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Major Facebook Investors Want Mark Zuckerberg Out as Chairman (cnbc.com)

Major Facebook investors, including public pension funds and state officials, are pushing for Mark Zuckerberg's ouster as chairman of the company's board. From a report: The proposal is largely symbolic, since Zuckerberg holds absolute control of the board. But it comes at a difficult time for Facebook, as security breaches plague the company and spur questions around corporate oversight. "We need Facebook's insular boardroom to make a serious commitment to addressing real risks -- reputational, regulatory, and the risk to our democracy -- that impact the company, its share owners, and ultimately the hard-earned pensions of thousands of New York City workers," New York City Comptroller Scott Stringer said in a statement to CNBC. Stringer joined a previous motion by Trillium Asset Management in calling for Zuckerberg to step down.

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  1. And replaced with Satan himself by nwaack · · Score: 4, Funny

    As for their reasoning, they stated, "The Dark Lord would be less evil and have much more charisma than Zuckerberg."

    1. Re:And replaced with Satan himself by originalGMC · · Score: 0

      Satan died bro. We all pray to Cthulhu now.
      “That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.”

    2. Re: And replaced with Satan himself by TimMD909 · · Score: 1

      I love that South Park episode!

    3. Re:And replaced with Satan himself by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      To the main point. Is anyone really qualified to manage a company the size of Facebook?
      Most of the social media companies who were from the normal tech companies seemed to have failed (or just going by as a shadow of its former self)
      Google+
      MySpace
      Digg
      Slashdot
      MSN
      AOL
      Prodigy
      CompuServe

      Facebook was able to stay strong for so long. Even with all its faults and evilness people are still using it. Because much like Microsoft there are other options but such options just don't have the userbase to make it useful.
       

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    4. Re:And replaced with Satan himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In all fairness, a dog turd on the sidewalk has more charisma than zuck.

    5. Re:And replaced with Satan himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This may be true, yet I doubt anyone saying that has ever met the man. In otherwords, it's bullshit.

    6. Re: And replaced with Satan himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So it may be true, but, it's bullshit.

    7. Re: And replaced with Satan himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's true bullshit!

    8. Re:And replaced with Satan himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may be onto something. We need 9 volunteers to throw Zuck into Mount Doom.

    9. Re: And replaced with Satan himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dog shit, bull shit, lizard shit. we're all shit on any way you slice it.

    10. Re:And replaced with Satan himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MSN was huge, it might still be around if Microsoft hadn't scuttled it. People had already migrated or were migrating to facebook, Microsoft buys Skype, Microsoft closes down MSN, people migrate to or stay on facebook rather than migrate to Skype. Skype is/was big too but it's associated with phone calls abroad and video calls, not leaving it open all the time for keyboard chat.

      MSN was also "proprietary server, open source clients" decade and a half ago, even though unintended.
      In the end I've just not chatted on the Internet anymore for so many years. Only when there's a technical friend to chat with and we temporarily use something ad hoc. (had access to a private IRC server that ran for many years until it didn't exist anymore)
      Ah yes there are smartphones but well, I must be the only one who feels isolated when using one. Too big as a phone, too small to write on easily (so, those 6.0" phones surely make sense), few apps (F-Droid only) and I don't feel like paying for mobile Internet.

  2. Someone else would be better? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Informative

    ... as security breaches plague the company and spur questions around corporate oversight.

    Because Mark is doing a bad job actually coding the security fixes? Maybe they can get another CEO to do the cyber security work. :-)

    "We need Facebook's insular boardroom to make a serious commitment to addressing real risks -- reputational, regulatory, and the risk to our democracy -- that impact the company, its share owners, ...

    Um... Zuckerberg is the majority (or largest) shareholder. From The Top Shareholders of Facebook:

    The founder and "face" of Facebook indirectly holds around 14.18 million Class A Facebook shares in a series of funds, as of July 25, 2018. Zuckerberg also owns a whopping 441.6 million Class B shares. Control over nearly 89% of the Class B shares, gives Zuckerberg 60% voting rights in the company.

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    1. Re:Someone else would be better? by ole_timer · · Score: 1

      if the other shareholders only have two shares, and the company is public, he has a raft of SEC regs to live up to - and shareholder lawsuits...so what if he's majority owner

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    2. Re:Someone else would be better? by sycodon · · Score: 1

      I seem to recall that there are legal recourses for minority stockholders who can show that the majority stock holder and board leadership are not acting in the best interest of all stock holders.

      They have a fiduciary duty to look out for all stock holders.

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    3. Re:Someone else would be better? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "They have a fiduciary duty to look out for all stock holders."

