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Bill Godbout, Early S-100 Bus Pioneer, Perished In the Camp Wildfire (vcfed.org)

evanak writes: Bill Godbout was one of the earliest and most influential supports of the S-100 bus in the mid-1970s. He passed away last week due to the Camp wildfire in Concow, California, according to a Vintage Computer Federation blog post. More than 50 other people also died in the fires, but chances are Mr. Godbout was the only one with a license to fly blimps. "Godbout was born October 2, 1939," the blog post reads. "He talked about his introduction to computing in an interview with InfoWorld magazine for their February 18, 1980 issue. 'My first job out of college was with IBM. I served a big-system apprenticeship there, but I think the thing that really triggered [my interest] was the introduction of the 8008 by Intel,' he said. 'I was fascinated that you could have that kind of capability in a little 18-pin package.'"

Godbout's family has set up a GoFundMe campaign to support their needs in this difficult time.

124 comments

  1. Donate... but carefully! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    By all means, donate what you can to help the CA fire victims. Most donation centers are now saying they have enough of many supplies (clothing, etc, are just piling up), and they mostly need money now, which can be converted into whatever the most urgent local needs are.

    However, be careful: there have been a number of "disaster scammers" setting up fake donation sites and absconding with the money. So donate via reputable organizations, or do your due diligence to verify what you are donating to.

    But do donate! A whole city was wiped off the map. 71 confirmed deaths so far, with over 1000 missing and many of the missing being elderly people who could not quickly evac and probably burned to death. Firefighters are finding charred remains huddled in cars. Tens of thousands have lost their homes, their pets, and the very fabric of their lives.

    It's really bad. So go donate. Just use some common sense in the process.

    1. Re:Donate... but carefully! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm done donating. If the Federal government (and many State governments as well) refuse to accept Climate Change because it would be financially inconvenient for their donors, well the Feds can pick up the tabs for each of these disasters. Let them pay for the Harveys, and the Michaels and the Camp Fires and the dozens of other disasters that will be coming down the pike in the not so distant future.

      I used to donate time and money. No more. They own this now.

    2. Re: Donate... but carefully! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      You're about as smart as your smart quotes.

    3. Re:Donate... but carefully! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Has more to do with shitty forest management over the past 40 years than climate change

    4. Re:Donate... but carefully! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Where do you think the Feds get their money genius?

    5. Re:Donate... but carefully! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From issuing debt. They certainly don't have enough revenue to cover their expenses. Not by a long shot. Just add a few more hundred billion to the pile.

    6. Re: Donate... but carefully! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      savage!

    7. Re:Donate... but carefully! by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      There has been shitty forest management and it is in part responsible for California's wildfire problem. However, Trump blaming the California state government is disingenuous at best. The biggest practicer of bad forest management in California is the federal government. They supervise most of the forests in California.

    8. Re:Donate... but carefully! by Megane · · Score: 0

      But we have to preserve the "natural state" of the forest by stopping those pesky natural fires that happen all the time! Also, backfires and controlled burns are scaaaaaaary!

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    9. Re: Donate... but carefully! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, the experts in the matter, the CA firefighters, completely disagree and have stated so publicly.

      It continues to amaze me how some people can continue to spout politically biased crap long after it has been shown by experts to be false.

    10. Re:Donate... but carefully! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know you're angry, but you're also spot-on. That's exactly what happened.
      This is Forest Management 101. If you don't do controlled burns, etc., this is
      the sad result. Same thing happened (some time ago, forget exactly when) with
      Oakland, CA. A file ran right up a hill (though not as deadly as this) and took
      a few neighborhoods with it. As abrasive as Trump was, he was correct.

      CAP === 'organist'

    11. Re: Donate... but carefully! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, it's pretty bad when you have to run somebody's
      comment through Google translate to decode it (and, I
      even selected the iApple language in the drop-down) ... ... and it gets rejected.

      CAP === 'diopter'

    12. Re: Donate... but carefully! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They probably need supplies that are specific to burn victims, such as inhalers for people with respiratory illnesses and burn gel for people with injuries. Can someone please explain why we've lost faith in the value of monetary donations?

    13. Re:Donate... but carefully! by Shaiku · · Score: 1

      You are simply misinformed. While forest management is a contentious issue in California it did not play a significant role in the Tubbs fire that wiped out part of Santa Rosa or the Camp Fire that erased Paradise.

      Years of drought, 200 days since the last rain, hurricane force winds, and improper brush clearing by PG&E around power lines are all significant factors in these fires.

      The only kind of management you could do is remove the forests entirely and replace them with sand or concrete. The forest management strategy of the early 20th century was in error and was long-since corrected. These fires are not the result of too much accumulated brush because fires weren't allowed to burn half a century ago.

