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The DEA and ICE Are Hiding Surveillance Cameras In Streetlights (qz.com)

According to federal contracting documents, the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) have hidden an undisclosed number of covert surveillance cameras inside streetlights around the country. Quartz reports: According to government procurement data, the DEA has paid a Houston, Texas company called Cowboy Streetlight Concealments LLC roughly $22,000 since June 2018 for "video recording and reproducing equipment." ICE paid out about $28,000 to Cowboy Streetlight Concealments over the same period of time. It's unclear where the DEA and ICE streetlight cameras have been installed, or where the next deployments will take place. ICE offices in Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio have provided funding for recent acquisitions from Cowboy Streetlight Concealments; the DEA's most recent purchases were funded by the agency's Office of Investigative Technology, which is located in Lorton, Virginia. "We do streetlight concealments and camera enclosures," Christie Crawford, who owns Cowboy Streetlight Concealments with her husband, told Quartz. "Basically, there's businesses out there that will build concealments for the government and that's what we do. They specify what's best for them, and we make it. And that's about all I can probably say."

158 comments

  1. Why would they need to "hide" them there? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    They are built in. Mics, cameras, sensors of all kinds. Every-fucking-where. It's literally a dystopian surveillance nightmare.

    And even if they didn't, ever fucking moron is walking around like the dumb sheep they are with a surveillance device ON THEM. Fucking cretins.

    1. Re:Why would they need to "hide" them there? by Aighearach · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hey, fuck you buddy, why the hell are you blaming Crete for this shit?

      Have you ever been to Crete? No.

      Do they have public surveillance in Crete? No.

      Do they even have good cell phone access in Crete? No.

      If you can manage to comprehend the story, this is being done by Fucking Texans!

    2. Re:Why would they need to "hide" them there? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      You might want to buy yourself a dictionary there bub. A cretin is a stupid person. The derivation of the word has nothing to do with Crete, it's actually a corruption of the word "Christian" oddly enough.

    3. Re:Why would they need to "hide" them there? by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Do they have public surveillance in Crete? No.

      Oh really? https://www.researchgate.net/p...

      Do they even have good cell phone access in Crete? No.

      Crete is actually rather small and has cell phone coverage everywhere.

      If you can manage to comprehend the story, this is being done by Fucking Texans!

      Texans? What a bunch of cretins.

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    4. Re: Why would they need to "hide" them there? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Woosh. Typical you missed the humor.

    5. Re:Why would they need to "hide" them there? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Hey, fuck you buddy, why the hell are you blaming Crete for this shit?

      Was this your high school?
      https://www.niche.com/k12/cret...

    6. Re:Why would they need to "hide" them there? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The joke

      Your head

    7. Re:Why would they need to "hide" them there? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BeauHD, a different A/C here. Not sure what you're on about, but it would at least seem that there is at least some truth in what was said about the etymology of the term "cretin". See here and here (note the caveat)

      And despite what you think about Jesus, he did not bring unity to the world. The messiah is supposed to lead us into the kingdom of g0d. Why does this seem no different than the world prior to that time, just with more technology and more people? He didn't do that part of the messiah deal either.

    8. Re:Why would they need to "hide" them there? by Scarletdown · · Score: 4, Funny

      The big Q is, "Are you pro Crete or con Crete?"

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    9. Re: Why would they need to "hide" them there? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not that guy but I thought the humor was sub-par, like something from 4chan. go tell them you found someone who thinks they are smart and expose them to ingratiate yourself briefly and acquire that sweet, sweet, fleeting, lulz

    10. Re: Why would they need to "hide" them there? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I hope this is humor.

    11. Re: Why would they need to "hide" them there? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What has Crete done? I'll tell you what they did! Athens, warring with Crete, was compelled by the Oracle at Delphi to sue for peace. Minos, king of the Cretins, demanded and won such outrageous terms that Cretin has ever since been a term of abuse.

      As Plutarch says:

      From the example of Minos we may learn how dangerous it is to make an enemy of a city that has great writers. Although Hesiod called him "most royal Minos," and Homer called him "Jupiter's good friend," playwrights of Athens always represented Minos as a cruel and violent man, and rained down abuse and slander from the stage.

    12. Re: Why would they need to "hide" them there? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought the humor was sub-par

      I have to agree. I think there are many people out there for whom this rant would be legitimate due to their limited knowledge, and making fun of people for their ignorence is pretty sub-par.

    13. Re:Why would they need to "hide" them there? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You probably should look at the map before you talk. Judging on the terrain I would be very surprised if there was surveillance in every part of the island and if they ever make coverage in every bloody canyon the island is known for the company that did that should have got a medal for wasting their money. It is not as coverage was bad but it is just not everywhere.
      This and you should pull the plugs out of your ears - you may have heard the wooosh sound of a low flying joke.

    14. Re:Why would they need to "hide" them there? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      To get electrical power and their own fast networking in.
      People tend to notice a set of CCTV like camera equipment to capture driver and passengers faces next to a citizenship question road stop with the citizenship alerting K9 units.
      Workers for telcos also notice law enforcement requests for their city, states networks.
      A "hide' lets all enforcement with federal funding get past local telco workers and any need for their new equipment to be seen in the open.

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    15. Re: Why would they need to "hide" them there? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree, that was some Reddit front-page level shit. Is Slashdot even capable of having a serious conversation?

    16. Re: Why would they need to "hide" them there? by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      After a long hard session in the bathroom, I've decided I'm an ex-crete

    17. Re:Why would they need to "hide" them there? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no one in public has any right to privacy.

      carry on.

