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Amazon Doles Out Freebies To Juice Sales of Its Own Brands (bloomberg.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: Amazon cracked down on fake reviews two years ago by prohibiting shoppers from getting free products directly from merchants in exchange for writing reviews. It was a major turning point for the world's largest online retailer, which had previously seen "incentivized reviews" as a key way for consumers to discover new products. Amazon changed course because it realized some merchants were using such reviews to game its search algorithm, undermining faith in the customer feedback that helps drive e-commerce.

Amazon instead used its "Vine" program, in which Amazon serves as a middleman between prolific Amazon reviewers and vendors eager for exposure. Amazon would still allow freebies in exchange for feedback so long as there was no direct contact between its retail partners and reviewers, theoretically lessening the chance of quid-pro-quo. Amazon would select shoppers eligible for the program, and Amazon vendors would pay a fee and provide free products to participate. But there was an important group excluded from the Vine program: independent merchants who supply about half the goods sold on the site.

Now those excluded merchants and review watchdogs are alleging Amazon is guilty of the review manipulation the company said it was trying to prevent. Amazon uses Vine extensively to promote a fast-growing assortment of its own private-label products, distributing free samples to quickly accumulate the reviews needed to rise in search results and boost shopper faith in making a purchase. It gives Amazon a big advantage when introducing its own brands over third-party merchants who are more vulnerable to Amazon's private-label competition than prominent brands already in stores.

37 comments

  1. Bezos is a theif by Hognoxious · · Score: 0

    in which Amazon serves as a middleman between prolific Amazon reviewers and vendors eager for exposure.

    Bezos is keeping all the good stuff for himself and selling it on fleabay.

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    1. Re:Bezos is a theif by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i before e,
      except after c,
      or when sounded as "a,"
      as in neighbor and weigh

    2. Re:Bezos is a theif by sexconker · · Score: 1

      i before e,
      except after c,
      or when sounded as "a,"
      as in neighbor and weigh

      Their
      Science

    3. Re: Bezos is a theif by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like Jeff. He gets me my stuff in a timely manner.

    4. Re:Bezos is a theif by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Sheila O'Neill.

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    5. Re:Bezos is a theif by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  2. Re: Amazon can blow me. Get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, you sound angry! Perhaps you should be gayer.

  3. Looking out for their own interests by Enigma2175 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wow, a company is putting its own interests ahead of other companies? Is anyone surprised by this? They aren't a public service that is required to treat each company that sells through their site equal treatment, they are a corporation doing what corporations do - making money. Next up, we'll discuss the OUTRAGE of water that is wet.

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    1. Re:Looking out for their own interests by commodore64_love · · Score: 3

      Well the reviews are supposed to be neutral, so people can trust what they are buying. Amazon is betraying that trust in the reviews.

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    2. Re:Looking out for their own interests by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      In their defense, they do at least mark the Vine reviews.

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    3. Re:Looking out for their own interests by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      In their defense, they do at least mark the Vine reviews.

      Quite prominently, unless that has changed.

      The first time I saw it, it was so prominent that I of course checked out what it was (they provided a link), and from then on I took those with the appropriate grain of salt.

      Seemed reasonable enough.

  4. review integrity by rogoshen1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Allowing people to edit reviews after the fact is probably just as bad in terms of having a trustworthy platform.

    Case in point:
    I bought a cheap xbox 360 compatible controller from some rando Chinese company. It of course, was a total piece of shit. (battery terminals had a faulty contact, thumb-stick's were lacking in sensitivity. poor battery life etc) -- it was just materially inferior in every way to a proper model.

    So I post a scathing review; stating these facts. A few days later I get a message from the company offering to refund my purchase entirely (and let me keep the item) If i'd change the review to at least 4 stars, and list something positive about it.

    I'm assuming this is a pretty common practice. And a consumer lacking scruples might just go ahead and take the bait.

    1. Re:review integrity by iamgnat · · Score: 1

      Allowing people to edit reviews after the fact is probably just as bad in terms of having a trustworthy platform.