  2. Re:RIP but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    He actually do be having a wikipedia page tho

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Godbout

  3. Re: RIP but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So evil and in more ways than we have seen. You could always just abandon the rest of those households. I canâ(TM)t wait for the directors cut

  4. A rock star of the Microcomputer Revolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Godbout dates from the wild west days of personal computers. It was a bottom up phenomenon, driven by legions of hackers who passed knowledge through users groups, 73 Magazine, self-published mimeographed "books". In the early days, a 300 baud modem and a real keyboard were a dream. An old Model 33 ASR TTY meant you had hit the "big time". Corporate American hadn't a clue. The personal microcomputer revolution happened under the radar in garages, basements, and bedrooms. Godbout was there front and center, and anyone who was there in those days knows him, or about him, or did business with him.

    Rest in peace, old timer.

    1. Re:A rock star of the Microcomputer Revolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The personal microcomputer revolution happened under the radar in garages, basements, and bedrooms.

      ... which is the only reason there is even a faint echo of computing freedom left. And that echo is rapidly being stamped out as corporations grab control, and ignorant people happily go along.

      The conditions for a technology revolution that (tried) to empower the home computer operator are not likely to ever happen again. We'll wrap a ring -1 around anything with a faint smell of freedom and give that ring -1 to Google or Apple.

      It's never going to happen again, and we squandered the one chance we had.

    2. Re:A rock star of the Microcomputer Revolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We didn't squander it. We enjoyed it while we could.

      It's not like geeks could have done something different to prevent the corporate takeover.

      This is just what people do.

    3. Re:A rock star of the Microcomputer Revolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So sad to hear about Bill.
      I just went into my back room, to my Altair, just to look at my 8K memory boards I bought from him back around '76.
      (Turns out I left one of my power supplies on. It must have been powering part of that Altair for the last 15 years without
      me knowing it.)

    4. Re: A rock star of the Microcomputer Revolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is easier to imagine the end of the world than to imagine a world controlled by anything other than rapacious capitalism.

    5. Re:A rock star of the Microcomputer Revolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh Yeah...
      and my "Son of a Cheap Clock" is still running 40 years later too!

    6. Re:A rock star of the Microcomputer Revolution by mikael · · Score: 2

      The problem is the hardware is so complex now. All that logic in CPU's,GPU's, bus protocols, is usually patented protected, cross-licensed, NDA, DRM and DMCA restricted, Sometimes the driver code is actually used to prevent combinations of hardware settings that work but aren't licensed, aren't in the specification or are going to be patented in future. It takes teams of 200+ developers to get all the device driver software for a GPU: Windows/Android/Linux window system support + actual hardware.

      Linux is the last option left now.

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  5. Very Sad News. by eastjesus · · Score: 5, Informative

    I remember spending many a pleasant Saturday out at the electronic junk store at the Oakland Airport back in the early 1970's where Bill worked. I can't think of the name of the place at the moment but I'm sure it will all come back later tonight for surely I'll be remembering him and his personal contributions to my life. I remember helping him sort and test parts in between spending hours perusing all of the amazing things there. Bill could explain it all and he was on top of everything going on in the industry back then and I learned much from him. He handed me the first microprocessor that I ever held in my hands. Sometimes he had rejects from the new companies down the road and he would come up with things to do with them anyway. Later he went on to design many things and had success at S100 memory boards but I had gone in other directions and never saw him again. So sad to hear this news. I've often wondered where he ended up. He was one of the people instrumental in making the better parts of the world what they are today. RIP.

    1. Re:Very Sad News. by HotNeedleOfInquiry · · Score: 4, Informative

      Mike Quinn's. I worked out on Edgewater Drive off of Heganburger and took Doolittle Drive home to my studio apartment in Alameda. I would swing by Mike Quinn's several times a week. I remember Bill, Vinnie, Mike, and Jay. Those were great times. Mike Quinn died many years ago. The store moved out near San Leandro, and closed a few years ago. I miss them all.

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    2. Re:Very Sad News. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do not feed the bear!

    3. Re:Very Sad News. by eastjesus · · Score: 2

      Quintronics! Yes! The best of times in that smoky shack of a store with Mike (in his hat) dealing and Bill showing the ways!

    4. Re:Very Sad News. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember when they were closing - in the early 90's IIRC and frantically buying boxes of components by the pound with what little money I had at the time.

  6. DIDNT COME from a CAMP FIRE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It came from PGE DEFECT powerline

    stop saying CAMP FIRE

    1. Re:DIDNT COME from a CAMP FIRE by myid · · Score: 1

      Re. the fire's name:

      Butte County's deadly Camp Fire was named after Camp Creek Road, the location where the fire started.

