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Israel Aims To Ban Gasoline, Diesel Vehicles By 2030 (cleantechnica.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from CleanTechnica: 2030 seems like a long way off, but it's really just around the corner. And when the bell tolls at midnight on December 31, 2030, you may not be able to buy a gasoline- or diesel-powered vehicle in Israel. After that date, all passenger cars will be electric and all trucks will be powered by electricity or compressed natural gas, if a proposal currently under consideration gets approved by the government. A final decision is expected by the end of this year. Energy Minister Yuval Steinitz [told Reuters last month] the biggest challenge will be creating a "critical mass" of electric and CNG powered vehicles before the deadline arrives. "We are already encouraging [the transition] by funding ... more than 2,000 new charging stations around the country," he says. The plan was set in motion one day after the United Nations issued its latest climate assessment that finds nations must do far more than they are currently doing in order to stave off warmer global average temperatures that will put the environment at risk. In order to reach the goal, the Israeli government will "reduce taxation on electric cars to almost zero, so they are going to be much cheaper," Energy Minister Yuval Steinitz said. He expects there will be about 177,000 electric cars on Israeli roads around 2025. By 2030, the expectation is that there will be nearly 1.5 million EVs in the country. The country has a ways to go though, as there are less than 100 electric cars on the roads today.
Fossil fuels were put in the ground by Satan to confuse innocent God-fearing creationists. Emissions such as sulfur dioxide are harmful to humans because they originate from Hell. Global warming is actually a plot by Satan to terraform Earth to more resemble his domain. /s
Corruption is convincing someone that the selfless ideal is the same as their selfish ideal.
Way to stick it to the Saudis and Iranians. Be on the forefront of making their primary product worthless while helping your own environment...
The interesting point will be when the filling stations are mostly all electric charging stations, and driving your vintage car across the country gets to be pretty challenging.
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Doesn't necessarily require the renewables / nuclear first. If you have more and more EVs on your network they act as storage capacity. Combine with smart meters and you can use EVs for load shedding vs dumping to heat. Even if you don't ever recover any energy from the evs increasing or decreasing charge rates will allow you to stabilise the network.
Once you have that stabilisation effect in place you can increase your % of renewables.
Shocking story but powertrains in vehicles fail to. And most EVs seem to have warranties on batteries of 10 years
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If they can't afford to get to work, who's going to clean toilets and flip burgers? Will toilets go uncleaned and burgers unflipped, or will employers be forced to pay more for low wage jobs?
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Israel has about a third the rate of car ownership of the USA. I can see that the 'poor', and even the middle-class, might find the cost of a private vehicle becomes uneconomic. Maybe. It's an interesting thought.
And, BTW, what is going on in San Marino? With its land area, pretty everywhere appears to be within walking distance, and yet there's 1.3 cars per person!
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Israel is small enough that current EVs should be able to go border-to-border on a single charge. Given that range anxiety is one of the major reasons why people don't want EVs, it seems a small country can convert much more easily.
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Not pure EVs but I've got two 12 year old hybrid vehicles (2006 Toyota Highlander Hybrid and 2006 Lexus RX400H) and their batteries are still going strong. And these are practically first generation electric hybrids so you'd think the batteries have gotten better since then.
The elephant in the room with EVs is that they become economically unfeasible to keep on the road once the battery pack sufficiently degrades.
Bullcrap. The first Prius went on sale in 1997, and many of them have more than 300k miles. They are mostly still running fine.
One second-gen Prius I was familiar with made it upwards of 200k. What finally did it in was the piston rings. Considering what it was supposed to represent, death by burning oil is kind of ironic. Can't really complain about the service lifetime, though. I would not be the least bit surprised if the battery pack and drive train were sold before they even got it back to the scrapyard. The Prius uses a very conservative power cycle range, because the batteries were still a bit of an unknown in practice. It turns out the batteries were as good as claimed or slightly better, and Toyota's over-engineering means they'll live decades.
