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Google CEO Tells Senators That Censored Chinese Search Engine Could Provide 'Broad Benefits' (theintercept.com)
Google CEO Sundar Pichai has refused to answer a list of questions from U.S. lawmakers about the company's secretive plan for a censored search engine in China. From a report: In a letter newly obtained by The Intercept, Pichai told a bipartisan group of six senators that Google could have "broad benefits inside and outside of China," but said he could not share details about the censored search engine because it "remains unclear" whether the company "would or could release a search service" in the country. Pichai's letter contradicts the company's search engine chief, Ben Gomes, who informed staff during a private meeting that the company was aiming to release the platform in China between January and April 2019. Gomes told employees working on the Chinese search engine that they should get it ready to be "brought off the shelf and quickly deployed."
[...] In his letter to the senators, dated August 31, Pichai did not mention the word "censorship" or address human rights concerns. He told the senators that "providing access to information to people around the world is central to our mission," and said he believed Google's tools could "help to facilitate an exchange of information and learning." The company was committed to "promoting access to information, freedom of expression, and user privacy," he wrote, while also "respecting the laws of jurisdictions in which we operate."
[...] In his letter to the senators, dated August 31, Pichai did not mention the word "censorship" or address human rights concerns. He told the senators that "providing access to information to people around the world is central to our mission," and said he believed Google's tools could "help to facilitate an exchange of information and learning." The company was committed to "promoting access to information, freedom of expression, and user privacy," he wrote, while also "respecting the laws of jurisdictions in which we operate."
They've forgotten the 'Don't'.
Ayyyyy!
I'll get us used to the idea that censorship is acceptable and good for society. *sarcasm*
In his letter to the senators, dated August 31, Pichai did not mention the word "censorship" or address human rights concerns.
Yeah, they try to talk around what they do in the US too, always using a euphemism like "filtering" instead.
A censored search engine could provide broad benefits to Google, for sure...
AKA we will get more money for releasing this
We like money.
And nothing else.
http://progressquest.com/spoltog.php?name=Son+Of+Son+Of+DarkRookie
Connecting Google search to China with any sort of link between Google and China is something that poises a potential risk. I thought China had its own seach engine and they were fine with that having far more control?
What's the matter with Page and Brin? Do they worship Mammon that devotedly? Don't they care that Google (Alphabet) is rapidly becoming one of the most hated companies ever? Don't they care about reaching the levels of despicability of Microsoft and Apple?
What's your new motto - Be as Obnoxious as Possible?
To be fair, whoever provides China search services is going to be subject to political censorship rules. If you forbid political censorship by US companies doing business overseas, non-US companies will fill the void. That's even worse.
Table-ized A.I.
Here is the money quote:
In individuals this behavior is known as pathological lying.
Benefits for broads, that's what I call them.
Funny how if someone conspires to murder someone it's conspiracy to murder, but if someone conspires to fuck entire nations and commit awful warcrimes as a direct result it's just called business.
Censor or not, it's a great way to determine what "they" are after.
I say Chinese data is fair game.
alphabets bottom line. For the people behind this search engine, not so much.
I guess the next step is proving "alternative revisionist history" where legitimate search requests are redirected to "the party line" search responses. No tank guy, no Chinese purge results, no Free Tibet, no criticism of any government official.
And of course the natural response of more donations of fertilizer and organs, and more expensive use of bullets in response to "Bad Queries" categorized and reported...
Rationalizing like the damned (that they are)
Just. Wow, Google. You're up there in the Big Leagues now, Google, right alongside R.J. Reynolds, Monsanto, and Mylan.
You have to admit, it's an impressive amount of internal mental hacking necessary to compartmentalize your own ethics, morals, and values, so you can reap as much profit as possible, regardless of the consequences to everyone else. I can't imagine being able to do that. I will admit that I've thought more than once that the only thing standing between me and being wealthy, is this pesky 'conscience' I've got. Well done, Google, well done.