      Wildfires are often named after their places of origin. For example, last year's deadly Tubbs Fire was named after Tubbs Lane in Santa Rosa.

  7. Re:RIP but... by hey! · · Score: 1

    Depends on how old you were. S100 was a big deal back in the 70s.

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  8. One of the true Open Source Founders by mykepredko · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I only talked to Bill through mail when I was in University - I was building an S-100 Z-80 CPM system and needed some suggestions on how to architect the video driver. Bill pointed me to some reference drawings on the MOT 6845 (same as the original IBM PC) that I could use along with providing me with some software to go with it. The only thing he asked of me was that I pass along the information to anybody who asked.

    We lost touch after I got my system working and I always wondered what happened to him.

    RIP. He showed me the value of Open Source.

    1. Re:One of the true Open Source Founders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I only talked to Bill through mail when I was in University - I was building an S-100 Z-80 CPM system and needed some suggestions on how to architect the video driver. Bill pointed me to some reference drawings on the MOT 6845 (same as the original IBM PC) that I could use along with providing me with some software to go with it. The only thing he asked of me was that I pass along the information to anybody who asked.

      We lost touch after I got my system working and I always wondered what happened to him.

      RIP. He showed me the value of Open Source.

      I am Bills daughter in law, and the whole family appreciates you taking the time to post some kind words. You were lucky to have had Bill touch your life in some way, everybody who met him were better for it, he will be missed greatly. I thank you again for your taking the time to acknowledge a great man, Bill Godbout R.I.P

    2. Re:One of the true Open Source Founders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I only talked to Bill through mail when I was in University - I was building an S-100 Z-80 CPM system and needed some suggestions on how to architect the video driver. Bill pointed me to some reference drawings on the MOT 6845 (same as the original IBM PC) that I could use along with providing me with some software to go with it. The only thing he asked of me was that I pass along the information to anybody who asked.

      We lost touch after I got my system working and I always wondered what happened to him.

      RIP. He showed me the value of Open Source.

      I am Bills daughter in law, and the whole family appreciates you taking the time to post some kind words. You were lucky to have had Bill touch your life in some way, everybody who met him were better for it, he will be missed greatly. I thank you again for your taking the time to acknowledge a great man, Bill Godbout R.I.P

      WIth respect for the fact that I really have no idea what you believe or do not believe ... I personally do believe in a Creator and in that spirit I say, God Bless you both. If you don't share my belief then I hope you have good fortune and find whatever it is that you are looking for in this life. In any case I wish you well and I offer condolences for your great loss of such a wonderful person.

  9. You live in the richest country ever.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .... but donations required!

    1. Re: You live in the richest country ever.... by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Rich countries get that way by allowing successful people to keep and reinvest their earnings. Places where all the wealth is drained off to 'the people' always end in failure. A recent example is Venezuela.

    2. Re: You live in the richest country ever.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      21.7 trillion reasons to be wrong. Hahaha

    3. Re: You live in the richest country ever.... by lgw · · Score: 1

      Nevertheless, America give more to charity per capita than anyone else. Successful people may also enjoy charity, and the evidence is that they do.

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    4. Re: You live in the richest country ever.... by dryeo · · Score: 1

      How much does the American government owe? How about the various State governments?
      Every tax cut that involves borrowing more money is a subsidy to the people and industries of the country, which is one of the reasons behind the success of America, debt.
      The main difference between America and Venezuela is that America has the petrol dollar and being the current main reserve currency which allows them to spread the inflation caused by printing money over most of the worlds population, while Venezuela is just a regular corrupt country which can't just keep printing money.

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  10. RIP & HCF by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

    Nuff said.

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    1. Re:RIP & HCF by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      The HCF reference outs you as an old-timer.

      And my saying that outs me as an old-timer.

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    2. Re:RIP & HCF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And for the rest of us, what is HCF?

    3. Re:RIP & HCF by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Informative

      It’s a legendary assembly-language instruction - Halt and Catch Fire.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...

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    4. Re:RIP & HCF by BlacKSacrificE · · Score: 1

      Halt and Catch Fire. I'll leave it up to you to google the rest.

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    5. Re:RIP & HCF by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I've been looking for real word examples of an HCF. So far the two I've come up with are certain old video screens that could accept a signal which would concentrate the beam on a single spot, and some IBM chain printers that apparently could start a fire if there was a paper jam and they didn't stop.

      I imagine some industrial systems could go boom if not shut down properly, but I'm thinking of stuff that wasn't considered in the design but which could happen with a single (or very few) bad instructions.

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    6. Re:RIP & HCF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A TV Show !!!!!

  11. Thanks, climate change! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All these innocent lives lost to climate change and STILL, Trump does nothing about it!

