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Chinese 'Gait Recognition' Tech IDs People By How They Walk; Police Have Started Using It on Streets of Beijing and Shanghai (apnews.com)

Chinese authorities have begun deploying a new surveillance tool: "gait recognition" software that uses people's body shapes and how they walk to identify them, even when their faces are hidden from cameras. From a report: Already used by police on the streets of Beijing and Shanghai, "gait recognition" is part of a push across China to develop artificial-intelligence and data-driven surveillance that is raising concern about how far the technology will go. Huang Yongzhen, the CEO of Watrix, said that its system can identify people from up to 50 meters (165 feet) away, even with their back turned or face covered. This can fill a gap in facial recognition, which needs close-up, high-resolution images of a person's face to work. "You don't need people's cooperation for us to be able to recognize their identity," Huang said in an interview in his Beijing office. "Gait analysis can't be fooled by simply limping, walking with splayed feet or hunching over, because we're analyzing all the features of an entire body."

135 comments

  1. Obviously supervised by ... by nospam007 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...the Ministry of Silly Walks.

    I know, but now we got it out of the way.

    1. Re:Obviously supervised by ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I sometimes poop my pants and walk a little different.

    2. Re:Obviously supervised by ... by jwymanm · · Score: 2

      Oblig, damn you parent, https://giphy.com/gifs/ministr... John Cleese forever.

    3. Re:Obviously supervised by ... by Patent+Lover · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry to have kept you waiting, but I'm afraid my walk has become rather sillier recently, and so it takes me rather longer to get to work.

    4. Re: Obviously supervised by ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I walk different the few times I donâ(TM)t have shit filling my pants.

    5. Re:Obviously supervised by ... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      I was thinking the same.

      It seems going forward to have any hope of privacy not being tracked, I'm gonna need silly walks from Python, and a scramble suit from A Scanner Darkly....

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    6. Re:Obviously supervised by ... by balbeir · · Score: 2
      Also, Young Frankenstein comes to mind.

      Walk this way...

    7. Re:Obviously supervised by ... by nerdonamotorcycle · · Score: 2

      If I could walk that way, I wouldn't need aftershave.

    8. Re:Obviously supervised by ... by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      Blucher!

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    9. Re:Obviously supervised by ... by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      I was thinking the same.

      It seems going forward to have any hope of privacy not being tracked, I'm gonna need silly walks from Python, and a scramble suit from A Scanner Darkly....

      So like a pimp, I'm pimpin'

      I got a boat to eat shrimp in

      Nothing wrong with my leg, I'm just B-boy limpin'

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  2. I ride a bike by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2

    Muh huh huh huh huh ha *CRASH*

  3. Yikes! by Aighearach · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It doesn't even matter if it works, only if Chinese people believe that it works.

    1. Re:Yikes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It doesn't even matter if it works, only if Chinese people believe that it works."

      Or anyone who watched Mission Impossible Rogue Nation

  4. what else do you expect from commies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In china you're a slave and property of the communist party.

    1. Re:what else do you expect from commies by Narcocide · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Grocery stores and other such regularly-frequented public businesses have already been doing this for years in the US, already, where you're still property, but of an anonymous megacorp who won't admit it publicly and you don't even get to know the name of

    2. Re:what else do you expect from commies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In the United States you're a slave and property of big business. Not seeing the difference here.

    3. Re:what else do you expect from commies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Democrats are envious of the Chinese Government.

    4. Re:what else do you expect from commies by sycodon · · Score: 1

      Big Business cannot put you in jail.

      Really..stop with the stupid tin hat bullshit.

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    5. Re:what else do you expect from commies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed they are. China is pioneering high tech wrongthink control.

    6. Re:what else do you expect from commies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, really? Then why was Senator Feingold (D, WI) the only one to vote against the USA PATRIOT Act?

    7. Re:what else do you expect from commies by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Big Business cannot put you in jail.

      They can, they hired the government as private security. They write the rules, like indefinite copyright and prohibition against harmless substances. Make no mistake, the voters give full consent to all this, so it all looks on the level, but you can't separate big business from big government.

