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EFF, MuckRock Partner To See How Local Police Are Trading Your Car's Location (eff.org)
v3rgEz writes: The Electronic Frontier Foundation and transparency non-profit MuckRock helped file over a thousand public records requests, looking into how local police departments were trading away sensitive data on where you drive and park, picked up by their use of automated license plate recognition devices. They've just published the results of those requests, including looking at how hundreds of departments freely share that data with hundreds of other organizations -- often with no public oversight. Explore the data yourself, or, if your town isn't yet in their database, requests its information free on MuckRock and they'll file a request for it. "[Automated license plate readers (ALPR)] are a combination of high-speed cameras and optical character recognition technology that can identify license plates and turn them into machine-readable text," reports the EFF. "What makes ALPR so powerful is that drivers are required by law to install license plates on their vehicles. In essence, our license plates have become tracking beacons. After the plate data is collected, the ALPR systems upload the information to a central a database along with the time, date, and GPS coordinates. Cops can search these databases to see where drivers have traveled or to identify vehicles that visited certain locations. Police can also add license plates under suspicion to 'hot lists,' allowing for real-time alerts when a vehicle is spotted by an ALPR network."
In the UK, ALPR's will often lookup the license plate in some database to find out whether the car is insured, whether road tax is being paid and whether it has an MOT test, so the police can immediately stop a car that fails, and all motorists other than those stopped appreciate it very much.
The police can't even find cars that owe thousands of dollars in tickets. And that is using plate recognition devices. I doubt if the data is very useful to identify individual car's travels.
Isn't this the point of a license plate?
Nope. The purpose was never to enable full-time surveillance of people's vehicles. It was to permit identification of vehicles in realtime. When license plates were introduced, there were no automatic license plate scanners. Now there are, so things are different.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Not even close. ALPR data should require warrant access no different than that required for adding a GPS device to a vehicle.
Let's get this out in the open and have a discussion about it. Let's share all the info that is tracked and shared so people can be smarter about protecting themselves.
TL;DR
Companies put tracking pixels on websites and share the info with each other.
Texas and Georgia are not blue states
All the more reason to use public transit + walking.
Well, except for the coming wave of facial recognition. Shit.
who gives a shit
Its often not the police collecting the data, the police are often merely subscribers to the commercial private databases. These database are filled by other private sources, bail bondsmen, reposessors, etc. These private entities will literally cruise up and down the isles of parking lots at various public venues -- malls, stadiums, walmart, etc -- scanning/recording plates and waiting for statistics to find them a car/person of interest. As a bonus they also sell all their collected data to the commercial private databases.
To think that this is largely a law enforcement effort or a law enforcement database is to totally misunderstand what has been happening.
No warrant is needed for public information available from a private source. That's the "beauty" of the current system for law enforcement, why they like to merely be a subscriber.
Originally the license plate was there to show your vehicle was registered, enabling you to the full right of way along with other vehicles. Only later did it become a tool of the police.
If the public were to get a system up and running that tracked Law Enforcement vehicles and distributed this information to anyone who wanted to see it in real time, they would pitch an absolute fit about it.
Yet, it's perfectly acceptable to push such technology upon everyone else. :|
I wonder if LE understands it's this hypocrisy that creates such hatred between LE and everyone else.
Knowing that MuckRock and EFF are trying to hold government accountable is laudable. I am glad they are doing it. But if someone wants me to get all worked up about it, I ran out of outrage back during the Reagan administration.
For an entity like "California Department of Justice - Bureau of Firearms" that only scanned 3 (three) plates, I wonder what the cost of their system is? Or what the system is? Are they reporting manually sighted and called in plates? Their success rate is one of the highest 33% with 1 (one) of the 3 (three) being a hit.
Not so different that it would legally allow police to sell that information collected. That would be a gross invasion of privacy by law pretty much police are only allowed to collect and present to the courts only, information collected during their duties, other than that, the law pretty much requires they SHUT THE FUCK UP. I really think some police forces need, like unruly guard dogs, taught their place. Honestly those who allowed should be prosecuted where possible and where not, most definitely fired for betrayal of the public trust.
