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Earth on Pace For Fourth-Warmest Year on Record, NOAA and NASA Say (weather.com)

The first nine months of 2018 was the fourth-warmest such period on Earth since record-keeping began in 1880, NOAA and NASA said in their analyses this week. From a report: 2016 had the warmest January-September period, according to NOAA, followed by 2017, then 2015. NASA's analysis agreed the Earth was on pace for its fourth-warmest year. NASA climate modeler Gavin Schmidt said in a tweet that 2018 was "almost guaranteed" to be the fourth-warmest year in its period of record. Record or near-record warmth in Europe, Africa, Asia and South America helped propel the January-September 2018 period to the fourth-warmest on record, NOAA said.

With temperatures 3.35 degrees Fahrenheit (1.86 degrees Celsius) above average, Europe had its record-warmest first nine months of the year, exceeding the previous record set in 2014 by more than 0.23 degrees Fahrenheit (0.13 degrees Celsius). Records in the continent date to 1910. Breaking it down a bit further, Africa had its fifth-warmest year-to-date temperature on record, Asia its sixth-warmest and South America its eighth-warmest, according to NOAA. North America experienced its lowest January-September temperature departure from average since 2013. The only notable pocket of cooler-than-average temperatures in 2018's first nine months was over the far North Atlantic Ocean just south of Greenland.

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  1. Threshold by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We've already crossed several thresholds on the climate, the damage we've done will take hundreds of years to undo, if it's undoable at all.

    Humanity just better get used to a hotter world, cuz that ship sailed a long time ago. We're fucked.

    1. Re:Threshold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Getting used to is not that hard. On average, all you have to do to maintain the same temperature is to move towards the nearest pole at the rate of 5km / year. If everyone (workers, farmers, animals) does that, then we're all fine. Since you're moving, choose a new place that is also safe from sea rise, obviously.

    2. Re:Threshold by Psyborgue · · Score: 2

      The problem with that line of thinking, while true, is it's fatalistic. If we accept we're already fucked there is no reason to try to avert disaster.

    3. Re:Threshold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      So. . . .
      2016 was the hottest year
      2017 was the third hottest year
      2018 was the fourth hottest year

      Shouldn't the headline be "Earth is cooling!"?

    4. Re:Threshold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The Democrats got suckered. They think the fight is about whether the science is true. The real fight is about the economics of the current solution space. To Republicans the science has to be false because there is no way they will come out of the solution without being much worse off than the Democrats. Kill Republican majority jobs. Kill Republican majority transportation likely tanking large swaths of Republican majority economies. By the time the rank and file Democrats get caught up to the real fight, it will definitely be too late.

    5. Re:Threshold by 110010001000 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Which country is that? There are a lot of countries in the EU and their emissions have been going up: https://www.reuters.com/articl...

      Are you suggesting they sue the EU?

    6. Re:Threshold by mnemotronic · · Score: 2

      It's already becoming a squalid hell because of rampant, unmitigated, 3rd world invasion on the border of every western nation.

      I hear Canada is ready to build a wall of empty Molson's bottles along the border to keep out the Americans who want to escape the devastation and now qualify as third-worlders.

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    7. Re:Threshold by CaptainDork · · Score: 2

      And the people already living where you're heading ...?

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    8. Re: Threshold by jd · · Score: 2

      Plenty of things are permanent. Energy and information cannot be created or destroyed, and that's essentially everything.

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  2. It will change back by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Funny

    Don't laugh. It could happen, according to our big, wet, President. We just have to wait it out.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us...

    And we know for sure that he knows what he's talking about, because he says he has a "natural instinct for science".

    https://www.politico.com/story...

    "You have scientists on both sides of it. My uncle was a great professor at MIT for many years, Dr. John Trump," the president said. "And I didn’t talk to him about this particular subject, but I have a natural instinct for science, and I will say that you have scientists on both sides of the picture."