How is the Riemann zeta function like Trump rallies? Both have an endless number of trivial zeros.
Shocking story but powertrains in vehicles fail to. And most EVs seem to have warranties on batteries of 10 years
10 years seems like a good long warranty until you realize the average car on the road in the USA is already older than that. The average age of a vehicle in the USA is 11.6 years (yes, I realize TFA is about Israel).
Yes, the engine/transmission in an I.C. vehicle can crap out, but there's a lot of cheap(ish) ways to get a broken I.C. car back on the road.
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You should look at the Leaf if you want to know how not to cool a battery pack.
Nissan Leafs have air cooled battery packs rather than liquid cooled and that's why their lifespan has been relatively short. Teslas and even Chevy Volts have much more sophisticated cooling systems and degradation so far is almost non-existant.
In fact a 2011 Chevy Volt had racked up over 450,000 miles as of this last Summer with no noticeable degradation of battery life.
Israeli law requires employers to pay travel expenses to and from the job site.
Israel charges 150% tax on personal automobiles. Reducing this tax to (near) zero for CNG and EVs will make them cheaper than most new cars currently on the road.
Bullshit!
CO2 emissions are lower for EVs that are charged using power generated using natural gas than ICE vehicles power by gasoline.
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
It is only cheaper than Suez because the Egyptians charge exorbitant transit fees. An oil tanker pays a transit fee of about $400k.
Ev cars are full everytime you get in them in the morning.
Theres no getting in the car with the fuel light on. For most people and most usage cases a daily range of 450km is more than enough. It doesnt really matter if it takes 6 hrs to charge if youre asleep.
The only time charge time matters is when you exceed 450km in a day.
You would also get a choice. Cheaper power to allow car to be storage or more expensive for not. Same options as ive got for hotwater systems and aircon
All you're doing is shifting the CO2 emissions from the tailpipe to the smokestack.
Think about that "all" for a bit. Also the "CO2" in front of "emissions".
You get to shift 100% of tailpipe emissions of all types, not just CO2, out of city centres and suburbs to large scale powerplants that can run at maximum efficiency with much more effective scrubbers. That's a set of major gains right there.
I wanted to see someone from outside the system take the reins for a while and shake things up.
How's that going? Is the swamp drained yet?
No sig today...
Electric vehicles are 4 to 5 times as efficient as internal combustion engines.
So shifting from gasoline cars to coal powered power plants saves minimum 50% of the fuel (coal powered plants are only ~42% efficient, cars are below 20%)
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As someone who lives in Israel I can confirm, car ownership is more of an upper middle class family thing.
A monthly pass for public transportation in the local metropolitan area costs about $80, half that if you're a student or senior citizen.
And you'd probably get on the bus you need within 15 minutes if you're in a city.
after a few 100K in a car, where they drop to maybe 80%-90% capacity, they get to be re-used as grid storage where they sit a few decades after which they get recycled.
From https://www.theguardian.com/fo...: (with a nice infographic :) )
For every 100km travelled in a petrol car ... ... it takes 26 megajoules to get petrol out of the ground and transport it to the car ... ... and the car itself uses 142 megajoules to move itself around.
For the same distance in an electric car, using electricity generated in an oil-fired power plant ... it takes 74 megajoules to generate and transport the electricity to the car ... ... which then uses just 38 megajoules to move itself and its passengers
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Passenger car diesel engines have energy efficiency of up to 41% but more typically 30%, and petrol engines of up to 37.3%, but more typically 20%
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Gasoline engines effectively use only 15% of the fuel energy content to move the vehicle or to power accessories, and diesel engines can reach on-board efficiency of 20%, while electric vehicles have on-board efficiency of over 90%, when counted against stored chemical energy, or around 80%, when counted against required energy to recharge
And finally, from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...:
Typical thermal efficiency for utility-scale electrical generators is around 37% for coal and oil-fired plants[4], and 56 – 60% (LEV) for combined-cycle gas-fired plants.
