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SpaceX Wins FCC Approval To Deploy 7,518 Satellites (bloomberg.com)

SpaceX won permission to deploy more than 7,000 satellites, far more than all operating spacecraft currently aloft, from U.S. regulators who also moved to reduce a growing risk from space debris as skies grow more crowded. From a report: Space Exploration Technologies has two test satellites aloft, and it earlier won permission for a separate set of 4,425 satellites -- which like the 7,518 satellites authorized Thursday are designed to provide broadband communications. It has said it plans to begin launches next year. Space companies riding innovations that include smaller and cheaper satellites -- with some just 4 inches long and weighing only 3 pounds -- are planning fleets that will fly fast and low, offering communications now commonly handled by larger, more expensive satellites. Right now there are fewer than 2,000 operating satellites, and the planned additional space traffic demands vigilance, Federal Communications Commission Chairman Ajit Pai said before the agency voted Thursday on a variety of space-related matters including SpaceX's application, debris rules, and other space matters.

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  1. Sure by rmdingler · · Score: 2

    It's Interesting that the approval by a bureaucratic agency in a single nation is all that's required to make significant use of the finite orbit of all the World.

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    1. Re:Sure by bobbied · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's Interesting that the approval by a bureaucratic agency in a single nation is all that's required to make significant use of the finite orbit of all the World.

      Actually, the FCC is simply approving the frequencies the satellites use while over US territory. They don't care about how many satellites or what orbits these satellites use. They will require additional approvals from the governments from other countries to operate over their territory.

      This is basically a green light for frequency coordination, that Space X has the right to transmit from space on a set of frequencies, while flying over the USA.

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    2. Re:Sure by mangastudent · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The FCC is also the treaty designated US government regulatory body that makes sure the satellites won't cause other troubles. See for example this story of a company that didn't listen to the FCC's no and went to India. Last I checked, it wasn't going well for their future plans.

    3. Re:Sure by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 2

      It's Interesting that the approval by a bureaucratic agency in a single nation is all that's required to make significant use of the finite orbit of all the World.

      That's not even what they're approving. The US FCC is approving SpaceX's use of the radio spectrum by their satellites. The actual physical use of the orbital slots are very much secondary. Until the SpaceX constellation, that part was pretty much pro forma. This is the first time when paying attention to the paragraph about deorbit plans actually matters.

      Incidentally, SpaceX will have to get approval from every country's FCC-equivalent if they want to provide service there.

    4. Re:Sure by lgw · · Score: 2

      GEO is effectively two dimensional. Everything passes through the equator, so you can't have two sats at the same longitude.

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  2. Re:America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    FCC owns the radio frequency available above US ground. Those satellites will use those frequencies to communicate with ground. They are approving those.

  3. Tragedy of the commons by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    America doesn't own space. What right do they have to give permission anyway? Space belongs to all of us.

    We regulate access to common spaces so idiots like you don't ruin it for everyone else. Please go study the concept of tragedy of the commons. You want to launch a rocket from US territory? Then the US government is going to have a few questions on the behalf of the citizens of the US. You can launch from somewhere else if you have the means but don't be surprised when other governments have similar questions.

    I mean "USians" of course, not America, because America is a continent, not a country.

    Please recall what the "A" in USA stands for. You see any other countries with that word in the name of their country? Were you confused at all about what someone is saying when they say "American"? No you were not so take your trolling elsewhere.

  4. Re:The thing is... by Rei · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's all about probabilities. The satellites all have to have a mechanism to deorbit them at end-of-life. So if you can get some given estimate of reliability out of the satellites remaining operational through deorbit and the deorbit function working, you can estimate the number of failures you will have, and model the significance of these failures (including how errors in your reliability estimates might affect the outcomes).

    Smaller satellites means less potential for debris in the case of a collision, and faster natural deorbit times. For a satellite, the crosssection of thermosphere/exosphere that they pass through is proportional to their radius squared, but their mass is proportional to their radius cubed, so the smaller you make a satellite, the quicker it tends to reenter. Just the fact that we're talking LEO satellites makes any failure modes less significant; GEO failures are more problematic, as the debris persists for much longer, orbits are much more shared, and it's much harder to track GEO debris.