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    8. Re:what else do you expect from commies by losfromla · · Score: 2

      We've got the Patriot Act and other similarly invasive laws so I'm not so sure there's a big difference.

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    9. Re:what else do you expect from commies by losfromla · · Score: 1, Interesting

      It very absolutely can. We have for-profit prisons and the for-profit bail industry. 3M and other agricultural industrial companies can put you in jail for their corn and other grains contaminating your crops with their GMOs. What fantasy world are you living in sycophant that you don't see this?

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    10. Re:what else do you expect from commies by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      comma he typed on his phone and pressed send, then went off to get a pizza and not stand in line for bread somewhere, like his boss Vlad would have him do.

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    11. Re:what else do you expect from commies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's was a ruse to deflect suspicion away from him, that sneaky commie.

    12. Re: what else do you expect from commies by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      You can't copy songs so it's just like the repression in China.

    13. Re:what else do you expect from commies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No corporation can arrest you. No corporation can convict you. No corporation can sentence you to anything.
      For-profit prisons have exactly one customer - the government! No one else can send someone to a prison.
      For-profit bail? That's anti-prison, which is rather against your own argument there. Of course, they can only help you pay bail to... the government!

      And no, no argi-corp has ever sued anyone for "their corn contaminating your crops". Never happened, despite your ignorant repetition of a common lie. Even if they did, they couldn't send you to jail. Not only because it'd be just a civil suit, there's also the fact that you can only be sent to jail by... the government!

    14. Re: what else do you expect from commies by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Big business owns the Chinese government also. Government needs money to operate, where else are they going to get it?

      Oh, and do you remember who actually has more people in jail?

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    15. Re:what else do you expect from commies by piojo · · Score: 1

      While it's not nearly as straightforward as you imply, private interest groups influence US government policies far more than individuals. For example, the reason taxes haven't been automated as a pre-filled form a person needs only to sign or correct and sign: because of lobbying by tax preparation companies.

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    16. Re:what else do you expect from commies by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, where did I mention anything about individuals?

      For example, the reason taxes haven't been automated as a pre-filled form a person needs only to sign or correct and sign: because of lobbying by tax preparation companies.

      Yes, exactly what I am saying about big business writing the rules. It's time to acknowledge that, and subject them to the same constitutional restraints as the government itself.

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    17. Re: what else do you expect from commies by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      Are you counting the Uighur (an Islamic people) in 'Chinese re-education camp' as people in jail? There are close to a million of them there.

    18. Re:what else do you expect from commies by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      The fantasy world where people like you keep insisting America is just as bad or worse than China. It's not. It's not even in the same league. BUT you would rather eat broken glass than ever admit anything America does is good, so keep the hatred fires burning strong, I guess.

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    19. Re:what else do you expect from commies by losfromla · · Score: 1

      Is that the same as the fantasy world where you pretend someone said something they didn't and then get all outraged about it? Then start waving their flag and proclaiming how patriotic they are and the other person isn't for having dared to criticize an unjust system? I will keep the fires burning for my desire for a just system which is just for all, not just for the white and the rich. Keep on pretending to have your eyes open and make sure you continue to swallow that blue pill every time the opportunity comes up.

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    20. Re:what else do you expect from commies by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      It grates on people when you refuse to acknowledge that America is superior to China. It's not even a contest. If all you can do is cover your ears and shout "racist" then is it any wonder people tune you out?

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    21. Re:what else do you expect from commies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In what way?

      Gun deaths
      Pollution
      Wars
      % of criminals
      % of people locked up

      What good ways though?

  5. High Tech Countermeasure by cirby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Put a pebble in one shoe and wear a loose jacket...

    1. Re:High Tech Countermeasure by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      Put a pebble in one shoe and wear a loose jacket...

      I read that in a Sci-Fi story once

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  6. Counter measure by Zorro · · Score: 3, Funny

    Walk like an Egyptian.

  7. I'm sure it's just as effective by rsilvergun · · Score: 3, Interesting

    as Drug sniffing dogs and this gem.

    Basically, it's an excuse for the cops to pull you over and ask questions when you're not doing anything wrong. Heck, if anything it's a good sign that the Chinese are resorting to this kind of mumbo jumbo. It shows their people are starting to become conscience of the notion of civil rights.

