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NASA's Dawn Spacecraft Is Dead (theverge.com)

NASA's Dawn spacecraft has run out of fuel, leading the agency to officially end its mission of exploring the two largest objects in the asteroid belt, Vesta and Ceres. "Today, we celebrate the end of our Dawn mission -- its incredible technical achievements, the vital science it gave us and the entire team who enabled the spacecraft to make these discoveries," Thomas Zurbuchen, associate administrator of NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington, D.C., said in a statement. "The astounding images and data that Dawn collected from Vesta and Ceres are critical to understanding the history and evolution of our solar system," Zurbuchen added. Space.com reports: The $467 million Dawn mission launched in September 2007 to study the protoplanet Vesta and the dwarf planet Ceres, which are about 330 miles (530 kilometers) and 590 miles (950 km) wide, respectively. Scientists regard these two bodies as leftovers from the solar system's planet-formation period, which explains the mission's name. Dawn arrived at Vesta in July 2011, then scrutinized the object from orbit for 14 months. The probe's work revealed many intriguing details about Vesta. For example, liquid water once flowed across the protoplanet's surface (likely after buried ice was melted by meteorite impacts), and Vesta sports a towering peak near its south pole that's nearly as tall as Mars' famous Olympus Mons volcano. Dawn left Vesta in September 2012.

The mission team concluded that Dawn had run out of hydrazine after the probe missed scheduled communication check-ins yesterday (Oct. 31) and today. Hydrazine is the fuel used by Dawn's pointing thrusters, so the spacecraft can no longer orient itself to study Ceres, relay data to Earth or recharge its solar panels. Dawn will remain in orbit around Ceres for at least 20 years, and probably much longer than that. Mission team members have said there's a greater than 99 percent probability that the probe won't spiral down onto Ceres' frigid, battered surface for at least five more decades.
It's been a rough week for space explorers as not only did Dawn run out of fuel, but the Kepler telescope did too and had to be retired.

86 comments

  1. Dawn of the Dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Movie title for this. TM.

  2. So does that mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Dawn of the Dead?

    1. Re:So does that mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe it means that the Sun Has Set over Dawn!

  3. Not dead ... resting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It ran out of gas in the middle of no where. Eventually someone will retrieve it.... in about 50 years. I hope it and the Mars rovers will someday be put in a Museum, though I'll probably be long dead myself before that happens.

    1. Re:Not dead ... resting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pining for the fjords?

    2. Re:Not dead ... resting by Mal-2 · · Score: 2

      You are right that someone may retrieve it, but that is because it is not in the middle of nowhere. It's in orbit around an object that is rather easy to track, and is the largest object in its class (asteroid) by far. If it's not disturbed, and we as a species live long enough, then someone will pay it a visit.

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    3. Re:Not dead ... resting by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      It will end up on eBay or something.

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    4. Re:Not dead ... resting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Eventually someone will retrieve it

      Why would anyone do that?

      > in about 50 years.

      What makes you think it will be feasible in about 50 years? There is currently no prospect whatsoever of a significant increase in efficiency of propulsion technology (unlike for instance significant increase in micro electronics technology).

    5. Re:Not dead ... resting by SCVonSteroids · · Score: 1

      Now.. I'm no expert... but since there's no fuel left to stay in orbit wouldn't it eventually crash into the object it's orbiting?

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    6. Re:Not dead ... resting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Orbiting in general doesn't require fuel. For example, Earth orbits the Sun without assistance. The ISS needs periodic boosting because it's at an altitude low enough to have some minuscule amount of air resistance, but this won't be a problem at Ceres since it has practically no atmosphere. Dawn's orbit will be affected by things like the asteroid's uneven shape, a tiny pressure from solar wind, outgassing from components, maybe Jupiter's gravity... Things that make it just unpredictable enough that if Dawn's orbit is close enough to the surface it might crash after a very long period of time - or it might not. The forces involved are really small, so it could well be there for thousands of years.

    7. Re:Not dead ... resting by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      More likely that it will come back many years later and want to talk to some whales. Lets hope there are some left.