</extreme_sarcasm>
(included for the clueless who don't understand)
I don't live in California, so all I've got is what I read in both mainstream and not-so-mainstream media, but it looks for all the world like they think they're some sort of gods out there and that the same rules don't apply to all Americans don't apply to them. That's sad. I know some people who have worked for Google or are still there and have risen up through the ranks, and I know they're individually good people...but wow. Brazenly lying to the United States Government in the face of evidence to the contrary...and not just about (for lack of a better word) silly things like money and accounting tricks, but about real fundamental mom-and-apply-pie stuff like freedom of speech and freedom of thought. That's awful. And it is the result of hubris.
The biggest red flag on any resume, the biggest mark of shame, ought to be Google in your work history.
If someone is leaving Google and looking for a new job and then they had better be doing so because their conscience told them to. Otherwise?
No hire!
qmap.pub --it's all in there, check it out...
When the king heard the words of the Book of the Law he tore his robes.2Kings22:11
Of course. The benefits are to Google's bottom line not the people of China.
The benefits are to Google's employee political ideology too. They can censor all that "offensive" stuff in the US too, help ensure that the "correct" people are elected to office.
Seriously, we already have internal emails where they propose and/or try to do this. Won't having this new censorship technology facilitate such desires?
IBM helped Nazi's and made billions. Decades later, it was fined millions dollars. Google CEO now has to decide whether it is worth making 100s of Billions of dollars at a risk of paying 100s of millions of dollar fine decades later. Tough question.
Working with a Communist party is not good for freedom, the pursuit of happiness.
Removing words, banning search terms and reporting users to Communists is not the way to grow a brand.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
"Aw, fuck it, let's be evil."
At the end of the day, the Chinese government will either pay Google to develop it or Alibaba or Tencent to develop it. This way, Google has a foot in the door.
I don't see it as compromising values at all. Google cannot participate in the issues in China in any way if they have no presence. Some presence brings them into the game, even if the rules are different.
Google could act as a contract spy agency for the CIA inside of China? Take a play from China's playbook ....
You would think with the owners of Google being Jewish they would understand what its like to be hunted down and destroyed because of their beliefs, the Nazis could not of done it with help from these guys
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
they didnt kill their brethren just arranged the transportation so everything was cool..wasn't it ?
"We're not evil.... Oh, wait, we are now!"
Beware of Sales Reps bearing gifts.
I can't wait for everything, everywhere to be censored as hate speech. Ahhh the silence...
It's true. Google has very little experience with releasing search engines. We should totally believe him.
Google are pathetic beyond belief. Apple is in a close second with cook wrapping his kisser around that teat.
Let us try another example, `if we don`t sell crack to kids someone else will and this way we have a foot in the door so we can help fight the under 18 crack problem`
pichai should be fired. He's turned Google (once a well respected company) into the equivalent of a dodgy IT outsourcing company. You know those guys who always bullshit the truth. First we had Project Maven, the the leaks of data from Google+ which was hushed up; now dragonfly - which is also hushed up. I wonder how much other stuff is being done that pichai ain't going to admit to unless he's caught.
I'm sure it will have broad benefits to Google's bank account, both inside and outside of China. This is a new ethical low for Google. They are willing to blatantly facilitate human rights violations by a volatile autocratic regime, and at the same time have the gall to lie to US Senators about it just to make a quick buck.
... testbed for rolling out to the rest of the world after. NSA officials are foaming already over their future toys.
Bach says it all.
... than Sundar's lies are the inane comments found here. Why did I think someone would say something thoughtful or interesting here?
Google is not what it seems by Julian Assange. Hey, remember when Wikileaks was popular? Before they started talking about Gamergate and Hillary Clinton? Then suddenly no one followed them anymore and you never heard about them again.
As Google Spins, So Does Silicon Valley. Google trained the public relations departments of many major Silicon Valley companies. The public relations departments control what information the executives hear from the public, controlling their decision making process by proxy.
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https://www.scmp.com/video/chi...
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https://www.theguardian.com/wo...
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018...
https://www.hrichina.org/en/pr...
https://qz.com/1129837/human-r...
https://chinachange.org/2017/1...
https://www.sciencealert.com/c...
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