      Case in point: I bought a cheap xbox 360 compatible controller from some rando Chinese company. It of course, was a total piece of shit. (battery terminals had a faulty contact, thumb-stick's were lacking in sensitivity. poor battery life etc) -- it was just materially inferior in every way to a proper model.

      So I post a scathing review; stating these facts. A few days later I get a message from the company offering to refund my purchase entirely (and let me keep the item) If i'd change the review to at least 4 stars, and list something positive about it.

      I'm assuming this is a pretty common practice. And a consumer lacking scruples might just go ahead and take the bait.

      I don't know if it's common, but I had it happen once. I simply forwarded their request to Amazon and left the review as it was.

      On the flip side I've also had a company respond to a bad review (which had more to do with the stupid rounded edges phones MUST have now rather than the screen protector I was applying). They offered me an early version that they were about to release specifically to address my complaint. Had I accepted I would guess that they would have appreciated an update, but there was no ask for it.

      As to editing in general, I think it is very useful. The most helpful, to me, reviews are where people have come back and reported their on-going impression. Most things can get through a few days, but how does it stand up over time? It's also very possible that your rating value could change based on that on going experience too. Maybe they need some way to allow the updates, but in a way that still shows their original comments and rating. That way you could spot what you are worried about easier.

    2. Re:review integrity by commodore64_love · · Score: 3

      I had the buffet in Cosmopolitan Las Vegas do the same thing. "We'll allow you to have a second dinner, no charge, if you remove your review from Yelp." It makes me wonder if this is common practice.

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    3. Re:review integrity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Report that.

    4. Re:review integrity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anther reason to edit reviews:

      A while ago I got a product and I happened to be drunk at the time and couldn't get it to work and left a bad review. I wasn't long-winded, but I basically said it's garbage. That review is one I would ignore as a disgruntled outlier if I were reading it.

      It is a bit tricky, but it is certainly not "garbage", I've been meaning to go back and see if I can edit it. If not, maybe I'll add another review. It deserves at least 3 stars, maybe 4.

      I usually try to be fair when reviewing products.

    5. Re:review integrity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's when you change the review to 4 stars and accept the refund. Then, once you get the refund, change it back to 1 star and describe exactly what happened in your review.

    6. Re:review integrity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "After the first one, why would I want another?"

    7. Re:review integrity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I left a bad review for an Amazon product a few weeks ago and they straight up called me on the phone using the phone number associated with my account to try and "assist me with the problems I experienced" and reconsider the score I had given their product. It was a gross violation of privacy as far as I was concerned.

    8. Re:review integrity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should have taken them up on it. Once the refund process, change the review again revealing everything that happened. Bonus points if you left it at 4 stars, and made it snarky. Really great product, despite problems xyz they gave me a full refund for changing my review to 4 stars. Would get again next time I need a paperweight.

  5. What does that mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Amazon has Sales of Juices, which are all Amazon branded? And those sales get freebies? I'm confused...

  6. Re:Amazon can blow me. Get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lol fag

  7. Vine reviewers are all on the gravy train by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They all give four or five star reviews, no matter how terrible the product is. If they start giving negative reviews, the free merch might stop flowing. So everything is great, regardless of how shitty it is. For instance, here is a four star review of a glove dispenser that the Vine reviewer (and several other customers) say is too large for most boxes of gloves. Four stars for something that didn't work at all:

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R29FWBNLLM6SJ2/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B071FJ96P2

    1. Re: Vine reviewers are all on the gravy train by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice referral link, BITCH

    2. Re: Vine reviewers are all on the gravy train by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because "ref" in the URL must mean it's a referral link, right?

      Idiot.

  8. Re:Amazon can blow me. Get by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd love to see them broke up like AT&T.

    Amazon has 4% of the retail market. For online retail, they have 30%.

    They are no where near a monopoly. Almost anything Amazon sells, you can buy elsewhere.

    Comparing Amazon to AT&T is silly.

