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Israel Aims To Ban Gasoline, Diesel Vehicles By 2030 (cleantechnica.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from CleanTechnica: 2030 seems like a long way off, but it's really just around the corner. And when the bell tolls at midnight on December 31, 2030, you may not be able to buy a gasoline- or diesel-powered vehicle in Israel. After that date, all passenger cars will be electric and all trucks will be powered by electricity or compressed natural gas, if a proposal currently under consideration gets approved by the government. A final decision is expected by the end of this year. Energy Minister Yuval Steinitz [told Reuters last month] the biggest challenge will be creating a "critical mass" of electric and CNG powered vehicles before the deadline arrives. "We are already encouraging [the transition] by funding ... more than 2,000 new charging stations around the country," he says. The plan was set in motion one day after the United Nations issued its latest climate assessment that finds nations must do far more than they are currently doing in order to stave off warmer global average temperatures that will put the environment at risk. In order to reach the goal, the Israeli government will "reduce taxation on electric cars to almost zero, so they are going to be much cheaper," Energy Minister Yuval Steinitz said. He expects there will be about 177,000 electric cars on Israeli roads around 2025. By 2030, the expectation is that there will be nearly 1.5 million EVs in the country. The country has a ways to go though, as there are less than 100 electric cars on the roads today.
The interesting point will be when the filling stations are mostly all electric charging stations, and driving your vintage car across the country gets to be pretty challenging.
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Way to stick it to the Saudis and Iranians. Be on the forefront of making their primary product worthless while helping your own environment...
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Obviously you don't know much about the various ways petroleum is used, which have nothing to do with internal combustion engines.
Petroleum, unlike you, will not be worthless in your lifetime.
Not pure EVs but I've got two 12 year old hybrid vehicles (2006 Toyota Highlander Hybrid and 2006 Lexus RX400H) and their batteries are still going strong. And these are practically first generation electric hybrids so you'd think the batteries have gotten better since then.
The elephant in the room with EVs is that they become economically unfeasible to keep on the road once the battery pack sufficiently degrades.
Bullcrap. The first Prius went on sale in 1997, and many of them have more than 300k miles. They are mostly still running fine.
One second-gen Prius I was familiar with made it upwards of 200k. What finally did it in was the piston rings. Considering what it was supposed to represent, death by burning oil is kind of ironic. Can't really complain about the service lifetime, though. I would not be the least bit surprised if the battery pack and drive train were sold before they even got it back to the scrapyard. The Prius uses a very conservative power cycle range, because the batteries were still a bit of an unknown in practice. It turns out the batteries were as good as claimed or slightly better, and Toyota's over-engineering means they'll live decades.
How is the Riemann zeta function like Trump rallies? Both have an endless number of trivial zeros.
You should look at the Leaf if you want to know how not to cool a battery pack.
Nissan Leafs have air cooled battery packs rather than liquid cooled and that's why their lifespan has been relatively short. Teslas and even Chevy Volts have much more sophisticated cooling systems and degradation so far is almost non-existant.
In fact a 2011 Chevy Volt had racked up over 450,000 miles as of this last Summer with no noticeable degradation of battery life.
Israel charges 150% tax on personal automobiles. Reducing this tax to (near) zero for CNG and EVs will make them cheaper than most new cars currently on the road.
Bullshit!
CO2 emissions are lower for EVs that are charged using power generated using natural gas than ICE vehicles power by gasoline.
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
Ev cars are full everytime you get in them in the morning.
Theres no getting in the car with the fuel light on. For most people and most usage cases a daily range of 450km is more than enough. It doesnt really matter if it takes 6 hrs to charge if youre asleep.
The only time charge time matters is when you exceed 450km in a day.
You would also get a choice. Cheaper power to allow car to be storage or more expensive for not. Same options as ive got for hotwater systems and aircon
Electric vehicles are 4 to 5 times as efficient as internal combustion engines.
So shifting from gasoline cars to coal powered power plants saves minimum 50% of the fuel (coal powered plants are only ~42% efficient, cars are below 20%)
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As someone who lives in Israel I can confirm, car ownership is more of an upper middle class family thing.
A monthly pass for public transportation in the local metropolitan area costs about $80, half that if you're a student or senior citizen.
And you'd probably get on the bus you need within 15 minutes if you're in a city.
after a few 100K in a car, where they drop to maybe 80%-90% capacity, they get to be re-used as grid storage where they sit a few decades after which they get recycled.
From https://www.theguardian.com/fo...: (with a nice infographic :) )
For every 100km travelled in a petrol car ... ... it takes 26 megajoules to get petrol out of the ground and transport it to the car ... ... and the car itself uses 142 megajoules to move itself around.
