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US Declines in Internet Freedom Rankings (techcrunch.com)

If you need a safe haven on the internet, where the pipes are open and the freedoms are plentiful -- you might want to move to Estonia or Iceland. From a report: The latest "internet freedoms" rankings are out, courtesy of Freedom House's annual report into the state of internet freedoms and personal liberties, based on rankings of 65 countries that represent the vast majority of the world's internet users. Although the U.S. remains firmly in the top 10, it dropped a point on the year earlier after a recent rash of changes to internet regulation and a lack of in the realm of surveillance. Last year, the U.S. was 21 in the global internet freedom ranking -- the lower number, the better a country ranks. That was behind Estonia, Iceland, Canada, Germany and Australia. This year the U.S. is at 22 -- thanks to the repeal of net neutrality and the renewal of U.S. spy powers. The report also cited "disinformation and hyperpartisan content" -- or fake news -- as a "pressing concern."

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  1. Freedom means content you don't like by grasshoppa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Their concerns over "fake news" seems contrary to the notion of "freedom". Freedom means the ability for anyone, anywhere, to do what they will regardless of your opinions.

    Their concerns undermine their credibility, although I do agree that the lack of net neutrality and continued surveillance are concerning.

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    1. Re:Freedom means content you don't like by ChromeAeonuim · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And since Germany outranks the US here, I wonder how they handled the European 'right' to censorship. Say what you will about Ajit Pai and his corporate cronies, I certainty do, at least here in the US I won't face legal trouble for 'insulting someone's dignity' or 'insulting someone's religious sensibilities' (yeah, blasphemy, of all things) or violating someone's 'right to be forgotten' by continuing to host a factual news article.

    2. Re: Freedom means content you don't like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You people make me sick. You co-opt words and act as if you have a right to control other peaceful people. You are the crazy nutter. And while there are crazy nutters on the opposite side of the spectrum as well it doesn't change the fact you're a fucking nut job.

      Few people want to hear what you are talking about, but no government has the right to deprive another of speech or a general right to communicate whatever they want. It's up to each individual to listen to or not or access the so-called 'disinformation' or not.

      From my perspective what you are saying is disinformation. You co-opted words to mean something other than what they actually mean.

    3. Re:Freedom means content you don't like by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > You shouldn't have the right to offend others.

      Bullshit.

      That's how you end with idiotic Political Correctness (aka Censorship) which to quote George Carlin "is Fascidm pretending to be manners."

      Only cowards censor.

    4. Re:Freedom means content you don't like by ChromeAeonuim · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Censorship offends me. Therefore, you should either act in a logically consistent manner and silence yourself, or you should admit that what you really want is the ability to force people to not say certain things that you don't like, which is a very different thing altogether.

      Censorship advocacy is either logical inconsistent, or openly unethical. Pick one.

    5. Re:Freedom means content you don't like by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Freedom means the ability for anyone, anywhere, to do what they will regardless of your opinions.

      That's not what it means. That's never been what it means.

      The philosopher Rudolph Steiner had the most comprehensive discourse on freedom in his book from the late 1800s, The Philosophy of Freedom. He wrote that any definition of human freedom required an "ethical individualism", that required a level of consciousness of self and one's motivations. In other words, taking a shit on the living room floor just because you need to take a shit and happen to be standing in the living room at the time, is not freedom. Your "freedom" in absence of an ethical framework is basically just trolling.

      And if you need to ask, "Well derp, who gets to make up what is ethical?" then you're in luck, because this was also pretty well established by about 300 B.C., and the answer is, "We all do, based upon reason and moral behavior".

      Now, if you need to ask, "Why should we be moral at all?", then you need more help than I can provide in one Slashdot comment.

      This has been another edition of, "Why you should have taken a few Humanities classes when you were working on your Associates degree in Computer Science."

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    6. Re: Freedom means content you don't like by forkfail · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...freedom in the rest of the world includes freedom from disinformation and freedom from propaganda.

      Perhaps if the disinformation and propaganda comes from your own government.

      But defining freedom as only hearing things from other people that you believe to be true?

      That is the exact opposite of freedom.

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    7. Re:Freedom means content you don't like by forkfail · · Score: 2

      But unless you limit freedom of speech, you don't have it. It's like with tolerance. You have to be intolerant of intolerance in order to be tolerant.

      You shouldn't have the right to offend others.

