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Micron Plans To Buy Out Intel's Stake In Flash Memory Joint Venture For $1.5 Billion (thestreet.com)

Micron is planning to exercise a $1.5 billion option to buy Intel's 49% stake in the companies' IM Flash Technologies Joint Venture. "The option is exercisable on Jan. 1, 2019, and Micron says the deal will close six to 12 months after," reports TheStreet. From the report: In a statement, Intel suggests the timing of the deal's closing is at its discretion for up to a year after the option is exercised, while indicating it long expected Micron's decision. The companies have already made a pair of announcements this year that between them that signal the end of their age-old R&D partnership for developing non-volatile memory technologies. IMFT owns a manufacturing plant (fab) in Lehi, Utah that both produces NAND flash memory and is for now the sole manufacturer of 3D XPoint (pronounced 3D cross-point), a memory technology that Micron and Intel co-developed and announced to much fanfare in mid-2015. Intel, via its Optane product line, has a head-start on Micron in launching 3D XPoint-based products. However, Micron, via its QuantX brand, plans to launch its own 3D XPoint offerings in late 2019, using a second generation version of the technology.

What's so great about 3D XPoint? In a nutshell, it carves out a middle ground between DRAM (very fast, but not dense, relatively expensive and volatile, or unable to retain its data when power is lost) and NAND (cheap, dense and non-volatile, but relatively slow). Though more expensive than NAND -- particularly in these early days -- and not as fast as DRAM, 3D XPoint is much faster than NAND and much cheaper than DRAM, and like NAND is non-volatile. That opens up a lot of potential applications. Games can get a boost from using 3D XPoint solid-state drives (SSDs) for storage rather than conventional NAND SSDs, as could demanding workstation applications. Within data centers -- probably the largest market for the technology over the next few years -- 3D XPoint could improve the performance of demanding AI and high-performance computing (HPC) applications and enable larger deployments of high-speed, in-memory databases than what's possible using DRAM. And in both the PC/workstation and data center markets, 3D XPoint drives can work in tandem with slower types of storage to act as a high-speed cache for important or frequently-accessed data.

20 comments

  1. Has Width, Depth, and Heighth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Waiting for 4D.

  2. Ken Doll there will be consequences for your lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for your entire family

  3. Does this mean Optane for all vendors? by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

    I would really love to throw a stick of optane in my Ryzen system. I wonder if that patent falls under part of the buyout.

    1. Re:Does this mean Optane for all vendors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The price per gigabyte is still little too expensive for consumer use. I would be happy to see a 40% drop before using the products for NVMe system drives. Without compromising the durability, data protection or other quality attributes, of course.

  4. Potentially great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even using the SSD form factor, XPoint is so much faster than flash that companies don't use it in benchmarks because it makes all of the current products look laughably slow except for a couple of synthetic metrics. The potential of it is much greater; it can be *byte addressable*, and could be fast enough to justify putting the control in the CPU, or even using the CPU's memory controller. This would require rethinking things like the file system, and the entire software stack from the OS level on. Something like this will eventually win out as SSDs turn into the HDDs of today, and HDDs turn into tape storage (archival which will exist for data centers, where people don't care about the glacial access times).

    Micron believe that their solution has enough of an advantage over the competition to be worth 1.5 billion dollars. Samsung's promised competitor meanwhile hasn't made as much as a demo.

    1. Re:Potentially great by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      Er wut? It really doesn't. A system with a decent SSD and a software solution like StoreMi(Only notable in that it is basically the first good no hassle consumer implementation of its kind) is effectively just as good.

  5. Byte Addressable Flash Drives. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is all Optane actually is, and they are already usable in any system from what I've read online. The issue is some of the software glue for the acceleration/disk caching capabilities. But if you just want to use them as a high speed swapspace or 'ramdrive', they can already do that today, with either an M.2 or a PCIe x4 slot.

    1. Re:Byte Addressable Flash Drives. by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      Rather pointless if you cant utilize it as cache. It's only 16gb sticks. The whole premise behind octane(3Dxpoint) is a buffer between disk and cpu that is closer to ram speed and latency. That's why I asked if the optane IP comes with it. From my understanding is just some firmware/software(haven't really looked).

    2. Re:Byte Addressable Flash Drives. by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Optane is interesting stuff in that it provide superior IOPS to that of typical NAND flash. But that said, I still wouldn't use it to replace RAM, and it's too expensive to replace typical NAND.