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    1. Re:I'm sure it's just as effective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > become conscience

      Don't think so, moron.

    2. Re:I'm sure it's just as effective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You say the dumbest shit... Not even sometimes, its like a daily occurrence for you. Multiple times at that.

    3. Re:I'm sure it's just as effective by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      It may be that Chinese cops have no need for "mumbo-jumbo" and would find the concept backwards, quaint.

  8. I've done this for years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I remembering "recognizing" my parents from across a parking lot as a little kid based on how they moved and I just thought for ages everyone did it. I was probably a teenager before I made a comment like, "Oh, there's Joe! I can tell by how he walks," and whoever I was with looked at me like I was pulling his leg.

    I know some other people must do this, but it seems to be relatively uncommon practice for people (or maybe it's an unconscious thing for most people and I just do it consciously?)

    1. Re:I've done this for years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tend to do that as well, and everyone I know thinks its weird too. I can identify a few people by the sound of their walk as well, but pretty much only people I've been around for years.

    2. Re:I've done this for years by losfromla · · Score: 1

      Everyone does this, it's a well-known and understood mode of recognition. I did it extra when I was younger cause I was nearsighted and didn't wear glasses. Cause I didn't like wearing my free government glasses, because they were so dorky looking.

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  9. HIgh Tech Counter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    anyone else thinking about using electrical pads to stimulate twitchs in your legs randomly ?

    I think a TENS unit and an arduino would do this nicely.

    1. Re:HIgh Tech Counter by losfromla · · Score: 1

      No, but I'd love to see video of you doing this. LOL just thinking about it.

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    2. Re: HIgh Tech Counter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So would a leg brace that didnâ(TM)t let one leg fully extend and a handful of olive oil in your buttcrack. Not quite as elegant a solution but blurry effective. I know from experience.

  10. "Unstoppable trend" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shi Shusi, a Chinese columnist and commentator, says it’s unsurprising that the technology is catching on in China faster than the rest of the world because of Beijing’s emphasis on social control.

    “Using biometric recognition to maintain social stability and manage society is an unstoppable trend,” he said. “It’s great business.”

    Of course it can be stopped. Either because the "managed and stabilised society" becomes an unlivable hell-hole and enough people decide they don't want the current government to govern them any longer, or because the people decide they don't want "unstoppable trends" watching their every move and their government actually listens. Making it happen... well, the current Chinese government is rather dense.

  11. "To catch criminals"... by gweihir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What people do not realize (because they ignore or do not know human history), "criminals" described Jews in Nazi Germany, "politically unreliable people" under Stalin, etc. The next Hitler will get all his victims served on a plate, no way to hide. The only way to prevent that is to ban these technologies outright and very clearly label them as what they are: A tool for oppression that is a severe threat to anybody.

    Oh, and actual criminals are either not important enough or get caught just fine without technology like this.

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    1. Re:"To catch criminals"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Oh, and actual criminals are either not important enough or get caught just fine without technology like this.

      Sez someone who's likely never been the victim of a crime. Around 39% of murders went unsolved (cleared) last year compared to the 90% clearance rate 50 years ago. The unsolved percentage of property and violent non-homicide crimes are even higher. Law enforcement needs all the help it can get.

      But the real advantage of this kind of technology is not in helping to solve crimes, but using "biometric recognition to maintain social stability and manage society." A watched society is a better behaved and safer society.

    2. Re:"To catch criminals"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, like the ban on nuclear weapons for all states except the five permanent members of the UN Security Council. That works so well.

    3. Re:"To catch criminals"... by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Spoken like a real fan of fascism. Maybe have a look into a history-book sometime?

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    4. Re:"To catch criminals"... by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      This board is lousy with state-sponsored disruption trolls.

      Slashdot, are you even trying to investigate this?

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    5. Re:"To catch criminals"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you prefer anarchy and social disintegration to stability and unity? Sad!

    6. Re:"To catch criminals"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only way to prevent that is to ban these technologies outright and very clearly label them as what they are: A tool for oppression that is a severe threat to anybody.

      Cute. Utilizing the tool of oppression and authoritarians and thinking you are not among their number.

