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US Lawmakers Urge Canada To Snub China's Huawei in Telecoms (reuters.com)

Two leading U.S. lawmakers, both sharp critics of China, urged Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Friday to consider dropping China's Huawei Technologies from helping to build next-generation 5G telecommunications networks. From a report: Senators Mark Warner, a Virginia Democrat, and Marco Rubio, a Florida Republican, said they had "grave concern" about the prospects of Huawei equipment in Canada's 5G networks on the grounds that it would pose dangers for U.S. networks. "While Canada has strong telecommunications security safeguards in place, we have serious concerns that such safeguards are inadequate given what the United States and other allies know about Huawei," the lawmakers wrote in the letter to Trudeau. Warner and Rubio are on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

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  1. "Nobody tells us what to do!" [Buys China's stuff.]

    [Insert resignated Pepe meme.]

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    1. Re:Next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Shaddap nazi Trump faggots you retards of no value or consequence are being replaced!" [The entire world]

    2. Re:Next by green1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      except at the usual reaction from the Canadian government is to do exactly anything that the US says. When they say jump, we ask how high?

      which is sad, because this is a very transparent ploy to get Canada to buy more US equipment. It's well known that the US equipment manufacturers have put back doors into their equipment in the past, and yet the Chinese ones have never been caught doing so. So really which one should we trust?

    3. Re: Next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Canada and US are 5-Eyes bros.

    4. Re: Next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The US that wasn't in a trade war with us that didn't call us a national security threat as a matter of policy, we'd probably pay attention.

      But as a Republican president once said: "you're either with us or against us", and apparently you've drawn the battle lines.

      Oh well. You've made your bed. Now sleep in it.

    5. Re: Next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh we can do that just fine. Question is whether you can survive it, as we definitely can. Things have changed a lot since your last fiery visit to Washington DC.

    6. Re:Next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have to forget us vs can on this one. They way China operates is largely based on thieving anyone gullible enough to trust them, and its to the nth degree. They have no hangups about stealing IP or data for that matter because it is not even a moral after thought to them. This is just plain logic.

    7. Re:Next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have to forget us vs can on this one. They way China operates is largely based on thieving anyone gullible enough to trust them...

      Whereas the way the US operates is largely based on thieving anyone gullible enough to trust them, and its to the nth degree. They have no hangups about stealing IP or data for that matter because it is not even a moral after thought to them. This is just plain logic.

    8. Re: Next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, the US is a lot worse off.

      Turns out that the negative repercussions everyone expected are occurring.

      Enjoy being led by the business sense of the guy who doesn't run any of the top 10 hotel chains.

    9. Re: Next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there even any US telecoms equipment?

  2. Selling Nortel's IP back to Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Huawei is built off of what was stolen from Nortel Networks years ago.

    If Canada allows them in, it would show they haven't learned anything since a crown jewel of Canadian IT was taken from them. They should have aggressively fought Huawei's attempts to sell internationally. It never happened. I always wondered why

    1. Re: Selling Nortel's IP back to Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My institution just bought two 100G capable routers.

      We're using them for bgp to our upstream. They basically gave it to us and were way cheaper than Cisco and juniper offerings in their competing platforms.

      Time will tell if they work out though.

    2. Re: Selling Nortel's IP back to Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you found any spyware or backdoors in the equipment yet? You know for a fact from the NSA/CIA leaks that there are in the Cisco and Juniper offerings.

    3. Re: Selling Nortel's IP back to Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are already in. Bell and Telus use them for RAN. Rogers used Ericsson. Rogers was using huawei in western Canada but itâ(TM)s getting replaced now with ericsson

    4. Re: Selling Nortel's IP back to Canada by Shikaku · · Score: 1

      Yeah it's called Android. An American made product, for every cell phone that isn't iPhone. You meant that right?

    5. Re:Selling Nortel's IP back to Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nortel was raped and dismembered by American Vulture capitalists, why you blaming the Chinese?

    6. Re:Selling Nortel's IP back to Canada by kent_eh · · Score: 2

      If Canada allows them in

      All of The Telus cell network is already Huawei. Has been for several years.
      And Much of the Rogers western wireless networks well (though they are in the process of reverting to 100% Ericsson.)

