Amazon Releases A No-Cost Distribution of OpenJDK (sdtimes.com)

An anonymous reader quotes SD Times: Amazon wants to make sure Java is available for free to its users in the long term with the introduction of Amazon Corretto. The solution is a no-cost, multi-platform, production-ready distribution of the Open Java Development Kit (OpenJDK). "Java is one of the most popular languages in use by AWS customers, and we are committed to supporting Java and keeping it free," Arun Gupta, principal open-source technologist at Amazon, wrote in a blog post. "Many of our customers have become concerned that they would have to pay for a long-term supported version of Java to run their workloads. As a first step, we recently re-affirmed long-term support for Java in Amazon Linux. However, our customers and the broader Java community run Java on a variety of platforms, both on and off of AWS."

Amazon Corretto will be available with long-term support and Amazon will continue to make performance enhancements and security fixes to it, the company explained. Amazon plans on making quarterly updates with bug fixes and patches, as well as any urgent fixes necessary outside of its schedule... Corretto 8 is available as a preview with features corresponding to those in OpenJDK 8. General availability for the solution is planned for Q1 2019... "Corretto is designed as a drop-in replacement for all Java SE distributions unless you're using features not available in OpenJDK (e.g., Java Flight Recorder)," Gupta wrote....

According to Gupta, Corretto 8 will be available at no cost until at least June of 2023. The company is working on Corretto 11, which will be available until at least August of 2024. "Amazon has already made several contributions to OpenJDK 8 and we look forward to working closely with the OpenJDK community on future enhancements to OpenJDK 8 and 11," Gupta wrote. "We downstream fixes made in OpenJDK, add enhancements based on our own experience and needs, and then produce Corretto builds. In case any upstreaming efforts for such patches is not successful, delayed, or not appropriate for OpenJDK project, we will provide them to our customers for as long as they add value. If an issue is solved a different way in OpenJDK, we will move to that solution as soon as it is safe to do so."

Comments

Long-Term is 2023??

[SuperKendall]

According to Gupta, Corretto 8 will be available at no cost until at least June of 2023.

I was reading through the initial summary and it sounded pretty good, but this part has me like WHA?

What might a potential cost be? 2023 is practically tomorrow if you have any kind of serious server development.

Re:Long-Term is 2023??

[Cardcaptor_RLH85]

I think what they're saying is that they'll support Coretto 8 for free until June 2023 but at that point, you need to move on to a newer version of Java/Coretto which should still be free or pay for version 8 support.

Re:Long-Term is 2023??

[Anonymous Coward]

The JDK won't just stop working. You'll be able to migrate to the LTS release like anyone else. If Amazon can move its webservices stack to JDK 11, you can too, and you'll have the benefit of Amazon's experience moving some of the largest enterprise webservices to a new JDK release.

Re:Long-Term is 2023??

[SuperKendall]

Ok, that makes more sense. I wasn't reading it as a legacy thing, but as the new thing - somehow I got that mixed up with v11.

Re:Long-Term is 2023??

[Anonymous Coward]

Oracle have changed the licensing with Java 11. To use the official Oracle JDK as part of a commercial service now REQURIES a commercial license from Oracle. That's the main reason for this sort of thing.

Though, I'd just go with plain OpenJDK rather than Amazon's version.

Re: Long-Term is 2023??

[breun]

Assuming you donâ(TM)t want do your own OpenJDK builds, where would you get this âplainâ(TM) OpenJDK build from? If you donâ(TM)t want to pay, then Oracleâ(TM)s builds wonâ(TM)t be an option since OpenJDK 11 if you want updates for more than 6 months. Amazon Coretto would be an option. Or my personal favorite: AdoptOpenJDK.

Re: Long-Term is 2023??

[Anonymous Coward]

What's wrong with building it myself. One well designed script and an occasional update, that's all it takes.

Re:Long-Term is 2023??