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The problem here is we've had government push increasingly draconian and abusive law in order to punish people for doing what was unenforcable. Now that it's the future, we can enforce those laws, and then the government begins putting people in jail or fining them for all they're worth for minor offenses and it feels good to them for awhile. Then the feel-good ends when the widespread effects are felt on society and they realize they've become monsters.
E.G. Indiana adopted $1,000 speeding tickets about a decade ago; the police might like reaping it in, but when businesses and government abuse people, they can put them out on the street or get them to the point they don't care. Then they have a pension funding problem, and a crime problem, and a drug use problem, all of which are far more severe. As we've seen in Chicago, the community has zero tolerance for the police doing their jobs because what they are doing is not working; they aren't fixing poverty and bad habits with handcuffs and making statistics look good isn't helping either. You have one perspective that they arrested Jamal because he's a coke fiend, and another perspective that you don't arrest him because that's all he'll ever become because society was so bad.
The police, and the governments that fund them, are beginning to wake up to that, since its their lives on the line. They are keenly aware traffic tickets can result in loss of life and people may start packing because they expect an altercation with the police over tickets they cannot pay. It is really sad things have come to that.
If its easy to enforce, the infractions should be smaller and a matter of public records and debate. Furthermore, any widespread surviellance of the public that a municipality provides needs to be publicly accessible. Furthermore, the public needs to begin viewing fines the same as bribes, because that's precisely how they operate, and we need to begin taking fines out of our system of law enforcement entirely as an antiquated and ineffective form of enforcement, same as debtors prisons or passing laws that are totally unenforcable like prohibition. The police need to view their income as a result of taxes, not bullying people into paying bribe money.
"For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction"
The world is steadily filling up with a bunch of bat shit crazy individuals who are incapable of living in a normal society. So we task are law enforcement agencies with protesting us and then deny them the tools to effectively do their job. The same applies to the military. We create the most powerful military on the planet and then force them to fight with one hand and sometimes two hands tied behind their back. It still amazes me how some idiots act surprised when the military kills someone or blows up a building. That's what the military does. Every recognizable border on the planet was created by the violence humans love to inflict on one another. And there is no evidence what so ever that we will ever settle the really important matters without spilling blood. On the brighter side I don't think we will really need to worry about global warming since we are moving towards WW3 at a steady clip and there will be more pressing concerns to be dealt with like finding your next meal.
Don't know why the parking tickets guys have such bad luck, when the Repo Men seem to have great success with a giant private license plate scanning network.
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Everything becomes a tool of the police eventually. This is just a fact of life.
Not a perfect solution, but it might be possible to legally obfuscate one's license plate when parked. I've seen cops in my community slowly driving up and down the rows in a couple of local mall parking lots. There's no question they're scanning plate numbers. I'm sure the day will come when they have scanners mounted everywhere there's a light pole, but for right now the cops in my area need to actually drive around to do their data harvesting.
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
Nope. It was just supposed to show you paid your road taxes. That is all. No vehicle ID at all.
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The Car License Plate is the property of the State Governments. The police are entitled to a clear view of the plate and have the authorization to remove impediments to a clear view. You can get a ticket for this type of action in many jurisdictions.
yep, unfortunately
yes, needs a warrant
Well keep in mind that saying "police" is like saying "Google".
There are bad actors at Google. There are those out for profit only, at Google. There are those that think they are helping humanity (research arms), people that just want a job, people that see Google as good (their search engine is crappier than it was, but still very good), and then of course there is a wide range of political views.
The police are no different.
In this case, it wasn't some cop that you or I would ever meet, that set up these readers or more so sold the data.
In fact, it was likely three different departments.
One department that probably thinks "This is to protect people", without necessarily seeing the evils of the whole thing.
Another that decided to keep the data forever. The department implementing it.
And a third that is selling the data. An accountant, or someone trying to monetize a resource.
There may be many cops not even aware this is happening in their department. And if some found out, they may be against it!
I ask you, in most work places, do you agree with everything your boss does?
Probably that only applies to viewing via the eyes of the police officer. Assuming that is the case, one merely needs a technology that can block electronic viewing without obstructing human eyes. If such technology were to become widespread, law would probably be introduced to halt its use or technologies developed to circumvent it.
