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Ajit Pai Wants To Raise Rural Broadband Speeds From 10Mbps To 25Mbps (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: The Federal Communications Commission is planning to raise the rural broadband standard from 10Mbps to 25Mbps in a move that would require faster Internet speeds in certain government-subsidized networks. The FCC's Connect America Fund (CAF) distributes more than $1.5 billion a year to AT&T, CenturyLink, and other carriers to bring broadband to sparsely populated areas. Carriers that use CAF money to build networks must provide speeds of at least 10Mbps for downloads and 1Mbps for uploads. The minimum speed requirement was last raised in December 2014.

Today, FCC Chairman Ajit Pai said he's proposing raising that standard from 10Mbps/1Mbps to 25Mbps/3Mbps. "[W]'re recognizing that rural Americans need and deserve high-quality services by increasing the target speeds for subsidized deployments from 10/1 Mbps to 25/3 Mbps," Pai wrote in a blog post that describes agenda items for the FCC's December 12 meeting. "[T]he program should support high-quality services; rural Americans deserve services that are comparable to those in urban areas," Pai also wrote.
The new speeds "will apply to future projects but won't necessarily apply to broadband projects that are already receiving funding," Ars notes. "For ongoing projects, the FCC will use incentives to try to raise speeds. More money will be offered to carriers that agree to upgrade speeds to 25Mbps/3Mbps, a senior FCC official said in a conference call with reporters."

135 comments

  1. And providers will do as they always have done. by Chas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They'll take the money, pad their bottom lines, and continue NOT actually improving the state of rural broadband.

    Also, betting the window on actual implementation is so far into the future that this is nothing more than a blatant present to them anyhow.

    We plan to boost the definition of broadband to 25Mbps! In 2025!
    Implementation? Maybe about the time that 25Gbps is in common use everywhere BUT rural areas!

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    1. Re:And providers will do as they always have done. by ssladam · · Score: 2

      Exactly right. It's easy to see why this is being done: rural customers are a cinch for ISP's to claim that the upgrade isn't profitable. They'll get a new, hefty payout from Uncle Sam to cut in the upgrade over the next (10? 20?) years. They'll execute the upgrade in a few key markets to prove they're actually getting work done, while 90% of the job is ignored, while 100% of the cash is taken.

    2. Re:And providers will do as they always have done. by garcia · · Score: 1

      I have DSL at my lake home. Itâ(TM)s 1.3mbit/290k. Clearly theyâ(TM)re already doing it today; this is just more for them.

    3. Re:And providers will do as they always have done. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only way this will change is for the broadband providers who have already taken money and not provided what they promised, to see their C-level executives put up against a wall and shot. To encourage the others.

    4. Re:And providers will do as they always have done. by kerashi · · Score: 1

      I have about that same speed at my vacation home. Actually the upstream is lower I think. However, the local electric cooperative is working on installing fiber, so maybe in a few years I'll either have fiber there, or CenturyLink will upgrade its network.

      My home connection is 10 megabit DSL. I'd love more, but I consider myself lucky to have that.

    5. Re:And providers will do as they always have done. by Harlequin80 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Why not just have the money paid on connection?

      Think of it bounty style. Everytime you connect someone at 25/3 or higher your will get $X. Overtime X increases. That way providers will hit the low hanging fruit first. And then come back for the hard ones once X is high enough.

    6. Re:And providers will do as they always have done. by Sir+Lurkalot · · Score: 1

      Up-vote this post...

    7. Re:And providers will do as they always have done. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop posting like an immigrant

    8. Re:And providers will do as they always have done. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read the headline: "Ajit Pai Wants To Raise Rural Broadband Speeds From 10Mbps To 25Mbps"
      Okay, sounds like a good thing, but he's a lobbyist for the cable industry so how do they profit from this?

      I read the quotes: "rural Americans need and deserve high-quality services" and "rural Americans deserve services that are comparable to those in urban areas"
      Yes, okay, also sounds like a good thing, but he's still a lobbyist so where's the profit?