    18. Re:Why would they need to "hide" them there? by mschuyler · · Score: 1

      Whoosh! Kinda flew right over your head, huh, bub?

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    19. Re:Why would they need to "hide" them there? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Low flying? It was practically tunneling.

  2. State and country violations abound! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When it comes to installing equipment on telephone poles and street lights, it's all tightly regulated. If they are doing this without any notification then they are likely violating multiple city/county regulations and state laws.

    Food for thought.

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    1. Re:State and country violations abound! by Gavagai80 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And that's why the cameras are concealed: so that the city/county/state doesn't notice them.

      Parallel construction solves the problem for the DEA bringing a case to court. The ICE doesn't even need to worry about that.

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    2. Re:State and country violations abound! by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Funny

      In times of crisis, sometimes the government has to go beyond the law. And clearly we are in a crisis, since illegal immigrants are murdering you right now.

      https://politics.theonion.com/...

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    3. Re:State and country violations abound! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When it comes to installing equipment on telephone poles and street lights, it's all tightly regulated

      Nope.

      There is absolutely no law prohibiting the authority from installing stuffs on telephone poles and street lights, as long as the 'equipment' does not 'cause life threatening harm' to pedestrians / residents nearby.

      In other words, the authority has the legal rights to install rain gauge, and/or temperature probe, and/or smog sensors, and/or motion detectors, and/or even surveillance cameras, on the poles.

      On another news, Americans will be microchipped very soon, in order to better protect the little children !

    4. Re:State and country violations abound! by msauve · · Score: 2

      Regulated? This is the government, rules don't apply as far as they're concerned.

      "hidden an undisclosed number of covert surveillance cameras inside streetlights around the country.... the DEA has paid a Houston, Texas company called Cowboy Streetlight Concealments LLC roughly $22,000"

      So, they installed 20 or 30 across the country, assuming the cowboys made a profit.

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    5. Re:State and country violations abound! by PPH · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Until the lamp goes out or the city/county/state sends Bubba up with his ladder truck to do periodic maintenance.

      "Aw sheeeit! Must be all these extra gol durn wires that messed up the light."

      Takes side cutters, removes all the crap he doesn't recognize and re-lamps the fixture. Fixed. I've worked in the utility biz. Their database of who owns what is atrocious. They just go out and fix lights that the public report as being out. No sense risking complaints because "our records don't show who is responsible for that hardware."

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    6. Re:State and country violations abound! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When it comes to the US and immigrants, it's all tightly regulated. If you are entering the country without any notification, you are definitely violating multiple city/country regulations, state, and federal laws.

      Food being tossed out the window

    7. Re:State and country violations abound! by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1, Troll

      Uh huh. And with the way things are going I wouldn't at all be surprised if anyone who made too much noise about 'laws' being broken bought a whole mess of trouble for themselves, like having their lives turned upside down by the DEA and ICE. Not that that's legal either, far from it, but that seems to be the country we're living in these days, especially under the current administration. The jackbooted thugs that tend towards law enforcement are having their day lately, if you haven't noticed.

    8. Re:State and country violations abound! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not so sure about that. About 8 years ago my kitty Mr. Whiskahs went missing. I went to Kinkos and printed hundreds of lost kitty flyers and put them up on telephone poles. Someone keeps tearing them down. Each week I go out and replace the flyers that have been torn down and not a week goes by without some smartass telling me it's illegal to post my flyers on telephone poles. Well, keep tearing them down bitches. Don't like it? Lock me up if it's illegal.

    9. Re: State and country violations abound! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read *America: The Farewell Tour.* It's called "anomie," this self- and other-destructive tendency of people stuck in a rut; I call it "loser mode."

    10. Re:State and country violations abound! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not true.
      The patriot act gives them the power to do ANYTHING in the name of safety and security.

    11. Re:State and country violations abound! by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Generally cities own the streetlights. They have to repair them over time so they would notice. Many cities are moving to add sensors and the like to save money, so someone would notice soon enough. So if there are cameras I suspect that there's an agreement about them.

      Note that there are cameras on or near traffic lights even when not used to catch those who run the lights. Many are being used to count cars to estimate traffic patterns.

    12. Re:State and country violations abound! by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

      Maybe not murdering you, but after this story they will be blowing through red lights at intersections. So vehicular homiciding you at least, I suppose.

    13. Re:State and country violations abound! by Repentinus · · Score: 1

      Preemption – as long as the Congress says the feds can do it, the state cannot do anything.

    14. Re:State and country violations abound! by gtall · · Score: 1

      Just wait until The Caravan gets here. They'll be plagues of Biblical Proportions. Right thinking Evangelicals will be forced to sacrifice their long cherished banks accounts. Kids will be learning...I hate to say this in public...Spanish! The KKK will ride to defend the U.S. against hordes of Muslims, drug pushers, and pimps...all disguised as migrant Central Americans trying to escape the chaos inflicted on their homelands because of the U.S.'s endless demand for illegal drugs.

    15. Re:State and country violations abound! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just for info, the evil caravan is made up almost entirely of Catholic Christians. Some have stated a belief that when they arrive at the US frontier that God will soften the heart of those that would stop them and that their faith in Jesus will take them to a new land of milk and honey.

      Of course the POTUS has apparently ordered his military reinforcements to shoot them at any sign of provocation.

      Soldiery of the USA opening fire on unarmed Christians is a great look. Keep up the good work.