    The most recent 7518 satellites are going to be particularly short-lived without reboost, orbiting at only 340km. That's quite close; they're going to need very frequent reboosts. Without reboosts I'd expect them to reenter after only 1-3 months. Remember that ISS (~330km) needs reboosts several times per year, and that's obviously a far higher kg/m^2 object than a Starlink satellite.

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  5. Broadband for all by mirthful1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This Starlink super-constellation has a real opportunity to disrupt the current broadband market in the US in a big way; not to mention the world. Broadband _anywhere_; at sea, in the air, rural areas, extreme areas... put up your antenna and you're good to go. Excited to see what the bandwidth and pricing look like. I hear "5g like speed" and "inexpensive". But we'll s ee. Also, I wonder if this project (and others with similar goals) explain some of the incredible slow-walking of rural broadband initiatives. Perhaps it's one of those "Why spend millions digging trenches and laying wire to get folks onboard when this kind of thing is just around the corner". Sucks to be in a rural area with maybe just shoddy DSL... but maybe the worm has turned here.

  6. Current number of ALL satellites in orbit is by melted · · Score: 4, Informative

    Current number of ALL satellites in orbit is 4857, BTW, and the number of _working_ ones is less than half of that.
    Just so you know the scale of what they're trying to do here.

    1. Re: Current number of ALL satellites in orbit is by melted · · Score: 2

      These will be LEO satellites to maintain low latency, constantly boosted back into their orbits and replaced when they run out of fuel.

  7. Re:The thing is... by Penguinisto · · Score: 2

    Is it not too much... I mean 7000+ satellites over the US?

    Unless they're all geosynchronous, I suspect that they'll be orbiting the entire planet. ;)

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  8. Fascism? by sjbe · · Score: 2

    How did we get into the state of Fascism so advanced, a private enterprise needs government's permission to offer services to other private enterprises?

    If you think this is fascism, you have NO idea what that word means.

    Anyway the answer to your idiotic question is in the Constitution, specifically the bits about interstate commerce. When those services involved common spaces of finite quantity (like radio frequencies) you need an independent regulator to make sure the Tragedy of the Commons does not occur. We codified this into the Constitution precisely for circumstances like this.

    Being a private enterprise doesn't mean you get to do anything you want without limitation regardless of the impact on your fellow citizens.

  9. Re:WTF does it need PERMISSION?! by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 3, Funny

    That's right: any attempt to regulate the radio spectrum is FASCIST!!!1!!!

    The only way to manage radio transmissions that without enslaving Free Citizens is a free-for-all. Let the man with the biggest amplifier and the biggest dish win; any attempt to keep him down is tyranny.

  10. Re:How many launches will this take? by joh · · Score: 2

    They will launch up to 20 or 25 sats per launch. So a few hundred launches. But yes, it will be many launches. The thing is that SpaceX is right now the only company who could do that: With the first stage being reusable at least 10 times, they will need to build only about 30 or 40 of them. With all other launchers the launch costs alone would be prohibitive.

    But sure, it's a fucking big project on an altogether new scale. It can easily break SpaceX. Or earn them enough money to build their Mars spacecraft.

  11. Re:The thing is... by haruchai · · Score: 2

    Is it not too much... I mean 7000+ satellites over the US?

    Unless they're all geosynchronous, I suspect that they'll be orbiting the entire planet. ;)

    Most of them will be flying around 350 km so not geosync (36000 km)

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  12. 3 wishes by nospam007 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Elon Musk drove with his golden Tesla to the sea to do some diving.
    He donned his golden air bottle and his golden diving mask and went for a dive.
    In the deep waters he detected a bottle with a golden cap. He took it and swam back to land.

    After opening the bottle a genie appeared. 'Thanks a lot for rescuing me, I was down there for centuries!'
    Musk replied: 'Glad to help' and began preparing to dive again.

    The genie said: 'What about the 3 wishes?'
    Musk sighed and asked.'What do you need?'