    7. Re:"To catch criminals"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey Comrade, the elections are over. We are here to have fun now. Maybe could you relax and just enjoy? That's good.

    8. Re:"To catch criminals"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are literally following the list of arguments used by fascists to the T.

    9. Re:"To catch criminals"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NPC response #3 delivered

    10. Re:"To catch criminals"... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      It could even backfire, at least in the West where we have proper adversarial trials. The state will try to convince everyone that this technology is infallible, like fingerprints or DNA*, and then all the criminals need do is deliberately walk differently and suddenly the CCTV proves it wasn't them.

      I heard that something similar was done with audio recordings. The police have a system where they record the 50Hz mains hum and claim to be able to detect it on recordings, thus providing a timestamp. It's useful for dating recordings they fine and for proving that they didn't edit recordings and stitch them together... Except that apparently now criminals are wise to it they add recorded 50Hz hum from times when they have a watertight alibi and use it to discredit the prosecution.

      * I think everyone knows now, but just in case: neither fingerprints nor DNA are infallible. In fact both are often wrong, especially fingerprints that are often highly subjective.

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    11. Re:"To catch criminals"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      L I T E R A L L Y

          T O THE

              T.

    12. Re:"To catch criminals"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >The state will try to convince everyone that this technology is infallible,

      In US, the state has to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt, not beyond all doubt. The state doesn't have to convince a jury about the technology's infallibility, just that it is reliably accurate. There will be policies establishing standards for it use in trials just like there are for fingerprints, DNA and other forensic evidence.

    13. Re: "To catch criminals"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Brilliant

    14. Re: "To catch criminals"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      False equivalence, asshole.

    15. Re:"To catch criminals"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What people do not realize (because they ignore or do not know human history), "criminals" described Jews in Nazi Germany, "politically unreliable people" under Stalin, etc. The next Hitler will get all his victims served on a plate, no way to hide. The only way to prevent that is to ban these technologies outright and very clearly label them as what they are: A tool for oppression that is a severe threat to anybody.

      I've given up on having the average person understand that, it's gonna take a genocide to wake people up to this act (we can only hope it's not gonna be in our part of the world)

    16. Re:"To catch criminals"... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The UK has used experts making wild claims like a "one in a billion match" for DNA, when in fact it was closer to one in a million or worse, i.e. at least 60 other people in the UK alone who it could be.

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    17. Re:"To catch criminals"... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      The police have a system where they record the 50Hz mains hum and claim to be able to detect it on recordings, thus providing a timestamp. It's useful for dating recordings they fine and for proving that they didn't edit recordings and stitch them together... Except that apparently now criminals are wise to it they add recorded 50Hz hum from times when they have a watertight alibi and use it to discredit the prosecution.

      it is a sort of "yes man" issue. People coming up with tools, yet no one asks "How might this be defeated?"

      But know this - unless this is some silly ruse, the Chinese have made a database of gait and now have a true Ministry of Silly Walks.

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    18. Re:"To catch criminals"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So there is anarchy and social disintegration without these technologies? I think not.

  12. Fatboy Slim knows the solution by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    (and Christopher Walken can demonstrate if you'd like)

    ... walk without rhythm, and you won't attract the worm ...

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    1. Re:Fatboy Slim knows the solution by martinX · · Score: 2

      I believe we can thank Frank Herbert for teaching us "Now remember, walk without rhythm, and we won't attract the worm."

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    2. Re: Fatboy Slim knows the solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It does not work and they know it. Smoke and mirrors

    3. Re:Fatboy Slim knows the solution by fibonacci8 · · Score: 1
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    4. Re:Fatboy Slim knows the solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm... I see you've been lurking around...

  13. This is old tech by drdread · · Score: 1

    Gait recognition has been around for quite awhile. I worked at a company that deployed a gait biometric system in 2012 or so. It came from an Israeli company, FST Biometrics Results in our case were mixed, but they had several very large customers (e.g. Google) who were using it with good results.

    1. Re:This is old tech by BuckBundy · · Score: 0

      Using it where - in the US?

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  14. I heard that from a CIA disguise expert by raymorris · · Score: 1

    I recently heard rhe same thing from a former disguise expert from the CIA.

