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Gates Foundation Spent $200 Million Funding Toilet Research (bloomberg.com)

According to Bloomberg, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation "spent $200 million over seven years funding sanitation research, showcased some 20 novel toilet and sludge-processing designs that eliminate harmful pathogens and convert bodily waste into clean water and fertilizer." Gates told the Reinvented Toilet Expo in Beijing on Tuesday that these technologies at the event "are the most significant advances in sanitation in nearly 200 years." From the report: Holding a beaker of human excreta that, Gates said, contained as many as 200 trillion rotavirus cells, 20 billion Shigella bacteria, and 100,000 parasitic worm eggs, the Microsoft Corp. co-founder explained to a 400-strong crowd that new approaches for sterilizing human waste may help end almost 500,000 infant deaths and save $233 billion annually in costs linked to diarrhea, cholera and other diseases caused by poor water, sanitation and hygiene. One approach from the California Institute of Technology that Gates said he finds "super interesting" integrates an electrochemical reactor to break down water and human waste into fertilizer and hydrogen, which can be stored in hydrogen fuel cells as energy.

The reinvented toilet market, which has attracted companies including Japan's LIXIL Group, could generate $6 billion a year worldwide by 2030, according to Gates. The initial demand for the reinvented toilet will be in places like schools, apartment buildings, and community bathroom facilities. As adoption of these multi-unit toilets increases, and costs decline, a new category of reinvented household toilets will become available, the Gates Foundation said.

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  1. Advances??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gates told the Reinvented Toilet Expo in Beijing on Tuesday that these technologies at the event "are the most significant advances in sanitation in nearly 200 years."

    What does that even mean?

    1. Re:Advances??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What does it sound like it means? You don't even have to RTFA, just read the summary. Many places lack appropriate sewage treatment infrastructure, if they have it at all, harming human and environmental health when sewage is released untreated. The expo showcased alternative sewage and sanitation technologies, including on-site treatment technologies.

      > Holding a beaker of human excreta that, Gates said, contained as many as 200 trillion rotavirus cells, 20 billion Shigella bacteria, and 100,000 parasitic worm eggs, the Microsoft Corp. co-founder explained to a 400-strong crowd that new approaches for sterilizing human waste may help end almost 500,000 infant deaths and save $233 billion annually in costs linked to diarrhea, cholera and other diseases caused by poor water, sanitation and hygiene. One approach from the California Institute of Technology that Gates said he finds "super interesting" integrates an electrochemical reactor to break down water and human waste into fertilizer and hydrogen, which can be stored in hydrogen fuel cells as energy.

      > Without cost-effective alternatives to sewers and waste-treatment facilities, urbanization and population growth will add to the burden. In some cities, more than half the volume of human waste escapes into the environment untreated

    2. Re:Advances??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many places lack appropriate sewage treatment...

      My guess is this correlates with those who are not on the internet, but tech billionaires want them anyway.

    3. Re: Advances??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Septic tanks require water, ground that perks properly, low population density, and fairly expensive periodic maintenance.

      Your idea is stupid and will not work.

    4. Re: Advances??? by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Rural Americans have no concept of the real world. They think they are "independent" yet rely on the infrastructure provided by a wealthy country.

    5. Re: Advances??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      City dwellers have no concept about the real world. Without rural areas you would have no food and die

    6. Re: Advances??? by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      The outflow of a septic tank is still highly contaminated. Drinking water that is contaminated by that outflow would be hazourdous to drink.

    7. Re:Advances??? by LifesABeach · · Score: 2

      And in a totally unrelated news story, "China's Brightest Children Are Being Recruited To Develop AI 'Killer Bots' "

    8. Re: Advances??? by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      I'm not upset, I'm stunned and frightened of your ignorance! Please tell me you're trolling. I'll freely admit you've got me if you admit it. If not, you have NO CLUE!!! Rural can live (and have lived) without cities. But cities can never existing without agriculture and industrial production --> which pretty much exclusively requires rural landmass. Any such actives done in the city would be limited and would not scale to meet the demand of a densely populated metropolitan area.

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    9. Re: Advances??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny, that. 'Round these here parts, we call rural Americans 'Septics', mainly because of what comes out of them every time they open their fat, stupid mouths.

    10. Re: Advances??? by hey! · · Score: 3, Informative

      Rural Americans have no concept of the real world.

      City dwellers have no concept about the real world.

      It turns out, you're both right.

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    11. Re: Advances??? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      No, dumbass, the rural lifestyle in the US can't exist without the cities.

      Nobody said that the land can't exist, or wouldn't still have a few people on it.

      But they wouldn't have the same lifestyle. And they'd be using pit toilets for sure.