      Well, since you're obviously so good at doublethink, I suspect that you'll completely miss the point when I mention that I find this post offensive.

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    8. Re:Freedom means content you don't like by grasshoppa · · Score: 2

      Well, ok, "Freedom" as a concept is quite a bit more complex than that, and something I was trying to avoid in making my point that "concern" over trolling is contrary to freedom in this context.

      We all give up measures of our freedom to participate in society; that's the cover charge, as it were. At it's most basic, this can be considered a viable definition of "evil" btw; the deprivation of freedom. No one would argue that we should all have absolute freedom, of course, which is where the notion of "necessary evil" comes from.

      That said, I get extremely weary when it comes to applying restrictions on freedom of expression of thought, regardless of the reason. I've seen examples of fake news that were more dependent on the interpretation of the content than the actual content itself. Freedom of speech has been universally recognized as being so critical precisely because of the damage curtailing it causes to society's health.

      That means "fake news" must be allowed, even celebrated, in any society who holds freedom of expression and thought to be a high ideal.

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    9. Re:Freedom means content you don't like by geggam · · Score: 2

      Simply horse kaka

      No one man defined the moral compass for the planet.If it is your room you are free to shit in the middle of it

      That is freedom. Your freedoms end where others begins.

      Problem being other people want their freedoms to invade your space

    10. Re: Freedom means content you don't like by mrclevesque · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Freedom “to” vs. Freedom “from” -

      https://www.open.edu/openlearn...

    11. Re:Freedom means content you don't like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And if you need to ask, "Well derp, who gets to make up what is ethical?" then you're in luck, because this was also pretty well established by about 300 B.C., and the answer is, "We all do, based upon reason and moral behavior".

      Good morning. Ethics professor here. Let's unpack that statement.

      Moral behavior is ethical. What is ethical? Moral behavior. Remember, from your humanities classes, that ethics and morals are greek and latin words with the same meaning from "about 300 B.C."

      Steiner's rationalization is that freedom is a subset of ethics, which clearly is political science, not an ethical concept. He confused prescription for description. Which is the reason why no professional philosopher takes Steiner's freedoms as anything more than a curiosity. The former is ethics, the latter is best served by science.

      Freedom is an ability. Specifically, and most famously from the humanities courses you seem to feel as an authority, liberty of spontaneity and liberty of indifference. The ability to do as one chooses and the ability to not do as one does not choose. If and only if a person has both, can they be said to have freedom.

      Finally, if one is to take advice on ethics, perhaps do not do so from someone that is unethical in the first place, demeaning and insulting his way as if ethics is about winning arguments rather than cogent ones:

      This has been another edition of, "Why you should have taken a few Humanities classes when you were working on your Associates degree in Computer Science."

      Philosophy has contributed a great deal to Computer Science. Even critical tools such as truth tables and function-argument forms. Computer Science also has contributed a great deal to humanities such as abstractions, large-scale analytic methodologies, and topological breakthroughs. Do not look down on specialists. They contribute just as much as those of us lucky enough to be interdisciplinary.

  2. I'd say more but... by 3seas · · Score: 5, Interesting

    With shadow banning, FB jail, twitter censorship, deleted accounts due any number of excuses. And lets not forget the spy vs spy MAD Mag comic of the deep state. Julian Assange last interview he talked about those being born today will be the last generation to be free... I'm trying to get a head start of my unfreedom. May I be marked a troll for this.

    1. Re:I'd say more but... by forkfail · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We've handed the Town Square to a few powerful individuals and corporations.

      And the denizens that are allowed to live in said Town Square loves their unilaterally declared regulation and iron fisted control.

      What that those inside the town square should be wondering about is what is going to happen when there are more that have been pushed out of the town square than are allowed into the echo chamber it is becoming.

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  3. On the Contrary by SmaryJerry · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I believe the problem with "disinformation and hyper partisan content" is who is deciding what qualifies as such. Major platforms Facebook, Youtube, Google, and Twitter have come under intense criticism for the way they decide what is fake news, whether through algorithms, hiring third parties (that could be partisan), or having real people do the job who mislabeling without consequence and thus preventing people from seeing the news, real or fake. Many reporters believe their real news is being mistakenly called fake or being included in a vague undefined definition of hate speech. The corporations try to use an excess of caution on the subject of hate speech that results in even preventing real statistics from being published by organizations if the statistic includes ethnicity or race in any negative light. While it is not the government doing the limiting, there is an only a handful of large tech corporations that decide how many people you can reach with your message and/or whether your message is appropriate. People can create their own websites but it is a bit like shouting in an empty room, you have free speech but no one can hear you.