    1. Re:I heard that from a CIA disguise expert by Timothy2.0 · · Score: 1

      That's where I saw it too...That made the rounds pretty quick .

  15. Use the Frank "Punisher" Castle Approach by mykepredko · · Score: 1

    Put pebbles in your shoes so your gait is changed.

    1. Re:Use the Frank "Punisher" Castle Approach by tambo · · Score: 1

      Yep - exactly my reaction, too, from past stories about this technology. Another ultra-expensive technology solution that's easily circumvented by a minute of contemplation.

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    2. Re:Use the Frank "Punisher" Castle Approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, just another couple of dumbasses who think they could outsmart The Man(TM) by parroting the first silly trick some movie writer came up with when he realized he'd written himself into a corner.

    3. Re:Use the Frank "Punisher" Castle Approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone's a critic...

  16. Matrix trenchcoats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Matrix trenchcoats for all

  17. walk without rhythm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and it won't attract the worm

  18. Canada has already trained our agents by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    After all, where do you think most of the spies during WW II were trained?

    Gait modification, clothing/reversible switches, and other techniques defeat this tech fairly easily, after 10-15 minutes of training.

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  19. US has had this for more than a decade by RhettLivingston · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The National Information Exchange Model (NIEM) is an XML-based information exchange framework used by the US government to grease the sharing of information between departments. It was started in the Bush administration in 2005. I first noticed it around 2008 and it contained fields to define PersonGait at that time (version 2 I think).

    They have deleted some of these fields since then. I suspect they did so because it gave out too much information about what they are doing though it is also possible the new administration rolled back the push into some of these areas.

    The rules for getting data components added to the model include a requirement that the data components must already be in use by at least 2 different departments. So, in 2008, at least 2 departments of the government were using a person's gait as an identifying characteristic.

    I have included a list of the fields in the "PersonAugmentationType" data type for the V2.0 version of the spec from a decade ago below. Many are interesting including: body odor, ear shape, finger geometry, gait, hand geometry, keystroke dynamics, lip movement, urine, vein pattern, etc.

    The NIEM is publicly available and published on Github. I highly recommend downloading one of the older versions before they sanitized it, like V2.0 or so, and spending some time looking at the spreadsheets that describe it. The insight to be gained in what the government has reason to store about us is extensive.

    • j:PersonAFISIdentification
    • j:PersonBirthPlaceCode
    • j:PersonBodyOdor
    • j:PersonBodyPartsText
    • j:PersonCharge
    • j:PersonConcealedFirearmPermitHolderIndicator
    • j:PersonDentalCharacteristicGeneral
    • j:PersonDentalCharacteristicRemovableAppliances
    • j:PersonDentalPhotoModelAvailableIndicator
    • j:PersonDentalXRayAvailableIndicator
    • j:PersonDrivingIncident
    • j:PersonDrivingInsuranceCoverageCategoryText
    • j:PersonDrivingInsuranceStatusText
    • j:PersonEarShape
    • j:PersonEmancipationDate
    • j:PersonFBIIdentification
    • j:PersonFacialFeatures
    • j:PersonFingerGeometry
    • j:PersonFirearmPermitHolderIndicator
    • j:PersonFirearmSalesDisqualifiedCode
    • j:PersonFootPrint
    • j:PersonFootPrintAvailableIndicator
    • j:PersonGait
    • j:PersonGeneralLedgerIdentification
    • j:PersonHandGeometry
    • j:PersonHitResultsCode
    • j:PersonIrisFeatures
    • j:PersonIssuedPropertyTitleAbstract
    • j:PersonJewelryCategoryText
    • j:PersonKeystrokeDynamics
    • j:PersonLipMovement
    • j:PersonNCICIdentification
    • j:PersonPalmPrint
    • j:PersonPasswordText
    • j:PersonPrimaryWorker
    • j:PersonReferralWorker
    • j:PersonRegisteredOffenderIndicator
    • j:PersonRetina
    • j:PersonSaliva
    • j:PersonSemen
    • j:PersonSightedIndicator
    • j:PersonSpeechPattern
    • j:PersonStateFingerprintIdentification
    • j:PersonTemporaryAssignmentUnit
    • j:PersonThermalFaceImage
    • j:PersonThermalHandImage
    • j:PersonThermalImage
    • j:PersonUrine
    • j:PersonVeinPattern
    • j:PersonVendorIdentification
    • nc:DriverLicense
    • nc:DriverLicensePermit
    • nc:PersonWorkPlace
    1. Re:US has had this for more than a decade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The trouble with the model -- as a basis share data between agencies, including non-fed LEA -- is it rolls up everything that could ever be in any record. For example, "PersonSemen" is assuredly the semen type identified by processing a rape kit, blood type (which I oddly don't see here) would be on any military record. hair color includes all the unnatural dyes (blue, pink, magenta, green) because police reports and arrests records don't know or care what a person's natural hair color is. Ridiculously long spec.