    1. Re:Thanks, climate change! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the contrary; he's doing everything he can to hasten it.

  12. Why did so many people die in this fire? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Did the authorities screw up and not tell people to leave? Did people not leave? Were people unable to leave?

    The stories all cover the amount of people dead or missing, but there seems to be no coverage as to the why.

    1. Re: Why did so many people die in this fire? by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They weren't culling deadwood and managing the forest around their town. All the dead wood and brush is/was a tinder box waiting to flame up. That said, burn offs are completely natural and part of the cycle of life for woodlands.

    2. Re:Why did so many people die in this fire? by sunking2 · · Score: 1

      Fire don't slow down when the roads get congested and grind to a halt.

    3. Re:Why did so many people die in this fire? by gman003 · · Score: 5, Informative

      The fire moved *extremely* quickly. Winds up to 50mph (80km/h), and it's been a very dry summer and fall so things caught fire fast. 20,000 acres were ablaze within twelve hours, and it only spread from there.

      AFAICT most of the casualties so far were people caught in their cars while evacuating. Lots of people got encircled by fire, no way out but through. Others were trapped in traffic and the fire caught up.

      (As usual, you should ignore Trump's attempts to somehow blame this on Democrats, saying they weren't "managing" the forests properly. This is both incorrect - better forestry would at best have slowed the fire's spread by a small amount - and improper - most of the forests affected are on federal land. Weather conditions were so ripe for a wildfire that the power company considered shutting off power, since wind blowing down power lines can ignite fires. This wasn't done (shutting power off is itself dangerous to the public), and a downed power line is now the primary suspect for the immediate cause of the fire.)

    4. Re:Why did so many people die in this fire? by mermeid007 · · Score: 1

      If you say so. I figured it started from a small campfire or a small housefire. If you're implying that something much bigger happened and you can back it up, I'll believe you. All the police reports are available in multiple locations. Unless someone is hiding something or just sending out bullshit info you should be able to make a case.

    5. Re: Why did so many people die in this fire? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They did tell everyone to leave!!

      The fire spread at an acre per second!! Try to out run that!!!

    6. Re:Why did so many people die in this fire? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      It has been in the news all week. Check the business page for news about the PG&E stock price.

    7. Re:Why did so many people die in this fire? by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      They say Paradise burned in 36 minutes. The fire was moving as fast as 80 MPH. There were only 3 roads out of town, all of which were so clogged that many people gave up, got out of their cars and ran for it on foot. And most of the dead were elderly who take a longer time to evacuate due to their mobility issues.
       

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    8. Re: Why did so many people die in this fire? by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      Name another year in recorded history where there was zero rain in Paradise into November. Burn offs are completely natural... in the summer, but in a typical year they've had about 8 inches of rain already by November.

      Forest management could certainly be better, the national forest service needs to improve. Might help if any significant fraction of California's forests were under state control instead of ruled from 3000 miles away. But they do prescribed burns every spring to try to clear out brush, I can smell them.

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    9. Re: Why did so many people die in this fire? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Found the libtard SJW. I notice you types avoid using the words "climate change" now since it has been so throughly discredited by ACTUAL scientists. Chinese hoaxes are not a good thing to bet youre hole ideology on.

  13. Re:RIP but... by Crash+Dummy+Redux · · Score: 2

    I guess you never read Jerry Pournelle's Chaos Manor columns in Byte Magazine back in the day.

  14. gofundme?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lol

    1. Re:gofundme?! by dohzer · · Score: 1

      'My first job out of college was with IBM. I served a big-system apprenticeship there, but I think the thing that really triggered [my interest] was the introduction of the 8008 by Intel,' he said. 'I was fascinated that you could have that kind of capability in a little 18-pin package.'

      That's basically the same thing that got me excited about micros. Screw the big computer and $3,000 device board I can't afford. Give me the little, affordable $5 IC with some wires and a bread-board and let me experience something myself.

  15. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck yourself.

  16. Re: /. Serving malicious ads! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I have been watching this fire grow for sometime now. Every night I turn on the tv and Iâ(TM)m horrified by how far it has spread. It seems like the fire spreads faster on a daily basis than anyone could have predicted and it breaks its own records every day. Thinking of these poor people I just want to hide my head under the blankets. I canâ(TM)t even imagine the Herculean effort that will be required to build an entire forest from nothing. We should all be thankful that such dedication exists among public servants. They are all the same in every way we know of. Give a prayer of thanks before you go back to posting about coffee

  17. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Enjoy your spotted owl habit.

    Whatever you do don't leave CA with your insurance payout. Just stay there please.

  18. Re:RIP but... by HatofPig · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm pretty sure lots of people have read Paul Freiberger's Fire in the Valley, which is how I knew who he was. Very sad.