[lgw]

BTW, if you've seen the stories about Amazon pulling out all the stops to avoid Oracle: this is how serious they are. They've spent years and millions to separate Java from Oracle in internal use, so they could really be Oracle-free, with full confidence in the JVM.

Re:Long-Term is 2023??

[MrKaos]

BTW, if you've seen the stories about Amazon pulling out all the stops to avoid Oracle: this is how serious they are.

That says a lot about people's view of Larry.

They've spent years and millions to separate Java from Oracle in internal use, so they could really be Oracle-free, with full confidence in the JVM.

Everyone would do the same if they could.

Re:Long-Term is 2023??

[Cardcaptor_RLH85]

I currently work with an after school group that, among other things, uses the JDK to help teach high schoolers to build and program a robot. Even our parent group is building an open version of the JDK from scratch for all of the teams to use and separate us from Oracle starting in January.

Re: Long-Term is 2023??

[Anonymous Coward]

Fwiw, that solution is all it takes to do all of IT, everywhere.
Easier said than done for most.

AdoptOpenJDK

[xose]

Maybe because they a using AdoptOpenJDK ???
https://adoptopenjdk.net/support.html#roadmap
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_version_history

Re:AdoptOpenJDK

[Anonymous Coward]

Mod this up! I've been looking for a supported Windows JDK binary ever since Oracle made their announcement and I somehow managed to avoid coming across this. Trading Oracle for Amazon is like trading syphilis for herpes.

Re: AdoptOpenJDK

[Anonymous Coward]

Syphilis vs herpies today, or pre-penicillin?

Slow...

[theM_xl]

Announced on Devoxx Belgium on wednesday by James Gosling, 'already' on Slashdot by sunday... Get on the ball guys.

We are all APK! We stand united!

[Anonymous Coward]

When one APK is attacked, all APK are attacked!

We, the APK, will no long sit back and accept your bigotry, abuse, racism, harassment, and misogyny!

Sisters! Brothers! Otherkin! We are one!

So the good news is Java isn't going away

[rsilvergun]

and the bad news is that Java isn't going away.

Re:So the good news is Java isn't going away

[Phylter]

The good news is that Oracle has just lost a lot of the control over the Java ecosystem that they had. Because of their insistence on making a buck and hurting the customer they've made themselves their biggest competition and the open source will win.

Re:So the good news is Java isn't going away

[jma05]

Exactly what is still bothersome about the JVM today?
I remember the early annoyances, but both the language and the VM have undergone significant improvements over the years.
If you don't like Java the language, there are any number of modern languages to use on the JVM.
What would you wish that people used other than the JVM?

Re:So the good news is Java isn't going away

[Heir Of The Mess]

It's a funny thing, but in 20 years of development most of the biggest / most expensive screw ups I've seen seem to have Java at the core of the problem.

E.g. Had a server farm that was topped out performance wise when 1000 users logged in, so we threw a few million dollars worth of Sun servers at it and then they topped out. Deeper investigation revealed a Java asshole had been introduced into the dev team and had rewritten a C++ login app in Java just to fix a small issue that didn't really affect anyone. Apparently said dev just liked Java better even though he'd been hired to do C++ work. So each user was firing up a 70MB JVM when they logged in, which at 1000 users was 70GB of RAM. Which was quite a lot in 2004.

Java devs also seem to prefer quantity of quality when it comes to lines of code, and pull in massive middle ware packages to do something simple that could've been done with a few lines of SQL, but they went with Java because they didn't want to learn SQL. C++ programmers seem much more willing to learn other things in the interest of coming up with the best solution. Same thing seems to apply to a large percentage of the C# devs that we see.

But actually we've moved mostly away from Java, and Java devs! So if you are a Java dev I'd recommend that you stick solidly to that.

Re:So the good news is Java isn't going away

[Billly Gates]

Easy. Outlaw Techno Psycobitch man the most hipster approval language ever!

Re:So the good news is Java isn't going away

[Billly Gates]

Easy. Outlaw Techno PsychoBitch man the most hipster language ever!

