat balls, comrade.

  3. Not on the bandwagon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From the article:

                Small businesses still aren't on this bandwagon, with only 5% of them collecting workers' health information.

    They say it like it is a bad thing

  4. good thing the ADA stops them for blacklisting peo by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    good thing the ADA stops them for blacklisting people based on that data.

  5. Just 21%? by nwaack · · Score: 1

    With everyone and their mother now tracking their vitals on something worn around their wrists, I'm kind of surprised it's not north of 30% already.

    1. Re:Just 21%? by dj245 · · Score: 1

      With everyone and their mother now tracking their vitals on something worn around their wrists, I'm kind of surprised it's not north of 30% already.

      It may be higher than that. I've had a couple credit cards get stolen in the last few years. In both cases, the fraud department caught it on the 1st or 2nd fraudulent transaction. These weren't particularly obvious- in both cases, they were swiped at a physical businesses less than 40 miles from my house.

      I suspect that the credit card companies are buying location data from somebody.

      Just because they are using opt-in methods on their own app doesn't mean they aren't also using purchased data from someone else.

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    2. Re:Just 21%? by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily -- someone could have passed a lot of stolen CCs at a given location/time, rendering all transactions of that type suspect.

    3. Re:Just 21%? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      It may be higher than that. I've had a couple credit cards get stolen in the last few years.

      Hmmmm, thinks. I can't remember that happening since the rush-hour underground in Athens in about 2009.

      If it's happening to you on a nearly yearly basis ... I suspect you need to review your personal security behaviours. I do plenty of dodgy things in dodgy places. But I leave the cards in a tamper-evident bag, locked in the safe and use cash while I'm doing it.

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  6. If health information... by forkfail · · Score: 1

    ... then location information. And if location information, then a wealth of information about everything from various preferences to religious practices to social life.

    I guess that the best one can hope for now is that one has a good owner.

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    1. Re:If health information... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Leave your work phone at work. Decline the wearable. They can make you pay more for your insurance but I don't believe they can fire you for refusing to wear it.

    2. Re:If health information... by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      ... then location information. And if location information, then a wealth of information about everything from various preferences to religious practices to social life.

      If you have time to practice religion or have a social life . . . you obviously aren't working enough. Your management will be notified that you need to be assigned more work.

      Speaking of practicing religion . . . do these devices track your sex life, as well . . . ?

      "Your medical data tracking shows that . . . during our company wide "mandatory all hands" two hour conference call . . . you were having one off the wrist."

      "This is important for our company to know, because you will go blind from all those calls that we schedule."

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  7. Re:As long as you put a RAPIST on the Supreme Cour by BradMajors · · Score: 0

    Soros funding at work.

  8. They tried that here by DarkRookie2 · · Score: 1

    They tried that at my job.
    But there was no benefits for you to participate in it.
    Not even a price reduction. Just a CHANCE to win something.

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    1. Re:They tried that here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Be glad. The "benefits" of these programs are usually a slight increase in insurance premiums instead of a massive increase. No benefit is the best case scenario.

  9. I work for a Fortune 100, we have this by pgmrdlm · · Score: 1

    But this company is self insured and has an insurance company monitor and pay claims. We get breaks off our premiums if we participate in the wellness program.
    Why people think this is a bad thing, I don't understand.
    It's not like insurance companies don't already have your health information on file, now is it?

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    1. Re:I work for a Fortune 100, we have this by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because you need to wear a tracking device to get breaks (i.e. not by financially fucked). You can be the healthiest person in the world, walk 10 miles a day, but unless you do it at an approved gym or allow yourself to be tracked like a carrier pigeon, they still fuck you financially. Yet another argument for socialized healthcare -- this crap is unheard of in Europe or Canada, where healthy and unhealthy habits are encouraged/discouraged via taxes built into their costs. (i.e. cigarette taxes, taxes on processed foods, etc)

    2. Re:I work for a Fortune 100, we have this by mrbester · · Score: 1

      Meaning that they monetise your data to make up for the "shortfall" in giving you a "discount" on your premiums. Bonus being it isn't your data anyway. It's theirs, so they can do whatever gets them the most money from it.

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    3. Re: I work for a Fortune 100, we have this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At some point companies will be caught feeding this into your annual performance so they can apply an unrelated metric to lay you off. If you are unhealthy, you better be the top employee to stay on, mediocre health and performance will make you are target

      It will happen, the writting is already there

    4. Re:I work for a Fortune 100, we have this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tallied up the points required to get the break in our "wellness program"

      you get points for thing like tracking your steps, and tracking your sleep... need an average of 40 points a day to get the break on insurance.