    16. Re:State and country violations abound! by lgw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If your city actually fixes streetlights when their out, it's doing OK. It has its pension costs under control. Good on em. Last city I lived in in California just turned them all off to save money. Of course, that led to people stealing the copper out of the street lights, so a huge net loss long term, but that's Cali for you. (Fremont eventually gave in and fired a couple of government workers, the horror, and was back in the business of street lights and even filling pot holes, but it took years.)

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    17. Re:State and country violations abound! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing a few pardons wouldnt fix. Suck it, libtards. Go cry to your sugar-momma clinton-soros.

    18. Re:State and country violations abound! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      Nothing about this has to do with federal law. There is no federal law stating they must or even can take these measures.

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    19. Re: State and country violations abound! by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      Oh that would be the religion that systematically molests and rapes people with it's deviant leaders, caused the crusades that mass murdered millions, turned millions over to brainwashed government for murder and torture, held back human progress for over a thousand years, causes people guilt and mental issues over normal behavior? What would we want more of that ilk in our country?

    20. Re:State and country violations abound! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Streetlights are an interesting thing. There are federal grants for installing streetlights for safety. The local governments tout their safety bonafides by installing them. Then the power bill goes up to keep em on, which wasn't accounted for in the budget. Sorta like medicare expansion, sure its "free" money, but the states have to come up with what? 30%? Same problem.

    21. Re:State and country violations abound! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On new construction lights are likely LED fixtures that will last for 15 years before needing replacing.

    22. Re:State and country violations abound! by geekymachoman · · Score: 1

      They've been "violating" rules and laws forever, just now its known.

      What you'all gonna do about it ? Nothing.

      There's a big club, and you're not in it.

      We'll be reading similar article in 2 years time.

    23. Re:State and country violations abound! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the installer of the surveillance equipment did their job properly, why would Bubba be doing more than just changing the bulb? When a lamp goes out, most likely the bulb has gone and that will probably be the first thing changed to get it working again, and Bubba won't even look carefully enough to notice extra wires.

    24. Re:State and country violations abound! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      more and more cities are moving to LED or HID street lamps, replacing the old sodium vapor ones. the new lights give much longer lifespan with the bonus of a brighter and whiter light, perfect for all these hidden cameras. not only will the city be poking around the lamps less frequently, the pictures and video will be higher quality.. and the cities might even farm out the installation of the lighting 'upgrades' to third parties (who just happen to this camera work for the feds).

      tl;dr: don't trust 'white' street lights and don't 'conduct business' within their reaches.

    25. Re:State and country violations abound! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      What you'all gonna do about it ? Nothing.

      Actually, rights groups sue the federal government. This does lead to reforms. You can stick you nose up and proclaim, "naw-aww!" but it happens.

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    26. Re:State and country violations abound! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Federal government can do whatever they want, slick. This isn't some nerd living in his parents' basement. It's ICE and the DEA.

    27. Re:State and country violations abound! by mysidia · · Score: 1

      When it comes to installing equipment on telephone poles and street lights, it's all tightly regulated.

      Erhm... Its not just that. Private property: the federal government doesn't own it, they can't load crap on those poles.
      The state or municipality owns the land the poles are on, generally. If they're on private property, then the landowner's permission is required to put something on the poles, and nobody can just hang streetlights or cameras, or whatever they feel like without permission of the property owner.

      Poles on public land or the right of way --- this is municipality or county/parish-owned land, not federally owned land, so the feds don't have any authority or rights to do anything with it. For public land: municipality or electric company that put the poles in place owns the poles, generally --- in some cases the deal is by installing the pole on right of way the PoCo has to let other utility cabling ride the pole.

      That leaves basically two possibilities: (1) They are in cahoots with some cities, or (2) The DEA themself are breaking the law or doing something fraudulent --- for example, by doing clandestine jobs at night where they replace hardware with bugged hw in secret, or corrupting municipalitys' supply chains by covertly introducing bugged units that when plugged into power have a hidden camera that works without infrastructure

      Chances are its (1)..... "Here, let us save you some $$$ on streetlights --- we'll provide a certain percentage of the units you need for your city; in exchange we might do some shady things with some of them, but you go by no questions asked, and the feds will cut you in on for $$$ on some of the action"

    28. Re:State and country violations abound! by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Oh look, the conservatives have mod points today! Someone on the Blue side of the aisle, please mod me back up? Thanks.

    29. Re:State and country violations abound! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Due to the present economic circumstances, the light at the end of the tunnel will be switched off at the weekends. Thank you for understanding.

  3. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    I want this. Now we can have video evidence of things that were only self reported and actual images of the thugs perpetuating crimes against law abiding people. There is no down side to this, unless of course you are plannng on committing a crime.

    1. Re:Good by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Move to London then. They've got cameras all over. Doesn't seem to have done much about the crime though. Turns out that criminals can just cover their faces.

      I can't for the life of me imagine why people will gladly run to totalitarian solutions with arms wide open just because they think it will solve some other problem. It won't, but now you've just given the government more power and more control, and good luck clawing that back.

    2. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I give zero shits about London, thatâ(TM)s just where we go for long weekends sometimes, but I care about my neighborhood and beach access. Cameras there will help when thugs do something called âoesmash and grabsâ, and I look forward to prosecuting them.

    3. Re:Good by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Since when do the people have any control of Britain? The one time they've tried to change things and voted for Brexit, their rulers were outraged and are attempting to nullify the result. Who in Britain wanted to be overrun by foreigners? They have no control and it's disingenuous to suggest the cameras are their fault.