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  19. Re:RIP but... by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 0

    hardly anybody has ever heard of this person. His biggest claim to fame is dying in the 2018 Cali Camp Fire.

    A person that would point that out is who really deserves to die in a fire.

    You disgusting Slashtards aren't even human.

  20. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Burn to death.

  21. Re:RIP but... by fleabay · · Score: 0

    I didn't say he deserved to die in a fire. And only losers like you use 'tard' as an insult.

  22. Ample Annie by senileoldfart · · Score: 1

    Who could forget Ample Annie?

  23. Re:RIP but... by Scarletdown · · Score: 2

    I just barely missed the S-100 era. By the time I had my first exposure to computers in 1981, the schools here were on TRS-80 systems (Models I and III), and the big epeen to strive for was the Apple ][ Plus.

    My first of my own though was just a TI-99/4a (last minute save because the 'rents were seriously considering a $99 Timex-Sinclair 1000). What little social life I had at that time went instantly to zero for most of my high school years.

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  24. Not necessarily allowed to remove fuel near homes by drnb · · Score: 1, Insightful

    They weren't culling deadwood and managing the forest around their town. All the dead wood and brush is/was a tinder box waiting to flame up. That said, burn offs are completely natural and part of the cycle of life for woodlands.

    Where I used to live people were prohibited from removing built-up fuel near their homes Such deadwood/brush was considered a habitat for some local endangered ground squirrel type critter. Structures and lives were lost as a result, this was decades ago. I'm sure things have gotten no better, probably worse.

  25. Actually science say we do mismanage by drnb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... As usual, you should ignore Trump's attempts to somehow blame this on Democrats, saying they weren't "managing" the forests properly ...

    Don't let your politics fool you. Science does in fact say we are mismanaging forest and brush lands. Trump may be an idiot but via the broken clock effect he is occasionally correct. In this case our hyper aggressive firefighting over many decades, overseen by both republicans and democrats, has let fuel accumulate. The result has been more and larger fires that are more difficult to contain.

    There are many ways to f' up the environment. Some of them are industrial, some of them are well meaning and superficially pro-environment policies. Fires are a natural part of the environmental cycle in some regions. That needs to be recognized and fire suppression needs to start taking that into account.

    1. Re:Actually science say we do mismanage by gman003 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're not entirely wrong, but not entirely right either.

      Controlled burns just aren't possible in every part of the country. Nobody's going to let their house burn down to prevent theoretical worse fires further down the line. You can let acres of grassland or pasture burn, or remote forests - but not woods that are laced with homes.

      It's also questionable whether that would even have helped. Accumulated fuel can make fires spread fast, and probably contributed here, but there was also plenty of dry grass due to aforementioned dry summer. And what was the natural rate of fires, pre-humans? My reading claims it's been ten years since a fire swept through the affected area, which doesn't seem particularly long for any specific location. I really doubt every part of the forest burned every single year, ten thousand years ago.

      There are clearly improvements we need to make. But I don't think your suggestions (which seem based on Great Plains policies) are the right ones for North California.

    2. Re:Actually science say we do mismanage by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      The problem is, these are fairly low income types of places. If you have trailer parks in the woods, they're going to burn. If you have retirement villages, they're going to burn.

      Rich people's estates on the same type of land will have some fire protection; fire breaks, sprinkler systems that can wet down an area and slow the spread of the fire; this lowers the fire intensity in the immediate area, even though it doesn't stop the fire. This, combined with rooftop sprinklers, can save buildings.

      There isn't enough room between the structures in the pictures to build any sort of fire protection, or to do any sort of controlled burn. A simple home fire would burn down the whole neighborhood if not for firefighters!

    3. Re:Actually science say we do mismanage by dryeo · · Score: 1

      There's a few things going into creating more favorable conditions for fires.
      The amount of beetle die off is increasing much faster then can be managed. Beetle killed trees, usually pines, burn really well. It is really hard to manage large areas of beetle killed trees. The beetles are worse as winters are not cold enough to kill them off.
      Springs are happening earlier, causing much more undergrowth, which then dries out and becomes potential fuel. You'd have to burn everything yearly, which is not practical.
      The summers and especially the autumns are becoming drier, dry fuel burns better. There's only a short season where prescriptive burns could even be done safely. The autumns in particular are known to be windy. What do you do about lots of undergrowth?
      There are more people living in the forest, it is hard to do prescriptive burning when the forest is full of houses. Those same people demand that fires be put out before their property is burned.
      More people also equals more human caused fires. Something like 3/4's of fires are human caused.
      A bit of DDGing shows this site, https://fivethirtyeight.com/fe... that mostly agrees with what i said above, which is mostly based on what is happening where I live, a ways north of California though it does point out that the temperature increases have been larger then I thought.