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    7. Re: Selling Nortel's IP back to Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whatâ(TM)s your signum?

    8. Re: Selling Nortel's IP back to Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huawei already has an Ottawa office, 10 km from the ex Nortel site (ironically now owned by DND)

    9. Re:Selling Nortel's IP back to Canada by William+Baric · · Score: 1

      Nortel? A crown jewel of Canadian IT? Really? Will you tell us next that Canadian Tire is the epitome of quality and customer service?

    10. Re: Selling Nortel's IP back to Canada by William+Baric · · Score: 1

      I thought Android was based on Linux and several other open source softwares. Thanks for teaching me that it is instead an American made product.

    11. Re:Selling Nortel's IP back to Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nortel was the king, but the reign was short. And then it was shorted. And then it died.

      People often mistake market cap for greatness... but there was a reason it grew so insanely high. While it fabricated sales figures, it did have solid numbers underneath. But crazy stock prices destroyed all semblance of internal fiscal control, and the board and CEO basically just rode the tiger. Hell, at one time it was more than 40 per cent of the S&P/TSX 60 index

      Then the bubble burst in the early 2000s, and all that capital from stock sales vanished, the party ended -- and their crazy growth (based on a false premise that the bubble wasn't a bubble) couldn't contine.

      Hell, I remember in 2000 -- I was driving past a Nortel office in Ottawa.. and there were two women in bikinis plus a convertible with a sign "Work here, and this car is yours for a year!". I'm sure that made existing employees happy too.

  3. Why does it matter about the brand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    When everything now has boards with chips made in China, why even bother?

  4. I guess you could go with by bobstreo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Samsung, Ericsson and Nokia instead...

    So South Korea, Sweden and Finland instead of China... Unless they get their chips from China of course...

    1. Re:I guess you could go with by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or are assembled in China...

  5. Here's what it translates to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "We claim that Huawei telecom equipment is rigged, but even after a whole decade of accusations there is no proof. Nothing. You know since before that our own equipment is rigged, but we still want you to buy it so we can tap your communications."

  6. and in the other news by hackingbear · · Score: 1

    ... Iraq possesses WMDs pointing at our heads.

    Maybe it is time to review documents from the Snowden leak.

  7. Support your neighbours. by XB-70 · · Score: 2

    Now that USMCA is in place, it is absolutely wrong to buy inferior hacked Chinese equipment when the U.S. has products with superior back doors. Let's support 'MADE IN USA' so that the FBI, CIA etc. etc. can listen in instead of the Chinese.

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    1. Re: Support your neighbours. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Iâ(TM)m tired of this dumb rhetorical question. Why assume being spied on by China preferable? Even if you donâ(TM)t care about joint Canadian/US security, at least the US is less likely to steal your trade secrets and put you out of business.

    2. Re:Support your neighbours. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I understand the irony of you comment but it is also very true. US are Canadian ally, not the Chinese. Maybe we should consider it when choosing telecom equipment that can be switch off during a conflict.

    3. Re: Support your neighbours. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If there is one country that has consistently used back doors and network eavesdropping for industrial espionage on a massive scale, it is the US, especially against companies in countries it claims to count as its allies.

    4. Re: Support your neighbours. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US claim to be an ally of Canada, but in practice they do not act as one.

  8. Whatever happened to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whatever happened to freemarkets? not letting government pick winners and losers? government staying out of private business decisions?

    1. Re:Whatever happened to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean those things you never agreed with in the first place? Yeah what about them?

    2. Re:Whatever happened to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love how this tired trope gets lobed around like conventional wisdom when every government in the history of humanity has immediately picked winners and losers upon gaining power.

  9. To refuse to buy chinese chips? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Two leading U.S. lawmakers urged Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau ...

    Why don't they warn to the another presidents of the world?

    Who are that are selling Trojan Horses to their customers?

  10. You're saying Huawei has no Chinese govt ties? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because they do. It's patently dumb to accept known-backdoored Chinese government branded kit in your national sec infrastructure. What should replace it instead? THAT ought to be the question, not whether Beijing does this.