    12. Re: Advances??? by dunkelfalke · · Score: 2

      What is your point?
      Peasant life was so shitty they tried to flee into cities at the first opportunity and in many countries they still try.
      Without agricultural machinery and chemicals farming seriously sucks, but either is impossible without cities. Rural landmass my arse.

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    13. Re: Advances??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think his point was that modern American rural dwellers like to imagine they are some latter day equivalent of the pioneers of old where they are entirely self sufficient but that isn't true. They use electricity, fuel and telecomm infrastructure just like everyone else in the modern world and if those were suddenly removed from them they'd be in pretty dire straights right away.

      What they ignore is that those old pioneers may have been self sufficient but they were also pretty likely to die too. So if you want to go live in the woods free of all the responsibilities of modern life, I guess you can, but bear in mind that 99% of you probably aren't going to make it over the long term.

    14. Re: Advances??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not upset, I'm stunned and frightened of your ignorance! Please tell me you're trolling. I'll freely admit you've got me if you admit it. If not, you have NO CLUE!!! Rural can live (and have lived) without cities. But cities can never existing without agriculture and industrial production --> which pretty much exclusively requires rural landmass. Any such actives done in the city would be limited and would not scale to meet the demand of a densely populated metropolitan area.

      This isn't the 1800s anymore, and there's not a major farming operation in American that isn't dependent on cities and the demand for their product it brings. And all of the tax revenue cities bring helps fund the Federal government to provide subsidies to farming operations. We are ALL heavily reliant upon each other these days, so knock it off with your ignorant one-sided argument. It's stupid and outdated.

    15. Re: Advances??? by thexfile · · Score: 1

      Not to mention floods spread the love.

    16. Re: Advances??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Says the person on the Internet! :P

    17. Re: Advances??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with this!, if I only had mod points.

      I grew up in a very rural area in the midwest (no running water until the mid 70's, kerosene lamps were common until then too as electric service was not reliable). I went off to college in a town across state that was fairly large at that time to me, about 10,000 population. After getting my degree, I was off to a metropolitan area of 1 million +. I was there a bit over 10 years, and then moved back to the rural area I originally came from. My experience was that neither city dwellers nor rural Americans are well informed as to how the other lives. Most thought they knew, but it was anecdotal, relying on myth/legend, or was what they saw on their television screen.

    18. Re: Advances??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is your point?
      Peasant life was so shitty they tried to flee into cities at the first opportunity and in many countries they still try.
      Without agricultural machinery and chemicals farming seriously sucks, but either is impossible without cities. Rural landmass my arse.

      Tell that to the Amish. True, they lose many young people who do flee to the cities, but their numbers double approximately every 20 years. Speaking only about those that live near me, they don't use modern agricultural machinery or buy chemicals, and they do fine. There are several non-Amish (they call us the "English") in my community that still have knowledge of the ways farming was done 100 years ago and could possibly go back to it if required. With the technology of today, I doubt they would want to, but they could if it meant their survival. My community also has a large number of those who supplement the food they buy with food they harvest or produce through hunting and/or gardening.

      Farming may, as you say, "suck", but is not impossible without cities.

    19. Re: Advances??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also in many rural areas in the US there are still lagoons, i.e. cess pools, where the ground isn't amenable to septic system.

  2. Never skimp on anything between you and the ground by ToTheStars · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was once advised by a mentor to 'never skimp on anything that gets between you and the ground'. He was talking about tires, shoes, and beds, but toilets certainly qualify. Every human poops, and many of the worst diseases still extant (cholera and friends) thrive in conditions of poor sanitation. So don't make fun of this research -- respect the throne! Invest in it!

  3. A toilet for every street corner in SF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that too much to ask? Just send the bill to Salesforce and Twitter.

    1. Re:A toilet for every street corner in SF by Venona2018 · · Score: 2

      Is that too much to ask? Just send the bill to Salesforce and Twitter.

      San Francisco voters approved Measure C yesterday to tax Salesforce, Twitter, and every other business with more than $50 million in revenue in order to fund solutions to the homeless problem. The tax is .5% of gross revenue. The measure was promoted by the CEO of Salesforce but opposed by the CEO of Twitter.

      The measure however might be challenged in court because it is a new tax and probably won't get 2/3rds of the vote, which is needed if a new tax is proposed by government officials. SInce Measure C was proposed by a group of citizens, it might only need 50% + 1.

  4. Good Experience by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 3, Funny

    I see Bill is putting his years of experience in developing shit products to good use.

    1. Re:Good Experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your bowel moved. Microsoft Toilet 95 will now restart... (Brown Screen of Death)

  5. crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't do crap these days with $20-million.