      I get to the end: "More money will be offered to carriers that agree to upgrade speeds to 25Mbps/3Mbps"
      There it is.

      captcha: upgrade. Seriously. That's the word.

    9. Re:And providers will do as they always have done. by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

      I'm rural, and happy with Windstream. When I first got DSL, 1.5 down/384k up was the limit for my distance from CO. Next guy down the line is too far away... When they offered me 3 down, I tried it but couldn't maintain a connection... back to 1.5.

      2 years ago, massive fiber rollout... I now get 6down/1up, and could get 16 down but I think I will have that distance problem. And with some basic shaping (so I can do homework when competing with multiple streams) it is tolerable for all but gaming. When I get my frag on, I drop the rest of the house network. No ports blocked etc.

      But.... as part of that fiber roll out... I watched them place fiber in the ground not 100 yards from my desk. Coming from the phone junction in the next town over (I have an address in one town and phone number exchange from another...my neighbors same, but opposite). I asked 'em if I would be able to hook into it, and nope. It is to extend their DSL offering "further out thataway". Even jokingly asked if a few bottles of top shelf bourbon showed up in their work truck if maybe a solar powered wireless unit would show up or something that I could latch on to :) ... they were tempted, but no dice.

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    10. Re:And providers will do as they always have done. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read the headline: "Ajit Pai Wants To Raise Rural Broadband Speeds From 10Mbps To 25Mbps" Okay, sounds like a good thing, but he's a lobbyist for the cable industry so how do they profit from this?

      It was surgically selected to bias funding dollars toward cable operators in order to allow Cable networks to continue to meet criteria.

      DSL and Wireless generally won't see above 10mbit down IRL in rural low density settings yet upload capability is more in line with download.

      Only cable operators deliver high downstream yet persist with ridiculous disparities between downstream and upstream capabilities. The 8x capability disparity baked into the definition is targeted specifically to give cable operators a pass on their miserable upstream capability while concurrently disqualifying competition.

    11. Re:And providers will do as they always have done. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How does one "post like an immigrant"? Do tell.

    12. Re:And providers will do as they always have done. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good idea++

    13. Re:And providers will do as they always have done. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      That way providers will hit the low hanging fruit first.

      So just widen the technological gap that already exists?

    14. Re:And providers will do as they always have done. by MrL0G1C · · Score: 0

      Because the FCC's goal under Ajit is not to give people better broad-band, it's to give the big ISPs more money.

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    15. Re:And providers will do as they always have done. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So continue doing exactly what they've been doing for the past 10-15 years? Alright then.

    16. Re:And providers will do as they always have done. by vtcodger · · Score: 1

      "That way providers will hit the low hanging fruit first."

      Yep. Everyone in the country seat within 600 meters of the provider's office will get access to high speed internet. And the corporate officers will get a bonus

      "And then come back for the hard ones ..." ... Sometime in the Summer of 4692 BCE..

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    17. Re:And providers will do as they always have done. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They'll take the money, pad their bottom lines, and continue NOT actually improving the state of rural broadband.

      Also, betting the window on actual implementation is so far into the future that this is nothing more than a blatant present to them anyhow.

      We plan to boost the definition of broadband to 25Mbps! In 2025!
      Implementation? Maybe about the time that 25Gbps is in common use everywhere BUT rural areas!

      This * 1000.

      Anything that comes out of Shitty Pie's mouth means nothing.

    18. Re:And providers will do as they always have done. by Chas · · Score: 1

      DSL is absolute shit technology.

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    19. Re:And providers will do as they always have done. by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      WTF? Did someone give the Ajit mod points, FML.

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    20. Re:And providers will do as they always have done. by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

      Perhaps. But given the choice between my DSL and RFC1149 or dialup... I'll take the DSL thanks.

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  2. 25Mbit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it's upstream, then we've got a deal.
    Rates like 25Mbit down / 1Mbit up are severely limiting if you want to participate in online society.

    Try uploading a 10 minute 1080p60 video at 1Mbit.

    1. Re: 25Mbit? by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      I don't know how we will survive without your high definition, high framerate videos of cows grazing ... God forbid it take more than 15 minutes for you to upload it!

