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16-Year-Old Dethrones Tetris World Champion With Difficult Hyper-Tap Technique (kotaku.com)

Over the weekend, seven-time winner Jonas Neubauer showed up at the Classic Tetris World Championship in Portland, Oregon like he has every year since it moved there in 2011. Instead of adding another championship to his name, he finished in second place this time, bested by 16-year-old Joseph Saelee who went on an amazing three-game tear. From a report: "The kid played with pure heart, the most clutch Tetris that we've seen from anyone," Neubauer said after the dust had settled. "He just really had the ability, had the natural ability, and let it shine as bright as he could in his first tournament. [It's] truly an honor to pass the torch to the new generation of Tetris players." The veteran stood on stage holding a silver trophy, his first since losing to Harry Hong in 2014, and the unlikely Saelee, tears still in his eyes, hoisted the gold to applause from the crowd at Sunday's Retro Game Expo crowd.

Though Tetris came out on the NES in 1989, the Classic World Championship tournament as it exists today didn't get started until 2010 after the game's competitive scene spent most of the aughts trading strategies, high scores, and footage evidence throughout a scattered network of forums and websites. Now, top players from around the world compete annually at the Expo using the original game and controllers played on old CRTs to see who can get the highest score in individual head-to-head matchups.

70 comments

  1. Re: This Slipped Through by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dude, it was the difficult hyper tap technique that many millennials spend their entire lifetime pursuing, only to end up as jobless nerds in their moms basement

  2. Level 29??!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well I no longer feel awesome for getting past level 10 anymore. Thanks, internet. :(

  3. He's a shoo-in at West Point. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll tell you what I can do off Tetris. 10 years from now, I can go to West Point. It's all coming down to video-game reflexes. Computerized tanks, Star Wars. In 10 years, a heavy scorer on Tetris... is a shoo-in at the Point.
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    1. Re:He's a shoo-in at West Point. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does Tom Cruise have to do with a small casino in Tasmania?

  4. Solved game? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't this just a "solved game" already? Aren't there AIs out there that can perfectly beat anyone at Tetris? Once this is true, what is the point of playing?

    1. Re:Solved game? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The point is to be better at it *than other humans.*

      That's pretty much the point of any competitive sport, video games included.

    2. Re:Solved game? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I have a neural implant that allows me to take input from a Tetris solving AI and output that to my hands, is this cheating? Do I still count as human? THAT is what I mean by a solved game. (Same thing for Chess, Go, Poker, etc.)

    3. Re:Solved game? by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 2

      Isn't this just a "solved game" already? Aren't there AIs out there that can perfectly beat anyone at Tetris? Once this is true, what is the point of playing?

      Yes, a can opener can open a can better than you, a front end loader can move more dirt than you, and a car can move faster than you. So just kill yourself now. What's the point in living?

      Or maybe you can strive to be the best you can be at whatever you do and not worry about it. Hell, there's a lot of physical activity that I can't do anywhere near as well now as I could do in my 20's and 30's. I still lift weights and do cardio, but nothing like I could do back then. But it doesn't mean I'm going to stop.

    4. Re:Solved game? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tetris is NP-Hard, I think, so not "solved."

    5. Re:Solved game? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Do I still count as human?

      Why "still"?

    6. Re:Solved game? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Battling Maxo.

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  5. Hyper-tapping by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 5, Informative

    Since the summary didn't bother to mention what the "hyper-tapping" technique from the headline is, here's the explanation from the article:

    Unlike many other top players, including Neubauer, Saelee uses hyper-tapping, a technique that requires players to press the D-pad rapidly at the the correct intervals in order to move Tetris pieces in different directions without losing speed. Normally players just hold down left or right on the D-pad. Saeleeâ(TM)s strategy on the other hand requires more than 10 button presses a second to be effective. Itâ(TM)s a riskier and more demanding style of play, but one that ended up paying off.

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    1. Re:Hyper-tapping by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      That kid must go through a lot of controllers

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    2. Re:Hyper-tapping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      the carpal tunnel pain .. my hand ache just thinking about it

    3. Re:Hyper-tapping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The point of the summary isn't to explain the whole article...