    1. Re:crap by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      Good thing it was $200 million. RTFA.

  6. The three seashells by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    Bill doesn't know how to use them. I can see how that would be confusing.

    1. Re:The three seashells by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not True !, He designed his computer from his toilet. Remember?
      Data in - Data out, add a few bells & whistles and charge a Thousand bucks ea

      He's just looking for that "bit Bucket"

  7. windows product line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    and microsoft can probably leverage these findings for windows development.

  8. Well.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shit happens. Gotta make the most of it.

  9. I thought you meant... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    William(Bill) Henry Gates III is certainly putting to use his years as a parasitic piece of human excretia to use in ridding some members of the third world from their own self sustaining population of parasitic waste.

    Now if only Zuckerberg will learn from his example and do the same.

    1. Re:I thought you meant... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think you know what a parasite is.

  10. Not where I live. by Nutria · · Score: 1

    The initial demand for the reinvented toilet will be in places like schools, apartment buildings, and community bathroom facilities.

    In the public schools, they'd be broken with a week.

    BTW, what's a community bathroom facility? I know what each word means, but can't put them all together. Is it the shared bathroom like in locker rooms and dormitories?

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    1. Re: Not where I live. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      In the US, we call them Public Restrooms. In India, you call them the Public Streets. In the UK you call them Phone Booths.

    2. Re:Not where I live. by Crash+Dummy+Redux · · Score: 1

      A community bathroom facility is the gym restroom when the water heater in your apartment building goes out for an extended period of time.

    3. Re:Not where I live. by Harlequin80 · · Score: 2

      Think shanty town with no sewer or sanitation system.

      Community bathroom facilities provide sanitation to these areas significantly lowering risks of outbreaks.

    4. Re:Not where I live. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's PC-speak for "Public Toilets"

    5. Re:Not where I live. by forty-2 · · Score: 1

      In New York City, A Community Bathroom Facility is a Starbucks.
      It's an unspoken social contract - you get to charge $4 for burnt coffee, we get to use your bathrooms (no purchase necessary).

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    6. Re: Not where I live. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have *never* seen a turd in a UK phone box.

    7. Re: Not where I live. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      check your shoes

    8. Re: Not where I live. by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      The weirdest thing I've ever seen in a UK phone box was something that looked like a spaceship but the even weirder part - and I know it sounds crazy - was that the inside was bigger than the outside.

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  11. Finally, Toilets will be treated equal to Blacks & by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and receive grants to advance the field of Toilet Science.

  12. Damn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    $200 millions down the toilet!

  13. My US city could use some help downtown... by swell · · Score: 1, Insightful

    We have a few thousand homeless people with little or no access to a toilet, much less a shower. Local businesses complain about excreta at their doors, but then note that if there was a nearby public toilet it would just attract more homeless people. We are currently recovering from an outbreak of hepatitis A as a result of sanitation problems among the homeless and those nearby.

    My city receives tourists from all over the world and it's sad that we're looking like a 3rd world country.

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    1. Re:My US city could use some help downtown... by geek · · Score: 0

      Lowest unemployment in decades. Tell the useless fucks to get jobs and stop shitting everywhere. It's not brain surgery.

    2. Re:My US city could use some help downtown... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, clearly they're not going to be getting brain surgery jobs.

      But what jobs would you give them? They don't have much in the way of marketable skills, otherwise they'd have jobs.

      (The unemployment rate is garbage anyway. It only counts people who are actively looking for work. And if it's not 0.0000 then it's too high, because somebody is still unemployed and looking.)

    3. Re:My US city could use some help downtown... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lowest unemployment in decades. Tell the useless fucks to get jobs and stop shitting everywhere. It's not brain surgery.

      Actually a lot of the homeless do require brain surgery because they experience mental health issues.

    4. Re:My US city could use some help downtown... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

      If only the ACLU hadn't sued to shut down the mental asylums on the grounds that it was inhumane to imprison people who had committed no crime, California wouldn't have this problem. Sad!

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    5. Re: My US city could use some help downtown... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Wow, another comment on a post about the homeless with zero empathy or self-awareness.

      Do you really think the people publically defecating and sleeping outside are chosing their lifestyle out of laziness, instead of debilitating mental issues and a lack of resources?

      Maybe if more people had empathy the problem could be addressed but too many people like you with the "fuck you, got mine" attitude.

    6. Re:My US city could use some help downtown... by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Look to the states that enforce laws and rules about tent cities, RV parking and trash in the street.
      They don't have such problems. Their cities stay clean and attract investment.
      Its a city police politics problem. Find out why the city police do not to enforce laws. Parking laws. Trash laws. Camping laws. Waste laws.