    2. Re: 25Mbit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People live in the country for all manner of reasons. Belittling them does no good. I live 7 miles outside of town, but I have 400/50 at $45 month. Deal. I live out where I live because I hate the hustle and bustle of the city and the general demographic in town is less than desirable. I've been in IT for over 20 years and 25/1 is pathetic. In the EU (even rural), 25/1 would be laughable. I can put a dent in my own pipe with gaming, several kids, a wife, and a TV all on the Internet at the same time. Not everyone has the same needs, and quite a few people who live in the country do so to avoid the negatives of the city. Not everyone who lives outside the city limits is a redneck or country bumpkin. My wife is a doctor, and I'm in IT. All of my neighbors are likewise successful, with many being employers in the own right.

    3. Re: 25Mbit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know how we will survive without your high definition, high framerate videos of cows grazing

      Mock it all you like, but it's precisely the expansion of utilities (and roads) that expands business. Instead of outsourcing jobs to other countries as part of an expansion, they can expand them to areas in the US with native speakers, capable of relatively easy relocation, and a large pool of relatively cheap labor with a sufficient education to do quite a lot for a business.

      God forbid it take more than 15 minutes for you to upload it!

      Time is money. Being able to rely upon your employees ability to work from home if necessary, on trips across the country to find reliable fast wifi, etc. All that is of substantial value, just as knowing wherever you travel there is clean water, electricity, and roads capable of high speed travel. Discount all that, and you fundamental cripple how a country can work as an interconnected whole.

      Or do you think 95% of the US is fly-over country? Where do you think your food is grown and a lot of your goods are assembled? But, yea, let's de facto work to reinforce the northeast and west as the cultural hubs. I'm sure that's not going to backfire.

    4. Re: 25Mbit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good comments. I would not live in the city limits if you paid me. I live almost 10 miles outside of my nearest city and my job is 25 miles away in the opposite direction. What passes for socially-acceptable behavior would not fly out here. The demographics in the cities are out of touch with reality. Men entering women's restrooms, gang-related gunfire at night (and sometimes day), and all manner of other stupidities. These same people would never dare venture out and act the way they do in the cities. Break-ins are rare, home invasions are rare because the thugs know full well everyone in the sticks is armed to the teeth. This is Texas, a castle law state. 99% of home defense shootings never even see a courtroom. And Texas has laws on the books to prevent surviving thugs and their families from suing a defending homeowner from both criminal and civil penalties resulting from the thug(s) getting too much lead in their diet or taking a bat to the skull or getting shredded from protection dogs. My own fence shows a silhouette of a Belgian Malinois that read "I can make it to the fence in 1.5 seconds. Can you?"

    5. Re: 25Mbit? by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      I also live outside of town, surrounded by farm fields. No need to get your panties in a bunch.

  3. You forgot the part where by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    he takes a well paid job at a AT&T after his resignation...

  4. Corruption by WaffleMonster · · Score: 2

    The definition specifically caters to cable broadband providers who have shitty upstream and infinite downstream.

    The actual 706 definition of broadband makes no distinction of any kind between sending and receiving. It is about capabilities not directionality.

    If it must take 25 mbit to "receive" high quality voice, data, graphics and video then it must also be true that 25 mbit is required to "originate" the same.

    1. Re:Corruption by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

      Except in the US almost all connections except for true business class (ie, comes with a SLA) are meant to consume data, not generate it. Well, beyond the initial request for the latest stream of the Kardashians or whatever and any TCP ACK traffic related to consuming.

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    2. Re:Corruption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about video calls from grandparents to kids and vice versa?
      Family vacation uploads?
      Local sports (i.e. high school)?

    3. Re:Corruption by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

      Except in the US almost all connections except for true business class (ie, comes with a SLA) are meant to consume data, not generate it. Well, beyond the initial request for the latest stream of the Kardashians or whatever and any TCP ACK traffic related to consuming.

      The point of government involvement WRT CAF funding is ensuring equal opportunity in underserved markets. The question is whether you can work from home (voice, video conferences, remote data access, telemedicine..etc) and do your homework.