I couldn't find good statistics on energy costs of mining and transporting coal, pumping up and refining oil, and pumping up gas but I'm sure they're on the wiki somewhere :). Also, no idea of the energy cost of assembling the batteries vs an ICE but I would assume over the total lifetime of the car it should be negligible.
In any case, the most "optimistic" comparison (from the EV point of view) it gets total fossil-to-wheels efficiency of .6*.8=48%. The most pessimistic is .37*.8=30%. The former figure is lower than total ICE efficiency, while the latter figure is comparable. The statistics from the Guardian link above (which have the ICE use 3.7 times the energy per distance traveled) seems to be close to the 20% vs 80% comparison.
All in all, there does seem evidence for assuming that an EV will get better total energy efficiency, but it will be more like 1.5-2x as efficiency and not an order of magnitude better. Of course, an EV fleet gives better options for generating power - ICEs can only use fossil fuels or biofuels (which are problematic in many cases), while EVs can use anything that generates electricity. Especially solar seems a good idea for Israel.
Theres no getting in the car with the fuel light on. For most people and most usage cases a daily range of 450km is more than enough. It doesnt really matter if it takes 6 hrs to charge if youre asleep.
The only time charge time matters is when you exceed 450km in a day.
Also remember this article is about Israel. Haifa to Eilat is 450km, and there's pretty much nothing longer you could drive. Any two places excluding the Negev desert you can do round trip, including e.g. Haifa to Beersheba. The borders to Lebanon and Syria are closed. Theoretically you can drive to Jordan and Egypt, but almost no one ever does. So, while in the US 300 miles might not be all one ever drives in a day, in Israel I'm pretty sure it covers most use cases :)
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Toyota now gives a lifetime warranty on the Prius batteries, even on my old car (they upgraded the warranty). They would never do that if it would cost them real money.
As for my car : my batteries are now a decade old, the car is parked outside in winter and when skiing, as well as in summer. There is no noticeable degradation of the batteries.
The whole fear of battery degradation is overblown.
Nobody who can actually afford an accountant would be stupid enough to ask that question.
You're seriously claiming that legal tax-evasion via tax-havens is not a thing? Are you living under a rock? Sure, if you make all your income as a salary from a corporation, then reducing taxes on that is difficult, If you however own a corporation tax-evasion becomes easier the larger that corporation is. I mean, what do you think is the reason for basically all major multinational companies owning subsidiaries in the Caymans or other small nations with low taxes? Why do you think it is that basically all megacorps have a lower effective tax-rate on their billions of profit than you do as a employee making a million if creative accounting doesn't exist?
The way the game works when you get to the big-league depends a bit on where you're located and what you're selling but the basic idea is pretty simple and same everywhere: you setup a couple of companies, one in whichever country you're conducting business in (company A), another in a country with suitably lax tax-laws (company B). You then for example make sure that the licensing rights of the software or whatever it is that you're selling are held by the company in the tax-haven. You then do some math and figure out that after operating expenses and salaries and all, the profit of your actual company (company A) is say 100 million. Okay, you don't want to pay taxes on all of that. Well great, you just make a contractual arrangement so that company A has to pay licensing fees to company B to the tune of say, 95 million, and suddenly the profit of company A goes down to 5 million, and the 95 million gets moved to your tax-haven company that pays next to no tax on it.
Variations of this model are so common it's basically a public secret. It's how Apple & al have been dodging billions in taxes for years now. The most common of these arrangements used by US corporations especially to shield around a hundred billion from american taxation a year was known as the Double Irish that used to be combined with what the accountants call a Dutch sandwhich. Basically using Irish and Dutch tax and IP law to move massive amounts of profits from the EU to Bermuda and other tax-havens.
These schemes were forced to be closed by the European Union (American officials and government seemed not to care one bit even though the existence and use of these schemes was known for decades and even though it cost the US a lot in lost tax-revenue.) in 2014. However, Ireland, not wanting to lose all the corporate business especially on the IT-side that this loophole had brought them basically just re-instated the loophole (now known as the 'single malt' arrangement and used by for example Microsoft and probably Facebook) with slightly changed wording and application, but it's essentially still there and still used.