      As you said, at least two departments note gait somewhere, but it's hard to say what the use at the time actually was.

    2. Re:US has had this for more than a decade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the state STILL needs ME to tell them if I am a US citizen or not :O

      But as long as they know how I smell and how I walk it is all good, right?

      lol, don't see it in that database either

    3. Re:US has had this for more than a decade by RhettLivingston · · Score: 1

      True. At the time, I felt that the two big ones were FBI and Homeland Security. I remember the odor one caught my attention because I had just read an article on the sniffers that many were starting to have to walk through in the airports in those years. Those systems are not at all limited to explosive compounds and collect more than enough data to identify a person. Of course there are also many cameras in the airports that could be analyzed in multiple ways with gait being likely.

  20. it will destroy ya by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Man, it's hilarious reading the posts from Slashdot paranoiacs whenever one of these biometric surveillance stories are posted. Pebbles in the shoe, that'll fool the AI! LOL.

  21. Wecome to Nazi china e-papers please! by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Wecome to Nazi china e-papers please!

    1. Re:Wecome to Nazi china e-papers please! by RhettLivingston · · Score: 1

      It was always shocking to me as a kid to read about how Nazi Germany actually required people to have papers to travel - unimaginable and a prime example of a dictatorial government run amok. Fast forward a few decades... try to get on a plane in the US without papers.

    2. Re:Wecome to Nazi china e-papers please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't recommend doing so, but you can fly without ID.

      https://www.tsa.gov/blog/2013/04/09/tsa-travel-tips-tuesday-can-you-fly-without-id

    3. Re:Wecome to Nazi china e-papers please! by RhettLivingston · · Score: 1

      Which is just to say that they now have other ways of confirming your ID than paper. When all of the biometric techs get good enough, we'll be able to drop the paper again - but that is only because it has been replaced with something more reliable.

      I think the shocking concept to me at the time was that anyone would ever need to prove their identity by any means to travel within the confines of our country. That was a totally foreign concept in the 60s and 70s.

    4. Re:Wecome to Nazi china e-papers please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait until you can't travel at all without ID. Start the car please Siri I'm sorry Dave, you can't do that.

    5. Re:Wecome to Nazi china e-papers please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We've essentially automated, improved and privatized the stazi

      But people won't believe it because we don't have 1 in every seven people working as an informer (90%+ of us just carry an electronic spy)

      Electronics is making abuse of power scale...
      This is gonna end badly for someone, but people won't believe it till a genocide happens

  22. Rock in Shoe by holophrastic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I very very long time ago -- twenty, thirty years ago -- I read a book on the human art of spying. There was a lengthy discussion about evading capture when spying in enemy territory.

    A few pages discussed the concept that when someone is following you, on-foot, through a busy shopping mall, you ought to alter your gait, since that's a very easy way that human eyes track human prey.

    The chapter ended with a simple, and straight-forward comment to the effect of: nothing is better than simply placing a small pebble in one of your shoes.

  23. The greatest trick the devil ever played... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was changing his gait.

    1. Re: The greatest trick the devil ever played... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nicely done :-)

  24. False positives.... by fish_in_the_c · · Score: 1

    In a society where imprisoning and or disappearing innocent people accidentally is more important then catching the maximum number of criminals and dissenters. Such a thing would not be accepted. However, that is not China.