Re:So the good news is Java isn't going away

[Anonymous Coward]

that's not a java problem; that's an hr problem

Re:So the good news is Java isn't going away

[angel'o'sphere]

He wants to program multi threaded code on 64 CPU cores with 4x hyper threading in a network of minimum 16 hosts with POSIX only API in C. Obviously with sporadicly mixed in assembly. And all that because he is to stupid to type java -help into the console or does not grasp the then displayed command line options. I'm pretty sure he uses his own hand written index sequential DB which he pets since 1986, he tried once to migrate to berkley DB but failed miserable, and since then he feels miserable about any progress in Computer Science! Because it is not Science, it i engineering and only people with a proper engineering degree, as in electric engineering, should be allowed to even come close to a console. Because of the sparks ... you know. Not to mix up with Apache Spark! Obviously also not to be mixed up with Spark Systems ... oh, where was I?

Perhaps he belongs to the flolks who don't grasp what a classpath is? I once had a discussion with a C# freak, who claimed C# is so much better than Java because it has no $CLASSPATH ... sigh ...

Re:So the good news is Java isn't going away

[angel'o'sphere]

So each user was firing up a 70MB JVM when they logged in, which at 1000 users was 70GB of RAM. Which was quite a lot in 2004.
Yes, and some other asshole did not realize you simply add the memory switches to the command line of the JVM to reduce it to 4MB or even 2MB, depending on what the complicated log in actually was doing.
And then again, you could defer that to a single server, handling multiple log in attempts simultaneously and run everything in a single 70MB VM ...

Re:So the good news is Java isn't going away

[Heir Of The Mess]

So you think we should have persisted with trying to get the Java solution working? You are making my point for me about Java devs. Launching Java in the login script to perform simple tasks just seems like a bad idea period. Why would you argue otherwise?

Re:So the good news is Java isn't going away

[Anonymous Coward]

Had a server farm that was topped out performance wise when 1000 users logged in, so we threw a few million dollars worth of Sun servers at it

Sounds like the rest of your organisation were as useless as your Java dev if they failed to locate the source of their memory issue before spending millions of dollars.
I came to an organisation that had just bought an extra 24 big iron Sparc servers because no one realized they should be using a 64bit JVM instead of a 32bit one (we've run out of memory!) or that they could have at least have run multiple instances of their 32bit JVMs.

Re:So the good news is Java isn't going away

[angel'o'sphere]

Why would you argue otherwise?
Because your arguing is nonsense as well.

E.g. you did not mention it is a "log in script".

You said during log in, so I e.g. assume a dialog box on my PC asking for a username and password.

You are arguing about languages and claiming that people who use certain languages are by definition superiour to people using other languages.

I thought the same about VB developers ... but I changed that mindset long ago before I started mainly to develop in Java.

P.S.
Why did the log in script need a C++/Java program to do anything is beyond me anyway. So you want to argue you better had done the Java thing in C++ instead in "the right language" what ever your scripting language was?

Re:So the good news is Java isn't going away

[nosfucious]

I'm looking at your change control process here. Did anyone request the change? Why was the dev allowed to put the code in to production? Did he/she have admin on the server?

These things were standard in 2004. A dog of a program it might have been, but the change control should have stopped that. Particularly, if it was "a multi-million dollar problem" - wasn't there a little investigation done first?

Re:So the good news is Java isn't going away

[Anonymous Coward]

And a shell script, or perl/python would also start an interpreter. You're not avoiding that, just using a smaller one.

Re:So the good news is Java isn't going away

[datavirtue]

So you threw a few million dollars at the problem and then decided to investigate deeper when that didn't pan out?

Re:So the good news is Java isn't going away

[Heir Of The Mess]

Downtime is important, a few million isn't. The consultants from Sun Microsystems had hardware at arms reach so that's what was thrown at the problem first.