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    4. Re:Good by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Yes, statistically it doesn't do much good at all. But the control freaks and power-hungry types don't feel like peeing their pants out of anxiety when they can grip the general public as tightly as possible.

    5. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Move to London then. They've got cameras all over. Doesn't seem to have done much about the crime though. Turns out that criminals can just cover their faces.

      Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." That quote often comes up in the context of new technology and concerns about government surveillance.

      The evil caravan is going to come and kill us all, take our jobs, rape our women, something, something, something, was an appeal to security over liberty. Well it was really a fucking flat out con job that seems to have worked well enough, as noted by the near immediate case of it not being a big concern the day after the election.

      The cameras are also an appeal to security over liberty, but they can't even be honest enough about it to make them visible. At they same time they try this con job to make us safe, they also say there is absolutely nothing that can be ever done about all the mass shootings because liberty is always most important.

      Every politician who's principles seem non existent needs to be fired as soon as possible. Any politician who has deliberately used fear, particularly fear based on lies needs to not only be fired, they need to be impeached and banned from holding any position of importance greater than junior assistant dish washer for the rest of their natural life. Any politician who, for the sake of party stood by and did nothing, also should be fired and done with that career for life.

    6. Re:Good by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The one time they've tried to change things and voted for Brexit, their rulers were outraged and are attempting to nullify the result.

      That is just so full of lies and/or stupid I don't know where to begin.

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    7. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Move to London then. They've got cameras all over. Doesn't seem to have done much about the crime though. Turns out that criminals can just cover their faces.

      I can't for the life of me imagine why people will gladly run to totalitarian solutions with arms wide open just because they think it will solve some other problem. It won't, but now you've just given the government more power and more control, and good luck clawing that back.

      Look at ACTUAL totalitarian governments, Jesus they are not hard to find. Cameras are the least of your problems, because your first problem will be a plainclothes officer stopping you for saying something unpatriotic. Surveillance equipment doesn’t make a government authoritarian, its the other way around, jackass, and they hardly need you on camera to persecute you.

    8. Re:Good by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      More lies from an idiot.

      Brexit, their rulers were outraged and are attempting to nullify the result.

      May is outraged? Johnson is outraged? Raab? Hunt? Reese-Mogg? Hell, even Corbyn?

      You're yet again simply lying about stuff because you want to blame teh ibruhls for things and in your view anything you can think of no matter how wild is true.

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    9. Re:Good by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0, Troll

      So have we missed May "oops"-ing her way to screwing up negotiations, thus paving the way for a nullifcation?

      The little people voted. The people spoke. The rulers are outraged and trying to overturn their decison. It's a revolt of the elites.

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    10. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'I want this. Now we can have video evidence of things that were only self reported and actual images of the thugs perpetuating crimes against law abiding people.'

      You mean cops shooting black kids?

    11. Re:Good by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      You have truly scaled the cliffs of inanity, who done.

      You keep blithering about the rulers yet literally ignoring all the rich ruling toffs who want to leave.

      As for your laughably idiotic assessment of May's negotiating... you clearly think there's some magical way of winning against very experienced negotiators when you have the weakest hand and everyone knows it.

      And it's especially stupid when we have promised several mutually exclusive things on the Ireland border. I'll bet you have no solution for that either expect drooling about "rulers".

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    12. Re:Good by p4nther2004 · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      ...because your first problem will be a plainclothes officer stopping you for saying something unpatriotic....

      You will stand for the national anthem, not kneel.

      (Look to JK Rowling's recent tweets about Trump and remember than 1984 had lots of camera)

    13. Re: Good by iggymanz · · Score: 0

      Actually in most cases, 9 out of ten at least, it's lawless dangerous savages attacking cops and getting shot.

    14. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In what way do cameras observing public places make me less free?

    15. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So? Even one person being killed for no good reason by an incompetent, corrupt government is a tragedy and a crime.

      Even if that person doesnâ(TM)t look like you.

    16. Re: Good by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      the savages killing innocents is thousands of times bigger the problem and why they need to be gunned down when a danger to others. Like that "gentle giant" in Ferguson, actually a dangerous violent huge primate

    17. Re: Good by Potor · · Score: 1

      for one, they make me less free from cameras observing public places.

    18. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember DNS-and-BIND doesn't actually care about Brexit, they just care about spreading as much chaos and confusion as possible. Just another foreign troll looking for useful idiots, in other words.

    19. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seldomly have I seem so much ignorance in one comment. But hey, I always wondered how the circle starts again after we've *seen* what surveillance leads to decades ago. Guess I know how now. People don't know history.

    20. Re: Good by mysidia · · Score: 1

      The places are publicly owned and accessible.
      Things that happen there CAN still be private: when you look around, and see that no other person is there or nearby, then you have a reasonable expectation of almost complete privacy.

      Also, if somebody records your voice without the consent of at least one party to the conversation, then you have what is called an illegal recording; A.K.A. illegal unauthorized wiretap.

    21. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahhh his true colors show.

      Another racist repubtard who fears people of a different skin color.

      It's ok, white people are quickly becoming the minority. Your days are numbered.

    22. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Race is not about "skin color", you fucking retard.

      Your tune will change when you see a world without Aryans.

    23. Re: Good by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      I didn't say anything about race, talked about behavior. How typical of those that imagine themselves enlightened, raising the race smokescreen to hide the truth that we have violent dangerous lawless people making our inner cities a war zone.

    24. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      9 cases out of 10, the dangerous savages doing the attacking ARE the cops.
      not the other way around.