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    7. Re: My US city could use some help downtown... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1. USA: Private opulence and public apathy.

    8. Re:My US city could use some help downtown... by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      What? Reagan shut them down.

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    9. Re:My US city could use some help downtown... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This sounds like Seattle.
      Sharing of needles among the homeless drug users (extremely common in Seattle) probably encouraged the spread of hepatitis, but that would not be hepatitis A.

    10. Re:My US city could use some help downtown... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Enforcing RV laws only serves to kick out the actual tourist dollars, as can parking laws.

      You seem to forget that when you're homeless you're judgement proof. Also, jail is 3 hots and a cot. I suppose there's torture, and some police departments definitely go that way, but that's not particular humane, is it?

    11. Re:My US city could use some help downtown... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Nope! That's a lie. The ACLU sued to have them shut down, and Reagan merely closed the doors on the now-empty facilities. Of course, that created the modern homeless problem, and the ACLU and its media friends pinned in on Reagan.

      You see, the ACLU thought it was morally wrong to imprison people who had committed no crime. Which is what mental asylums did. As long as they could lift spoon to mouth to feed themselves, they were deemed fit to be released. They sued and won.

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    12. Re: My US city could use some help downtown... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      The real problem is that there are no mental asylums in California. The ACLU sued the state back in the 70s to have them shut down on the grounds that they were inhumane. Now they have no place to go...but they're free, just like the ACLU wanted.

      And frankly there are a proportion of homeless who are not mentally ill but just have extreme views on personal freedom and are willing to make sacrifices you consider bizarre. None of them are drowning in debt or spend their lives staring World of Warcraft, ever think of that?

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    13. Re:My US city could use some help downtown... by mjwx · · Score: 2

      Look to the states that enforce laws and rules about tent cities, RV parking and trash in the street.

      If you have "tent cities" then you need to admit you've got some seriously fucked up policies if you're a developed nation.

      They don't have such problems. Their cities stay clean and attract investment.
      Its a city police politics problem. Find out why the city police do not to enforce laws. Parking laws. Trash laws. Camping laws. Waste laws.

      Because there are two ways to police, with the good will of the people or with the fear of the people.

      The latter is commonly called a police state where citizens fear breaking laws and talking to the police because punishments are severe and standards of evidence are low or non existent.

      The former is how we police in developed nations where the spirit of the law is considered above the letter of the law. If police aren't enforcing every single infraction its because they don't want to be jackbooted thugs and lose the respect and co-operation of the neighbourhoods they service. When the police start clamping down on parking, they earn the ire of both the customers and business owners.

      Besides, parking shouldn't be in the police's remit, that's the councils job to manage and monitor.

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    14. Re: My US city could use some help downtown... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      None of them are drowning in debt or spend their lives staring World of Warcraft, ever think of that?

      Oh shit, you just reminded me I don't have enough for next month's rent and I owe something like 240K gold to the guild master.

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  14. All that money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    went right down the toilet.

    1. Re: All that money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then Gates announced that this was merely an attempt to win the Guinness world record for longest running and most expensive practical joke

  15. It hurts by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Funny

    Must ... resist ... Windows ... quality ... jokes

    1. Re:It hurts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      toilet is installing updates and will restart in an hour. don't turn toilet off.

    2. Re:It hurts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Must ... resist ... Windows ... quality ... jokes

      Probably his shrink told him to address his obsession with crap.

    3. Re: It hurts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One thing you can't resist: being a huge faggot.

  16. Windows 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He should spend his money figuring out how to flush that turd of an OS called Windows 10.

    1. Re:Windows 10 by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      He's rich, he probably uses a Mac these days.

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  17. Shit is a real problem by mveloso · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's interesting to see this sort of research. Getting rid of people's shit is actually quite difficult to do in an efficient and sanitary way. It's also a difficult UX problem, because levels of care in excreting are substantially different across cultures.

    For example, in poor areas the idea of sitting on a toilet seat is a completely alien idea. People either squat over holes in the ground or stand on the toilet bowl and squat. People will occasionally shit or pee all over the toilet, causing problems. Getting the shit/pee out of the bowl along with toilet paper etc is difficult. Then there's the odors/smell/leftover shit problem.

    Plus toilets need cleaning...lots of cleaning. In fact, they're cleaned more often than any other area, generally speaking. And they're still filthy.

    We haven't even gotten to the "moving the shit out of the toilet" part at that point.

    Then of course there's the "what do you do with the combined shit and piss of 50,000 people."