    I believe , if they could, they would simply require everyone to wear a thought monitoring device and arrest people for 'thinking wrongly'.

    Of coarse, if you don't believe in free will, as required by the Chinese Communist Party embracing of atheism.
    I suppose it is a logical use of technology to benefit the whole at the cost of something that is an illusion.

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  25. Re:Or goosestep like the nazi faggot you are? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    Some robo-trolling is to discourage participation in erudite discussion sites. This state-sponsored trolling furthers the dictatorship.

    Is Slashdot even looking into this?

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  26. Or skip town by presidenteloco · · Score: 1

    it's just a hop, skip and a jump away.

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    Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
    1. Re:Or skip town by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 2

      It's just a jump to the left
      And then a step to the right
      With your hands on your hips
      You bring your knees in tight...

  27. They have gait analysis by presidenteloco · · Score: 2

    Yes. But do they have "skate" analysis? Longboards are great for getaways too. Decent weapon of last resort as well.

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  28. Jokes On Them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not walking when using my rental scooter*.

    * hoverboard**
    ** Segway***
    *** bike

  29. Come on, you were all thinking it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would it make any difference if their faces were visible?

  30. It’s possibly de-feet-able by Tjp($)pjT · · Score: 1

    Use custom orthotics. Also known as a pebble or cotton ball. One placed in your shoe and your gait changes. Also to change your body shape use a fat vest. The fat vest can be something so simple as a pillow. That and a reversible coat, one That’s adjustable and reversible; you’re all set. Of course don’t use it for routine. Only when needed.

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    I am in wallow with my inner money grubbing capitalistic pig. ... Oink!

    1. Re:It’s possibly de-feet-able by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am a fatso, you insensitive clot.

  31. Tech doesn't lead to genocide by rsilvergun · · Score: 0

    we've had Genocides for thousands of years. Every holy book you care to name is full of them. Every history has a few. They're common.

    What leads to genocide is poverty. People turn to genocide to cull the herd. The Nazis were the most obvious example. Here's a good video describing Nazi ideology and it's practical applications. The TL;DR is that while it was expensive to exterminate the Jews it was advantages because they got to pocket their wealth (Close to $300 billion in today's money) and they could divert food resources to feed their soldiers. The Russians did the same. And Human Sacrifice was much the same thing too.

    If you want to stop genocide the solution is to keep everyone fed and economically secure. People turn on each other out of desperation and the leadership allow it to maintain order by reducing surplus population. Poverty causes genocide. Not technology.

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    1. Re:Tech doesn't lead to genocide by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Technology does not cause genocide, sure. But it can make it so much easier.

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    2. Re:Tech doesn't lead to genocide by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Tell me about it. Massacring people with a halberd is fucking exhausting.

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  32. Or goosestep like the nazi faggot you are? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or goosestep like the nazi faggot you are??

  33. May as well just implant chips in everyone by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know why the Chinese government bothers to preserve this paper-thin pretense that they give a shit about how their citizens feel about anything and just get it over with: implant tracking chips in everyone from birth so they can be wirelessly tracked 24/7/365 for as long as they live. That's about where they're going with this. It's not like the average Chinese citizen, by now, doesn't already realize that they have zero privacy and zero rights of any kind anyway.

    1. Re:May as well just implant chips in everyone by Dorianny · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Countries with oppressive regimes got to be very careful about managing public opinion. Once discontent is widespread in society even a minor event like a fruit vendor setting himself on fire could spark a revolt very quickly (In this case the Arab Spring.)

    2. Re:May as well just implant chips in everyone by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

      That's so stupid. I hate that story. Tibetans set themselves on fire all the time and nobody ever revolts. It's confirmation bias.

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    3. Re:May as well just implant chips in everyone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The average Chinese citizen has the same natural rights as you do or anyone else for that matter.

      Not getting your natural rights recognized doesn't mean you have none. You have them anyway and the same goes for every Chinese citizen.

      Getting your rights properly recognized or being able to carry them into effect regardless of political circumstances is a different matter.