      While streaming Kardashians may be important to you it's totally irrelevant to the topic at hand.

    4. Re:Corruption by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I disagree. The topic at hand is to somehow keep the natives lulled, not to let them participate in meaningful activity. In other words, yes, the goal is to give the Kardasians (or however these useless cunts are spelled) to the masses.

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    5. Re:Corruption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All providers that rely on cable or telephone lines have shitty upstream because the systems were initially built that way. Also you can probably imagine why they would want to keep upload speeds low

    6. Re:Corruption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If that's all that's available to them, that's all they'll do. I've seen plenty of friend upload video game clips and tried it out myself. On 380kbps it takes half an hour to upload 30 seconds of video and your internet connection runs terrible for other things during the same time.

    7. Re:Corruption by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

      I disagree. The topic at hand is to somehow keep the natives lulled, not to let them participate in meaningful activity. In other words, yes, the goal is to give the Kardasians (or however these useless cunts are spelled) to the masses.

      On what basis do you disagree? Keeping couch potatoes happy isn't mentioned in the CAF documents anywhere. The relevant legislation (47 USC 1302) makes the purpose and priorities quite clear.

      My comment is not about denying couch potatoes access to Kardasians. It's simply stating that's not the point of enabling legislation and FCC initiatives to that end. It's about making sure people can use the Internet for the full range of purposes expressed in the legislation. 10mbit is more than enough to download Kardasians 3mbit is NOT more than enough to be a Kardasian and upload your performance given most end user systems lack the capability to leverage high efficiency complexity codecs in real time. A luxury easily afforded to streaming providers.

    8. Re:Corruption by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      C'mon, you don't put that into writing. Did they put "to keep the blacks where we think they belong" when they wrote the Jim Crow laws?

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    9. Re:Corruption by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

      C'mon, you don't put that into writing. Did they put "to keep the blacks where we think they belong" when they wrote the Jim Crow laws?

      WTF!? Is there an objective basis for your claim?

  5. Give ATT & VZW more $ to throttle broadband by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Subsidized unlimited throttling. My tax $ at play.

  6. Why? by quonset · · Score: 2

    Why are the U.S. taxpayers subsidizing these failing industries? Look at Comcast. They only had $4.3 billion in free cash flow in the second quarter of 2018. Why should we pour more of our hard earned money down the drain for a company which can't survive without its corporate welfare payments?

    And what about Verizon? They've only had $26.2 billion in free cash flow so far this year. What a travesty that such a failing company has to beg for money from the taxpayers.

  7. isn't this the same moron.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    that pushed to LOWER it to 10mbps in the first place?

    1. Re:isn't this the same moron.. by ClickOnThis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Came here to say that. You beat me to it.

      All this Newspeak is double-plus-ungood.

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    2. Re:isn't this the same moron.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that pushed to LOWER it to 10mbps in the first place?

      Sure. How else would you justify pumping more free money into telcom industries for doing nothing? You could continue raising the limits but it will look bad if the goal posts move further and further from what is actually there. So instead, move the goalposts back and forth and whenever you move forward, dump a load of cash into the telcom industry for doing squat. Then move the goalposts backwards and claim that broadband connectivity has vastly increased in return for the money you dumped into the industry. Rinse and repeat.

  8. What about the market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hold on... The Republicans keep telling us that the market should sort out these issues. But I guess when that doesn't work for their constituents, it's fine to shove government money at it.

    Note that I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy. I support higher (much higher) broadband requirements for the whole country.

    1. Re: What about the market? by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      A free market should sort out an existing government subsidy program?

      Commies say the darndest things ...

  9. he should get a job at Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See, he really isn't evil

  10. equivalent junk by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    rural Americans deserve services that are comparable to those in urban areas

    I live in a fairly well-populated area, and the choices/service sucks royal rotting eggs. If that's the standard, good luck.