      Yes, maximize profits. Appearing ethical is very important, but not being ethical because that doesn't maximizes profits.

    4. Re:Someone else would be better? by epine · · Score: 1

      Zuckerberg also owns a whopping 441.6 million Class B shares. Control over nearly 89% of the Class B shares, gives Zuckerberg 60% voting rights in the company.

      You'd think his giant position would incentivize him to be less of a dork. Except, Fratbook. Once an ogler, always an ogre.

  3. But why now Krusty? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not 10 years ago?? And why can't we have the entire rotten pervert grid completely disbanded by order of pain of death?
    Death to Farce Book

  4. fucking commies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He made the damn company, he can run it how he wants.

    1. Re:fucking commies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He made the damn company, he can run it how he wants.

      Shut the fuck up before someone shoves a big black cock in your mouth, Trumptard.

    2. Re:fucking commies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, actually, he didn't make the company. Obama himself said so:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    3. Re:fucking commies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of Brett Kavanaugh's friends works at Facebook and he needs to be skewered. Zuck wasn't up to the task so now it's our turn just like it should have been two years ago.

    4. Re:fucking commies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He made the damn company, he can run it how he wants.

      Shut the fuck up before someone shoves a big black cock in your mouth, Trumptard.

      Such hate.

    5. Re: fucking commies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck yeah - you tell 'em, Ivan!

  5. Good luck with that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Given that Zuckerberg completely controls facebook due to the dual-class share structure, unless you find him in bed with a live boy or a dead girl Zuckerberg will remain in complete control.

  6. only as chariman by jbmartin6 · · Score: 2

    Only ousted as chairman, not as CEO. So even more symbolic than the article says.

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    1. Re:only as chariman by olsmeister · · Score: 1

      Chairman and CEO should always be split anyway.

    2. Re:only as chariman by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Only ousted as chairman, not as CEO. So even more symbolic than the article says.

      That's because that's how it works. The shareholders own the company, and they appoint a board of directors to manage the company on their behalf. They choose a chairman to lead the board.

      The board then appoints an executive team (CxO) to manage the day to day operations of the company and represent the board (and by extension, the shareholders).

      At best, the shareholders can oust the board or the chairman, but they cannot get rid of the executive team except by having the board do it.

      Anyhow, Zuckerberg has never been much in the way of a traditional CEO - eschewing the traditional suit for a hoodie. That has angered some shareholders who expect their chairman and CEO to be a certain way.

  7. A motion from left field by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Russia offers an alternative. "you can call him Zuck-ski" and this will immediately quash all criticism about foreign meddling in diplomatic affairs. We also have what you call thinking outside the box. In Soviet Russia, Facebook outthinks you!"

  8. This is the problem by QuietLagoon · · Score: 2

    ...The proposal is largely symbolic, since Zuckerberg holds absolute control of the board.... If you want to fix a problem, then you need to put into place different thinking than that which caused the problem in the first place.

    1. Re: This is the problem by illiac_1962 · · Score: 0

      Yeah...its called taking your dollars elsewhere instead of making symbolic demands.

  9. Can't Truck the Zuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are the "major investors" Chinese or Israeli?

    1. Re:Can't Truck the Zuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Saudi's. See how all of this works?

  10. There's another option by Snotnose · · Score: 2

    and ultimately the hard-earned pensions of thousands of New York City workers," New York City Comptroller Scott Stringer said

    Um, you could, I dunno, maybe *sell* all your FB stock and protect the pensions that way?

    1. Re:There's another option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      too late. Stock took a dive and now he's on the hook and wants someone to blame. Sorry bub, you only got yourself to blame. Better luck at your next job.

    2. Re:There's another option by RayMarron · · Score: 1

      That's the first thing I thought, too. If you don't like how a company is being run, it seems to me the most prudent option would be to simply invest elsewhere.

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    3. Re:There's another option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't respond to him. He's "comptrolling".

    4. Re:There's another option by DCFusor · · Score: 1

      Nearly all pension funds are *drastically* underfunded even with their utterly imaginary 8% assumed return rate. They're all going broke, some sooner than others. They're looking for any excuse....other than corruption and having kicked the can down the road much too far for far too long. CA, Il, CT, MI - heck, it's not worth listing them all, there'd be quite nearly 50 state entries in the "gonna go broke, a sure thing, as no way funding at 100% of tax recipients would now save any of them". Hope you weren't actually expecting your promised bennies.

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    5. Re: There's another option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2008 called and wants it money back from the crash Wall Street created.

  11. Oh the irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We all remember Zuck's opinion on workers over 30.

    I was wondering how long it was going to take to catch up with Mark.

