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Tim Berners-Lee Says Tech Giants May Have To Be Split Up (reuters.com)

Facebook and Google have grown so dominant they may need to be broken up, unless challengers or changes in taste reduce their clout, Tim Berners-Lee, the inventor of the World Wide Web, has said in a new interview. From a report: The digital revolution has spawned a handful of U.S.-based technology companies since the 1990s that now have a combined financial and cultural power greater than most sovereign states. Tim Berners-Lee, a London-born computer scientist who invented the Web in 1989, said he was disappointed with the current state of the internet, following scandals over the abuse of personal data and the use of social media to spread hate. "What naturally happens is you end up with one company dominating the field so through history there is no alternative to really coming in and breaking things up," Berners-Lee, 63, said in an interview. "There is a danger of concentration." But he urged caution too, saying the speed of innovation in both technology and tastes could ultimately cut some of the biggest technology companies down to size. "Before breaking them up, we should see whether they are not just disrupted by a small player beating them out of the market, but by the market shifting, by the interest going somewhere else," Berners-Lee said.

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  1. Worked for Ma Bell. Sounds like a good idea. by Seven+Spirals · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sherman anti-trust act gives all the needed legal cover. Do it. They are fully formed evil megacorps and trusts if there ever were any. Break them up and let them compete with the fragments of themselves. Competition is the soul of capitalism, not monopolies.

    1. Re:Worked for Ma Bell. Sounds like a good idea. by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 5, Interesting

      One problem with breaking up Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc, is that often these companies have ONE service which dominates their revenue. It's not like the old Standard Oil or AT&T in which you can break them up into smaller regional interests which are roughly equivalent. In Google's case, there's no point in breaking up search and advertising, because search is what drives eyeballs, while advertising is what funds damn near everything else they do.

      And how the heck would you split up Facebook or Twitter? Nothing they do is really all that significant outside of their ONE primary product. How would breaking up Facebook even work? Facebook1 and Facebook2? Randomly split up accounts? Duplicate them and make people choose? You can't really make a case for splitting apart their advertising and social media platform, as one drives the revenue for the other. And everything else they do is a sideshow by comparison. Even moreso with Twitter.

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    2. Re:Worked for Ma Bell. Sounds like a good idea. by Bert64 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The problem with monopolies is when people are locked in.

      Google (Search) don't really have a lot of lock-in, there's nothing to stop you using bing or duckduckgo etc.
      Similarly with android, there are alternative android builds from the likes of amazon each with their own store etc.

      Whats much more of a problem is platforms like facebook, skype and whatsapp etc, which force you to be on their platforms if you need to communicate with your friends who also use the same platforms. Splitting these companies up wouldn't do much good, unless you also create and enforce some kind of open interoperable standards allowing users on different platforms to still communicate with other and allowing third parties to create their own compatible alternatives.

      If you take email as an example, the underlying protocols are standard and there are many compatible clients and providers while people are also free to create their own clients or operate their own servers. While there might be a few large players, they can't lock you in and there are many smaller alternatives.

      Currently it's a farcical situation where the average user has accounts and clients for an array of different services, and are forced to use the clients provided by those services on devices supported by those clients. How many people remember the days of ICQ when the first third party clients came out, you could run a much better client on platforms not supported by the official one.

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  2. Yes, that has worked so well in the past by jodido · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Split up Standard Oil in 1910--how well did that work out? Split up Ma Bell--happy with the result? Split it up and the parts will recombine in some other form but functionally equivalent.

  3. Bullshit by mi · · Score: 3, Informative

    What naturally happens is you end up with one company dominating the field so through history there is no alternative to really coming in and breaking things up

    Bullshit, Sir Lee... Historically, to warrant the actual breaking-up, the following conditions had to hold:

    • The targeted company uses its monopoly position in one market (such as desktop operating systems or search-engines) to target competitors in another (such as web-browsers, or cellular phones).
    • The market must have a substantial barrier to entry.

    For example, if Twitter — the dominant player in its field — is really behind the troubles Gab.com is experiencing (if — I make no such allegations), the first item holds. But, given the ease, with which one can start an Internet web-site, the second condition does not hold — and there is no reason to even investigate Twitter in this case...

    Simply doing something somebody does not like is not a good justification to use the force of government — however much the bunch of little authoritarians would like it to be.

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  4. Yes breakups did work by sjbe · · Score: 5, Informative

    Split up Standard Oil in 1910--how well did that work out?

    Pretty well. At it's peak Standard Oil controlled somewhere around 90% of all oil production and sales in the US and they were renowned for predatory business practices. You really think having one private company with that much control over our energy supply is a good idea?

    Split up Ma Bell--happy with the result?

    Short answer yes. The reason you have a lot of the choices you do is precisely because AT&T was broken up. You might not be old enough to remember what it was like prior to the breakup but I am. Prior to the breakup there was basically no competition in the long distance call market. Unix was in no small part a result of the breakup. AT&T wanted to get into the computer business and the breakup was the price they had to pay to do it. The breakup introduced a lot of competition and innovation that likely would never have happened without it. Could the AT&T breakup have been done better? You could make a case for that. But it almost certainly was a good thing overall.

    Split it up and the parts will recombine in some other form but functionally equivalent.

    Umm, no. The current AT&T has no where near the market power the company had prior to the breakup. I'm not sure you fully appreciate how powerful a monopoly AT&T was prior to the breakup.

  5. The problem is private infrastructure by DalM · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We don't need to break them up, we only need to mandate interoperability between the platforms.

    Compare the internet platforms to telephones. Both are run by super mega-oligopolies. Both are almost completely privately owned yet vital infrastructure. Yet, there is much better competition in phone companies than the big internet companies, consumers have much more power in the market to change. Why? Because your phone can call any other phone. Interoperability is the key. If companies can lock you inter their platform, consumers are slaves to the platform. If they can't, then consumers have all the power.

    1. Re:The problem is private infrastructure by bigpat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We don't need to break them up, we only need to mandate interoperability between the platforms.

      Let's start with video calling so I can video call with my kids from my android phone or desktop or Skype or Facetime or whatever Amazon calls their service. It is completely absurd that there is no standard interoperability in common use to be able to video call between platforms. This is a real failure.

      Then let's reinvent social platforms to be blockchain based, open source and encrypted so you can share your contacts with other contacts and selectively and securely communicate and filter without reliance on a third party provided like Facebook.

      And then let's embrace decentralized AI and decentralized search indexes to reduce reliance on centralized providers like Google. I want my personal AI assistants to exist on local hardware without spying on me and relaying that information to big corporations and the government. And gigabytes of search indexes can be seeded, shared and synced by your personal preference without reliance on a centralized repository.

      And then let's work on making all the lessons of Amazon work with an efficient decentralized supply chain, delivery system and decentralized e-commerce ecosystem.

      We knew the day was coming when our collective laziness would be exploited by eager corporations and their well earned successes would make the winners so big that they become systemic risks. The day is here.