    So kudos for the Gates Foundation for doing something creative with their money. These sort of structural problems get worse as time goes on. People don't understand the sheer amounts of infrastructure it takes to deal with shit like this. Here's an example:

    In NYC, there are about 3 million households. Each household has 2 toilets. Each toilet requires a holding tank of 6 or 13 gallons. So at any given time there are about 18-39 million gallons of water hanging around that had to be delivered to every household. Water pressure is generally 80psi, which means you need 80psi to 3m point locations across 302 square miles (784 sq km). That pressure doesn't just fill toilets, it supplies showers, sinks, washing machines, etc.

    And that's just one municipal water supply. The sewer system is completely independent

    It's surprising, to be honest, that universities or governments aren't looking at these sort of issues. I mean, there are all kinds of efficiencies that are possible. For example, why not use the water pipes for AC heat transfer?

    1. Re:Shit is a real problem by Strider- · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Having been peripherally associated with some foreign development projects, it’s astounding how many people here completely don’t get that the real problem in many places isn’t getting clean water (though that’s a sexy and easy(er) problem to solve, but rather what to do with the waste at the other end of the problem.

      I’ve supported a couple of charities that do their hardest to build safe, culturally appropriate latrines/privies. These are just as, if not more, critical than drilling wells etc...

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    2. Re:Shit is a real problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The real problem is that shit people in shit countries are too lazy to dig a shit hole.

    3. Re:Shit is a real problem by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      Agreed, often solving the waste problem partially solves the water supply problem as well.

    4. Re:Shit is a real problem by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      Governments are.

      I work in this industry and plant & network optimisation for waste management is a major place of investment.

      That said I live in a first world developed country and the challenges are different. It's pump stations and treatment capacity rather than getting any kind of system in place. The last 20 years has also seen the move towards megaplants and the decommissioning of smaller localised plants. The transfer costs of moving the raw effluent further are far out weighed by the efficiencies of the larger single sites. The larger sites are both economically and environmentally better.

    5. Re:Shit is a real problem by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Having been peripherally associated with some foreign development projects, itâ(TM)s astounding how many people here completely donâ(TM)t get that the real problem in many places isnâ(TM)t getting clean water (though thatâ(TM)s a sexy and easy(er) problem to solve, but rather what to do with the waste at the other end of the problem.

      How is that a problem? Build bason toilet. Throw kitchen scraps into toilet when you shit. Every week or so, turn the crank to stir the shit. Within one year, remove nice, clean composted soil from the door at the back of the vault and use it anywhere you need soil.

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    6. Re:Shit is a real problem by PPH · · Score: 1

      The larger sites are both economically and environmentally better.

      Yeah, right. Until a pump quits or a valve gets stuck open. Then it's thousands of gallons of sewage dumped into the lake. Meanwhile, all us people with septic tanks continue on with no problems.

      The nearby city wants to extend sewer and water to our neighborhood. But for the people out here, that just means a $50,000 property assessment for the improvements plus the privilege of paying about $100 per month for something we get for free. And the chance of being able to watch our shit float by the dock occasionally. The only upside is that instead of a minimum lot size or 2 acres (needed for drain fields), I'll be able to sell my place to a developer for a 50 unit condo.

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    7. Re:Shit is a real problem by PPH · · Score: 2

      Why bother when there's a perfectly good street right there?

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    8. Re:Shit is a real problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is that a problem? Build bason toilet. Throw kitchen scraps into toilet when you shit. Every week or so, turn the crank to stir the shit. Within one year, remove nice, clean composted soil from the door at the back of the vault and use it anywhere you need soil.

      Unless you live in a place which has a lot of communicable disease, in which case you have no guarantee the composting will take care of that.

      This is why most municipal composting programs don't want human/medical/animal waste -- because it could become a vector for spreading any diseases in there.

      Are you 100% sure Ebola, HIV, and a whole host of other nasty things will be neutralized by this? I very much doubt that.

    9. Re:Shit is a real problem by AndrewFlagg · · Score: 1

      "si hoc legere nimium eruditionis habes..." lovely.. first time for me to see this phrase. i feel like Socrates all of a sudden. ;-) i digress. Amen

    10. Re:Shit is a real problem by ediron2 · · Score: 1

      >It's surprising, to be honest, that universities or governments aren't looking at these sort of issues.

      s/surprising, to be honest,/false to claim/g # Claim is offered without evidence, and breathtakingly wrong / stupid.

      Quick googling: there are 50k water engineers in the AWWA alone. Thousands more as civil engineers, public health practitioners, etc. They're looking at process efficiency, clean and waste water, water treatment, problematic wastewater elements like hazmat or cellulose waste, testing, chemistry, and even thermal transfer. Which is regulated, incidentally. Some dumbass cooling their building via tapwater and a heat exchanger would likely break laws, since it costs more for the 'tapwater purity' filtration, plumbing upsize, and wastewater costs, than the AC cost they dodge.