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  4. five decades is more than enough time.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for elon to launch a repair mission

  5. Re:FUCK YOU by sheramil · · Score: 0

    Twit. What would be the point of impeaching a space probe that's run out of fuel? Do you suspect that it sold the fuel to Jovian insurgents?

  6. 16-psyche mission by Tough+Love · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Upcoming mission to 16-psyche the most interesting asteroid, 100 km diameter, known to be metallic nickel-iron. Was it originally part of the molten core of a destroyed planet? We want to know. Launches in 2022, arrives in orbit 2026. Like Dawn, has a very cool ion thrust motor, looks like old science fiction.

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    1. Re:16-psyche mission by Arnold+Reinhold · · Score: 2

      From the NASA Psyche web site: "The Psyche mission will test a sophisticated new laser communication technology that encodes data in photons (rather than radio waves) to communicate between a probe in deep space and Earth." Maybe some of the engineers laid off from the Dawn team could be employed as technical proof readers for NASA PR.

    2. Re: 16-psyche mission by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Don't hold your breath. You would think that even their PR department would have some basic science knowledge, but apparently even just that is asking too much ...

    3. Re: 16-psyche mission by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      What are you blathering about?

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    4. Re:16-psyche mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not sure what your problem is with the statement -

      Currently, with radio, we encode data "many photons at a time" using waves. A single photon doesn't carry much energy at X or Ka band (8 or 32 GHz, respectively).

      The high performance optical comm is actually using single photon detectors and coherent transmitting.

    5. Re: 16-psyche mission by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Ah, sure, let's make some noise. NASA guys surely read slashdot, not reddit, right?

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    6. Re:16-psyche mission by jpaine619 · · Score: 1

      WTF? Radio waves are made of photons...

  7. Solar panels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would the solar panels ever not face the sun, come on NASA

    1. Re:Solar panels by Pikoro · · Score: 1

      Typically, the cameras and scientific instruments on a probe aren't mounted on the same side as the solar panels and/or communications dish. This means that you point the probe so it's dish is facing away from earth so you can take pictures and do science. Then it reorients itself back into a communications position. Rinse, Repeat. When the probe runs out of fuel, it can't do this anymore. This isn't KSP.

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    2. Re:Solar panels by XXongo · · Score: 1

      Why would the solar panels ever not face the sun

      Because the probe is out of fuel used to maintain pointing.

  8. Re:FUCK YOU by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    Sold it? It was stolen!

  9. Re:FUCK YOU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unfounded, scurrilous accusations.

  10. Time for Desperado strategies by RobinBermanseder · · Score: 1

    Can any part of the circuitry be driven sufficiently to set up an
    elecron loop (using the remaining solar energy collection) so as to
    slowly rotate the craft (via Newtons third law) into a better orientation
    for solar collection and/or observation?
    That might buy time for a better idea...

    1. Re: Time for Desperado strategies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. Real-life engineering is not trekkie technobabble pedo shit.

    2. Re: Time for Desperado strategies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IRL we have something called reaction wheels although, I wonder why they aren't used for this probe.

    3. Re: Time for Desperado strategies by stevelinton · · Score: 3, Informative

      They were, they failed.
      https://www.nasa.gov/feature/j...

    4. Re: Time for Desperado strategies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because hydrazine thrusters are far more reliable and satisfied the requirements for this mission.

    5. Re:Time for Desperado strategies by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

      I suggested they reverse the neutron flow. But I will send them your suggestion as well.

    6. Re:Time for Desperado strategies by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I suggested they reverse the neutron flow. But I will send them your suggestion as well.

      Better make certain to dampen the tachyon transfer rate, or else the inertial damper field will collapse and create a temporal anomaly. We don't want to do that again!

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    7. Re: Time for Desperado strategies by pz · · Score: 1

      [Reaction wheels] were [used], they failed.
      https://www.nasa.gov/feature/j...

      Someone needs to improve that design if four out of four failed in only a handful of years.