    1. Re:You're saying Huawei has no Chinese govt ties? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No backdoors or spyware in Huawei telecom equipment has ever been found. There have only ever been accusations, but the people making the accusations (America) has never backed it up. There has however been plenty of proof that their own equipment from Cisco and Juniper among other is backdoored.

  11. How about you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about you go eat a bag of dicks?

    Signed,
    Canada

  12. Such warning might carry more weight... by hyades1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...if it wasn't coming from a treasonous bottom feeder who has consistently turned a blind eye while Russia raped Lady Liberty and put a puppet ruler in the White House. And a Democrat who has proved to be, at best, inept when it comes to managing the worst excesses of Rubio, John Cornyn a couple of other Republicans on that committee.

    As a Canadian, I want to be crystal clear: I am NOT saying China is trustworthy. Far from it. China is one of the most terrifying governments on the planet, with their efforts to meet and exceed George Orwell's worst totalitarian nightmare. I certainly haven't forgotten that the technological sell-out giving this appalling regime access to Nortel's patents is Canada's fault. It occurred under the Conservative Party government of Stephen Harper, Canada's most recent contribution to North America's apparently limitless capacity for breeding treasonous right wing pricks. Speaking of which...Marco Rubio is the last person who should be yapping at another country about security when he has sold out the United States of America without a second thought. And Warner should shut up because he's been such a little bitch while his own country is being sold out from under him.

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    1. Re:Such warning might carry more weight... by dk20 · · Score: 1

      As a fellow canadian i wouldnt mind hearing your first hand experience iwth the "most terrifying government on the planet".
      Clearly you have been there, experienced it first hand and have some interesting "totalitarian" stories to share.

      Signed.. a canadian who actuallly owns a house in there (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilin) and has been there many times.

    2. Re:Such warning might carry more weight... by Miles_O'Toole · · Score: 1

      So you're well aware that if you said what I said, you'd lose your house. If you were actually in it when you said what I said, you'd lose your freedom, too.

      I'm fortunate to know people who lived and grew up there, and got out.

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    3. Re:Such warning might carry more weight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think China's influence is underestimated. They have control of many big Hollywood studios now and don't care about anti-Russian cold war movies. There's really only 2 possibilities here. Either the Chinese are in control or globalists have control of China. Evidence suggests the former.

    4. Re:Such warning might carry more weight... by Stealthey · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As a fellow canadian i wouldnt mind hearing your first hand experience iwth the "most terrifying government on the planet".
      Clearly you have been there, experienced it first hand and have some interesting "totalitarian" stories to share.

      Signed.. a canadian who actuallly owns a house in there (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilin) and has been there many times.

      I generally don't comment much here but I just had to reply to this. I grew up in Punjab, India before migrating to Canada in early 90s. Anyhow, I still vividly remember going to Leh, Ladakh & Dharamshala during my summer vacations. While there one would notice the refugees which at the time looked like outnumbering the locals. All those refugees were either Chinese or Tibetans fleeing Chinese persecutions. It was indeed really a sorry sight, and at the time me and my friends did whatever we could at the moment to help them. We didn't have much cash, but we tried to help by giving whatever we had and also extra clothes that we had for our trip.
      I recall seeing 2-3 year old kids who were rescued by fleeing refugees and nobody knew who they belong to, because Chinese government had killed indiscriminately when annexing Tibet. With annexation of Tibet,Chinese government knew then, that they can do anything and rest of the world either doesn't care or too scared to get involved. Yes there was sanctions and noise...but nothing of effect.

      My second trip the next was literally a helping mission, when we asked for donations from nears and dears to take there. I still remember how much they appreciated getting old clothes, pots and pans. But to the see the suffering of those people was gut wrenching. Indian government was trying to do whatever it could by providing some(barely) medical services etc. But yeah, Chinese government (not people) if not the most terrifying certainly is up there in committing atrocious crimes against its own citizens and that of its neighbors.

      It may very well be that my experiences might have influenced my bias, but Sir, you cannot in good conscience say that Chinese government doesn't commit atrocities. They may very well do lot of good and humane things but that doesn't negate the facts.