    4. Re:Hyper-tapping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be new here...

    5. Re:Hyper-tapping by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      10 presses per second is incredible, especially for a sustained period. I seem to recall that the world record for button presses per second on a NES pad was 16 for many years, and that's just hammering the same button.

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    6. Re:Hyper-tapping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A summary that doesn't at least explain the entire headline is an utter failure around here.
      It's not merely a joke that no one RTFA. We're here to comment on TFS and each others' comments.

  6. Meh; did this with my belongings...(don't repeat!) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tetris Movers are state-of-the-art!

  7. Boom! Tetris for Jeff! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Finally, somebody has taken revenge on Jonas. I never forgave him after he beat Jeff (the love of my life) in the 2016 final. Look how he robbed my lovely Jeff of the title!

    Thanks,
    Commentator from Classic Tetris World Championship 2016

  8. This Neubauer guy is a class act by crgrace · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The kid played with pure heart, the most clutch Tetris that we've seen from anyone," Neubauer said after the dust had settled. "He just really had the ability, had the natural ability, and let it shine as bright as he could in his first tournament. [It's] truly an honor to pass the torch to the new generation of Tetris players."

    Wow, a champion accepting de-throning with dignity and grace. This kind of demonstration of humility, self-respect, and good old-fashioned sportsmanship is so lacking in the public sphere and I was moved by it. If Neubauer has children, I hope they're proud of him right now, because I sure am. What a class act.

    1. Re:This Neubauer guy is a class act by Calydor · · Score: 2

      The Olympic athletes who throw a hissyfit over only getting bronze or silver should take a long, hard look at his speech and then their own behavior.

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    2. Re:This Neubauer guy is a class act by sunking2 · · Score: 0

      Watching him play though he looked about a .5s away from throwing his controller across the room and yelling at his mom for not having a hot pocket ready.

    3. Re:This Neubauer guy is a class act by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2

      Indeed.

      It's a pity more professional athletes don't have sportsmanship and respect these days.

    4. Re: This Neubauer guy is a class act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I was a kid we had to microwave our own hotpockets.

    5. Re:This Neubauer guy is a class act by tgibson · · Score: 1

      I came to post this exact comment. You are absolutely correct. Hats off to Neubauer.

    6. Re:This Neubauer guy is a class act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The bronze medalists usually don't throw hissyfits. Getting an olympic medal is a great honor and (according to a study a few years back) they remain proud and happy about it later in life. The gold medalists are of course even happier. So who is unhappy? The silver medalists, that's who. They are PISSED.

    7. Re:This Neubauer guy is a class act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember that USA Women's team downhill snowboarder, who had gold but fell into silver by doing a showy superfluous tail-grab on the last jump? Five years ago, I think.

      Yeah.

    8. Re:This Neubauer guy is a class act by Ogive17 · · Score: 2

      Regardless of the situation, Neubauer's comments were extremely classy. It likely came a bit easier considering he had won the event 7 years in a row prior to this.

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    9. Re:This Neubauer guy is a class act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck off slaver. Unless you like a fist up the arse.

    10. Re:This Neubauer guy is a class act by E-Rock · · Score: 2

      It is a retro gaming competition. Even the sportsmanship is retro! :)

    11. Re:This Neubauer guy is a class act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you disrespecting these champion athletes?

    12. Re:This Neubauer guy is a class act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Olympic athletes who throw a hissyfit over only getting bronze or silver should take a long, hard look at his speech and then their own behavior.

      This isn't exactly comparable.

      In this case we have a former world record holder watching new talent taking on his old record in a sport that has lost popularity over the years.
      He doesn't have anything to prove.

      The silver medalist OTOH is competing with the gold medalist and is seeing all that hard work leading to coming up short.

    13. Re: This Neubauer guy is a class act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I was a kid we didn't have microwaves or hot pockets you insensitive clod!