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    8. Re: Time for Desperado strategies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They worked for the projected duration of the mission. Spacecraft are built around a mission, the rest is a bonus. You do not overbuild or overcomplicate a design, or add unnecessarily features which mean more mass and more power consumption. It's a robot, it does its job and goodbye. Engineers know that. Shit nerds do not.

    9. Re:Time for Desperado strategies by XXongo · · Score: 1

      Can any part of the circuitry be driven sufficiently to set up an elecron loop (using the remaining solar energy collection) so as to slowly rotate the craft (via Newtons third law) into a better orientation for solar collection and/or observation?

      Good idea, but no. A current loop will push against an external magnetic field, but in the outer solar system, the external field is so weak as to be essentially zero.

      Also, there typically aren't big current loops in the circuitry of modern electronics, simply because there is no reason to put loops in.

    10. Re: Time for Desperado strategies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks.

  11. "Today we celebrate the end of...the entire team"? by Entrope · · Score: 1

    Seriously, are we not doing phrasing any more?

    Or are they going to inter the entire team with the dead spacecraft, so that the team may continue to do science and otherwise support the mission in the afterlife?

  12. Get a clue. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Why does two incredibly successful missions coming to an expected end qualify as causing a rough week? I really wish we had some editors with a clue.

  13. Dawn Journal by Tim+the+Gecko · · Score: 3, Informative

    I will miss the Dawn Journal which has been a fascinating description of the engineering behind the mission.

  14. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day by Penmanpro · · Score: 1

    Following the logic "Even a stopped clock is right twice a day" I would guess that the probe will sometimes get light enough to power itself as it orbits - likewise it might be able to send sometimes Maybe these charge and send widows could be used to take snap shot in a new mission mode rather than letting it rot. I suppose that reprogramming it the catch as you need it to and have power at the same time for now A relay satellite would be handy, to widen the send receive window enough to use the point when the natural orientation lets solar power it.

  15. Space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it's all fake

    1. Re:Space by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      The universe is 2-dimensional. There is no space, only area.

    2. Re:Space by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      The universe is 2-dimensional. There is no space, only area.

      Climbing a ladder must seem like travelling in hyperspace to you.

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    3. Re:Space by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I always put the ladder flat before climbing. It's a lot safer.

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    4. Re:Space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congrats. This is the first comment in a long time to actually get me to laugh out loud legitimately. Bravo!

  16. Why do these stories link to so little data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An article about the mission over and running out of fuel. At my funeral I'm hoping for at least some photos of what I actually did in life and not artist renderings. Even a photo of how it was built would be interesting.

    1. Re:Why do these stories link to so little data by careysub · · Score: 1

      Maybe you should rethink this. You'll look a lot better in artist renderings.

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  17. Not going back to retrieve stuff by sjbe · · Score: 2

    It ran out of gas in the middle of no where. Eventually someone will retrieve it.... in about 50 years.

    We haven't been back to the Moon in 50 years which is FAR easier to get to. Thinking we're going to be back to Ceres to retrieve a dead probe within another 50 years seems extremely improbable. I know we're all excited about what SpaceX and the rest are doing but let's pump the brakes slightly shall we? Our progress in space isn't going that quickly. Nobody is going to fund a mission to retrieve this thing because there is no economic or scientific value in doing so. If we do send a craft capable of retrieving stuff there are FAR more interesting things to retrieve than a dead probe.

    1. Re:Not going back to retrieve stuff by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      My first computer only had 64k memory and my current one has 16GB. Cellphones used to be lugged around in cases, now they can fit on my wrist. People used to say humans can't fly. Therefore we will get the probe within 50 years.

    2. Re:Not going back to retrieve stuff by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      My first computer only had 64k memory and my current one has 16GB. Cellphones used to be lugged around in cases, now they can fit on my wrist. People used to say humans can't fly. Therefore we will get the probe within 50 years.

      Five hundred years ago, the fastest a human being had ever travelled was 25mph on a horse. A hundred years ago, early planes could reach 100mph. Fifty years ago, the Apollo missions travelled at 24,000 mph.