  11. Re:Ajit Pai flails at windmills for your amusement by jriding · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And here is the only reason for this!
    "For ongoing projects, the FCC will use incentives to try to raise speeds. More money will be offered to carriers that agree to upgrade speeds to 25Mbps/3Mbps,"

    So I noticed you had submitted a project plan to be implemented by 2090 for broadband. Since you have already submitted the plan we will now offer you even more money to make it 25/3.

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  12. We should be like Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are rural? Too bad.

  13. What rural Americans 'deserve'. by evought · · Score: 2

    ...rural Americans deserve services that are comparable to those in urban areas..."

    Why? I am a 'rural American' and even I don't agree with that. I expect that there are costs to living in the middle of nowhere and connectivity is going to be one of them. Besides, as many people have pointed out, we have flushed gobs of public money down that hole before and got nothing. I still don't have the ISDN service out here the industry was subsidized to provide years ago. In fact, the phone service theoretically available out here doesn't even reliably support dial-up. We depend on a radio link to the next town, but that is my problem, not that of 'urban Americans'.

    [Actually, the fixed radio link works surprisingly well. Much better than the land-line didn't. Except when there is lightning. Anywhere.]

    1. Re:What rural Americans 'deserve'. by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Well, they grant them monopolies, which is the real problem Comcast quotes homeowners here $240,000 per mile to extend the cable line to the next house.

      That's not free market pricing, obviously. Interstate highways only cost 4x that amount per mile.

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    2. Re:What rural Americans 'deserve'. by Harlequin80 · · Score: 2

      I think it might be the definition of comparable. And it's also Politician speak.

      I don't think a baseline connectivity standard is a bad thing to aim for. Targetting 10/1 or 25/3 for rural doesn't mean that equals urban populations. Most urban populations should really be looking at 100/100 on todays tech. Fiber to the curb and gpon tech to the house does that with bucket loads of capacity to spare.

      But for day to day outcomes for most people, having a 10/1 or 25/3 stable connection is comparable to having 100/100. No your google drive won't sync instantly, but most outcomes at a population level would be comparable.

    3. Re:What rural Americans 'deserve'. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, they grant them monopolies, which is the real problem Comcast quotes homeowners here $240,000 per mile to extend the cable line to the next house.

      That's not free market pricing, obviously. Interstate highways only cost 4x that amount per mile.

      Government can do things at scales that make large projects feasible. A competent bureaucracy can design bidding requirements such that they achieve a near optimum result, even if they have to go through several rounds that take years. They can insure the contracts have teeth and are not just blind cost plus contracts. If there is the will to provide broadband to say the next easiest group to serve, then it can be done for a reasonable cost. That doesn't mean you bring gigabit to everyone 15 miles from the nearest town, but you do what is reasonable where the numbers make sense.

      That being said, Government has been bad about enforcing things in the past. That needs to end. Also, don't give money to companies that have well not lived up to their promises. If anything sue them and shake them down to address the losses for when they defaulted on promised work. (Just in case someone wants to point out that those companies will just hit us up for the cash. Maybe maybe not. If your hurt a corrupt company enough that they pay through the nose for their damages, they can be driven out of business, and then a less corrupt company takes their place. Making corrupt companies pay may cost short term, but long term is another matter.)

      Trump's insane tax cut is going to cost something like 6 trillion dollars by 2027. We were deep in the red before it, so clearly couldn't afford it, but if your going to invest, well, broadband to the next easiest groups of people isn't a horrible investment and will probably have some economic returns. There is also some potential to save on some environmental damage and keep oil prices down a bit through work at home and such

    4. Re:What rural Americans 'deserve'. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. Every word out of these guys' mouths is just BS and spin. I live in a rural area (not as remote as you, though). What I resent is that tax money is given to giant profitable corporations who SUPPOSEDLY are providing broadband to rural areas but it is total bullshit. They only have to supply a tiny percentage of rural homes to claim the subsidies, so they cherry-pick a few easy to supply homes and collect the money, and pretend like everyone is happy. I would (not literally) kill someone to get 10 Mbits. I am typing this over a T1 connection. I pay over 400/month. Only other choice is satellite which is even worse (because of lag and we use internet for voice also). I get 1.5 Mbits up and down all day and there is never congestion. But it is never more than 1.5 Mbits, either.