    14. Re:This Neubauer guy is a class act by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      An Olympic athlete has been working for 10+ years and who knows how much cash to make it in for one test. It's amazing how much stress there is over one moment. I'm amazed anyone who wins the silver, barely edged out of the gold, can stand. I'm guessing that's one reason for the delay before the medal ceremony. People need time to go off and cry.

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    15. Re:This Neubauer guy is a class act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed.

      It's a pity more professional athletes don't have sportsmanship and respect these days.

      The "pro" part is the problem. Athletes used to be nice enough, when simply competing for the prestige and the trophy thing. Then prize money ruined it. Money get you the people who are only in it for the money. Cheats are a means to an end. No point in being civil - being nasty might surprise a green opponent and give you an edge.

      Try paying out millions of dollars at the tetris championship, and see the contestants deteriorate. Sure, they will play tetris even better - but it will no longer be nice.

    16. Re:This Neubauer guy is a class act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who cares about a tetris winner? Those who liked the game, mostly. The same goes for any other championship. Who cares about a football champion or the worlds fastest runner? Either is as useless as winning tetris. Now, running may not be completely useless; you may have a bright future as a courier or soldier. But being the world champion is not more useful than merely being one of the good runners. Unless you count prize money. But then, tetris guy got his $1000.

  9. midichlorians by hawguy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Obviously it's his midichlorian level that's letting him play Tetris so well. If he can manage to beat Sebulba, then you'll know for sure.

    1. Re:midichlorians by Letophoro · · Score: 2

      Obviously it's his midichlorian level that's letting him play Tetris so well. If he can manage to beat Sebulba, then you'll know for sure.

      Give that Neubauer has an, until now, record breaking midichlorian level of 8997, It makes me wonder if Saelee has a level of...

      OVER 9000!!!

  10. That's the best? by sunking2 · · Score: 1

    Maybe the difference is we actually played on a PC w/ keyboard in the late 80s instead of some silly dpad thing, but I've had games last well over an hour. The game itself actually gets pretty monotonous once you reach max speed and have managed to set yourself in a pretty good position.

  11. When's the MS Minesweeper tournament? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been practicing and waiting 25 years for a tournament.

  12. Re: This Slipped Through by PPH · · Score: 4, Funny

    only to end up as jobless nerds in their moms basement

    Or have a brilliant career loading FedEx trucks.

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  13. Shirase mode by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

    The game itself actually gets pretty monotonous once you reach max speed

    That's why modern Tetris has a much higher max speed than classic Tetris. Could you keep up with Shirase mode in Tetris The Grand Master 3: Terror-Instinct ? It starts fast, where pieces land immediately on the stack giving you a split second to shift them into place, and only gets faster from there.

  14. Pfft by rsilvergun · · Score: 1
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  15. Pro athlete? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Indeed.

    It's a pity more professional athletes don't have sportsmanship and respect these days.

    HAHAHHA
    HAHAHAHAHAAHHA
    "professional athlete"
    almost had me there, for a second thought you were serious

  16. But this isn't even close to speed Tetris... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clueless person here (who doesn't see the point it priding oneself in what a robot could do better), but: Why is this seen as an achievement, giving things like THIS:

    https://youtu.be/H_tmFUWu9bI?t=280

    Honest question. I just don't give my respect out lightly.

    1. Re:But this isn't even close to speed Tetris... by narcc · · Score: 4, Informative

      TGM is fundamentally different from NES Tetris. They might as well be different games. The most important difference is something called 'lock delay' which is how long it takes a piece to 'lock' in to position once it reaches the top of the stack. It's very generous in TGM (30 frames). In NES Tetris, lock delay (I believe) is limited to the time it takes for the piece to fall to another row. Modern "guidelines" Tetris is similar to TGM, though it's far more generous in that it allows you to 'reset' the lock counter on a successful shift or rotation, rather that just on a drop.

      This means that you can play modern Tetris and TGM at much higher speeds than NES Tetris. At 20g speeds, pieces don't fall from the top so much as they appear at the top of the stack. In NES Tetris, that would make the game unplayable as you couldn't move the pieces at all! In TGM, 20g speed is perfectly playable as you have an abundance of time (a full half-second) to shift and rotate your piece. By preloading DAS during ARE, you don't even need that long. Strong players will press down to instantly lock their piece once it's in place, saving time.