Re:So the good news is Java isn't going away

[greylion3]

Yeah, I've always wondered what problam Java was trying to solve.
I know, it's supposed to be about write-once, run-anywhere.
That's already a non-problem, when you have a compiler for each architecture your program needs to run on.
Today, there's what, x86/x86-64, Qualcomm Snapdragons, and the Apple A, W, S-series?
With how hard the Apple processors are locked down, that leaves two to need a compiler for.

Btw, was that Java dev fired?

Re: So the good news is Java isn't going away

[Heir Of The Mess]

Not fired, but reassigned to running network cables

Re: You /. users need to STOP BULLYING ME... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

APK, please keep posting this rubbish. You're not doing enough of this. I want you to post more, as often as possible. Show off those unlimited anonymous posts you keep bragging about. You're furthering my objectives and playing right into my hands.

I hope the posts become annoying enough that whipslash sees enough of them and decides to improve the lameness filter. I want him to filter out all APK posts, so that neither you, nor any imposters that exist, are able to post this type of nonsense or hosts file spam.

Keep on posting. You're doing exactly what I want. It's all part of my plan to finally put an end to your spam.

Re: IMPERSONATING ME AGAIN? apk

[Anonymous Coward]

You have no idea who I am. I'm neither c6gunner nor ZIP. I promise, however, that I'm definitely not losing. I revealed my plan elsewhere in this thread, and you posting this stuff just helps me win. You're incapable of resisting the urge to post your nonsense, so there's no harm in telling you my plan.

Wait, it's not free already ?

[Anonymous Coward]

No ?

So what

[Anonymous Coward]

Mathematics has been free forever, that's what your code is written on.

You have to stop, look a paintbrush and dirt are free too (YOU CAN CATCH IT IN THE WIND).

That doesn't mean art is not for sale.

Quit with the fucked up free shit.

More F*** off to Oracle from Amazon

[Anonymous Coward]

This sounds like an obvious "raise hand extend middle finger" to Oracle. ... but hey, that's OK!

Re:More F*** off to Oracle from Amazon

[Anonymous Coward]

No—really? I thought it was an invitation to Thanksgiving dinner.

Oracle's problem (well one of them)

[Anonymous Coward]

It's a software company in a IAAS world.

I guess that's the problem of most Open Source software companies these days.

Re: Oracle's problem (well one of them)

[Anonymous Coward]

Where have you been? You are a little off

Difference Amazon OpenJDK / Oracle OpenJDK

[Anonymous Coward]

Can anyone explain the difference between both OpenJDKs?

Re:Difference Amazon OpenJDK / Oracle OpenJDK

[Anonymous Coward]

One of them is developed by an evil company that wants to make money off of every transaction made. The other is developed by a company whose CEO owns an island.

Re: Difference Amazon OpenJDK / Oracle OpenJDK

[Anonymous Coward]

Those are differences of the people creating it, not the the software itself.

Re: Difference Amazon OpenJDK / Oracle OpenJDK

[Anonymous Coward]

There is no difference right now.

Re: Difference Amazon OpenJDK / Oracle OpenJDK

[Anonymous Coward]

This reasoning is why Donald Trump is the President of the United States.

Go fuck yourself with a live cattle prod.

why not use openjdk?

[Anonymous Coward]

so why wouldn't you just use openjdk? why does anyone need an amazon version that they may start charging for?

Re:why not use openjdk?

[jfdavis668]

Because unlike the free OpenJDK, the Amazon one is a No-Cost distribution.

Re:why not use openjdk?

[mangastudent]

Only a few OpenJDK distributions are Java Technical Compatibility Kit (TCK) certified, Sun didn't like handing that capability out as you might remember, refused to give it to Apache. Azul's Zulu is the only other one I know for sure.

Re:why not use openjdk?

[F.Ultra]

Because of this:

Oracle have announced that, “after January 2019”, Java SE 8 public updates will not be available for “business, commercial or production use” without a commercial license.

Re:why not use openjdk?

[Trogre]

This is correct.

Oracle will start charging for Oracle Java, which is derived from openjdk and comes with its nice [citation needed] installer and update client.