      I shall end this with an obvious references to:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    5. Re:Such warning might carry more weight... by dk20 · · Score: 1

      Ah yes.. the classic "Tiananmen" reference. .My wife was there.. Were you or your family?

      Does china do bad things? Yes, absolutly and there is no denying that fact.

      Do we here in North America have a clean track record?

      I'd say things like this were not the best things to do to your own people : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      The dr's and people doing the experiments didnt seem to want to volunteer their own familys, so i guess they had a good idea it wasnt good right?

      Current China is probably similiar to 1950's north america.. polution, McCarthyism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... all that bad stuff.

    6. Re:Such warning might carry more weight... by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      For you, yes. The government isn't going to mess with a foreigner who has no political agenda. Try starting an anti-government protest though, you'll be deported faster than you can say "but article 35 of the Chinese Constitution promises the right to freedom of speech and assembly!"

      Though I agree the government is probably the least of people's worries. If you work in a tier 1 city, education, healthcare, housing, transportation are all insanely expensive for anyone with a Chinese income and you actually need those to live.

    7. Re:Such warning might carry more weight... by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      Thank you for that. It's pretty clear we've uncovered a Chinese troll account. We're far from the only ones here who actually know Chinese people who have fled that odious regime, often carrying no more than the clothes on their back.

      Few people find themselves at a place and time where they can make a real difference to the lives of others. Fewer still act. I honour you for your service.

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    8. Re:Such warning might carry more weight... by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      Don't bother with this creep. Look at his other comments on this thread. It couldn't be more obvious he's a Chinese government troll.

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    9. Re:Such warning might carry more weight... by dk20 · · Score: 1

      thats right.. i am at my house in Canada at the moment.. but you spotted the "chinese troll" account.. You and your friends going to do some "area 51" research later tongiht too?

      because someone has a different opinion then you doesnt make them a "troll"..

      Same post i made earlier.. Do share some of your own FIRST HAND experience from your time in China.. What.. Never been there.. Shocked.. Shocked i tell you...

      My long term girlfriend is Chinses.. and yes, she fled china as well (for many reasons)... but it isnt nearly as bad as many make it out to be. her family is still there, she goes back several times a year to see them.

      Most chinese are more interestsed in making money then taking about their government.. unlike here, where we seem to enjoy taking about their government a lot.. mostly from people who have never been there..

  13. Justin Trudope will be too busy... by dstyle5 · · Score: 1, Troll

    hitting his bong every day now that his boyhood dream of pot being legalized dream has come true. Maybe he will embarrass us on the world stage again soon. Dare to dream.

    Perhaps we'll see him in Doritos and Mountain Dew or McDonald's commercials soon.

    1. Re:Justin Trudope will be too busy... by Miles_O'Toole · · Score: 1

      Harper was our national embarrassment, and all the fascist cocksuckers who supported him.

      Please try to keep up.

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    2. Re:Justin Trudope will be too busy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buried under a pile of the preceding governments mae-west cakes they took to soldiers on the front :D

  14. Nice try Ivan-chong san. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's one example of a few that are publicly known among people who can read. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/11/chinese-company-installed-secret-backdoor-on-hundreds-of-thousands-of-phones/

    1. Re:Nice try Ivan-chong san. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wut? arstechnica.com is an anti-russia anti-china pro-america echo-chamber with a massive flavor of typical American pettiness. Reading that site and in particular Sean Gallagher's articles is like being back in McCarthy times.

      That some small company put adware and trackers onto other companies' Android handsets -- doing exactly what Google is already doing in Android -- does not prove that Huawei telecom equipment is backdoored.

      Again, where's the proof?

    2. Re:Nice try Ivan-chong san. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a backdoor home-phone beacon on Huawei phones put there by a Chinese affiliate. You can dither, you can whine, you can gnash your teeth and pretend it doesn't exist, but that's just one example. Google it, lazy Ivan.

      Saying "whattabout google" is just making your tactics more obvious Ivan hoes. You said there were none, that's just one of at least 4 publicly widely reported campaigns out of dozens. Educate yourself, again, don't be lazy
      and then crown yourself a stable genius in one fell swoop.

