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America Braces For Daylight Saving Time - And Missing Medical Records (usatoday.com)

"One hundred years after Congress passed the first daylight saving legislation, more and more people are doubting the wisdom of changing the clocks," writes PBS, noting that it actually makes Americans use more electricity and consume more gasoline.

"If you can find anyone who supports this, they're probably just trolling you," writes Inc magazine's contributor editor, adding "Literally everyone hates it... It's almost impossible to find anyone who still supports this insane, anachronistic idea, which is leftover from a German coal conservation idea during World War I, and our heck-we'll-try-anything panic during the energy crisis of the 1970s." In fact, one study found that while consumer spending increases a bit at the start of daylight savings, it drops a full 3.5 percent in the wrong direction when it ends. (Which will happen tonight in most U.S. states at 2:00 a.m.)

And now USA Today points out that hospital software "still can't handle daylight saving time: Epic Systems, one of the most popular electronic health records software systems used by hospitals, can delete records or require cumbersome workarounds when clocks are set back for an hour -- prompting many hospitals to opt for paper records for part of the night shift. And it happens every year... Dr. Steven Stack, a past president of the American Medical Association, called the glitches "perplexing" and "unacceptable," considering that hospitals spend millions of dollars on these systems, and Apple and Google seem to have dealt with seasonal time changes long ago...

Carol Hawthorne-Johnson, an intensive care unit nurse in California, said her hospital doesn't shut down the Epic system during the fall time change. But she's come to expect that the vital signs she enters into the system from 1 a.m. to 2 a.m. Sunday will be deleted when the clock falls back to 1 a.m. One hour's worth of electronic record-keeping "is gone," she said. Hospital staff have learned to deal with it by taking extra chart notes by hand... Many hospitals use Cerner, another major electronic medical records company. Those hospitals plan for Cerner to be down during the time change, too.

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  1. Just sick of this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The absolute worst part of DST is the stupid semiannual bitchfest on Slashdot.

  2. UTC people by plopez · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't know how many times as a programmer, QA, team lead, sysadmin, and manager I had to pound the concept of Universal Time Coordinates into programmers heads. As well as ntp. Both are critical in real life applications. This is one of many reasons I have come to look upon most programmers with disdain and disgust.

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    1. Re: UTC people by Darinbob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A: "Why are you in charge of the design?"
      B: "Because I'm a medical records expert!"
      A: "Do you understand time zones, DST, and all their implications?"
      B: "It's just time, how hard can it be? I'm sure all the junior programmers working on it understand that stuff."

    2. Re: UTC people by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 5, Informative

      And as a result it gets light at 430am in the summer. You're not even up at 6am and it is full daylight outside.

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    3. Re:UTC people by Solandri · · Score: 4, Informative

      The problem here is that medical software is generally old. Programmers naively expect everyone to update software constantly, which is not feasible when the updates are expensive and require additional training

      It's not an update problem. I help maintain the computers and software for several doctors. HIPAA required all hospitals and private practices to switch to electronic medical records by 2013. That deadline and more recent requirements being phased in (ICD-10 - standardized codes for reasons for a medical visit - was required a couple years back) means all medical software is relatively new or updated recently. Any doctor using software more than about 2 years old (for ICD-10) is operating illegally.

      The fact that the programmers writing this software are using local time instead of UTC is sheer ignorance, laziness, or incompetence. Another scenario I can think of where local time is a problem is if a patient visits their doctor on the east coast, then immediately flies to the west coast and is hospitalized. The west coast hospital will request the electronic records from the doctor on the east coast. Because it takes some time for the doctor's staff to enter and finalize the data from the patient's visit, due to the different time zones some of the data the west coast hospital receives will be timestamped in the future if the software uses local time.

  3. Re:Here's some fun by blindseer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Give someone some LSD tonight and then change the clocks.

    I do that every weekend, what makes this weekend any different?

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  4. Keep it on daylight saving forever please. by antdude · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I love the later sunsets at the evenings. ;)

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  5. Re:this again... by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 4, Informative

    All the same problems happen if you change timezones when you move.

    Um, no. When you move, you're in a different place. I know that's a challenging notion for someone who lives in Mom's basement, but please do try.

    When we we go off DST here, you go from sunset at 5PM one day to sunset at 4PM the next. It is quite unsettling.

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  6. Re: As far as I know by peppepz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is more complicated than it seems. In the EU, northern countries (who seem to be the ones who actually care) want DST to be always off, while southern countries want it to be always on. So after the switch we might end up with "horizontal timezones" where previously we had no timezone difference at all, and this way incompetent programmers who store dates as strings will cause damage all year round instead of twice a year. In the US it might not be much of a problem because people are already used to different timezones.

  7. Is it really that difficult? by ukoda · · Score: 5, Funny

    Am I the only one who finds it amusing that America can defend the use of Imperial measurements and yet is it daylights savings that is too hard?

    Yea, sorry, mark down as flame bait if you must, but I still find this funny.

  8. Re:Any software... by arcade · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The problem with Leap seconds is that they are really, really problematic under unix. Unixtime literally doesn't have leap seconds. There are hacks and workarounds, but only that.

    There are only two real solutions:

    1. Get rid of the concept of leap seconds. The earth's rotation will slowly drift out of sync with astronomical time - but only with about a minute per century. Let someone deal with a leap hour in 6000 years time. Having all of society deal with astronomers who don't want to keep track of this on their own is just silly.

    2. Redefine unixtime to include leapseconds. Change the POSIX standard and all other relevant standards to have unix run on TAI instead of UTC. Keep an /etc/leapseconds where all leapseconds are inserted. Let the system time conversion libraries deal with the conversions authoratatively.

    And don't get me started on the hackish fugliness of leap second smearing. Ye gods is that an ugly hack.

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  9. Han Solo in carbonite by Latent+Heat · · Score: 4, Funny

    The "word on the street" is that Epic Systems has a high level of employee turnover, in part because of burnout of the persons involved, in part because the company's approach to firing people being that of the Queen of Hearts from Alice in Wonderland ("Off with his head!").

    I have been told by people who have been out to their Verona, WI campus that there is a wall, where employees reaching their 2-year employment anniversary record their hand prints in plaster. I guess a 2 year anniversary is a big milestone if you work there.

    My question is, are those hand prints on the outside pushing in, or are do they appear from the inside of the wall pushing out?