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Tim Berners-Lee on the Huge Sociotechnical Design Challenge (techcrunch.com)

In a speech discussing ethics and the Internet, the inventor of the World Wide Web, Sir Tim Berners-Lee, has tasked the technology industry and its coder army with paying continuous attention to the world their software is consuming as they go about connecting humanity through technology. From a report: Coding must mean consciously grappling with ethical choices in addition to architecting systems that respect core human rights like privacy, he suggested. "Ethics, like technology, is design," he told delegates at the 40th International Conference of Data Protection and Privacy Commissioners (ICDPPC) which is taking place in Brussels this week. "As we're designing the system, we're designing society. Ethical rules that we choose to put in that design [impact the society]... Nothing is self evident. Everything has to be put out there as something that we think we will be a good idea as a component of our society." If your tech philosophy is the equivalent of 'move fast and break things' it's a failure of both imagination and innovation to not also keep rethinking policies and terms of service -- "to a certain extent from scratch" -- to account for fresh social impacts, he argued in the speech.

He pointed to how Wikipedia had to rapidly adapt its policies after putting online the power for anyone to edit its encyclopedia, noting: "They introduced a whole lot of bureaucracy around it but that actually makes it work, and it ended up be coming very functional." He described today's digital platforms as "sociotechnical systems" -- meaning "it's not just about the technology when you click on the link it is about the motivation someone has to make such a great thing because then they are read and the excitement they get just knowing that other people are reading the things that they have written."

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  1. some people code to make money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most software programmers I know are coding to make money. Making humankind better is not on there agenda.

    1. Re:some people code to make money by iggymanz · · Score: 3

      pointless anyway, humankind will not be "made better" by any amount or type of software.

    2. Re:some people code to make money by bobbied · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Most software programmers I know are coding to make money. Making humankind better is not on there agenda.

      The implication being that making money is contrary to helping mankind better?

      I don't think these two are logically related. You can make money and be out to make humankind better. You can make money by cheating the next guy out of his, making human kind less well off. Further, You can make money and not care. The two concepts are not related.

      Now if you are arguing that a lot of folks don't give a flip about others in today's self absorbed world, I'm going to say welcome to reality. History is rife with examples of such bad behavior.

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    3. Re:some people code to make money by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The software that runs MRI scanners makes humankind better. The software that lets us communicate securely or encrypt our personal data makes humankind better. The software that allows us to understand our own DNA makes humankind better. The software that took us to the moon made humankind better.

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    4. Re:some people code to make money by cowpie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Disagree. People can make the world better or worse. They might choose to use software or not to achieve their goals, but in any case, software is just a tool used by people.

      You can write software for a company that has the best of intentions, but stuff happens. Perhaps down the road some other people end up in charge of that intellectual property and do things that are bad for humanity with it. Your software didn't suddenly go from good to bad, but it was just a tool used first by well-intentioned people and later my ill-intentioned people.

      People make moral choices. Software does not.

  2. Wikipedia super bad example by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wikipedia is in control of a cabal of zealots that you cannot get even a single word change in any page of significance without proving you "belong"

    Think of any movie you have every seen where small groups have been isolated from civilization for thousands of years, that is what little fiefdoms of controlling Wikipedia editors are like at this point.

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    1. Re:Wikipedia super bad example by bobbied · · Score: 3

      You act as if that's a bad thing. I mean, how do you think the Linux Kernel has made it this far? Talk about a cabal of zealots... Yet good things have come from that.

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  3. Missing the forest for the trees by apoc.famine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Coding must mean consciously grappling with ethical choices ...He pointed to how Wikipedia had to rapidly adapt its policies after putting online the power for anyone to edit its encyclopedia, noting: "They introduced a whole lot of bureaucracy around it but that actually makes it work, and it ended up be coming very functional."

    Coding is nothing like editing Wikipedia.

    You can't be "consciously grappling with ethical choices" while you're implementing a sort function. Maybe that sort function is going to determine which sick child gets priority treatment, or maybe that sort function will figure out which sick child costs too much, and another routine will try to get rid of the kid. If a coder is going too far down the rabbit hole trying to figure out how every last hunk of code will be used, they're no longer just a coder.

    If the summary had quotes from TBL about software engineering, architecture, or design it would be a lot more insightful. But a whole lot of code is making function foo handle variable X correctly. There's nothing ethical or unethical in that. It just is.

    Code is a tool. And like any tool, it can be used for good or ill. Placing the focus there rather than on the larger design and decision systems seems really dumb to me. Of course, the article might go into these things, but ain't nobody got time for that.

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    1. Re:Missing the forest for the trees by Immerman · · Score: 2

      >But a whole lot of code is making function foo handle variable X correctly. There's nothing ethical or unethical in that. It just is.

      Of course there's something ethical about that - you're building part of a machine, and as such you carry partial responsibility for the existence and use of that machine. If the machine is intended to be used for the detriment of humanity, don't help build it. If it's *already* being used for the detriment of humanity, don't help maintain or upgrade it. Or at least own up to the moral responsibility for your actions.

      Now, if you're writing a public library, and some of the users of that library use it as part of something evil, that's one thing. But so far as I know, the majority of modern programming is still done in-house. Which means that your library was probably built in-house, in service to the "evil master plan", and you can't duck moral responsibility by saying that that part *you* did wasn't actually evil when taken in isolation.

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    2. Re:Missing the forest for the trees by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2

      Agree 100% !

      To paraphrase / quote a famous cliche:

      You were too busy trying to figure out How that you never stopped to ask Why.

      Science by definition is amoral. Most of programming is too since you are just implementing a Mathematical (*) function. There is no ethics involved.

      (*) For sake of argument (and simplicity) programming is a higher level order of calculus then Mathematics since it is a combination of Logic, Pattern Recognition, Mathematics, Linguistics, Art and a few other disciplines I'm probably missing.

    3. Re:Missing the forest for the trees by fish_in_the_c · · Score: 2

      So, no one should write TCP IP code because it is used to distribute child porn?
      And we should all work on solving trajectory optimization so we can effectively defend our country without putting solders in harms way?

      Few tools are black and white in their use.

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  4. Tim-Berners lee is out of touch... by blahplusplus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... the war was won as soon as stupid people got internet. The last 20 years from around 1999 on, I watched as software and games went from something we owned to something corporations controlled. The average person is downright fucking retard level stupid about their puchasing, this is why we have mmo's/f2p/online drm, diablo 3 with single player lag, microtransactions, lootboxes in overwatch even though ALL the content in overwatch already exists in files on your hard drive just inaccessable. A fucking lootbox interface on a game where all the content is already on your drive. We live in a full blown idiocracy here. Windows 10 is the the finishing touch.

    To think that Microsoft, game and tech companies got all they wanted in the 90's simply by waiting for the stupid masses to get internet and the masses being idiots would just give it all away. The last 20 years for me have been surreal as a child of the 80's and 90's. I didn't know the future of PC gaming in 1998 would end up in total software theft and removal of games from gamers because the average gamer is such a fucking moron.

    Mr Lee is living in some fantasy land inside his head, all the big content companies are moving in to control and sheer the sheep and the sheep are all too happy to bend over and give up their rights and freedoms.

  5. TBL's solution: by Snufu · · Score: 2

    More DRM.