  4. What about "hate speech"? by mi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The report also cited "disinformation and hyperpartisan content" -- or fake news -- as a "pressing concern."

    Freedom of speech must — in a society without the Ministry of Truth — include the freedom to lie.

    But the targeting of "hate speech" ought to be a "pressing concern" — and for the same reasons. No one lamenting the demise of the "Net Neutrality" would agree, that the regulation would've prevented the persecution of Gab.com, for example. On the contrary, these same people claim "free speech" has become a very lazy excuse to tolerate hatred and the ignorance".

    It immediately follows, US still has "too much" freedom — unlike the enlightened and sophisticated Europeans.

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    1. Re:What about "hate speech"? by mujadaddy · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I'm pretty uncomfortable with them being deplatformed, too. I don't think that you can on the one hand say you support the principles of free expression and on the other say "Oh, well, that makes me uncomfortable."

      On the other hand, no one has to pay for the bits which make up your speech, and the government isn't involved, so I'm not sure this is the exact hill on which to die.

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    2. Re:What about "hate speech"? by mi · · Score: 3, Informative

      that content wouldn't even have a chance of being hosted in Germany.

      Exactly! And yet, Germany is rated higher than the United States in that report... According to the report-publishers, TFA, and the other so-called "Liberals", America's freedom of speech — what's left of it — is detrimental to "Internet freedom". Which tells you all you need to know about this report...

      preventing a private entity from [...]

      The report — and TFA — both mention pure-private concerns like "fake news" and absence of "net neutrality" as valid. That means, they disagree with you regarding the role of private entities — and what can and cannot be done with them by government to improve "Internet freedom" (as they define it).

      certain opinions completely, commercially-speaking, toxic

      As I argue elsewhere, providing a forum for the despicables is not — should not be — any more toxic, than defending same in court. If a private Internet-company is toxic over allowing Robert Bowers to speak his mind before he committed his atrocity, a private law-firm defending him in front of a jury after it ought to be toxic as well — their bank-accounts closed (Paypal did stop accepting Gab's payments), the lawyers involved disbarred (GoDaddy not hosting their domain-name).

      Heck, the private doctors treating him for wounds sustained in a firefight with police must be toxic too, by the same logic... Would you have approved of such boycotts too? Probably not...

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  5. Re: RTFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Net neutrality going away has nothing to do with personal freedom. It does mean Netflix is going to have to charge more and give cable companies a cut. And it means YouTube may be totally broken and hopefully Google can put the pieces back together into a new business model.

  6. Re:RTFS by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Insightful

    > Facebook bans aren't the risk to your freedom. Losing Net Neutrality OTOH is.

    Your total lack of self-awareness here is hilarious.

    Corporate censorship is as much a threat to your freedom as government surveillance.

    You are quite literally manning the barricades on behalf of Robber Barons.

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  7. Re:RTFS by butchersong · · Score: 2

    Sure, you are only forced to use private platforms if you wish to be heard. In practice, if I live say in North Korea, I am free to say whatever I want as long as it is in my own room but this does not mean I'm free. The problem is that every venue you can use to communicate online that has any real audience is privately owned. I'm not saying I know what the solution is but I can definitely appreciate the people voicing concerns.

  8. Re:Huh? by fazig · · Score: 3, Informative

    The (German) laws have nothing to do with something as silly as using the wrong pronouns for someone. That is protected speech. You can also hate people as much as you want and tell everyone about it. That is protected speech as well.
    There's a law against speech that incites the masses called "Volksverhetzung", which is usually applied when speech contains calls for violence and or other arbitrary actions against groups of people. You can read about it accurately enough on Wikipedia.

    Then there's laws against slander, which exist in pretty much any civilized nations, of course including the US. Cases rarely hold up in court, because of their difficult nature.

  9. Re: RTFS by astrofurter · · Score: 2

    Disagree. Corporate censorship is a direct affront to personal freedom of speech and conscience. Lack of net neutrality is a financial threat to web publishers, and therefore an indirect threat to freedom of speech.

    Both are important. But our first priority must be reducing censorship on the de facto public squares of the internet.