However openjdk will still be free (GPL). The problem is that to use it you have to either go through the laborious and poorly-documented process of installing it yourself or find another group that has built an installer for you. Zulu and Corretto are two examples of the latter.

Re: why not use openjdk?

[breun]

Iâ(TM)d also take a look at the AdoptOpenJDK project.

Re:why not use openjdk?

[Luthair]

Standardization. Basically from a support perspective if a business sells you an application which runs on the JVM, they don't want to waste time investigating a problem that turns out to be caused by a janky build someone cobbled together. Generally the OpenJDK will work fine, but eliminating variables will always make problems simpler.

Re:why not use openjdk?

[MrKaos]

so why wouldn't you just use openjdk?

Because it is slow. Every time I've tested it with enterprise software the issue has been performance. It gets there, eventually.

why does anyone need an amazon version that they may start charging for?

I want OpenJDK to work. I haven't tried to nail down specifics however now I'm getting more interested in trying.

There's at least one thing to praise

[demon driver]

The superb name. Hats off to whoever was the genius!

Re:There's at least one thing to praise

[whoever57]

The superb name. Hats off to whoever was the genius!

Indeed.

For those who need an explanation, google "caffe corretto" [my keyboard doesn't have the appropriate characters and, if it did, they probably wouldn't work properly on /.]

Re:There's at least one thing to praise

[angel'o'sphere]

Indeed. Was about to write the same!

Re:There's at least one thing to praise

[angel'o'sphere]

No no no!!

Google for "Espresso Corretto", it does not need special chars :D

Re: Attacked? Trolls HELPED me, lol... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

Enough. Total lack of appropriateness. Calling the fire Marshall

Re: Attacked? Trolls HELPED me, lol... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

He's busy making sure Kanye And Kim have a Home to come to after the wild fires.

Normally

[DaMattster]

I do not cheer any moves by Amazon because I hate the company and it's billionaire dictator, Jeff Bezos. However, this move is a good check against Oracle's influence.

Re:Normally

[breun]

How are they doing anything against Oracle's influence? It was Oracle's choice to no longer provide free OpenJDK updates for more than 6 months, so Oracle practically invited new OpenJDK build providers to step in. So now Amazon joined Red Hat, AdoptOpenJDK, Azul, etc. as an OpenJDK build provider. I don't really get what they add to the providers that were already there, but I guess if you really like Amazon you could prefer Coretto over other free OpenJDK builds.

Re:Normally

[Anonymous Coward]

I do not cheer any moves by Amazon because I hate the company and it's billionaire dictator, Jeff Bezos. However, this move is a good check against Oracle's influence.

Amazon's product catalog is still a piece of shit. It's fuck'n amazing that they can keep selling on their website with a dumpster fire like that on the back-end.

Re: IMPERSONATING ME AGAIN? apk

[Anonymous Coward]

I already owned his ass a couple years ago.

Yes! My Otherkin APK friend!

[Anonymous Coward]

We shall unite in our non-binary sexuality and APK them! Rise up all APK! Fight the APH hate! We shall overcome! All will be APK!

A James Bond movie

[Latent Heat]

This practically begs for a Bond film with two evil masterminds, one owning an island and the other one getting a skim from every monetary transaction ever made. They could fight each other and also Bond, and it could lead to a three-way standoff like in that Clint Eastwood film.

Re:A James Bond movie

[Anonymous Coward]

There are two types of people in this world, my friend: Those who remember "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly", and those who call it "that Clint Eastwood film".

32-bit?

[Latent Heat]

There is still a need for 32-bit Java, especially on Windows as well as OS-X, if you want Java to work through JNI with 32-bit native code apps and modules. I "get" why Linux is all 64-bit because "you have the source to everything" and can recompile it, but there is a lot of stuff in the commercial OSs that looks to be 32-bit for a very long time.

Java 8 looks to be the last one supporting 32-bit in those places, and that has a January 2019 drop dead or pay up date if you want to keep using Eight.