      I work in a large building, If I walk from my car to my desk and back each day I'll get 2,000 steps, 20 points if it's tracked, if I sleep at night (any amount) and track it there are 20 points.

      Basically if you work here, and haven't died from lack of sleep you are healthy enough to get the break on insurance premiums... but tracking that's what they are really after, big brother wants to get big data so they can.... do nothing with it.

    5. Re:I work for a Fortune 100, we have this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I work on benefits programs for Fortune 100 companies - 100k+ employers. The parent post is an example of someone not knowing their ass from a hole in the ground. You CANNOT sell biometric data of your employees in the US. You CANNOT sell PII of your employees in the US. If you do, everyone from the press to the feds will be all over you ass as soon as it comes out. Trust me, IT ALWAYS COMES OUT. Stop spreading the FUD.

    6. Re:I work for a Fortune 100, we have this by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      It's not like insurance companies don't already have your health information on file, now is it?

      If your employer self-insures (virtually all that have >200 employees do), then your employer has your health information too.

      Subject to various state regulations, and there are supposed to be restrictions on who can see that data and what they can do with it. Heck, they may only get aggregate information for the entire company. But if a pricey bill for chemotherapy comes in and Jim starts taking a lot of vacation time on those treatment dates, not really hard to put two and two together.

    7. Re: I work for a Fortune 100, we have this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't sell it but you can 'share it with your partners'. Or if you can't manage that you can 'accidentally have a data breach'. If you think your data not being sold means it's not being used by anybody else you are mistaken.

    8. Re:I work for a Fortune 100, we have this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fucking Jim. It's always something with that guy.

    9. Re:I work for a Fortune 100, we have this by Realm+Lord · · Score: 1

      Why people think this is a bad thing, I don't understand.

      It's bait and switch. Most companies I've seen jacked their rate up the year that they started their wellness program, and let you "stay" at the old rate if you did the new program.

      Then of course, prices rise again - but now you are forever held to use their program and give them your data or else face retribution of them taking away your "discount". Certainly, my prices have risen more than the "discount" received from the wellness program.

    10. Re:I work for a Fortune 100, we have this by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      e healthy and unhealthy habits are encouraged/discouraged via taxes built into their costs. (i.e. cigarette taxes, taxes on processed foods, etc)

      Oh, those are in the US too. But they're called sin taxes and the money just goes into the general fund for whatever.

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    11. Re:I work for a Fortune 100, we have this by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      So you have to wear a watch in your sleep that can scratch your face if you typically sleep on your arm? No thanks. I'd make a neighborhood walking service. One person takes a 3-4 mile walk every night with 50 spywatches wrapped around their arm.

    12. Re:I work for a Fortune 100, we have this by GregMmm · · Score: 0

      Socialized medicine? You are correct. The government will f you over, but harder and with much more gusto. And who will you complain to? Right, the government? SOL at that point.

    13. Re:I work for a Fortune 100, we have this by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      In sane countries like Canada, the tax money also funds public health insurance. No need to be intrusive if you can just anonymously tax "bad" habits. I'd much rather pay a sales tax (anonymously, in cash) than be tracked 24/7/365.

    14. Re:I work for a Fortune 100, we have this by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      The government is more accountable to privacy laws -- employers will just say "if you don't like it, pay more or find another job."

      Also, there's less incentive for government to mandate this kind of crap because they can use sin taxes and tax breaks to control health policies.

    15. Re:I work for a Fortune 100, we have this by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 0

      You can't sell it, but you can use it internally to financially screw over your employees or otherwise "punish" them.

    16. Re:I work for a Fortune 100, we have this by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      The government will f you over, but harder and with much more gusto. And who will you complain to?

      My ballot.

      If an insurance company does something you don't like, who are you going to complain to?

    17. Re:I work for a Fortune 100, we have this by Corbets · · Score: 1

      My Swiss insurer gives me a discount for data collected from my Apple Watch. It’s not unheard of over here.

      You Americans and your sweeping generalizations!

    18. Re:I work for a Fortune 100, we have this by ortholattice · · Score: 1

      "taxes on processed foods" triggered me... Some processed foods are good for you, and some unprocessed foods are bad for you. "Processed" in and of itself means nothing. Our cat was fed nothing but heavily processed cat food and lived to 21, which is 142 in cat years, while cats in the wild don't live nearly as long on 100% natural, unprocessed rats and other rodents, in their 100% natural environment.