Whether such technology can be developed is entirely another issue, one on which I am neither qualified or informed enough to comment.
the glare of the infrared flash reflected by hairspray applied to the numberplate helps to make the plate unreadable for electronic and analog cameras.
When license plates were introduced, there were no automatic license plate scanners. Now there are, so things are different.
Automatic plate number scanners aren't a requirement for surveillance, they only "lazy-fy" the work which would have historically needed to be done by actual human police officer doing the spotting and - later when that appeared - the CCTV footage reviewing.
Which also means that any criminal worth their salt has already a parade: counterfeit license plate (preferrabily, multiple of them, to swap them) in order to muddy their track.
Which also means that by automating the license plate reading :
- they slightly increase the possibility of automatically observing a "clash" (multiple vehicle popping up with the same number in different part of the country/continent, numbers that don't match the vehicle they are supposed to be registered to, and some number not being seen after some video check-point and another different number popping up on the exact same type of vehicle at the next point). Things which were already posiible, but much more work intensive.
- they dramatically increase the risk of tracking random people on the street and destroy their privacy (a computer database has way much more way to leak than a human reviewer), mostly those who don't exchange their plates (i.e. most of the non-criminal people). But yeah, nowadays "innocent until proven guilty" is only a vague notion.
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The state of Michigan says that their cameras are for monitoring traffic and road conditions and that the cameras "do not record data". Yeah, sure.
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Anybody ready to leave yet?
This is just yet another pebble on Mount Example, showing how the most reasonable solution is violently eliminating all things marked police.
Not so different that it would legally allow police to sell that information collected. That would be a gross invasion of privacy by law pretty much police are only allowed to collect and present to the courts only, information collected during their duties, other than that, the law pretty much requires they SHUT THE FUCK UP. I really think some police forces need, like unruly guard dogs, taught their place. Honestly those who allowed should be prosecuted where possible and where not, most definitely fired for betrayal of the public trust.
Next you'll be suggesting that police departments shouldn't be able to confiscate your money and property and just keep it for themselves. Or that they should be held accountable for shooting unarmed civilians. Do you want the terrorists to win?
"For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction"
The world is steadily filling up with a bunch of bat shit crazy individuals who are incapable of living in a normal society. So we task are law enforcement agencies with protesting us and then deny them the tools to effectively do their job. The same applies to the military. We create the most powerful military on the planet and then force them to fight with one hand and sometimes two hands tied behind their back. It still amazes me how some idiots act surprised when the military kills someone or blows up a building. That's what the military does. Every recognizable border on the planet was created by the violence humans love to inflict on one another. And there is no evidence what so ever that we will ever settle the really important matters without spilling blood. On the brighter side I don't think we will really need to worry about global warming since we are moving towards WW3 at a steady clip and there will be more pressing concerns to be dealt with like finding your next meal.
Good point. When Iraq attacked the US with no provocation in 2001 they should have let the military have a free hand. Same for Afghanistan. Er, wait. Who are the bat-shit crazy ones, again?
Captcha like plates. Should work for a while
Not so different that it would legally allow police to sell that information collected. That would be a gross invasion of privacy by law pretty much police are only allowed to collect and present to the courts only, information collected during their duties, other than that, the law pretty much requires they SHUT THE FUCK UP. I really think some police forces need, like unruly guard dogs, taught their place. Honestly those who allowed should be prosecuted where possible and where not, most definitely fired for betrayal of the public trust.
Where I come from, police are put under extra scrutiny, far more so than the ordinary public because they are granted extra ordinary powers over the general public. Even covering up a few parking tickets has cost police commissioners their entire careers.
We have, in my country, a process called a "royal commission". It's got nothing to do with the Queen, but it is an ad-hoc and very high level public inquiry into serious matters. The most famous one would be the Royal Commission into New South Wales police service.
Corruption in law enforcement is something we take very seriously in Australia and the UK and I've always been a bit bemused as to why the US permits such corrupt forces to operate.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
This is why so many parking lots say, no back-end parking.... it to facilitate the scanning of plates and decals.
he said most... not all.. Texas and Georgia being on the list doesn't make his statement untrue.
Given there are only five states on the list CA, IL, GA, TX, IN and only two of them are clearly blue. I'd say the state that it is dominated by blue states is bullshit.
to cover up their incompetence and/or stupidity?