    11. Re:Shit is a real problem by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      If a low level system failure leads to raw effluent being released into the waterways your systems are horrifically designed. All the legacy systems around here that had that failure mode have been replaced. One project example is the BMP Alliance which was built to handle population growth and to remove the "failure to environment" state.

      Septic also isn't without its problems. It dramatically increases the nutrient content in nearby waterways which causes all kinds of imbalances. This also assumes the septics are maintained and not just straight up broken.

      I also say this as someone who is on a "biocycle" system and not a main sewerage system. Mains sewerage will run to me at some point, but it won't cost me anything to have it connected but will have a cost of about $40 a year once installed.

      The Beenleigh Merrimac Pimpama Alliance (BMP Alliance) was a collaboration of Gold Coast City Council, Tenix and sub-alliance partner GHD. The Alliance was created to improve and expand the wastewater network in the rapidly developing areas of Beenleigh, Merrimac and Pimpama on QLD’s Gold Coast. The $220 million program included the design, construction, modification, expansion and decommissioning of wastewater pipelines, wastewater pumping stations and related assets.

      Project Scope:
      Construction of approximately 47km of new wastewater pipes
      Decommissioning of 40 pumping stations
      Upgrade 41 pumping stations
      Overflow storage added to 15 pumping stations
      Construction of 8 new pumping stations

    12. Re: Shit is a real problem by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

      That's a shit comment and it shows that you are a racist asshole. A shit hole is a temporary solution to a permanent problem. A badly run water treatment plant will discharge toxic water into the water supply. We have just been through a couple years of drought, the dams got so low there were fears of it running out completely, also the water quality dropped significantly because they were using the lowest part of the dam water, we had to boil all the water we took from the tap, just to be safe. We also bought a LOT of bottled water for drinking and cooking.

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    13. Re: Shit is a real problem by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

      Depends on how you compost it, the original posters comment about having a "little back door" obviously doesn't realize how much shit he produces, in the toilet, or every time he posts a comment.

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  18. Blaaj by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After Windows, Bill "innovated" another more hygienic toilet, what a genius, what a XP!?!

  19. Our astronauts can use repressed water by pgmrdlm · · Score: 1

    If waste water(cleaning, toilet) can already be processed to be consumable by our astronauts. Why did the gates have to invent/invest to find a new way of doing it.

    Is their way that much more economical????

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    1. Re:Our astronauts can use repressed water by Harlequin80 · · Score: 2

      Reverse Osmosis, the method used on the ISS, is high energy, & highly complex. It is perfect for that situation though and is the method that is used in large scale water treatment plants in the developed world.

      For places with limited technical skills, unreliable power and limited supporting infrastructure it is not a good fit.

    2. Re:Our astronauts can use repressed water by pgmrdlm · · Score: 1

      Thank you for the information.

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  20. a real crappy idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    really sh1tty

  21. Re: Windows. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well done.. I came for that particular joke :-)

  22. Re:Toilet training Pajeets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It'll be a darn sight lazier than trying to get you to stop being a bigot.

  23. Ah, you store hydrogen in hydrogen fuel cells? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is slashdot, FFS!

    Technical journalism with a clue.

  24. Why do yanks shart their pants in Walmart? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the US you call them marts.

  25. Re:Never skimp on anything between you and the gro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Bad headline, this isn't "toilet" research, it's biotech.

  26. Africa by QuadEddie · · Score: 0

    We don't want this Bill. Africa is already set for a population explosion over the next 30 years. If you solve the infant deaths, that means there's more people wanting to leave that shithole and where are they going to go but migrate into Europe. Leave the shithole alone and focus on domestic issues instead of creating international crisises in the name of naive philanthropy.

    1. Re:Africa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We don't want this Bill. Africa is already set for a population explosion over the next 30 years. If you solve the infant deaths, that means there's more people wanting to leave that shithole

      Wow, let's ensure other people die young so they don't grow up to want a piece of the pie.

      I wish pain and misfortune on you and your family on an epic scale, that way you can either die yourself, or learn not to be such an asshole.

      If the future of humanity is people like you, we're all fucked.

    2. Re:Africa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about this? If it's not such a shithole due to the shit being dealt with, then less people will want to leave in the first place? And the more of a shithole it is, the more people will find ways of leaving it and 'invading' your precious 'non-shithole' country?

      As for the population explosion, this is *less* likely to happen if infant mortality drops (due to a reduction in shit-related diseases) because people in the 'shithole' countries won't have to have loads of 'extra' children to ensure some of them survive.

      It's not rocket science; all this has been seen in many countries before which have gone from 'shithole' to 'non-shithole' status in the past.