    19. Re:I work for a Fortune 100, we have this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >this crap is unheard of in Europe or Canada

      That's because it's immoral.

  10. Socialism is the answer. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

    State or national health care is needed.

    Then the state doesn't need to snoop. They can just subsidize healthy habits via tax breaks (e.g. for gyms, reduced hikers' fees at national/state parks, no sales tax on healthy/unprocessed food) while taxing the hell out of unhealthy habits (encourage walking vs driving via congestion fees, tax cigarettes, tax weed, tax booze). Say what you will about taxes, they're a shitload less intrusive and abusive than a private employer knowing what you're doing most of the day, when you sleep, how long you sleep, when you fuck, etc.

    Incentivization/disincentives via taxes is how it works in most of the developed world.

    1. Re:Socialism is the answer. by forkfail · · Score: 0

      Wait, wut?

      In the second sentence of your post which directly advocates socialism, you state:

      Then the state doesn't need to snoop.

      You do understand how socialism works, right?

      Given the power, the state will ALWAYS snoop. Socialism just gives the state all the more reasons and power to do so as we surrender personal responsibility in the name of comfort and safety to the foxes who would rule the hen house.

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    2. Re:Socialism is the answer. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Europe and Canada have stronger privacy protections than the USA. Government snooping is more restricted (by applicable laws) than private employer snooping, which is governed by "if you don't like it, find another job, plebe" here in the good 'ol US of Ay.

    3. Re:Socialism is the answer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The same can be said about corporations.

  11. It's not voluntary if the company penalty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If a company offers a wellness program and charges a surcharge when a wellness visit to a doctor is not performed it is not voluntary. 600$ penalty is not voluntary!

    1. Re:It's not voluntary if the company penalty by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      cvs wellness had an lawsuit as the workers had to pay for the health screening needed.

      Also they wanted to know the level of sexual activity as well.

    2. Re:It's not voluntary if the company penalty by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Level of sexual activity? Constantly being reamed by my employer. WHEEEEE! SQUEEEEAL!

    3. Re:It's not voluntary if the company penalty by forkfail · · Score: 1

      The thought occurs that if there were free form comments, one might write, "High level of activity. In fact, getting ****ed right now!"

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    4. Re: It's not voluntary if the company penalty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Im a pharmacist at CVS. While I hate the company, you never had to pay for screenings if you went to a CVS clinic or to a approved 3rd party clinic.

    5. Re: It's not voluntary if the company penalty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ahhhh... like the ones partnered with Theranos.

  12. forced drivers insurance is not mandated gambling by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    forced drivers insurance is not mandated gambling

  13. Misleading by Baby+Duck · · Score: 1

    Fitbit collects the wearable data. The employer only sees it in aggregate form across its entire employee population. The employer does not collect the health information, nor have access to it in an identifiable way.

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  14. How is this even a story? by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

    The programmes are opt-in, the data collection is also opt-in, and 91% of employers provide no incentives to opt in.

    1. Re:How is this even a story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it's a trend. 21% up from 14% last year. How long before it becomes mandatory? Or at least financially irresistible? It doesn't take long for "Incentives for participation" to become "penalties for non-participation"

    2. Re:How is this even a story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't take long for "Incentives for participation" to become "penalties for non-participation"

      About 10 seconds by my count. Results may vary depending on your typing speed. Functionally, there's no difference.

    3. Re:How is this even a story? by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      No FINANCIAL incentives, but what about HR-speak "weeeeeel, Jim, we might not see you as a team player..."

    4. Re: How is this even a story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not JIM AGAIN!

  15. And that's why you have to lock down your phones. by Noishkel · · Score: 1

    The average consumer duck doesn't have a damn clue about how much data they leak on a daily bases. Which is why it's absolutely vital to make sure everyone you know keeps their systems absolutely locked down. And even better, bin your smart phones all together and just use a dumb phone. Failing that, don't keep your phone logged into anything at all times. I can't speak of Apple products but your average Android phone will work just fine without being logged into any services. It takes a few extra steps but you can log into whatever services you need long enough to use them or update something and just log out. There's no reason to let these big-tech parasites leach away your privacy one byte of monitizable data at a time.

  16. The state will snoop by CQDX · · Score: 0

    Sure they can incentivize you to do healthy things with sin taxes.

    Then some do-gooder writes a law that mandates you wear a tracking device (for your own good) and reduce or withhold medical services if you refuse. Remember in your scenario the state owns all health care services and they write and enforce the laws so you have no choice in the matter.