    4. Re:May as well just implant chips in everyone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      he said 'could' not will
      in general it's called a preference cascade:
      - everyone appears to be ok with something (or hold a certain believe)
      - then at some point someones rebels... often in a way that lots of others have rebelled before
      - ... and the rebellion unexpectedly spreads like fire
      - overnight the world has changed

  34. Re:Or goosestep like the nazi faggot you are? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >erudite discussion sites

    Now who's trollin' the trolly troll, troll?

  35. Caffeinated Bacon(Crimson Tsunami) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your bosses are able to track you now, either by how you trot, or how you look.
    bloody git.
    Go back to sucking on Xi's knob.

    1. Re:Caffeinated Bacon(Crimson Tsunami) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well that was completely random...

  36. Works with artificial hips by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Back in the early 1980's I toook a course from Robert Mann, at MIT, about biomechanical work. They'd put pressures sensors in the head of an artifical femur and replaced a human hip, and learned from their experiements that hips often break for older, weak-boned people *when standing up*, not the previously suspected "they fell and broke their hip!". It was great fun, they'd put reflectors on people's legs and recorded their walk and projected 3D models of human gait.

    When they asked if there were any questions, I said "this was a woman, right?" Everyone turned to stare at me. I said "what, you never *look*???" Look carefully: the hips give away a *lot* about body type age, and health. And hey, if your tastes run that way, it's fun!!!

  37. Maybe easy to circumvent? by schweini · · Score: 1

    I saw a video by a supposedly ex-CIA make-up woman, and she recommended putting a pebble into your shoe when in disguise, because it changes your gait significantly, and humans also do gait analysis subconsciously.

  38. Great way to attract the Brains. by wolfheart111 · · Score: 1

    Brain drain...

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  39. And this will be nullified... by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1

    ... simply by putting a pebble in your shoe.

  40. Walk without rhythym by woozlewuzzle · · Score: 1

    Do not draw the attention of Shai Hulud

  41. welcome to chell by epine · · Score: 1

    "Gait analysis can't be fooled by simply limping, walking with splayed feet or hunching over, because we're analyzing all the features of an entire body."

    Bullshit. That's what they want people to think.

    But you probably have to put a really painful object in one shoe, and smoke some weed, and listen to a lot of reggae.

    Pretty soon, everyone with a Keyser So:ze limp will be arrested on sight. And he won't talk himself out of that one, because of the international Chinese gesture of "speak to the hand", which will actually be a palm-sized voice recorder, connected to an AI application, with only one defined output: "not convinced".
     

  42. MISSING COMMENT by ckatko · · Score: 1

    How has nobody posted this before me?!

    If you walk without rhythm... you won't attract the worm.
    If you walk without rhythm... you'll never learn!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  43. Aaaaaaaand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you do the hokey pokey and you turn yourself about...

    THAT'S what it's all about!

  44. Fremen by Evtim · · Score: 1

    Seems like a good time to learn irregular walk, so the worms won't detect us.

  45. A newer Spy book says ... by Ihlosi · · Score: 1
    The chapter ended with a simple, and straight-forward comment to the effect of: nothing is better than simply placing a small pebble in one of your shoes.

    shoes. Your shadow might be able to change clothing, headwear, glasses, gait, etc. fairly easily, but few people carry an extra pair of shoes.

  46. A newer Spy book says "Look at their shoes". by Ihlosi · · Score: 1
    The chapter ended with a simple, and straight-forward comment to the effect of: nothing is better than simply placing a small pebble in one of your shoes.

    ... if you're trying to figure out if someone is following you, look at their shoes. Your shadow might be able to change clothing, headwear, glasses, gait, etc. fairly easily, but few people carry an extra pair of shoes.

  47. Make Like MJ in Moonwalker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Start dancing and the people watching the camera feeds will start dancing too, but they wont be able to keep up with your MJ moves so they will explode when you do the final woooooo!

  48. I guess we should be grateful by Maritz · · Score: 1

    To the chinese for demonstrating to everyone what a full blown technological dystopia looks like. Oh, and the UK too. Surely Murica won't be too far behind, though hopefully the House won't stop Dear Leader Trumpski from clamping down on these leftist media outlets and their horrible, hurtful words.

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    1. Re:I guess we should be grateful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's so cute you think they don't have this already.