  15. A potential blow to the Canadian job market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Huawei has a presence with their office located in Ottawa, Ontario where quite a lot of development takes place. For Canada, a country that's having less and less ASIC development presence as years continue to go by, it would be a blow to the industry from that stand point.

    I'm not taking sides as to whether that Huawei is an ethical company (although many have questioned their labor practices of their employees in China), but if you look at ASIC development in Canada, you don't really get that much of a choice of employers in that field.

    This is why many Canadians flock to the US for employment.

  16. An honest politician? by spaceyhackerlady · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure if Justin is an honest politician.

    One that stays bought.

  17. Suck my maple syrup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    America can eat my bannock and suck my maple syrup.

    You want to insinuate "your" trading disagreements into "our" international affairs? Then shut the fuck up and sit down at the table to negotiate a fair and honest trade deal first.

  18. US vs China by sit1963nz · · Score: 2

    BOTH contain spyware. The US has a long history of doing the things they accuse china of, and they do it to their so called allies just as quick. So now you look at who is being the bigger asshole.....and currently that is the USA.

    1. Re:US vs China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For sure. But America is China's bitch now because they control it's debt and much of Hollywood. Even the deep state imbeciles - just greedy, wealthy, power hungry landed genocidal idiots - deep state feels Chinese controlled.

    2. Re:US vs China by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      Given that China copies foreign products you should assume that the American installed back doors are still there.

    3. Re:US vs China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you don't get it. They don't intend to just spy on you, they hopefully want to steal your tech and profit off it. They have no concept of IP rights. I can't emphasize this enough, they do not (want) to understand your rights as an IP holder, and have no problem screwing you.

    4. Re:US vs China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The same is true for China to some extent, though.

  19. Ovtober 17th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    October 17th is a great day in Canada, Justin Trudeau will have something more important to do this week... this request will be ignored.

  20. US' way of spying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    China has got Huawei.
    US has:
    Intel (Intel Management Engine)
    AMD (PSP)
    Google (Everything they do)
    Cisco (Everything they do)
    Microsoft (Their OS, browser)
    Facebook (Their entire business model)

  21. Australia complied with the request by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No proof, but Australia said no, even though Huawei said they could do a complete audit.
    Interestingly Huawei said the Euro sounding brands BOARDS were all made in China.
    So made in China or Made in China - you choose if you want 5G.

  22. Here's what it translates to ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... Canada, we need your help.

    We are your friendly neighbor down South, and we are giving you a deal you cannot refuse.

    We need you to help our NSA to totally infest Canada.

    If you help us, we promise we only spy on your proletariat.

    If you decide not helping us, we will spy on your elites, your politicians, your businesses, and all level of your government.

    Canada, we trust you to keep us in friendly terms.

  23. Canada isn't subject to the US Senators' opinions by gavron · · Score: 1

    It's cute that they can't get along on anything meaningful, like putting a second rapist on the Supreme Court, nor can they actually get the Senate itself to do or say anything together, but two senators (1% of the US Senate) can "urge Canada" to not use a vendor because "we said so."

    Canada has its own researchers, which use science to determine whether a vendor is worth doing business with, not voodoo. Canada has its own parliament, which other than the obvious advantage of having people who are still alive practicing politics, and not trying to return to 1973, allows a wide range of opinions to circulate.

    Frankly the US would be better off if we listened to Canadian opinions, and not those of evil old men hell bent on destroying our freedoms like Mitch Mcconnel, Lindsey Graham, and Chuck Grassley. These evil old men have one goal in mind -- remove women's rights. Everything else is to be mowed down in this quest to restore the past.

    Go, Canada!

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  24. Re:Canada isn't subject to the US Senators' opinio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, about that. Justin Trudeau just made Canada the 51st state.

  25. Re:Canada isn't subject to the US Senators' opinio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The 51st state to legalize cannabis dude!

  26. There is no need for this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The members of Canada's cell phone oligopoly (Bell, Rogers, Telus) don't compete much with each other and provide terrible service.

    All three won't be buying anything (from Huawei or any other vendor) to upgrade their mobile networks anytime soon. It's so much easier for them to provide terrible service and charge too much.

    Compared to the rest of the world, Canada's mobile networks are slow and expensive. And they've been that way for more than 20 years.