Hell, there's an entire wiki article on Ireland as a tax-haven, which states at the very beginning:
And Ireland is by far not the only country with such (intentional) loopholes in the laws, it's just the most commonly used. But yeah, clearly because you personally cannot avoid paying taxes on your million or so of (presumably wage) income, that means it must be impossible,
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Because you can't spell war without bomb. (In Hebrew.)
If you think about it, Israel is the perfect country to go all electric. Small enough that you can drive the entire country in one charge. Best of all, none of your neighbors like you so you don't have to worry about taking a road trip to neighboring areas. It's like the US, but on a smaller scale.
Noting that the longest possible journey you can make in Israel (I just checked on Goggle maps) is from say Eilat on the Red Sea to Mount Hermon in the Golan Heights. It comes in at 540km which avoids the West Bank. I can't imagine that many people in Israel make that journey very often, and it's a 6.5 hour trip so there is going to be some comfort and food breaks in there which will get you over the capacity limit. So unless you like driving around in circles current EV's are more than adequate for Israel which is a fairly small country.
Note I am assuming that the opportunity to take a trip outside Israel in a car are somewhat limited due to the geopolitical situation and as such can be discounted.
Pretty trivial to solve tbh. If its a smart meter for an ev then having it charge to 75% and then go into storage mode would be simple. That gives you a min range level. (Configurable ofcourse)
As for charging at night vs day you would nornally do a mix of renewables with a base load generator. Solar will be offline at night but wind wont be, and power demand is a lower at night as well meaning smaller changes in supply have bigger effects.
During the day there will still be a % of evs connected to the network. Either those ar home or those on work charging systems.
It should also be worth considering that an EV's power train should be significantly less complicated than that of an ICE vehicle. Less complicated/less moving parts = easier and less costly to maintain. It can also result in a smaller footprint necessary for the vehicle, although most people seem to have a thing against vehicles that don't have the same form factor as traditional cars.
The average commute time in th United States is 26 minutes one way. Yes, there are plenty of exceptions, but the fact is that an EV would be suitable vehicle for most Americans. Not all, but most.
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All you're doing is shifting the CO2 emissions from the tailpipe to the smokestack.
Think about that "all" for a bit. Also the "CO2" in front of "emissions". You get to shift 100% of tailpipe emissions of all types, not just CO2, out of city centres and suburbs to large scale powerplants that can run at maximum efficiency with much more effective scrubbers. That's a set of major gains right there.
... and then you can swap out that set of large scale fossil fuel burning power plant for something with a much lower carbon footprint and enjoy an even large set of major gains.
I wanted to see someone from outside the system take the reins for a while and shake things up.
How's that going? Is the swamp drained yet?
Yup, he drained it straight into his administration. One of Trump's greatest achievements.
I am a EE and I also have a JD ( law degree, patent law ) and I voted for Trump. Not all who voted for Trump were idiots,
True. Some were merely morally corrupt shitbags who figured he'd make them richer, and who didn't give a crap anyone anyone but themselves. Every single person who decided to support Trump is also supporting racism and rape, and there's literally no way around that simple fact.
I voted for Trump because I wanted to see someone from outside the system take the reins for a while and shake things up.
And it was okay with you if they were a racist rapist who even before they became president cost the USA millions of dollars in court costs through deliberately manipulative and fraudulent business practices.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Best of all, none of your neighbors like you
Tell that to our neighbors who're so desperate to come here; apparently they didn't get your memo.
by good fortune you mean hard work? Ofc there is always an element of fortune but that is useless if no work has been done.
The strongest correlator to financial success is who your parents are and what their social status is. It has little to nothing to do with hard work. If hard work were the best predictor of success then the world would be dominated by single mothers, maintenance workers, and jizz moppers.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"