    At least if a private corporation is tracking you, they don't have the power of the police or taxing agencies to enforce compliance.

    1. Re:The state will snoop by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      If this happened in a socialist society like France or Quebec, people would literally be rioting in the streets. And yes, sometimes mass strikes, riots, and shutdowns are needed to preserve freedom.

  17. Stay away from Fitbit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bought one to keep an eye on my heart rate. Discovered after opening the thing and exchanging multiple emails with support that the device is utterly useless if you're unwilling to join the cult and allow Fitbit to track your data. Couldn't even set the time and use it as a watch without signing up.

    Stupid, stupid, stupid.

    Most people would probably sign up anyway without knowing any better, but there should be an option for those of us who value our privacy to just use local connectivity with a personal device (phone, tablet, computer).

    They suckered money for one sale out of me, but I now warn anyone who'll listen to stay away from the brand.

  18. Not so "voluntary" by sdinfoserv · · Score: 1

    As someone who works for one of these companies that has a "wellness" program, it's not so voluntary. Companies get an insurance break for having a certain percentage of employees participate. In our case, we need 25% employee wellness program participation which includes an online survey asking question about weight, activity levels, eating habits, hobbies - all of which they claim are non-personal. Given that the organization gets a cost reduction for participation levels, you can guess how hard participation is "encouraged"...

    1. Re:Not so "voluntary" by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Online survey? Take a page from Paul Simon's "The Boxer" and lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie ... nothing immoral about lying to thieves.

  19. Re:As long as you put a RAPIST on the Supreme Cour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Cock-bros spend 10 times the amount of money raping the american people as sores.

  20. 21% of large employers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obesity is a problem in the US. So is fat shaming.

  21. Business idea... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

    Instead of a dog walker, be a watch-walker after working hours. Charge a buck per watch per day, put 100 watches on your arms and legs, and go for a nice, relaxing three-mile walk...

  22. Where have I seeb this before? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh yeah, Gattaca, Gattaca!

  23. What a perverse system by DulcetTone · · Score: 1

    Why are employers involved in our healthcare, at all? They need something done and will pay us to do it for them. Why are they managing our health?

    It is like going to Starbucks for a coffee, and when you offer to pay, the barrista asks, "Thanks, but ... aren't you going to house-sit my miniature pinscher?"

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    1. Re:What a perverse system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Health insurance benefits was an employment perk and a way to attract workers at one point in the past. Large employers cover the risk of the pool of employees and farm out the administration of the insurance to an insurance company. Smaller employers pool their employees together and do the same. In general insurance companies are not in the business of exposing themselves to the financial risks of paying for people's health care. That is all on the employers or the federal government for people who are on medicare/medicaid.

    2. Re:What a perverse system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      In general insurance companies are not in the business of exposing themselves to the financial risks of paying for people's health care. That is all on the employers or the federal government for people who are on medicare/medicaid.

      If you lived in a first world country, there would be no insurance companies standing between (and skimming off the profits off every interaction between) health service providers and patients.

      Businesses would be free to focus on their core competencies rather than having a legion of HR drones administering wellness programmes or self-insuring against their employees' health costs. Those cost savings could be returned to the shareholders.

      Employees would be free to choose their doctors, and without the costs imposed by the insurance companies and their premium/deductible-based business model, would be free to spend those savings on consumer goods or paying down their debts.

      Physicians could focus on their core competency: delivering medical care to patients, not spending half their time on paperwork and paying for the overhead of a staff of three billing/coding folks to deal with their patients' respective insurers. The cost savings would ensure that being a doctor continues to be a lucrative profession.

      For those who don't live in a first world country, consider emigrating to one. Free markets of free people with free capital can build free societies..

  24. The Vitality program by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    A lot of employers are now using a program named Vitality, that is ostensibly to improve employee health and reduce their premiums yada yada yada, but we all know they're collecting data with the intent of fucking over people with more serious medical issues, i.e. the "expensive" illnesses.

    No one at my company is being fooled for one second about the end-goals of this program. I don't participate (I'm a contractor and blissfully exempt) but I woldn't even if I could. You have to wear a fitbit-type device ALL THE TIME and there are regular "health screenings" where they get blood and urine samples.

    No one doubts they're looking for illegal substances or indicators of potentially serious health issues coming up- not so they can help you but so management can eventually find a way to get rid of these soon-to-be-expensive employees.

    After all, health insurance companies aren't in business to pay claims...on the contrary, they work hard to deny every claim they can. If you think otherwise, you're a fool.

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