      If you're going to be a bigot, at least try not to be a totally retarded bigot.

    3. Re:Africa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >fuck africa
      That's how you get TWC.

      >first-world africa
      That's how you get low birth rates.

      It's a well-documented pattern. As countries grow reasonable laws and living (ie the various attributes of a FWC) their population growth slows, stop, and even declines.

      "Leave the shithole alone" doesn't fix it; fixing it fixes it.

      But hey, "I've got mine fuck you" right?

  27. Respect it because the alternative is bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, so it turns out pretty much every noncommercial toilet in America is a joke. The seals fail. They just fail. The huge amount of waste that arises from *having toilets with sucky designs in almost every home in the country* is insane.

    The fix is pretty simple: whenever a toilet shows up in a landfill or dumpster, bill the manufacturer.

    We don't do that, so every producer has an incentive to make toilets crappy enough that they fail within a few years.

    1. Re:Respect it because the alternative is bad by geekmux · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah, so it turns out pretty much every noncommercial toilet in America is a joke. The seals fail. They just fail. The huge amount of waste that arises from *having toilets with sucky designs in almost every home in the country* is insane.

      The fix is pretty simple: whenever a toilet shows up in a landfill or dumpster, bill the manufacturer.

      We don't do that, so every producer has an incentive to make toilets crappy enough that they fail within a few years.

      Uh, where exactly are you getting your data that confirms we're throwing away toilets every few years? My last house still had the avocado green and harvest gold toilets installed from the 70's (no, I'm not joking), and my current house still has the original hardware that's almost 20 years old. Yes, internal hardware like the flapper breaks down over time (more likely due to the chlorinated water attacking the rubber material), but you don't rip a toilet out of a house because the guts fail. Every toilet I've replaced has been due to something other than breakage (color, height, shape, water capacity, etc.)

      Much like consumer electronics, fashion has put more hardware into landfills than function has.

    2. Re:Respect it because the alternative is bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >The seals fail. They just fail.

      That's something seals do over time. On everything. Even your car. Designing seals that last "forever" is incredibly expensive and generally pointless. Designing easily replaced seals is what an engineer with a clue does. And replacing the seals on a toilet isn't that big of a deal, is about 1/20th the price of a new toilet, and requires only VERY basic hand tools (an adjustable wrench and a screwdriver).

      I'm not aware of a difference with European toilets in this regard. I'd know, because I have a wash down toilet and an "American" style siphon toilet. The mechanism controlling water flow might look different on the washdown model, but it has seals that will fail. And the connection to the sewer looks different (a sleeve instead of a rubber ring) but it is made of the same material that will eventually break down.

      As for failing within a few years, what? Maybe if you buy a $99 builder special. Try spending more than the minimum. I typically get 25 years out of the flapper and, frankly, a lifetime out of the sewer seal.

    3. Re:Respect it because the alternative is bad by aitikin · · Score: 1

      You're absolutely correct. I'm about to replace all of mine. Bought the house 5.5 years ago, but I'm quite certain the toilets were the ones installed in '78 when the house was built. I'm replacing them in small part because one of the flappers is not sealing and the others are getting close to that point, but in large part because they use about 10 gallons (yes, I'm exaggerating, but it's still way more than necessary) every time they flush. If I wanted to, I could keep them running for another 30 years for about 1/5 the cost of the new toilets, but the savings on getting dual-flush models will negate that over 10 years (yeah, my water rate is kinda silly...).

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    4. Re:Respect it because the alternative is bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're absolutely correct. I'm about to replace all of mine. Bought the house 5.5 years ago, but I'm quite certain the toilets were the ones installed in '78 when the house was built. I'm replacing them in small part because one of the flappers is not sealing and the others are getting close to that point, but in large part because they use about 10 gallons (yes, I'm exaggerating, but it's still way more than necessary) every time they flush. If I wanted to, I could keep them running for another 30 years for about 1/5 the cost of the new toilets, but the savings on getting dual-flush models will negate that over 10 years (yeah, my water rate is kinda silly...).

      Look, you want to replace your toilet, go for it. But all of that stuff is fixable without replacing the entire unit. If you want to reduce the amount of water the toilet uses, place a couple of bricks in the tanks (or even better another non-buoyant waterproof object).

    5. Re:Respect it because the alternative is bad by G00F · · Score: 1

      Reducing the amount of water used on toilet like that can make the toilet not operate correctly. Usually clog more often, as they are designed to create a siphon when a larger amount of water raises the back side water line. And then to continue the siphon long enough to get everything up and over. If that siphon gets things up and over without enough water to push it down you get a clog.