      I've worked with SANS that had 256GB read/write SSD cache in them, they work really well for hosting VMs, exceedinyl fast. To get more IOPS, Optane would be preferred. And the cost difference would still be worth it for enterprise use.

      About the only corner-case I can see its value is in caching larger multi-TB HDDs. Though I'm sure others have other creative uses for the tech

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    3. Re:Byte Addressable Flash Drives. by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      Obviously it can't replace ram as its too slow, but for a cache or maybe even larger sizes could be used to hold large data sets or game textures that are used on the system more frequently than say the rest of the OS. Have nvme for your low speed programs(browser, file explorer and wotnot) then have high IO programs (compiler, games, web servers) on the larger optane(3Dxpoint) drive to save time of having to create and copy items into RAM disk. Plus it's NVRAM so it persists.

    4. Re:Byte Addressable Flash Drives. by pjrc · · Score: 2

      To say this memory technology is only interesting in terms of IOPS is thinking highly constrained in terms of today's PC architecture.

      Long-term Intel's grand plan involves many gigabytes or even terabytes of such storage actually memory mapped, as actual memory. The idea is access not involving traditional I/O operations at all.

      The long game looks changing the architecture of software design, or at least giving software developers a very different set of trade-offs which will allow software to be designed in ways not really practical on today's PC architecture.

      I personally believe that's extremely interesting.

      But if your mindset about computer hardware revolves around shopping, and your usage looks like most consumers who would never reach even the endurance limits of normal NAND flash, then yeah, I guess the only thing interesting about Optane would be the ~3X higher IOPS or ~8X lower latency.

    5. Re:Byte Addressable Flash Drives. by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      At best, Optane in DIMM format is just another level cache. But the latency is still way too high to effectively make Optane the new "core memory" where storage and RAM is one-in-the-same for server usage. Best case scenario, Optane is used that way for mobile devices.

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    6. Re:Byte Addressable Flash Drives. by LostMyAccount · · Score: 1

      If they get the densities up, I see Optane via DIMM as something for the hyperconverged crowd to make their concept better. More, faster storage without extra bulk in a 1U format.

  6. Intel : dead. But they don't know it yet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Silly Ole me predicts:

    - reduced revenues and ever slimmer margins. Clouds don't care about Intel inside.

    - ceo (or new one) sez "we need to focus" (and sell off diversifying businesses like this)

    - a few years go by, and cash rich Intel - after sets of rolling layoffs, sez "we need to diversify!". Let's buy a services software company (oh, what? We did that already? How'd what work?)

  7. Limited writes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too bad it wears out from being written. Using it as a substitute RAM would result in burnout in just a few seconds.

    1. Re:Limited writes by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      Bullshit iirc 3D X point has ~50x write endurance? I forget exactly but it's astronomically high or it would never have been thought of as a cache.

    2. Re:Limited writes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit iirc 3D X point has ~50x write endurance? I forget exactly but it's astronomically high or it would never have been thought of as a cache.

      Because of the high endurance I am using it right now as a cache tier for my cheap-SSD disk array for database workloads ...

    3. Re:Limited writes by epine · · Score: 1

      The products I've looked at usually translate to an implied endurance of 20,000 to 30,000 total drive writes (typically over a 5-year life cycle).

      For a typical capacity, this translates to a rough maximum write duty cycle around 2% over the life of the drive.

      Basically, you can burst 2 GB/s of sequential write traffic for one minute out of every hour, so long as you have 100% read traffic for the other 59 minutes, and not burn out your warranty before the rated five-year window expires.

      For a ZFS ZIL cache (which is write intense), you'd want about 25x more endurance than that, to achieve a sane price/performance ratio. For a ZFS L2ARC cache, the cost is high, and the reduced latency is less of a big deal. Perhaps it would shine in an analytics application where you load the data up once per day, then ad hoc query the hell out of it all day long (and the dataset is big enough that you don't want to pay the DRAM price to keep the whole thing resident).

      But for myself, I've yet to pencil in 3D XPoint in the sweet spot for any application I presently care about.

    4. Re:Limited writes by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      It obviously isn't researched and developed enough for every day consumables. but there are already a bunch of optane SSD's in the wild being used today. They're not cheap though. I just would like to see it be able to be used as a caching system for non intel platforms. As I said in an earlier post. It would be nice to have it work even if just like a persistent ram for things with high I/O. Game textures/games would be the main reason for consumers. However I'm sure there are some nerds that could benefit their home projects with it.