      The minimal lock delay makes NES Tetris very difficult to play. Pieces feel like they're 'sticky'. It takes a lot more speed and precision to play at a high level than the seemingly 'faster' TGM and modern Tetris games you might have seen. I've played TGM for less than a year and I'm an S9 player. I've been playing NES Tetris longer than I can remember, but my best scores are just over 200k.

      Joseph Saelee's play is nothing short of remarkable. It's 'next level' play. 4-minute-mile stuff.

    2. Re:But this isn't even close to speed Tetris... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As someone from the old school of NES Tetris, I have not even tried any of the new Tetri. After reading all these new rules, I don't think I like it.

      I haven't even played the game in over a decade since my mom died. She was the true Tetris master.

      However, my primary concern is... are there still rockets?

  17. shrug... by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

    shrug... and nothing of value was lost.

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  18. Modern Tetris is solved by tepples · · Score: 5, Informative

    Isn't this just a "solved game" already?

    Classic Tetris isn't solved, but modern Tetris (since 2001) is, as colour_thief and I proved back in 2007. Someone made a video of the solution.

    1. Re:Modern Tetris is solved by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Nice work, that's a great explanation of how it works too.

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  19. Re: No Tetris in FEDERAL PRISON! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its almost as if I've never read this before. Seriously genius, if Mueller comes out with nothing on President Trump, what will you do? Your whole time pasting the same thing over and over will be for nothing.

    Your home life can not be pleasurable.

    Geekpoet

  20. Re:This Slipped Through by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We are literally on a site with the slogan "news for nerds."

  21. Who cares by AndyKron · · Score: 0

    I'm glad this happened.No I'm not.

    1. Re:Who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed. THIS is the kind of shit people are putting their energy and soul into? This is what we consider achievements? We are doomed if these are seen as noteworthy. I actually don't mind them necessarily as personal challenges, but as an actual officiated competition? The fuck?

    2. Re:Who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Says the anonymous guy wasting his time shitposting.

  22. Why talk about NES? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tetris came out of the Eastern Bloc, and I remember playing it on PCs in Hungary way before 1989.

    1. Re:Why talk about NES? by slipped_bit · · Score: 1

      A PC version made its way to the US long before 1989, too. I remember playing it on an IBM XT clone in the mid '80s.

  23. Re: No Tetris in FEDERAL PRISON! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fucking with Republican traitor faggot nazis WOULD be enough for me, but if you actually BELIEVE Mueller has put up with all this and come up with NOTHING on the most criminally insane faggot President in US history, you = crackhead.

    Not a geek, not a poet, a crackhead. And actually I write geek poetry and I bet 8 bits it's better than yours, so if you want to have that tiny penis contest for some reason trust me, you lost that too. Any kind of penis contest, mine is the omega.

    Deal with it, republican traitor cucks. You backed a faggot who as recently as 2006 was a Hillary Clinton fanboi. Enjoy yourselves, criminal cretins. We're going to hang your hero to make America great again, or at least, semi-plausibly lawful.

  24. Re:Q: what is the best thing about pro Tetris play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lmao

  25. Re:This Slipped Through by Luckyo · · Score: 1

    Considering the fact that for last eight years, seven of them went to a much older fellow, would make young guy winning actually news?

  26. That description by Daralantan · · Score: 1

    "The kid played with pure heart, ..........after the dust had settled. "He just really had the ability, had the natural ability, and let it shine as bright as he could .......truly an honor to pass the torch to the new generation ..... tears still in his eyes,

    Such a dramatic description for playing Tetris. I mean yes, high level Tetris play is impressive to watch. But still it's just funny to see such bravado for playing Tetris.

  27. Re: This Slipped Through by Pascoea · · Score: 2

    You laugh, but after high school (where I lived in my parent's basement) I moved out for college and my first job was loading UPS trucks. And there are few things as satisfying as a well packed truck.

  28. Re: This Slipped Through by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just don't be late. Hyper-tap that punch card.