    5. Re:What rural Americans 'deserve'. by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      It doesn't make sense to extend broadband to every remote house. There is an economic case to be made for extending it to rural towns and farms. That said, I think the sensible economic case is for perhaps 5 Mbps -- giving rural towns/farms 25 Mbps so they can watch 4K video without buffering isn't going to improve the local economy any more than a basic 5 Mbps.

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    6. Re:What rural Americans 'deserve'. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why? I am a 'rural American' and even I don't agree with that. I expect that there are costs to living in the middle of nowhere and connectivity is going to be one of them.

      Exactly. It's silly to think you'd get mail, electricity, or phone service if you don't live in a city of at least 10,000 people. I mean, what sort of sense would it be to actually guarantee universal access to basic services to virtually everyone even if it's not always something that's directly transferable at cost per person? Oh, right, the setting of basic services to everyone improves the lives and the expectations of everyone, including diversifying the potential economy/industry that occurs at every location. Such is a good thing and taking steps backwards from this is bad.

      Besides, as many people have pointed out, we have flushed gobs of public money down that hole before and got nothing.

      Now this I agree with. Further, I'd argue the actual standard should be substantially higher precisely to make it something that telcos have to work for instead of, as others point out, a means of technically qualifying with 5G coverage. It should also be the case that the average rate should be priced such that it's actually affordable (just like electricity providers are regulated). Personally, I think the government should buy the lines and resell them to multiple providers. Build-out should then be done on contract by the government. Breaking the monopolies and ensuring the lines actually exist should for competition be the key focus, not figuring out which telcos to pay for doing nothing or next to nothing.

    7. Re:What rural Americans 'deserve'. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had fiber run half a mile in town. It ran me $3,000 USD for installation. Depending on the level of service I pay $120 USD - $200 / month. The cost to run the lines aren't much. The cost of leasing access to telephone poles is the problem. I was lucky and the polls were already leased by my ISP. A friend of mine who wanted to get service and could get service was quoted $17,000 from the same company to run the line and lived closer to multiple junction boxes than I did. A lot closer. He could spit and hit multiple junction boxes. There were only a handful of poles that the ISP would have to connect wire to before reaching the junction box. The big difference was the poles were not leased from the city so ultimately the real issue was that of taxation and monopoly rather than there being a significant cost to running wires. The price of service would have been the same as the quote was all from the same company. Governments have essentially created there own problems with taxation and monopolies. It has nothing to do with actual costs of rolling out services.

      I advocate free markets and am against programs to redistribute funds from taxpayers to other private parties regardless of what we're talking about. Natural monopolies tend to only half exist providing the laws don't permit giving exclusive access. It should be easier to gain access to telephone poles. Companies should not have a monopoly here and cities should not price things exorbitantly as to be a tax funding mechanism for cities. Everything from electricity to to internet to water and sewer could potentially be open to competition. Even policing can be opened up to competition. But nut jobs on the left and right can't imagine a world where competition rules and they've lost any amount of power. Such is government and government jobs be it school teachers or politicians these jobs always attract control freaks.

    8. Re:What rural Americans 'deserve'. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't make sense to extend broadband to every remote house.

      This is not about extending broadband to every remote house but about extending broadband subsidies to every remote house. Nobody is going to actually install lines there (and actually, getting DSL would usually be already a big step forward for many, but it would be a lousy talking point by now).

    9. Re:What rural Americans 'deserve'. by 4im · · Score: 2

      I still don't have the ISDN service out here the industry was subsidized to provide years ago. In fact, the phone service theoretically available out here doesn't even reliably support dial-up.

      Seriously? What kind of 3rd-world country is that? North Korea?

      With even ISDN being decommissioned around here (western Europe), I guess we should petition our telecom providers to donate their old stuff, maybe Orange Guy will even consider is as NATO payment.

      Sheesh!

      And please don't tell us about low-density areas, Scandinavia has those, and they still have decent
      connections.