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    4. Re:Actually science say we do mismanage by drnb · · Score: 1

      Actually we know the sizes of fires with and without hyper aggressive fire suppression by comparing similar regions of the US and Mexico. Mexico with less suppression has much smaller fires that create less damage. There is effectively a patchwork of firebreaks from previous year's small fires. The problem with the US is that we don't have such a patchwork and this allows fires to more easily traverse terrain and reach much larger sizes.

      Yes 10 years is not very long but its not about one particular area burning, its about a fire spreading from one area to another to another to another.

    5. Re:Actually science say we do mismanage by shilly · · Score: 1

      A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
      https://www.theguardian.com/us...

      "Trump probably has in mind how a century of putting out wildfires in the American west has caused forests to grow dense with trees, making large, hot fires more common than they once were. This is not the predominant cause, however, of the fires currently making the news. To comprehend what is currently taking place in California, you have to comprehend how it has historically burned – and the vast changes now occurring across the landscape."

      The rest of the article provides insight into how climate change affects fires; the fact that many wildfires happen in non-forested areas; and how clear-cutting is an ineffective technique.

    6. Re:Actually science say we do mismanage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not entirely wrong, but not entirely right either.

      Controlled burns just aren't possible in every part of the country. Nobody's going to let their house burn down to prevent theoretical worse fires further down the line. You can let acres of grassland or pasture burn, or remote forests - but not woods that are laced with homes.

      Just an interested layman:

      Why not start the burn at the location of the at-risk community, and let it spread out to the wilderness?

      Usually, these conflagrations start in the wild and approach "civilization", which is were the drama then occurs. But if we start a small fire on purpose in civilization to eat up all fuel, then when a fire comes in from the wild there's less to worry about.

      Presumably states / counties could employ inspectors to ensure safe zones, on pain on of a fine if not implemented:

      * https://www.nfpa.org/Public-Education/By-topic/Wildfire/Preparing-homes-for-wildfire

      Or insurance companies employing them, if we want a "market solution".

    7. Re:Actually science say we do mismanage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The problem is, these are fairly low income types of places. If you have trailer parks in the woods, they're going to burn. If you have retirement villages, they're going to burn.

      No, the problem is that people have all sorts of kindling around and on their domiciles:

      * https://www.nfpa.org/Public-Education/By-topic/Wildfire/Preparing-homes-for-wildfire
      * https://www.nfpa.org/Public-Education/By-topic/Wildfire

      If you have pine needles on your roof, and an ember makes contact, they will ignite regardless of how rich or poor you are. Get rid of kindling between 0-6 feet (0-2m) around your house, clear back large vegetation between 0-30' (0-10m), and thin out trees (though clear cutting is not necessary) between 0-100' (0-30m), and you'll generally be fine:

      * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfbEcMeYFFA
      * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL_syp1ZScM

      A concrete and steal building is not necessary.

    8. Re:Actually science say we do mismanage by sjames · · Score: 1

      Science does in fact say we are mismanaging forest and brush lands.

      Yes, but the mismanaged forest is FEDERAL, not State owned. Meaning Trump is blaming the California state government for his own failure.

    9. Re:Actually science say we do mismanage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a major peice of wonky logic in this sort of thinking. Fire fighters can't stop a large fire. They can try an direct it by back burning (in it self risky), etc... but once it gets over a certain height they just run with it and try and do the best they can for built up areas.
       
        People building in the forest and not expecting a forest fire is the same as people building on a flood plain and not expecting a flood.

    10. Re:Actually science say we do mismanage by drnb · · Score: 1

      I am not speaking of only forested areas, I am referring the grass/brush covered regions as well. The disparity observed between the US and Mexico includes grass/brush covered regions. I have also lived in such a region for several decades. The gov't induced problems are many. For example in one locale homeowners were prevented from clearing brush near their homes, brush that was a fire danger, because it was considered habitat for some sort of ground squirrel.

    11. Re:Actually science say we do mismanage by drnb · · Score: 1

      There is no wonky logic, you merely miss the point. The problem is hyper aggressive fighting of every small fire. Minimizing its burn. This leads to accumulation of fuel over large areas. In Mexico where the small fires are allowed to burn a bit more naturally there develops a patchwork of areas without enough fuel to sustain large fires and thereby prevents their development or limits their scope.

    12. Re:Actually science say we do mismanage by drnb · · Score: 1

      There is no shortage of forest fires in California on non-federal land.
      There is no shortage of mismanagement at the state and local levels, it is not a problem specific to the federal level.

    13. Re:Actually science say we do mismanage by sjames · · Score: 1

      That would still be Trump trying to pass his share of the blame to the state of California at best.