For the same distance in an electric car, using electricity generated in an oil-fired power plant ... it takes 74 megajoules to generate and transport the electricity to the car ... ... which then uses just 38 megajoules to move itself and its passengers
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Passenger car diesel engines have energy efficiency of up to 41% but more typically 30%, and petrol engines of up to 37.3%, but more typically 20%
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Gasoline engines effectively use only 15% of the fuel energy content to move the vehicle or to power accessories, and diesel engines can reach on-board efficiency of 20%, while electric vehicles have on-board efficiency of over 90%, when counted against stored chemical energy, or around 80%, when counted against required energy to recharge
And finally, from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...:
Typical thermal efficiency for utility-scale electrical generators is around 37% for coal and oil-fired plants[4], and 56 – 60% (LEV) for combined-cycle gas-fired plants.
I couldn't find good statistics on energy costs of mining and transporting coal, pumping up and refining oil, and pumping up gas but I'm sure they're on the wiki somewhere :). Also, no idea of the energy cost of assembling the batteries vs an ICE but I would assume over the total lifetime of the car it should be negligible.
In any case, the most "optimistic" comparison (from the EV point of view) it gets total fossil-to-wheels efficiency of .6*.8=48%. The most pessimistic is .37*.8=30%. The former figure is lower than total ICE efficiency, while the latter figure is comparable. The statistics from the Guardian link above (which have the ICE use 3.7 times the energy per distance traveled) seems to be close to the 20% vs 80% comparison.
All in all, there does seem evidence for assuming that an EV will get better total energy efficiency, but it will be more like 1.5-2x as efficiency and not an order of magnitude better. Of course, an EV fleet gives better options for generating power - ICEs can only use fossil fuels or biofuels (which are problematic in many cases), while EVs can use anything that generates electricity. Especially solar seems a good idea for Israel.
Toyota now gives a lifetime warranty on the Prius batteries, even on my old car (they upgraded the warranty). They would never do that if it would cost them real money.
As for my car : my batteries are now a decade old, the car is parked outside in winter and when skiing, as well as in summer. There is no noticeable degradation of the batteries.
The whole fear of battery degradation is overblown.
You're seriously claiming that legal tax-evasion via tax-havens is not a thing? Are you living under a rock? Sure, if you make all your income as a salary from a corporation, then reducing taxes on that is difficult, If you however own a corporation tax-evasion becomes easier the larger that corporation is. I mean, what do you think is the reason for basically all major multinational companies owning subsidiaries in the Caymans or other small nations with low taxes? Why do you think it is that basically all megacorps have a lower effective tax-rate on their billions of profit than you do as a employee making a million if creative accounting doesn't exist?
The way the game works when you get to the big-league depends a bit on where you're located and what you're selling but the basic idea is pretty simple and same everywhere: you setup a couple of companies, one in whichever country you're conducting business in (company A), another in a country with suitably lax tax-laws (company B). You then for example make sure that the licensing rights of the software or whatever it is that you're selling are held by the company in the tax-haven. You then do some math and figure out that after operating expenses and salaries and all, the profit of your actual company (company A) is say 100 million. Okay, you don't want to pay taxes on all of that. Well great, you just make a contractual arrangement so that company A has to pay licensing fees to company B to the tune of say, 95 million, and suddenly the profit of company A goes down to 5 million, and the 95 million gets moved to your tax-haven company that pays next to no tax on it.
Variations of this model are so common it's basically a public secret. It's how Apple & al have been dodging billions in taxes for years now. The most common of these arrangements used by US corporations especially to shield around a hundred billion from american taxation a year was known as the Double Irish that used to be combined with what the accountants call a Dutch sandwhich. Basically using Irish and Dutch tax and IP law to move massive amounts of profits from the EU to Bermuda and other tax-havens.
These schemes were forced to be closed by the European Union (American officials and government seemed not to care one bit even though the existence and use of these schemes was known for decades and even though it cost the US a lot in lost tax-revenue.) in 2014. However, Ireland, not wanting to lose all the corporate business especially on the IT-side that this loophole had brought them basically just re-instated the loophole (now known as the 'single malt' arrangement and used by for example Microsoft and probably Facebook) with slightly changed wording and application, but it's essentially still there and still used.
Hell, there's an entire wiki article on Ireland as a tax-haven, which states at the very beginning:
And Ireland is by far not the only country with such (intentional) loopholes in the laws, it's just the most commonly used. But yeah, clearly because you personally cannot avoid paying taxes on your million or so of (presumably wage) income, that means it must be impossible,
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The average commute time in th United States is 26 minutes one way. Yes, there are plenty of exceptions, but the fact is that an EV would be suitable vehicle for most Americans. Not all, but most.
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