  14. Never enough. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just wanted to add a single comment that wasn't a salty liberal who will never be satisfied with anything people on the other team say, do, suggest, or try.

    > D-drumpf! !

  15. Re: And providers will do as they always have done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uhh, you wow a hostile comment when the FCC declined to raise the minimum broadband speed a few years ago.

    Hypocrite

  16. FUCK C6GUMMER THE NAZI FAGGOT IN THE ASS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WITH A METAL RAKE

  17. Ajit is a moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rural broadband speeds are not even close to 10mbps. Try 1.5mbps or if I moved down the road I could possibly get 5mbps

  18. Rural? by bob4u2c · · Score: 2

    I'm defiantly not in a Rural area, I'm within about 2 miles of a California State University, but they "best" AT&T can do here is 1.5Mb download. The tech on the phone could only boost that to 1.8Mb if he really tried and it would error out frequently at that speed. So how in the heck are they going to do that for some place 20 miles out of town when they can't even provide that a few miles from their main branch?

    Is this another hand out to telecommunication carriers because people are dropping phone and cable services?

    1. Re:Rural? by davesays · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We have already *paid* them to provide it, and they CAN. That they don't is another question.

    2. Re:Rural? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm defiantly not in a Rural area,

      Why defiant? So much attitude!

    3. Re:Rural? by bob4u2c · · Score: 1

      Why defiant? So much attitude!

      Did you not catch the living in a college town part?

      Down with the man's rules! Down with the government! Down with everything!!!

    4. Re:Rural? by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      I'm defiantly not in a Rural area,

      Why defiant? So much attitude!

      definite -> definate -> defiant

      misspelling + dyslexia = serendipitous meaning

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    5. Re:Rural? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welcome to California, where the local government not only supports widespread sodomy, but engages, without permission, in it using it's populous as the cock sleeve. Enjoy your progressive utopia!

      -- Someone living in a red state that lives in a rural area, sees deer all the time, but still manages to get 210Mb/12Mb for $50.00/month (http://www.speedtest.net/result/7817349960)

    6. Re:Rural? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This! My parents live in San Antonio (the 7th most populous city in the US, so definitely not rural), and they have the same crappy service from AT&T. I'm currently seeing 1.21Mbps down and 285Kbps up. And for this awesome service, they pay $40-something a month (plus tax).

      My uncle, who is a farmer and lives in a smaller town outside of San Antonio, has fiber from AT&T running into his house.

    7. Re:Rural? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can install a wireless bridge from CSU campus to your place. 2 miles is easy to cover by a UBNT 5GHz bridge

  19. Why not 100MB or 1GB? by cliffjumper222 · · Score: 2

    Good idea but why not push for 100MB and just be done with it? If you are going to lay a cable to a rural location just make it fibre already. Or, if it's going to be wireless, used fixed 5G or something fast.

    1. Re:Why not 100MB or 1GB? by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      Most likely because he's going to push the Internet over power lines solution, which runs at about that speed.

      Can't let the rural folks get their hands on Internet 3 with our 100GB ports at most major sites and 40GB ports in almost every building, after all.

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  20. Sound and Fury by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    signifying no real broadband delivered to people for the most part

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  21. Steering dollars to 5G from Connect America Fund? by AtariDatacenter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The current standards for the Connect America were kept low so that they could show a map full of territory that is covered with 'high speed broadband Internet access'. The FCC wanted to look good.

    Now that we're on the cusp of 5G, the FCC wants to change the rules of the Connect America (Slush) Fund to turn it into a giveaway for 5G wireless providers (such as his former corporate employer).

    They need the number to be high enough to knock out many of the existing landline offerings (often local or regional companies), but at the same time low enough not to significantly obligate those 5G providers to offer significantly more than they want to.

    It is a delightful balancing act of minimal levels and timing that is used to shift the reward from wired landline providers to wireless providers. I'm sure his sponsors couldn't have asked for anything more.

  22. Fuck Ajit Pai by Nick · · Score: 1

    Fuck Ajit Pai

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  23. Ajit Pai... by c · · Score: 2

    ... talks up yet another scheme to funnel taxpayer money to big telcos.