    14. Re:Actually science say we do mismanage by drnb · · Score: 1

      That would still be Trump trying to pass his share of the blame to the state of California at best.

      So what? Who cares what he says? What he like or dislikes has no influence on any idea, the accuracy of ideas stands apart from him. If what Trump say is important to you, seek help.

  26. A Good Guy by charliemerritt03 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I used to buy memory chips from him. Wonderful guy full of excitement concerning anything having to do with building your own computer. An information spreader. Serial Good Guy that would help anyone out with tips on DIY, and "where to get it" advice.

  27. urban fire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Correction: Trump is a fucking evil Forest Gump... Evil Donald Grump.

    This was an urban fire; once it hits populated areas, forestry doesn't matter.

    1. Re:urban fire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just the dumbest comment ever on slashdot since 5pm.

      Glad you think those areas are "urban". Stupid fuckwad.

    2. Re:urban fire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I’m gonna enjoy watching you burn to death.

  28. RIP by oldgraybeard · · Score: 2

    My first home computer was an S-100 computer with 2 8" floppy drives, I built from parts in a 5' Sperry-UNIVAC rack in my living room. Had a Hazeltine and 2 Televideo green screen monitors.

    Just my 2 cents ;)

    1. Re:RIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My first "PC" was a S-100 machine built with CompuPro boards. (Godbout's company) It had an 8086 processor with 8087 math coprocessor, and 256 KB of RAM. (Very expensive! It had to be SRAM because Intel processors didn't provide a DRAM refresh signal like the Z80.) Dual 8" floppies held 1.2 MB, and the entire CPM operating system fit on the boot track. It would be back online a few seconds after hitting Reset, which was fortunate because I was teaching myself C and crashing it all the time. Gotta be careful with those pointers...

  29. Re:RIP but... by Hans+Lehmann · · Score: 2

    The first computer I ever built was on a S100 board. And by "built", I mean wire wrapped by hand from pencil drawn schematics. The S100 standard didn't last all that long but it was one of the first standardized buses for the personal computer age.

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  30. Re: RIP but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    99/4A?!?

    No wonder your social life went to zero, even computer nerds avoid that stinky machine!!!

  31. Bought many of his products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Started personal computing with CP/M and a homebrew S-100, back when I was young enough to spend countless hours trying to get things to work, but old enough to have some income to buy hardware. I even wrote a printer driver in assembler for my CP/M system.

  32. Re: RIP but... by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

    I had a blast with her and learned a lot. Granted, we could never afford the expansion box, or a disk drive (got a nice 4a setup now); but I was still able to figure out plenty with just the base system, cassette recorder, and speech synthesizer.

    Also built up my own little library of BASIC programs by borrowing the various TRS-80 books from my school's computer lab and converted many of them from TRS-80 BASIC to TI BASIC.

    I do not have any regrets over being a 99er. I was one of the lucky few kids in town to have a computer, and mine was much easier to make say George Carlin's 7 words clearly than any other computer I managed to experience back in the day.

    Oh yeah, we also had the best home version of Star Trek: Strategic Operations Simulator (I am 99% positive that was actually Leonard Nimoy they got to declare "Damage Repaired, Captain!" when you managed to tag a starbase before you could go boom). We also had the 2nd best version of Space Invaders. I do have to grant the #1 spot for that to the VIC-20, which I didn't get to experience until I went through my collect them all phase back in the late 90s.

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  33. Re: RIP but... by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

    And I also have to say that the PEB, the Peripheral Expansion Box just looks so freaking cool and classy; and if they were not still largely unobtanium as they have always been; I would consider getting ahold of a third one to use as a case for a small footprint motherboard Debian/Windows 7 box.

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  34. I was lucky. by kurt555gs · · Score: 3, Informative

    I was lucky to have been involved in the beginning of the Micro Computer era. I worked for Mt Takayoshi Shiina at SORD Computer of Japan in the early 1980's. I remember talking with Mt Godbout, George Morrow who passed away some time ago from cancer I believe and Mt Shiina as a 20 something starry eyed kid that was totally enthralled with microcomputers and watching the business explode with ideas.

    God's speed Mt Godbout!

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  35. Re:RIP but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He didn't say you said that. He wrote just a single line of text and you still managed to mis-read it. You are not only unpleasant but stupid as well.

  36. Lived vicariously the heroic days of computing by blind+biker · · Score: 1

    I lived vicariously the golden, heroic days of microcomputing via my S-100 computer hobby, and the Godbout cards are some of the nicest, best engineered ones. From everything I read about him, I could deduce that he was a generous, giving and thriving man, a pillar of the home computing community.

    He will be missed dearly.