    I think he may have a different opinion about the matter now.

    Oh Well.

  12. So it begins by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

    The screams of terror as Facebook sinks to the bottom is a most delightful melody.

    1. Re:So it begins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wait, i have to reset my password...

  13. "Major" or "Majority"? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    If it's "majority" then problem solved. If it's just "major" then wake me up when you have "majority."

    Anyone else annoyed by partisan "pension boards" trying to throw their weight around by saying they'll do this or do that unless a company toes a PC line? As someone who would want to know my pension was there when I retired, I'd just want the Comptroller to STFU and make sure I got maximum return on my retirement dollars for minimal expenses.

  14. Zuck made his money by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

    I don't really think he cares if he gets ousted or not.

    1. Re: Zuck made his money by illiac_1962 · · Score: 0

      Yeah...who would want to deal with that shit hole?

    2. Re:Zuck made his money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't really think he cares if he gets ousted or not.

      Past a certain point people like him care more about the power and "prestige" than the money itself, otherwise he would have already retired long ago.

  15. too bad you don't get a say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Buy up a majority share, or you can suck it.
    I don't like facebook or the zuck, but he is the majority owner so he gets the say.

  16. Possibly a step up by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

    I usually consider a corporation to have "lost it's soul" once it pushes out the initial founders and becomes the typical corporation run by committee who are focused on quarterly profits and stock-price. I thought google was going to last a little longer as Sergey and Page were still around, but they conveniently re-structured into "alphabet" to let us all know the exact date that they decided to just go whole-hog evil. (Anyone with a knee-jerk argument about that needs to remember they're trying to get back into china and are ok with censorship now). But for Facebook? You know what? This could really be a step in the right direction. It's losing it's soul, but it wasn't a particularly good soul to start with. Give the suit-committee like 2 years to figure out what they're doing, then another 3-5 to give it a try and we'll see how it goes. They'll have to address the fact that their flagship is no longer "cool" and lost it's "small circle/exclusivity" aspect. They'll probably just continue to diversify like they did with whatsapp. Then again, maybe they'll just double-down and have a tie-in with China's social credit-score. Give the Pooh-bear all your likes or suffer the consequences. (And NEVER poke the bear).

  17. Symbolic Shithole Corporation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BIGLY watch its agile response to the will of the shareholders.. the perfect model for a country to run on too right Republicrats?

    Someone sould shoot Zuck like Archduke Ferd. Start WW4 already.

  18. Pensions in Facebook? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's ridiculous and the real story here. This guy should be fired and then beaten.

  19. Pensions??? by superdave80 · · Score: 1

    ...that impact the company, its share owners, and ultimately the hard-earned pensions of thousands of New York City workers," New York City Comptroller Scott Stringer...

    How the hell is Facebook responsible for the pensions of New York City government workers?

    1. Re:Pensions??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because Facebook has a fiduciary duty to its investors to generate shareholder value.

    2. Re:Pensions??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      God, you're stupid.

    3. Re: Pensions??? by jd · · Score: 1

      Because pensions are all in 401k schemes.

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  20. He has shown signs that he has a conscience by rundgong · · Score: 1

    He has shown signs that he has a conscience, and the share holders don't like that at all, because it can only hurt the bottom line.

    1. Re: He has shown signs that he has a conscience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What signs?

    2. Re: He has shown signs that he has a conscience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Consistently not selling out to Big Brother China, for example.

      I'm sure he understands the power/danger of personal data aggregation at such a massive scale, and the impact it would have in the hands of an authoritarian state. Or maybe it would really upset his wife.

      Either way I imagine those principles are getting in the way of shareholder returns and that just won't do.

  21. Why did you buy in the first place? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The question has to be asked of these agitators: You knew what the situation was before you bought into the company, so why are you only now complaining?

    Surely it's not that your greed got the better of you, causing you to set aside your principles and obligations to your fund members in making prudent investment decisions?

    Cry me a river.

  22. Not an option by spinitch · · Score: 1

    FB clear from beginning could only Like or neutral. Now can express sad, anger or laugh. Maybe FB will expand further with ... GTFO , FTFY etc ztzu

  23. Hey, Lets Get Rid Of All... by rally2xs · · Score: 1

    the idea guys... Jobs (done... dead), Allen (done... recently dead), Musk (half-done, just need to get him all the way out of the company), and now Zuckerberg. Can't have these deep thinkers around making everyone else look stupid. If you're good and have a good idea, for God's sake keep your organization as a proprietorship, or at worst a partnership. Screw this system where a bunch of Johnny Come Latelies can end up firing the main guy.