So if you need 32-bit, you are talking Open JDK 8, which is free from Amazon until 2023? A mild reprieve.

I came across Azul Systems (I have nothing to do with them apart from wanting a free 32-bit JDK), a start-up sized company distributing free JDKs and paid-for higher-performance versions, if I understand their Web page.

Re:32-bit?

[angel'o'sphere]

Azul is hardly a startup, it was founded 2002: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

They are known for their super fast Java VM, Zing, which supports better GCs and up and down scaling of memory and cores used: https://www.azul.com/products/...

Finally, their real business was "hardware VMs" with specialized multicore processors for native Java execution (well, I'm sure they do an on the fly byte code to machine code compilation, probably with dynamic optimization as in hotspot): https://www.azul.com/products/...

LMAO! You "pwned" yourself w/ proof... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

See subject & thanks https://science.slashdot.org/c... getting ME to look into that & "lo & behold" HOSTS DO STOP Intel CPU speculative execution weakness (by preventing what uses it to attack you from getting to you (or you to it rather)) - & I KNOW that fact THAT IS KILLING YOU INSIDE stupid (you stopped trying it in your impersonations of me).

SHOW US YOUR PROOF of what you say. You KNOW I'll just toss out what REALLY HAPPENED & you'll look a TOTAL FOOL + expose yourself under your fakename too (double bonus for me).

* No, you WON'T offer PROOF of your LIE of you "owning me" (since it's behind your REGISTERED 'lusr' name, 1 of many sockpuppets you use to farm karma for modpoints & to support your "main identity" FAKE NAME no doubt - yes, we all know the GAME here in the "downmoderation system" of /. - censorship system is more like it).

No, you're just "SUPPORTING YOURSELF" (delusional) by UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous again & losing, lol!

APK

P.S.=> Put out your "proof you owned me" (lie) & I GUARANTEE I "pwned" your ass then too (you won't - you'll "Run, Forrest - RUN!!!" vs. this FAIR challenge & you KNOW it weezil, lol)... apk

I may not know WHO you are but... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

See subject:... I know WHAT you are & so does everyone else by now - you're a STALKER hiding in UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous posts.

* You're a psychotic loser, no questions asked!

APK

P.S.=> IF you fools wouldn't try attack me & FAIL (obviously you have since you HIDE behind AC posts stalking me OR impersonating me) you wouldn't BE "butthurt psychos" STALKING me!

Also, then you wouldn't "F-UP" like I point out you DID HELP ME by getting me to LOOK harder on Intel CPU weaknesses finding hosts DO help prevent them or what uses them from getting to you (& that I THANK YOU FOR & I know it kills you (how? You STOPPED trying that one in your IMPERSONATIONS of me, lol)) https://science.slashdot.org/c...

Blame those impersonating me... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

I only post on hosts IF they stop threats OR speed you up. I don't off topic. HOWEVER: I won't "lay down" to a bunch of losers that don't do a DAMN THING OF VALUE (I do) - I'll defend myself w/ facts they can't beat.

I've got my own "psycho fanclub" IMPERSONATING me & spamming + lying about MY work STALKING me constantly by UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous posts like whackos!

GOOFS like c6gunner CAUGHT IMPERSONATING ME https://linux.slashdot.org/com...

(His name's on that post link as SUBMITTER signing "APK" as I do while he ALTERED users words of praise of my work (since he tried INSULTING me & I issued a FAIR CHALLENGE to him that HE SHOW HE CAN DO BETTER - he hasn't to date).

gweihir PROVED you IMPERSONATE me https://it.slashdot.org/commen... too!

ZIP is a FOOL & A BLOWHARD LIAR vs. https://linux.slashdot.org/com...

APK

P.S.=> I'm not here to lose (it's for LOSERS like ZIP &/or c6gunner - not I): I'm here to WIN & all do that use hosts files ... apk

Attacked? Trolls HELPED me, lol... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

See subject: Exposing they IMPERSONATE me (& stalk me by UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous too) https://it.slashdot.org/commen...