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  37. Re:RIP but... by mikael · · Score: 1

    BYTE magazine would be a good indication. There are online manuals which cover the bus and CPU's:

    http://www.s100computers.com/M...
    http://www.pestingers.net/page...

    Before home computers, if you wanted a computer system, you had to build it yourself as a S-100 rack mounted system. You could buy all sorts of add-on boards (CPU, speech synthesizer, text display video board). Everything was rack mounted. CPU's were beefy for the time: 68030

    http://www.s100computers.com/H...

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  38. Re:RIP but... by shanen · · Score: 1

    Thanks for the reference. Looks worth digging up, but might be hard to find around here...

    Two of the first PCs I worked on were S-100s, though I didn't have enough money in those days to buy my own. One of them was owned by a residential coop, and the other was at a commercial real estate company. Both of them were pretty massive machines for their day. I think one of them had a gigantic 5- or even 10-MB hard disk. Pretty sure it had 8-inch platters that you could see though a plastic dome. It had a weird motherboard with two CPUs on it, one that ran 8-bit CP/M and a a 16-bit CPU for a 16-bit version that might have been called CP/M-86. Ancient memories, and a bit of a surprise to find out that such a senior creator of those days was still alive.

    Rather a sad way to go.

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  39. he’s warm for the rest of his life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Give a man a fire and he’s warm for a day, but set fire to him and he’s warm for the rest of his life."

    DON’T THINK OF IT AS DYING, said Death. JUST THINK OF IT AS LEAVING EARLY TO AVOID THE RUSH. ./ I'LL SEE MYSELF OUT.

  40. Can't Bear to Part With My S100s by BSalita · · Score: 1

    I can't bear to part with my S100 computers; Vector Graphics and Alpha Micro. I'll take them to my grave. My Alpha Micro colleagues feel the same way. IIRC, at the Atlantic City Computer Festival (August 1976?), I rode the elevator up with Carl Helmers, editor of Byte Magazine. He was excited by a meeting where the various hardware manufactures agreed on a moniker of S100. I also had a conversation with Steve Jobs at his cardtable booth. He claimed to have advanced orders for 600 Apple 1 boards. I thought that was bullshit because no one had that kind of volume. He confided that Apple would soon release an improved model, called Apple 2, that offered color, a completely unique offering. I asked if people really cared about color. Wasn't monochrome just as useful? He assured me people would snatch up there completed-system color computer. I often told this story to illustrate how Steve was so much more attuned to peoples wants than I was. But in 1984, he rolled out the first Macintosh, a monochrome computer -- so much for must-have color computers.

    1. Re:Can't Bear to Part With My S100s by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Consider dropping them if you are running from a forest fire.

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  41. Re: ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THIS IS A FRIENDLY REMINDER FOR YOUR UPCOMING APPOINTMENT. PLEASE DRESS APPROPRIATELY, IT'S GOING TO BE A LONG WAY DOWN.

    “Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who watches the watchmen? Me. I watch him. Always.”

    “I'd rather be a rising ape than a falling angel.”

  42. Re:RIP but... by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    I didn't say he deserved to die in a fire. And only losers like you use 'tard' as an insult.

    What? You mean like all the loser Slashtards that call anyone who posts ANYTHING in support of a particular product or computer platform a "fanboi" or a "shill".

    Yeah. "Slashtard" fits most perfectly.

  43. Re: RIP but... by Megane · · Score: 1

    (I am 99% positive that was actually Leonard Nimoy they got to declare "Damage Repaired, Captain!" when you managed to tag a starbase before you could go boom)

    That Nimoy voice sample was in the arcade version. The TI chip supported custom samples (B-17 Bomber on Intellivision famously had a custom startup voice), so they probably used the same recording. That's also impressive since a lot of home conversions never had access to the original game assets. (ColecoVision games in particular rented an arcade machine as the "reference".) I wouldn't be surprised to find that the arcade version used the TI chip too, since voice samples were enormous back then unless you had that sort of compression.

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  44. Re:RIP but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well this is another fire in the valley, sort of. Yes, quite sad.

  45. Re: RIP but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go molest your daughter some more your flamin douche bag.

  46. Re: RIP but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You*

  47. Was he? by nagora · · Score: 1

    "Bill Godbout was one of the earliest and most influential supports of the S-100 bus in the mid-1970s."

    Most machines of that time were using little bits of plastic or even metal supports, so he was really thinking outside the box. Or maybe /. needs editors that know how to edit.

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  48. Re:RIP but... by BoogieChile · · Score: 1

    So who died and left you their UID, junior?

  49. So he had a bbq, with himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    rip

  50. Re: RIP but... by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    Go molest your daughter some more your flamin douche bag.

    I am simply blinded by your dazzling wit. ...and not only is it "you", not "your"; but it is also "flamin' ", not "flamin".

    As I said...