      In another fifty years, we'll have space liners going several times the speed of light, and popping to an asteroid will be like walking over the road to a corner shop.

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    3. Re: Not going back to retrieve stuff by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      The difference is that the path to making computers more powerful was already known back then and it was a matter of further miniaturizing components in an IC. How humans will travel space for long periods of time when current life support systems are feasible for short terms? The energy requirements are also daunting. There are several ideas for better propulsion that are only in experimental stages at the moment.

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    4. Re:Not going back to retrieve stuff by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      It ran out of gas in the middle of no where. Eventually someone will retrieve it.... in about 50 years.

      We haven't been back to the Moon in 50 years which is FAR easier to get to. Thinking we're going to be back to Ceres to retrieve a dead probe within another 50 years seems extremely improbable. I know we're all excited about what SpaceX and the rest are doing but let's pump the brakes slightly shall we?

      He didn't say humans. He said someone. I don't give all that good of odds that humans will even be here in 50 years, or if they are, able to send anything to space.

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    5. Re:Not going back to retrieve stuff by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      In another fifty years, we'll have space liners going several times the speed of light, and popping to an asteroid will be like walking over the road to a corner shop.

      We tend to be much better at predicting the past than the future.

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    6. Re:Not going back to retrieve stuff by Bobrick · · Score: 1

      That's cool and all, but -why- would we go back to it?

    7. Re:Not going back to retrieve stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I saw a movie about this. It was called "Welcome to the World of 1960!" Copyright was 1934. I can't even get a stupid flying car yet. The trick, you see, is knowing which snake oil is going to remain snake oil, and who it is peddling it.

    8. Re:Not going back to retrieve stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It ran out of gas in the middle of no where. Eventually someone will retrieve it.... in about 50 years.

      We haven't been back to the Moon in 50 years which is FAR easier to get to. Thinking we're going to be back to Ceres to retrieve a dead probe within another 50 years seems extremely improbable.

      Rememer that The Apollo 11 ascent stage was left in Lunar orbit to be retreived by a future mission a few years later.
      If that wasn't important enough to recover to put in a museum, there is no possiblity of returning a Ceres probe.

    9. Re: Not going back to retrieve stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You ignorant dickshitter
      Ftl isnt possible

    10. Re:Not going back to retrieve stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rememer that The Apollo 11 ascent stage was left in Lunar orbit to be retreived by a future mission a few years later.

      I don't remember that, and orbits around the moon tend not to be stable. This source - https://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/pl... - says it is not in orbit.

    11. Re: Not going back to retrieve stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I get tired of hearing that one about how no one had ever gone more than 25 mph before the locomotive. Sledding and skiing have been around for thousands of years.

    12. Re:Not going back to retrieve stuff by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      And because your sister got married yesterday, she'll have two more husbands by tomorrow.

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    13. Re:Not going back to retrieve stuff by careysub · · Score: 1

      Five hundred years ago, the fastest a human being had ever travelled was 25mph on a horse. A hundred years ago, early planes could reach 100mph. Fifty years ago, the Apollo missions travelled at 24,000 mph.

      In another fifty years, we'll have space liners going several times the speed of light, and popping to an asteroid will be like walking over the road to a corner shop.

      Not sure if this was intended seriously or not.

      A real account of human travel is that humans were limited to 4 MPH for long distances, until they learned to ride horses about 5500 years ago, and then they reached 25 MPH. But that reached the limit of the new technique no further progress was made for 5300 years.

      The steam locomotives were invented, and then internal combustion engines, and the ability to travel rose to around 100 MPH by the beginning of the 20th Century. But that came close to reaching the practical limit of land transportation, and has only climbed to about 250 MPH recently (on limited routes)more than a century later, and any prospects for further increase depend on exotic evacuated tunnels on even more limited routes.

      But airplanes were invented at the start of the 20th Century, and by 1940 had got close to the practical limit for air transportation of just below the speed of sound (about 750 MPH), though it was not until about 1960 that this became available generally (with extremely limited aircraft travel up to about 1600 MPH). And having reached the practical limit of air travel, has not advanced at all in 60 years, speed-wise.