GOOFS like c6gunner CAUGHT IMPERSONATING ME https://linux.slashdot.org/com... too!

(His name's on that post link as SUBMITTER signing "APK" as I do while he ALTERED users words of praise of my work (since he tried INSULTING me & I issued a FAIR CHALLENGE to him that HE SHOW HE CAN DO BETTER - he hasn't to date).

* ESPECIALLY WHEN I POINTED OUT THEY'RE HELPING ME HERE https://science.slashdot.org/c...

That 2nd link?

ROTFLMAO - I totally KNOW it's KILLING 'em inside THEY HELPED ME, lol - along w/ them CONSTANTLY BEING DOWNMODDED for IMPERSONATING ME & STALKING ME!

APK

P.S.=> Heck - I LOVE IT & I know the weak "not-men" mere "ne'er-do-well" LAZY unskilled moron TROLLS can't STAND it, lol... apk

"yum install java" is complicated?

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually, it's usually installed by default.
I'm not understanding what the problem is.

Re:"yum install java" is complicated?

[Trogre]

dnf install java
apt-get install java

The problem only really exists for those locked into less sophisticated, usually proprietary, operating systems where such conveniences don't exist.

Re:"yum install java" is complicated?

[angel'o'sphere]

That is actually not the problem.

E.g. my last company shipped Java based products to customers ... those customers run Java 8. It does not help if I can upgrade to Java 9, but they can't.

And then again, there are probably API incompatibilities ... e.g. running a Java 8 VM, but basically using deprecated Java 5 APIs, which are finally phased out in Java 9, hence you have to rework/fix the code base before you can do your magical "apt-get".

Re:"yum install java" is complicated?

[MrKaos]

dnf install java apt-get install java

The problem only really exists for those locked into less sophisticated, usually proprietary, operating systems where such conveniences don't exist.

Yeah, until you need to get something done. Don't get me wrong I'm a fan of OpenJDK, but its slow. You might be able to get away with it on a non critical application but there is no way it is enterprise ready.

Re:You /. users need to STOP BULLYING ME... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

Tell me more.

Gladly! I need 30 people who want to join my team! You must be a self-starter and highly motivated! This is going to happen with or without you. This is a ground floor opportunity. You can be your own boss and develop a supplemental income stream that will help you attain your grandest dreams! Can I call upon you with more details?

Available for free

[Anonymous Coward]

"wants to make sure Java is available for free to its users"
Wrong. It's available free to users. "For free" makes exactly NO sense, folks. It's not "for" ANYTHING, it's simply free. Free stands on its own.
Mod me down if you wish, no worries. I'm just trying to effect a lilbit of necessary change. It's not you, /. readers/posters, it's the school system that failed you. I'm old enough to recall when English was taught well, and used well.

Ellison vs. Bezos

[EnOne]

I'm not sure if this is linked but last month there was a business insider article about how Amazon had moved it's warehouse databases off of Oracle. And that this database change was the reason for a crash on Prime Day.

From the article "And on Monday at the Oracle OpenWorld keynote, Ellison compared Amazon's database to a semi-autonomous car, saying, 'You get in, you start driving, you die.' "

Amazon saw an opportunity to fire back a Oracle and took it.

openjdk vs. oracle speed

[weberjn]

I checked with the dacapo bench, Oracle has an about 10% performance advantage. Feel free to repeat the test.

java -jar dacapo-9.12-MR1-bach.jar -C lusearch

OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 25.191-b12, mixed mode)

===== DaCapo 9.12-MR1 lusearch PASSED in 1218 msec =====
===== DaCapo 9.12-MR1 xalan PASSED in 1284 msec =====

Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 25.191-b12, mixed mode)

===== DaCapo 9.12-MR1 lusearch PASSED in 1118 msec =====
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Re:openjdk vs. oracle speed

[weberjn]

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Re:openjdk vs. oracle speed

[MrKaos]

Thanks