    25. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, you must be seriously sheltered to not know that calling a black person a violent primate pretty much hearkens back to the days including and before Jim Crow.

      Take your ignorant ass back to school, child. If nothing wrong was done, why'd the city settle with the family? Yea, that's called 'avoiding guilt.'

      Dumbass.

  4. It's what the voters unintentionally got by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having lived in Houston for 8 years, I asked several people about the effectiveness of the gajillion amount of street cameras at every intersection. All of them said they were just for show.

    Well, that didn't make much sense. People voted the red light cameras which cost millions to install, and were unvoted a year later after people got caught, get this, running red lights.

    1. Re:It's what the voters unintentionally got by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, that didn't make much sense. People voted the red light cameras which cost millions to install, and were unvoted a year later after people got caught, get this, running red lights.

      Red light cameras are like international trade agreements. It's a misleading label to fool the public. People are mostly ticketed for infractions other than blowing through red lights.

    2. Re:It's what the voters unintentionally got by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, in order to maximize income, the yellow gets shortened and an additional fraction of a second gets added to the "it's red" capture-window for the camera atop it.
      Additionally every imperfect read gets ALL approximate matches living in the area get their demerit points and a ticket in the mail.
      Footage never gets used to prevent or solve an accident, but that time you were making out at a red light's thrown in your face as a "we'll tell your wife about this chick if you don't shut up" way.

  5. Clearly, the maths by rmdingler · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The local governors recently put up multiple $44,000 streetlight fixtures near interstate intersections, apparently without the Cowboy Neil? Streetlight Concealments... I wonder just exactly how many fixtures, retailing at $22k and $28K, could've been purchased for this insidious TLA deployment?

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    1. Re:Clearly, the maths by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $22k is what I would expect for ONE streetlight.

    2. Re:Clearly, the maths by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      apparently without the Cowboy Neil? Streetlight Concealments

      Ah, the hidden story within the story. So that's what he's been up to these days...

    3. Re:Clearly, the maths by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Putting in a streetlight is obviously a lot more expensive than retrofitting a concealed camera to an existing one.

    4. Re:Clearly, the maths by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      I wonder just exactly how many fixtures, retailing at $22k and $28K, could've been purchased for this insidious TLA deployment?

      TFA said the DEA paid $22k and ICE $28k, not per fixture, but total. It seems unlikely that they each bought only one fixture for that money.

      These could be a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of installing them (especially if a new lamppost is needed to put it where they want it).

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  6. At last... by pushing-robot · · Score: 2

    We can finally put an end to those terrible weed smokers and migrant workers.

    Well, probably not.

    But all it cost us was our rights and our privacy.

    And somewhere north of a trillion dollars.

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    1. Re: At last... by TimMD909 · · Score: 2

      While I am aware your comment was sarcastic, I have hope that the President legalizes weed. It seems like an amazing opportunity to make money. I know he likes making deals and money. I also know the criminal justice system makes a lot of money off nonviolent pot smokers. I'm curious to see how this shakes out. Does the money from taxing weed outweigh the money made from the justice system? If yes, then I'd imagine he'd push for legal weed treated much the same as alcohol, but with more tax and greater profit for the government and private sector alike.

    2. Re: At last... by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The President is an old fashioned booze and night club sort of guy. Weed is anathema to people into that. The guy owns an actual casino, for pete's sake.

    3. Re: At last... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Trump doesn't drink at all. His older brother died of alcoholism.

    4. Re: At last... by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

      A Casino that managed to *lose* money.

    5. Re: At last... by lgw · · Score: 1

      Legalizing weed federally has always seemed like an "only Nixon could go to China" problem. Only the Republicans can do it. That doesn't mean they ever will, but Trump is more likely than most. Seems like a good play to me: few socons still care much about it, and it would bring the weedbertarians into the fold.

      The GOP coalition is falling apart and I strongly suspect we'll see a new one over the next couple of years, so plenty of room for negotiation.

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    6. Re: At last... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      ... which takes some skill, since the profit margin is literally built into the rules of the game.

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    7. Re: At last... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of wish he died instead.

  7. Streetlights? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just because the company is called Cowboy Streetlight Concealments doesn't necessarily mean that's all they make.

  8. Handful of cams - meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Based on the amounts paid, this barely covers 8 cameras in total, probably a lot less if you factor in the cost of the software to support them.

    Their use is often quite limited as the cellular charges for the things can get out of hand. Mostly used for tactical specific investigation, and not blanket surveilance for that reason.

    Full disclosure - I have worked with this kind of camera and support them in their use, but not the brand indicated above AFAIK.

  9. If you have nothing to hide by bobstreo · · Score: 1

    then don't shoot out streetlights. /s

    Seriously, the streetlight across from my house sways so much in even a minor wind that it is out for hours at a time.

    I can't imagine the impact repeated electrical outages would have on electronics,

    1. Re: If you have nothing to hide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Came in to say that!

      Yeah, me and my best friend, we're 12 years old, got new wrist rockets and a bucket of 1/2" steel ball bearings.

      We tried. It's hard to hit a street light.

    2. Re: If you have nothing to hide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's nonsense, I've done it on accident.

    3. Re: If you have nothing to hide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Airsoft guns work pretty well.

  10. SoCal has cams on almost every traffic signal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess they need traffic control cams on every block. They were installed years ago with no notification of what they were for.

    1. Re:SoCal has cams on almost every traffic signal by PPH · · Score: 1

      traffic control cams

      Some of these don't feed video back to a headquarters*. They just drive object detection software to sense vehicles present and trigger the signal cycle. They replace inductive traffic loops, which are high maintenance items.