      But rockets were demonstrated that could propel humans to 25000 MPH by the late 1960s, but this was close to the practical limit for chemical rockets, and in the next 50 years it has not advanced at all.

      Exotic space propulsion (electric drives, nuclear propulsion) promised higher velocities, up to 360,000 MPH maybe but until fusion power comes along that will be roughly the limit. No know physics will support travel faster than about 5% c.

      I remember an speculative article in Analog Science Fiction Magazine from the 1970s that extrapolated from the (then recent) increase in manned speeds (25000 MPH) to confidently predict that by the power of this arithmetic magic, that we would be travelling at light-speed right now, which clearly we aren't.

      The real story is that new technologies come along, boost maximum speeds until they reach their technical limit. The progress stops (and least as measured as distance traveled in time "t").

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  18. False equivalency by sjbe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My first computer only had 64k memory and my current one has 16GB. Cellphones used to be lugged around in cases, now they can fit on my wrist. People used to say humans can't fly. Therefore we will get the probe within 50 years.

    Got any more irrelevant analogies to throw in there? How about the rate of internet adoption in third world countries or the rapid adoption of yoga pants? I have to assume you are trolling...

    Pro tip. The rate of increase of memory in your computer has fuck-all to do with the problems of deep space travel.

    Just because we've made fast progress in one field doesn't mean we are capable of making equivalently fast progress in a completely different endeavor. We've been doing space travel for about 60 years now and we haven't made more than incremental leaps in capabilities for 40 years. Most of the people reading this weren't even alive the last time we put a man on the moon.

    1. Re:False equivalency by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Just because we've made fast progress in one field doesn't mean we are capable of making equivalently fast progress in a completely different endeavor.

      It's a bit like how we can cure some cancers but there's fuck all we can do about asperger's.

      To pick a purely arbitrary example totally at random.

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    2. Re:False equivalency by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Got any more irrelevant analogies to throw in there? How about the rate of internet adoption in third world countries or the rapid adoption of yoga pants?

      Yoga pants? Now there's an idea I can get behind.

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    3. Re:False equivalency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That account is one of the space nutter trolls that assumes under every rock and behind every story is some space nutter who can't tell the difference between Star Trek and reality. A couple such accounts/ACs complain about how no one ever calls out BS space science here, and hence they are the only sane person fighting for truth in a world of crazy people. To prove this they sometimes make fake posts that look like the exact boogey man they claim to be fighting, only the ignore how many people call out the BS to continue their delusion about how every person/engineer/scientist/etc involved or promoting space is a gullible idiot who never always fall for BS. I think some people start replying with further troll responses, as some of the stupid replies are from accounts that should know much better.

  19. Re:FUCK YOU by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

    Twit. What would be the point of impeaching a space probe that's run out of fuel? Do you suspect that it sold the fuel to Jovian insurgents?

    I just know the Cardassians are behind this!

    Or is that the Kardashians?

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  20. Refueling? by carni · · Score: 1

    It seems like the point of failure for a lot of these efforts is fuel supply. They should incorporate some kind of refueling function. I think it would be much cheaper to send a fuel tank to a rendezvous then launch a replacement device. Kepler could probably run another 10 years and it's right there.

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    1. Re:Refueling? by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      For roughly the same cost and effort of your fuel truck, we can send up another probe with far better capabilities.

      These probes are disposable and already way past their design life. There are a lot of other mechanical failures that have built up. And we don't build them tougher because that makes them heavier (and so would in-flight refueling).

  21. Re:FUCK YOU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hurr durr...Orange Man BAD!!!!

  22. If you don't praise yourself... by mi · · Score: 2

    "Today, we celebrate the end of our Dawn mission -- its incredible technical achievements, the vital science it gave us and the entire team who enabled the spacecraft to make these discoveries," Thomas Zurbuchen, associate administrator of NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington, D.C., said in a statement

    There was a saying in USSR, that loosely translates as: "If you don't praise yourself in the morning, all day you'll feel like having been spat on..."