      With the older models that use 8+ gallons a single brick wont affect much, but adding multiple, or doing it to one using 4 gallons...

      However, all seals are replaceable, and you can replace them all ~$20 in an hr or two.

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    6. Re:Respect it because the alternative is bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Install a dual-flush system on your old toilet. Works great on my Standard Cadet, with a manufacture date of 1941.

  28. Oblig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's some expensive shit.

  29. the three sea shells finally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So we are getting the three sea shells toilet finally! (Demolition Man reference)

  30. Wanna save even more infant deaths? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get rid of abortion. Murdering babies because a VAST majority of women don't want to deal with the responsibility of choosing to have sex is wrong.

    1. Re:Wanna save even more infant deaths? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They could always limit themselves to anal sex... which kinds of loops back to this topic.

    2. Re: Wanna save even more infant deaths? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was a study directly relating illegality of abortions with increases in crime much later due to child abandonment and Bad upbringing / being unwanted. If someone doesnâ(TM)t want a baby (by error or otherwise) sometimes that bond cant be made and another messed up individual roams the streets later on in life

    3. Re:Wanna save even more infant deaths? by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Right, because women NEVER get pregnant from rape or incest!

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    4. Re:Wanna save even more infant deaths? by Harinezumi · · Score: 1

      A clump of cells is not an infant and represents a trivial investment of resources on society's and the mother's part. Definitions are important, otherwise you could easily pay off the national debt if you defined "paying off" as "sucking" and "the national debt" as "my dick".

  31. Re:Never skimp on anything between you and the gro by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

    I wish the west would invest more in toilets. 99.9% of them here are just basic flush models, not even heated seats. Why the hell are we still using toilet paper, it's such a waste of resources and doesn't even clean that well. If you got faeces on any other part of your body you wouldn't wipe it off with a paper tower and call it job done.

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  32. Re:Toilet training Pajeets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's not really a bigot, just a Coporophile and possibly Coporophage in denial (assuming it's the same person as the one who posts on *nearly every thread* about 'shitty smelly hindu chimps').

  33. Re:Windows. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At least you didn't go here.

  34. Using his Billions to make sh!t happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fantastic use of money to deal with something so overlooked by the bulk of the modern world

  35. Re:Never skimp on anything between you and the gro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Absolutely. I am about to remodel a bathroom and wish I could install a toilet, even if is costs more, that produces drinkable/usable water and fertilizer for my garden.

    As long as A) it doesn't break and need repairs frequently B) doesn't require components and other materials that wreck havoc on the environment to produce C) doesn't leak or have handle stuck issues like most toilets seem too and D) doesn't require some weekly/monthly filter replacement overhead etc. yearly is fine and in line with other things you must do yearly like replace filters on heat/cooling systems, inspect your septic (if you have one), winterize the house, clean the gutters, etc.

  36. no shit Sherlock by AndrewFlagg · · Score: 1

    ironically, the catch phrase "no shit Sherlock" comes to mind for Mr. Gates. The more people, the more poop. The more poop, the more pooper scoopers. a beautiful cycle like water.. just keep it clean and let it flow. reminds me of an SNL episode called Colon Blow. ;-) good one for a Throwback Thursday. Amen.

  37. thats kind of crappy by CRidpath · · Score: 1

    What a shitty way to spend money

  38. You know the old saying... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    "It's a shitty job, but _somebody_ has to do it!"
    I'm currently working on software testing... I don't see any difference between that and toilet research! It's all just dealing with the shit other people have left behind.

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  39. Re:Never skimp on anything between you and the gro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hire a servant to wash your ass for you, then they can use your electric washer and electric dryer to clean the cloth they used. Give them $.05 more an hour and I bet they'd look you over for any shit that may have gotten on other parts of your body as well.

  40. Re: Never skimp on anything between you and the gr by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

    Agreed, our rivers get dumped with half treated sewerage all the time, kills all the fish and I'm sure it causes other issues as well, if the toilet can take over the job of the treatment plants you don't have to build all the infrastructure that is needed currently. This is an awesome thing to invest in. My wife dragged me to a humanure course, and I am glad she did, current methods of turning human shit into fertilizer is time consuming and you need a lot of space to do it. Septic tanks are a pain, most toilet cleaners fuck with them, even ones that are marked as being septic tank friendly, at some point they have to drained, which is when the honey sucker truck is called in and they suck all the shit out. So yeah, advances of this sort will change a lot of people's lives.

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  41. Abby Rockefeller and Clivus Multrum by AlejandroTejadaC · · Score: 1

    This news brings Abby Rockefeller to my memory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... I just keep wondering if Bill Gates could have better invest his money in this company: http://www.clivusmultrum.com/