      *But you can never be sure.

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  11. Yet another example by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Of all terrorist groups DEA, NSA and ICE are among the country's most vile enemies.
    This is just one more piece of evidence on the ever-expanding pile that shows every last one of them hates all of us for our freedoms and will stop at nothing to annihilate what's left of the ideals of democracy, freedom and justice for all.

    They are armed, dangerous, and have openly declared war (both through "on drugs" and "on terrorism") on the entire citizenry of the United States. Every last one of them must stop existing. It's them now, or soon enough it'll be us.

    1. Re:Yet another example by gtall · · Score: 1

      The fish rots from the head.

  12. Badly underpaid by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 3, Funny

    A contract with DEA and ICE for 6 months, and all you managed to fleece them for is $22,000? Lightweights.
    You need a better sales/marketing dept.

    1. Re: Badly underpaid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The rest of the purchase was black budget.

    2. Re:Badly underpaid by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Probably a proof of concept, to be rolled oit at 10k a pop afterward

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  13. I used to make concealments. by BobC · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It really doesn't take much effort to make a "good enough" concealment. Basically, the higher off the ground, the easier. Make them look like they're part of the utility infrastructure, and you're home free. The hard part is weatherproofing and hot days in the sun with no wind. For being rain-proof you want no holes, yet to cool down you do, since heat sinks are hard to hide.

    We primarily made concealments containing steerable high-zoom video cameras, the same ones used in high-end security systems, mounted to extremely accurate miniature PTZ bases. The cameras had internal image stabilization, but we also added external stabilization. Then we added automatic subject tracking, so no remote operator on a joystick was needed.

    They were bought by TLAs (Three Letter Agencies), and generally needed a warrant to be mounted and activated.

    When the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq started, we were asked to modify our technology to provide 360-degree surveillance for forward fire bases, who never had enough soldiers to use as sentries 24/7. Our systems turned out so good that we next had to integrate them with C4I systems, just as was done with the video from Predator drones. We initially built the systems into concealments, but soon found that beige paint was good enough, and we simply used sturdy tripods.

    When Somali pirates became a problem, we modified our systems so they could be mounted to ships to again provide 360 degree surveillance.

    We were riding high, a small company (well under 100 employees) who was by far the largest provider in a specialty market. Then the Budget Sequestration of 2011 hit, and all of our government customers not only became unable to buy our new products, they couldn't even fund support contracts or repairs. The guillotine fell, but fortunately we had already started a pivot toward vertical integration, to provide the communication systems needed to relay the surveillance video.

    We entered that market in the right way at the right time, and soon had a long list of prospective customers. But our reduced income caused us to burn through our cash stockpile, and then the banks to stop lending to us: The company folded just as our new products were ready to go into production. That really hurt.

    Looking back, my favorite product was the firebase surveillance system. We were told it had helped prevent countless sneak attacks.

    1. Re:I used to make concealments. by voxelman · · Score: 1

      Did you guys attend NATIA?

    2. Re:I used to make concealments. by BobC · · Score: 1

      I was in Engineering: I never got to go to the shows and conventions, so I didn't pay much attention to which ones the company attended. However, I did get involved when prospective customers came to visit: I often was one of the ponies in the dog and pony show!

    3. Re:I used to make concealments. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So I had one of these set up across from my house (long story about a misunderstanding.) It was a grey box with some safety warning stickers on it that was connected to the power from the streetlight. It was quite obvious to anyone paying attention and if the government ever returns all the hard drives they took from my house I'll post some really cool high res pics of it. An unmarked bucket truck showed up weeks after they came for a visit and took it down.

    4. Re:I used to make concealments. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, just make camera look like a broken and rusted out fitting and no-one will notice it.

    5. Re:I used to make concealments. by voxelman · · Score: 1

      I performed design and manufacturing functions for a similar but much smaller organization although the company's primary focus was software. Interesting work but I was also laid off in February and then decided to retire.

    6. Re:I used to make concealments. by WolfgangVL · · Score: 1

      I've operated that forward base system. Can confirm your last. It also allowed me to look in the "windows" of the mud huts miles out, and catch the small boys f&cking in the poppy fields at night.

      Neat toy.

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  14. Surveillance by markdavis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is bad enough to have a surveillance state. I understand the need for security cameras, general traffic cameras, and even SOME surveillance cameras. But I personally draw the line at *concealed* cameras [and microphones]. I don't think they have any place in a free society... public or private, government or business. Government wants one installed? Get probable cause, get a time-limited warrant, they must be temporary and have a clear, present, and provable objective.

    1. Re:Surveillance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is one of the things the 2nd amendment is for. Very few despotic totalitarian states becomes so overnight; it takes the implementation of numerous programs and a long set-up of the environment required to achieve; otherwise the population realizes what's happening and takes the would-be "ruling elite" out before they cause too much damage.

      Little step by little step, always using little tragedies here and there (which could-have-been but never-would-be prevented as they're needed for this) as the justification, always accusing naysayers of everything from insanity to - eventually - terrorism, always accusing those who merely state facts of lies and of being a threat to the country.

      The USA is well on its way - but waiting for the transformation to complete means waiting until it's far, far too late. This, by the way, is why there's so much endless repetition across all media about how only waiting and voting several years from now in an entirely rigged system is an acceptable, proper way to get rid of the criminals in charge: anything more drastic is illegal, immoral, wrong and bad since it might work.