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    1. Re:If you don't praise yourself... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Besides kn0wing how to gain kompromat and generally flip fascists towards supporting them, a lot of their proverbs are highly accurate.

  23. Naive extrapolation by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Five hundred years ago, the fastest a human being had ever travelled was 25mph on a horse. A hundred years ago, early planes could reach 100mph. Fifty years ago, the Apollo missions travelled at 24,000 mph. In another fifty years, we'll have space liners going several times the speed of light, and popping to an asteroid will be like walking over the road to a corner shop.

    You've been watching too many science fiction movies. Presuming you aren't trolling, I admire the optimism but it isn't going to go down like that. You are just extrapolating naively based on unrelated past events with cherry picked data. There is no evidence based reason to believe your hypothesis and considerable evidence to doubt it. Our progress in the last 50 years has been somewhere between mild incremental advancement and a regression in capabilities. The economics of space travel haven't improved much - basically only major nation states and a few mega corporations can afford to loft something into low earth orbit much less into deep space. Despite the efforts of SpaceX and others that isn't likely to see more than modest improvement in the next few decades. Dropping the cost of a launch from hundreds of millions to tens of millions still puts it well out of economic viability for most of the population.

    My take is that it will be a few centuries before we can get more than a handful of people routinely off the surface of Earth.

  24. Cost per Day of Use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really.. 468 million for 4020 days?

    Cost
    $467,000,000

    Estimated Launch Date
    09/01/07

    Official Retire
    11/01/18

    Total Days
    4020

    $ / Day
    $116,169.15

    Where do I sign up for that?!

  25. Umm... what? by sjbe · · Score: 1

    He didn't say humans. He said someone.

    Umm, if it isn't humans then who exactly? Last I checked we have no evidence of aliens with an interest in dead probes near Ceres and my border collie isn't about to start a space program any time soon no matter how many treats I offer him.

    1. Re: Umm... what? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Hush! We all know the aliens who built the pyramids are coming back for their stuff. I've said too much.

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    2. Re:Umm... what? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      He didn't say humans. He said someone.

      Umm, if it isn't humans then who exactly?

      Whoosh.

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  26. Not a rough day at all... by Alinraz · · Score: 1

    What wasn't clear from the post is both missions (Dawn and Kepler) were both successful and lasted well past their intended mission lengths. Specifically, Dawn was finished over a year ago, and at that point they decided that they'd continue to collect data until the fuel ran out - which happened yesterday. Kepler lasted well over twice its designed mission lifetime. Again - "it still works, so we'll use it until the fuel runs out".

    Kepler ended up surveying over 500,000 stars and has detected greater than 2600 planets. The data collected will be continued to be used for decades to come to find more planets and other information about the physics of planetary system development. The successor to Kepler, the Transiting Exoplanet Survey Satellite (TESS) was launched in April and just had first-light a couple of months ago.

    Dawn was successful as the first NASA probe to use ion drives which let it enter and leave the orbits of the two asteroids. It successfully made maps of both bodies as well as detailed spectroscopic maps in both the infrared and visible spectrums.

    Both missions did excellent science, outlived their planned lifetimes and should be celebrated for it.

  27. Think he's expecting panels on controllable mount by perpenso · · Score: 1

    Why would the solar panels ever not face the sun

    Because the probe is out of fuel used to maintain pointing.

    I think he's asking why the panels are not on some sort of electrically controlled mount that can be oriented independently of the spacecraft. I'm not advocating for that design, just interpreting his question.

  28. Re:It's dead because by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I beat it with MY FISTS!

    Well you should have listened to your Mom when she told you to stop doing that.

  29. Re:Think he's expecting panels on controllable mou by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    some spacecraft have panels on a gimbal. Some have comm antennas on a gimbal. These days, almost all spacecraft have the instruments body mounted. It's really complex to have a spun and despun part of a spacecraft so that some instruments are spun and others aren't.

    Juno is spin stabilized, and it's a royal pain to deal with, particularly if you change orientation (because of that whole conservation of momentum thing and gyroscopic action).