    I don't know about the rest of you, but that's good enough for me.

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    1. Re:It will change back by Misagon · · Score: 2

      Yes, wait it out for 50 thousand years until the next ice age starts to happen.

      If humanity still exists by then.

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    2. Re:It will change back by hey! · · Score: 2

      When you cheat taxes you rely on the finance guy you hire to do the smart stuff. Or in the case of Donald Trump, you rely on the guy Fred Trump hired.

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  3. Wrong. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This can actually be undone because we have the technology. However, it requires people to actually believe it's real, care and vote for leaders who care. There are far too many people who simply don't believe/care until it personally affects them. For proof of this, you need look no further than the newspaper.

    In North Carolina, hurricanes did what scientists could not: Convince Republicans that climate change is real

    How we turn this around is actually charge corporations money to pollute and use that money to clean up the pollution. We can build the machines needed to remove CO2 from the air and the solar panels need to power them but they need to be paid for. Pushing this policy globally would make it easy to undo the atmospheric damage we've already done.

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    1. Re:Wrong. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We do not have the technology to remove the billions of tons of CO2 we've pumped into the atmosphere.

      Sure we do, it's just going to take a million of CO2 capture plants and several decades.

      Quite the opposite, ever since Al Gore's movie, we've done nothing. We're just making it increasingly worse. We knew about this in the late 60's early 70's. We've done nothing. What makes you so optimistic that we're suddenly going to do something?

      The noose is tightening and people are beginning to feel it.
      “Men and nations behave wisely when they have exhausted all other resources.”

      Not going to change our diesel ships and trucks. Coal is still a big deal for energy generating plants. Electric cars and such, it's a step sideways, not forward. The energy we're pumping into these electric cars is still mostly coming from dirty power generation.

      Of course, there's been no incentive to even bother not polluting. When that changes, everything will change with it.

      Everyone is too afraid of the actual solution: Nuclear power.

      Not at all. You forget that, stars are giant nuclear reactors. U238 breeder reactors are a very expensive form of nuclear power that are a dual purpose technology. We need to invest in developing liquid fluoride thorium reactors as once developed they can be installed in nations with even the most malicious intent and not be a threat as they do not create isotopes ad infinitium.

      Fantasy is all this is. Accept that we've triggered some unstoppable consequences and adapt. Or die.

      Defeatism does nothing to address the issue. The only adaptation that will suffice is fixing the atmosphere.

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    2. Re:Wrong. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2

      I never claimed it would be easy of fast to turn things around and sure, maybe LFTR will be just another unfulfilled dream but wind and solar are very real and quite extant. The current problem for them is being able to generate enough batteries to meet our needs. However, we are quickly improving our battery technology and large scale production lines are being built.

      I have nothing against U238 breeder reactors per se but the fact that it's a dual use technology means they aren't a practical global solution. Nuclear waste isn't nice either but it's easy to contain in one place until we develop the tech to properly render it inert. Frankly, I think such reactors are more effort than they are worth considering we have real alternatives. On top of that, when causing pollution equals paying money, the paradigm shift will begin in the energy markets which will collapse coal energy market entirely on day one because it will have no future.

      Honestly, the hardest part of solving this problem isn't technical, it's getting people to acknowledge it's a problem.

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  4. Re:Wait... by AlwinBarni · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, if it is the FOURTH warmest... does that mean it is getting cooler now?

    No, it doesn't. From the article: January-September period for years 2015,2016,2017 and 2018 are four the warmest since data started to be recorded (1880).
    2018 was not the warmest of the four, to better understand it draw a sinusoidal line at lets say 45 degree angle, you will see the difference between long term trend and short term fluctuations.

  5. Re:Progress by AlwinBarni · · Score: 2

    If the world was truly in some kind of runaway global warming dealie, this would be the WARMEST year on record. ...