  15. When the libby libs say we should abolish ICE by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    this is why. ICE was a secondary and borderline paramilitary police force created in the wake of the 9/11 hysteria. We already had plenty of existing power structures in place to control immigration, we didn't need another. You should be very, very careful when folks are asking for entirely new police forces. Ask yourself, what can this new police force do that the old ones couldn't? You probably wouldn't like the answer.

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    1. Re:When the libby libs say we should abolish ICE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Homeland security thinks its the national police now. Every day there is news of Homeland Security Investigations (HSI), formerly Customs Investigations, arresting people for crimes that have no apparent customs or border nexus. Its a major overreach and almost no one knows about. HSI seems to be involved in major ICE related investigations these days as well, but ICE just handles removals. All of DHS needs to go. HSI, ICE, TSA, ETC!

    2. Re:When the libby libs say we should abolish ICE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sanctuary cities created ICE. Don't enforce the law and you get another agency to do it for you.

      You should be very, very careful when folks are willfully ignoring the law and criminal activity. Ask yourself, what do they have to gain by turning a blind eye to crime?

    3. Re:When the libby libs say we should abolish ICE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blindingly stupid comment of the day. Congratulations. And no, it wasn't even close.

    4. Re:When the libby libs say we should abolish ICE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ^Pretty sure this is DNS-and-BIND.

    5. Re: When the libby libs say we should abolish ICE by edris90 · · Score: 1

      Hopefully elimination of the laws that criminalized the behavior in the first place. Laws are meant to reflect the will of the local community. If the local community does not support the law, first comes General civil disobedience, eventually the lag a bureaucracy catches up and removes the law as irrelevant or not supported by Community standards

  16. Used to be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Used to be if you said something like "The Government is Hiding Surveillance Cameras In Streetlights", you'd be labelled as a paranoid nut and probably locked up for you own good.

    Difference is, in 2018 it's actually true.

  17. Re:They should put c6gunner in prison... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Above is yet another butthurt post from the real APK pretending to be c6gunner impersonating APK. It must be because APK is mad that his roommate isn't plowing his ass in the $1 house he got from his parents.

  18. Nobody cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    “Until they became conscious they will never rebel, and until after they have rebelled they cannot become conscious.”

  19. Two cents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Two cents worth of spraypaint, and your thousand-dollar camera's worthless.

    You can do things like that in casinos and other controlled environments, but on the street? Heh.

    AC

    1. Re:Two cents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the very end of the feed features you holding a can of spray paint. Smart!

    2. Re: Two cents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In an all black suit wearing 3 ski masks.

  20. Re:They should put c6gunner in prison... apk by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    The TL;DR version: "I can dish it out but I can't take it."

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  21. Re:They should put c6gunner in prison... apk by _merlin · · Score: 1

    Please explain how a hosts file protects against speculative execution vulnerabilities.

  22. simple equation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    immigrants in ; trust out.

  23. been done for years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These sorts of cameras have been done for years. Nothing new here, except perhaps most people never heard of them...or never cared.

    It's just safer to assume all streetlights have cameras, even though that's not the case. Do all your illegal acts indoors, or while wearing a mask.

  24. Cowboy Conceilments? by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

    Someone please tell me they're not affiliated with the Catheter Cowboy. That would be a rough merger.

  25. It would be highly illegal in the EU. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Around here, you do not only have to warn people BEFORE they enter the filmed area, but you have to put up detailed infos who exactly films it and what *exactly* is done with it. And even with all that, you still can't just film and retain everything you please. E.g. on public ground, you would have to literally ask every single person in advance. Since otherwise you'd be taking away that part of the public ground from the public, even though you don't own it. Which is taking their freedom and rights.
    Only the press is allowed certain exceptions due to freedom of the press being allowed to override the right to privacy, on a case by case basis.

    I'm pleasantly surprised, to hear that there are US cities/counties that also have such laws...

  26. Re:Handful of cams - meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'Their use is often quite limited as the cellular charges for the things can get out of hand. '

    Their only use is to detect if a car, bike or pedestrian comes near it and it makes the light a bit brighter until it's gone again.
    It's just a power saving measure.
    The rest of the world has had them for years.

  27. Streetlights are nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In my area, the local sheriff uses fake fire hydrants to conceal cameras. Some of the county parks have no municipal water supply, in fact, so all of the hydrants one sees in them are fake. I presume the local fire department is in on the gag, but . . . .

    1. Re:Streetlights are nothing by PPH · · Score: 1

      My dog to the rescue!

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  28. Re:They should put c6gunner in prison... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why the fuck is a 4 digit ID replying to this verbal diarrhea? Is this what a greybeard looks like when they are going senile?

  29. Look up more by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

    I didn't even bother to finish reading the summary, I have the flu and a hangover, which is turning out to be unpleasant, anyways just wanted to comment.
    For the last year or so I have been working on Building Management Software (BMS).
    Nice change for me since I have a long financial background, and tend to get head hunted by banks etc.
    So since I am working with BMS I've started looking up a LOT more, because I need to talk to those camera's mounted in the ceiling, that fire detector over there etc. so I have just started paying more attention to shit mounted on the ceiling. There are camera's EVERYWHERE, it's actually fucking scary. I live in a 2nd world country (although I class it as 3rd, most others don't) so I can only imagine in first world countries it's even more prevalent. Do yourself a favor (or disfavor) and look up more, start paying attention to the shit above you, you will not be happy with what you find. We needed to check on a desktop PC that just happened to be deployed in my cities control center. Someone kicked the back of the PC and dislodged the network cable, usually we are not allowed in there, or more accurately I am not allowed in there, I'm a programmer not a desktop technician, but they were desperate and asked me to take a look. There were rows on rows of people sitting monitoring cameras from all around the city, from highway camera's to street camera's to camera's mounted outside public buildings and power lines. Each person had three video walls in front of them with different sized video tiles, I am not sure if that was the only camera's they could see, or just the ones they were currently monitoring, I wasn't in there long and when I started asking questions I didn't get any answers. There were easily a 100 people in there, probably more, all monitoring camera's all over the city. Most buildings have camera's in their elevators, think you are alone in the elevator and can scratch your balls? Think again, there is a camera in there somewhere. So now when I drive to work and get stuck in traffic I tend to look up, and spot the camera's. Look up more, you won't like what you find.

