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Scientists Create Healthy Mice With Same-Sex Parents (bbc.com)

Researchers at the Chinese Academy of Sciences were able to make baby mice with two moms and no dad. "The aim of the Chinese researchers was to work out which rules of reproduction they needed to break to make baby mice from same-sex parents," reports the BBC. "That in turn helps understand why the rules are so important." From the report: It was easier with double mums. The researchers took an egg from one mouse and a special type of cell -- a haploid embryonic stem cell -- from another. Both contained only half the required genetic instructions or DNA, but just bringing them together wasn't enough. The researchers had to use a technology called gene editing to delete three sets of genetic instructions to make them compatible (more on that later). The double-dad approach was slightly more complicated. It took a sperm, a male haploid embryonic stem cell, an egg that had all of its own genetic information removed and the deletion of seven genes to make it all work.

The reason we need to have sex is because our DNA -- our genetic code -- behaves differently depending on whether it comes from mum or dad, the study in Cell Stem Cell suggests. And without a female copy and a male copy our whole development gets thrown out of whack. It's called genomic imprinting with parts of the DNA in sperm and parts of the DNA in eggs getting different "stamps" that alter how they work. The bits of DNA carrying these stamps were the ones the researchers had to delete in order to make the baby mice viable.

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  1. Oh, boy by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wait a second while I grab my popcorn.

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  2. Re:I have no fear by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

    I have no fear. My wife still needs me, if only to catch spiders and to splatter her back with sunscreen.

    Sunscreen? Is that what you tell her it is?

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  3. Re:Done Before? by FalcDot · · Score: 3, Informative

    Almost right.

    Our chromosomes exist in pairs, and we have 23 pairs of them.

    On one particular pair, women have two X chromosomes and men have an XY combination. Thus, the most obvious genetic difference between our sexes exists only on one chromosome, which is why in common parliance we refer to "the X chromosome" or "the Y chromosome". But again, in both cases these are part of a pair.

    When reproducing, both parents give one (pretty much randomly selected) of each pair of their own chromosomes to the child.

    Meaning that women always give an X sex chromosome to their child, and men give 50% X and 50% Y.

    Thus, two women will indeed always give two X chromosomes, leading to a girl. Two men will have 25% female children, 50% male children and 25% children with YY chromosomes. A quick google shows that pretty much no-one knows what that would be like. It is not impossible that it would not be viable.

  4. Re:Done Before? by tlhIngan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Thus, two women will indeed always give two X chromosomes, leading to a girl. Two men will have 25% female children, 50% male children and 25% children with YY chromosomes. A quick google shows that pretty much no-one knows what that would be like. It is not impossible that it would not be viable.

    It is widely believed that the Y chromosome, because of its size, is more of a "patch" chromosome. During conception, the X chromosome is "dominant" and the fetus will actually have ovaries and vagina and other female characteristics. However, a little while later, the Y chromosome disables several genes in the X chromosome, and several changes take place. The ovaries "drop" and turn into testicles. Likewise, the vaginal organs and such descend and modify themselves to become the scrotal sac and penis. The Y chromosome patches other genes inside the X chromosome to give other male characteristics.

    Thus, a YY pair will be non-viable as it will lack genes only in the X chromosome.

    And this would also explain things like transgenderism or gender fluidity - the patching process isn't perfect and during development errors can occur.

  5. Re:Of Mice and Men by nukenerd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You want to promote same sex marriages.
    .......

    If you even glance at the article or summary for a moment ... you will learn that Chinese researchers in this experiment were trying to do neither of these things

    Whatever the Chinese researches intended, or did not intend, has nothing to do with it. Others will make of it and use it however they will. In any case I took the GP's "you" as a general one, not just to the researchers, as part of a question addressed to the world at large.

    Peoples' reactions are much more informative .... than anything in the article.

    That applies to your reaction too (and my reaction to your reaction, to save you saying it).

  6. Re:Speaking as a man... by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have never come across anyone claiming the strength distribution curves don't have significant overlap. When people claim men are stronger than women, aren't they just referring to stats like mean, median, maximum, etc.?

    What do you call significant overlap?

    I'd be very surprised if you took a group of same-age individuals- say one hundred 25yo men and 100 25yo women- if more than 10 women were stronger than the weakest 10 men- if we're looking at pure strength. If we're looking at stamina based "strength" challenges that number would probably be higher. There are some things, like ultra-long distance running, where women would actually do better than men... ... but if we're looking at who can lift the most, or who can push harder with their legs... the overlap is surely lower than 10%. I'd be open minded to be convinced otherwise if anyone has any knowledge of studies saying to the contrary.

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