    No, it doesn't. As the answer to another "AC", to understand difference between long term and short term changes draw a sinusoidal curve at e.g. 45 degrees angle. Then look at the global average temperatures plot available online, compare it with CO2 levels.

    As a bonus you can learn something about how the data are acquired, and how scientists forecast weather in short term and long term, also other things. Take yourself out of your comfort place and when questioning - first question yourself.

  6. Re:I can hear the conservatives now... by hey! · · Score: 2

    Oh, we'll be hearing about the "pause since 2016", like the so-called pause after 1998. 2016 was, like 1998, a massive outlier, which means they'll be using it for their basis of comparison.

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  7. And your problem by presidenteloco · · Score: 3, Insightful

    is acting like you're just a helpless leaf tossed on the wind whichever way it blows.

    You've got a brain and a pair of hands (assumption, I admit) so try to do something useful.

    If we're all doomed in several billlion years, fine, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't make it a nice place til we all turn into entropy.

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    1. Re:And your problem by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

      If we're all doomed in several billlion years, fine

      Actually, I am doomed in a few decades at best.

  8. Re:Another day by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Another PopeCrapso post where he whines about Trump, who lives in his head rent free.
    Poor butthurt lil lib.

    I'm having the time of my life. My Trump posts have revitalized Slashdot's comments section and I continue to be the most popular Slashdot commenter, and it's moral soul. If you didn't have me, you'd have to invent me.

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  9. Re:totally meaningless statistic by Tenebrousedge · · Score: 2

    This is not a subject that you should feel free to spread lies about. Climate change denial is dumber and more harmful than Holocaust denial.

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  10. Re:It's easy to make the current year ... by hey! · · Score: 2

    Both versions show a robust warming effect, so even though the difference is mathematically significant, it's not practically so. Also note the high degree of correlation between versions.

    The reason for the revising an aggregate data set is to correct systematic errors in aggregation, and you can read about the reasons in the scientific literature. Some of the adjustments are due to better calibration of remote sensing readings. Others are due to accounting for instrument biases -- for example one change was accounting for the fact that ships consistently give higher readings than buoys because of waste heat from the ship.

    Revising an estimation based on additional information isn't some kind of dodgy practice, as long as you document why and how much. If you have a problem with the adjustments (other than the result) it's all there for you to contest.

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  11. Re: It's easy to make the current year ... by hey! · · Score: 2

    Like I said, read the paper; everything's there. Calling the conclusions "magical" isn't an argument, it's just posturing when you haven't done the work.

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  12. Re:USA CO2 declining by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

    The EU emissions aren "going up", asshole.
    There was a 1.3% fluke in 2017 versus 2016 ... that is not a trend. And if you did not pay attention: the winter 2016/2017 was unusually hard. Obviously people heated more than the years before.

    So if you want to make a smart argument it would be: "The EU did not reduce CO2 emissions by itself so much as people might believe, but benefitted from extremely mild winters in the previous years. The mild winters contributed quite a lot to the CO2 reduction efforts".

    But that is not what you want to write, you want to be an asshole instead ... good luck with that.

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  13. Re: Don't Worry by jd · · Score: 2

    It's really is amazing people believe that. No data has been adjusted. Fantasists claim that to make observations fit their theories.

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  14. Re: Progress by jd · · Score: 2

    No. Just... no.

    For further explanation of why, I suggest reading Gleik's Chaos and looking up papers by Edward Lorenz. Even looking up

    Climate isn't a one-dimensional function, it is a series of trillions of non-linear feedback loops with non-linear changes to components.

    That is why increase is turbulent, not smooth.

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  15. Re:Don't Worry by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Informative

    Simple googling the title of this document leads you to multiple, convincing debunkings:

    https://blog.ucsusa.org/brenda...

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-ch...

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  16. Re:Fatal errors in surface temperature data by q_e_t · · Score: 2

    A test was done by removing the urban stations from the record. The temperature trend showed greater warming without the urban sites.