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    1. Re:Look up more by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Most buildings have camera's in their elevators, think you are alone in the elevator and can scratch your balls?

      Making the people watching the video walls watch me scratch my balls is the only revenge available to me...

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    2. Re:Look up more by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

      Making the people watching the video walls watch me scratch my balls is the only revenge available to me...

      Having that as a goal in life is very depressing...
      But fyck I can relate.

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  30. Old by kqc7011 · · Score: 1

    I know that this "camera in a street light" has been is use by law enforcement at least since the early to middle 90's. One of the main uses was to have a camera situated so that it was focused on a phone booth. This was to watch for a specific user of the phone and in higher crime areas to observe drug dealers and other miscreants phone usage. When / if those users were using the phone, then a court order for a phone tap could be asked for. That's how long ago these cameras were being used, pay phones and court orders.

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  31. That explains it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now I understand why they placed a new street light at the end of my driveway.

  32. Re:Handful of cams - meh by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

    Yeah, that's the sort of numbers I was getting. TFS isn't at all clear on whether or not the bills are purely for supplying the hardware, or for supply and installation. If it's just for the hardware, weatherproofed and batteried (so they'll still work when the light isn't powered up) ... you might cover a hundred or so of these. If it's to supply and install, then it's probably a couple of dozen only. Putting a man up on a cherry picker isn't exactly cheap. and sparkies ticketed to work on public utilities cost too. Even without getting any landsharks involved.

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  33. Re:They should put c6gunner in prison... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Zontar also likes sending totally benign post cards to APK to which APK will take as a threat. Zontar is already on APK's list of enemies so it isn't like there is any disadvantage to posting signed at this point.

  34. A total of $50,000? by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 1

    I don't understand. Either this was a very specific operation limited to a small area or these things have gotten much cheaper than I realized.

    It's too early in the morning for me to read the whole article.

    I mean I bought some decent but very reasonably priced security cams for my home in the last year, but they're nothing stealthy. (I keep telling myself that's a feature, not a bug).

    But compared to prices I hear for red light cameras or body cameras for cops or whatever, how can this be so cheap unless it was very specific and small in scope?

    1. Re:A total of $50,000? by sjames · · Score: 1

      Or we're just seeing the tip of the iceberg.

  35. there is always money for surveillance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but never money for small class rooms, healthcare, clean water, more city buses, or anything anyone would want.

  36. Talk about treason... by edris90 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We ought to string up the owners of this company by the nearest tree. And others who runs similar companies. This is clear betrayal against their fellow Americans for financial interest. Everyone e who lives in the USA knows we're in a cold war with our own government. Just a matter of time before it heats up

  37. IQ levels... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They may be smart enough to build spying hardware, but they're not smart enough to use a P.O. Box or office address as their registered agent when they set up the corp. Who knew? Incorporation records are public info...

    https://www.bizapedia.com/tx/c...

    Registered Agent:
    Christie Crawford
    15702 Singapore Lane
    Houston, TX 77040

  38. Knock 'em out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We should collectively search, report and (if so inclined) knock these cameras out.

  39. What "bulb"? by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    If the installer of the surveillance equipment did their job properly, why would Bubba be doing more than just changing the bulb?

    What bulb? This is an LED fixture.

    While I haven't yet found a picture of it, the LED fixtures that are getting installed where I drive seem to have integral LEDs. It looks like "Relamping" them means replacing the fixture.

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  40. And that actually maekes sense by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    It looks like "Relamping" them means replacing the fixture.

    And that actually makes sense. LEDs are still more than a factor of two short of 100% efficient and still improving. By the time these fixtures need relamping it would probably be better to replace them even if the "lamps" were a replaceable part.

    So why make them more complicated and expensive by making what amounts to the entire guts a removable unit, in the hopes somebody will buy some more of that piece ten or twenty years later?

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  41. Bait and switch. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    Red light cameras are sold as, among other things, reducing accidents, by reducing the number of people who run the light.

    Turns out they increase them. They do it by reducing the number of people who run the red light, too.

    At intersections with red light cameras, some drivers who notice the light went yellow (but missed the event and don't know just how long ago it happened) slam on the brakes rather than risk a ticket - and get rear-ended by someone who knew there was plenty of time left.

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    1. Re:Bait and switch. by aybiss · · Score: 1

      So don't tailgate?

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  42. utm_source=reddit.com? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Link to TFA:

    https://qz.com/1458475/the-dea-and-ice-are-hiding-surveillance-cameras-in-streetlights/?utm_source=reddit.com

    Slashdot can't even take credit for their own links?

  43. Re: They should put c6gunner in prison... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its written in Delphi. ;)

  44. Thanks, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cowboy Streetlight Concealment, for enabling government surveillance...

    Jerks.