  9. FYI: In the book world, this is accepted practice by mschuyler · · Score: 2

    Publishers Weekly (for bookstores) and Library Journal (for libraries), as well as other reviewing platforms, such as Kirkus Reviews, commonly receive advanced copies to send out for review. The deal is that the reviewer gets to keep the book. In the case of galleys, which are often printed on newsprint, or other 'advanced copy' formats, the publisher is obligated to send a final bound copy to the reviewer when it is available. It's one of the best ways publishers can advertise their books without a huge advertising budget, which is reserved for bestselling authors where the return is greater. This seen as 'fair payment' for a review and never considered as somehow unfair or unethical.

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  10. I would be happy to accept by bobstreo · · Score: 1

    an 82 inch television, and a years worth of free food to clean up some of my previous reviews.

  11. Re:Amazon can blow me. Get by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 1

    What's it like to be an insane psychopath?

    They're not a monopoly.

    You don't like their practices. Got it.

    Wishing for someone to be kidnapped by "crazies" tells me you're pretty fucking crazy yourself.

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  12. Ok, is this a pun? by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    Dole? Juice? Maybe I've been reading too many Arstechnica articles from that Beth gal.

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  13. Re:Amazon can blow me. Get by rtb61 · · Score: 1

    Only if they are serious, if it is satirical ie likening working at Amazon to being kidnapped by crazies and having to ransom yourself out by forced labour, then kind of funny. Does Bezos come off as infinitely greedy, yeah, kinda. Needs to do much more to look after the people making him his fortune, unlikely to happen. Probably a lot of his staff would be content to see Bezos kidnapped by crazies and never return, to be replaced by an employer that realises, their employees make the companies money.

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  14. Re: Amazon can blow me. Get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Amazons were chicks tho. Ergo not gay.

  15. Vine Voice Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a Vine Voice (reviewer) for ~7 years, my experience was that there was absolutely no pressure or incentive to give positive reviews to products regardless of whether they were Amazon's brands or not. The algos they used to select who got offered the shiny products were not disclosed, but did not seem to me (or anyone I communicated with on the Vine forum) to be disproportionately offered to reviewers who routinely rated products more positively. Also, I had written several 1 and 2-star reviews at the time I was offered membership in Vine. To Amazon's credit, they ran the program pretty well until they switched to a revolving list of items you can select instead of limiting people to 2 or 4 per month. This promoted fake reviews as people wanted to churn through their lists fast, as you could only have so many outstanding products awaiting reviews. It went further downhill when they decided to permit members to sell the products they received, further promoting fake reviews. Why open your product to review it if you can sell it for twice as much NIB? This was done in response to Amazon distributing 1099 forms to anyone who received more than $600 in products in a year. This also negatively impacted the quality of reviews from Vine since it made reviewers less apathetic to whether they thought they would actually want/use/like the product. Although it did help in some ways, since before items were taxed you might see a review for a $2000 saxaphone to the effect of "My 5-year old grandson loves this saxphone so much. It is very shiny. I think it will sound really great when he learns to play it because it seems so well made."

    The sheer volume of fake, misleading, biased, or unhelpful reviews on the site has severely impeded the main reason that used to attract me (and most of the people I know) to Amazon. The reviews can still be worth reading despite having to weed through a bunch of useless ones, but the star ratings have become almost meaningless. Amazon does try to aggressively combat this issue, but they don't seem to be winning the battle. After 1000+ reviews (mostly Vine), I was red-flagged by their system for violating some TOS (they would not specify, but I think it was because I tried to sell a used product on Amazon that I had reviewed for Vine) and all my reviews were deleted. Thus, I could no longer continue to participate in the program. No one at Amazon seemed interested in spending 5 minutes to actually read any of my reviews to help restore the output of countless hours of work and tens of thousands of dollars invested by companies participating in Vine. This happened to dozens of other Vine Voices who were caught up in the massive purges Amazon was routinely exacting upon reviewers.

  16. Re:Amazon can blow me. Get by Seven+Spirals · · Score: 1

    Dunno, what's it like to be an asshole with no sense of humor? I'm sure Bezos is glad that he's got at least one lil' bitch out there rooting for his greedy ass.

  17. Re: Amazon can blow me. Get by Seven+Spirals · · Score: 1

    Wow, you sound idiotic. Maybe you should dispose of yourself quietly?

  18. Amazon Doles Out Freebies To Juice Sales... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doles...Juice... I see what you did there...:)