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  24. How about getting them above 56 Kb/s DSL first by Streetlight · · Score: 1

    NT.

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  25. Rural? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I live in Rural King County 2 miles north of Redmond and I can only get DSL at 7mbs max. What is the 10mbs BS.

  26. Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Define Broadband as MIN of 200Mbps/30Mbps D/U. Force these companies to innovate if they want those sweet sweet subsidies.

  27. Municipal Broadband roadblocked in 20 states by najajomo · · Score: 2

    "Ajit Pai Wants To Raise Rural Broadband Speeds From 10Mbps To 25Mbps

    One way would be to stop impeding municipal districts implimenting their own broadband infrastructure.

    Municipal Broadband Is Roadblocked or Outlawed in 20 States

    1. Re:Municipal Broadband roadblocked in 20 states by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Ajit Pai Wants To Raise Rural Broadband Speeds From 10Mbps To 25Mbps

      One way would be to stop impeding municipal districts implimenting their own broadband infrastructure.

      Municipal Broadband Is Roadblocked or Outlawed in 20 States

      Another would be to fix outdated broadband maps based on flawed survey methodology claiming there is coverage when there isn't: https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/24/17882842/us-internet-broadband-map-isp-fcc-wireless-competition

      "the FCC’s methodology declares an entire ZIP code as “served” with broadband if just one home in an entire census block has it. As a result, the government routinely declares countless markets connected and competitive when reality tells a very different story."

  28. Re:Ajit Pai flails at windmills for your amusement by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 0

    Just in case anyone doesn't know the politics behind this: The telcos being subsidized are big donors to the Republican Party, and the rural customers who may (eventually) benefit are mostly Republican voters.

    This is what is so wonderful about America: In many other countries, bribery and corruption occurs in the shadows, but here in the USA it is fully legal and done openly and shamelessly.

  29. Simpler than most are saying... by irving47 · · Score: 1

    This is simply a "throw them a bone" move from Pai to an incoming Democratic-controlled house of reps. An attempt to not have them call him in an crawl up his ass like they did Zuckerberg.

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  30. Re: And providers will do as they always have done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They could also provide the speeds noted and aggressively pursue bandwidth caps/charges. Does not really matter if they provide 100 down when the tap runs dry.

  31. Re:Ajit Pai flails at windmills for your amusement by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    I'd be happy to get those speeds here in silicon valley without going to Comcast...

  32. With some changes in FCC antenna laws... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or better permitting for individual point to point links in less restricted bands, like 2.4/5ghz wifi you guys could set up either a star topology network with towers on the largest nearby hilltop, plateau or mountain, or run farm to farm wireless meshes to get you to someone with access to backbone internet.

    Honestly, that is what I am most disappointed about. We've got up to gigabit wifi available now and given point to point antenna clustering, it would not be hard to get high bandwidth internet access anywhere in the world for a few grand at most. And that is including batteries, wind/solar, but not including the tower they are affixed to .Costs there will vary and some people might have better opportunities like a barn, tall tree, etc that negates the need for a tower. The digital infrastructure needed is comparitvely cheap, especially when you consider the cost of laying a mile of fiber.

  33. Re:Ajit Pai flails at windmills for your amusement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmmmmm...sweet tax payer dollars.....oh yet Ajit, send me some more of those sweet sweet dollars....

  34. Re:Ajit Pai flails at windmills for your amusement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're made that Republican Party elected as representatives are representing the people who elected them?

  35. Re: Ajit Pai flails at windmills for your amusemen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh that's interesting. I guess the rural Democrats had to move to the city when they couldn't own slaves anymore. You can thank the Republicans for standing up and fighting to end slavery, by the way.

  36. Pai by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pai Shouldnâ(TM)t get to comfortable. He will be out in his ass when Treasonous Trump is defeated soundly in 2020.

  37. Re: And providers will do as they always have done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hardly; the previous guy wasn't a bough-and-paid-for chump without an ounce of apparent good will towards consumers. Not to undercut the good that will likely come to a select few customers, but take a step back and try to understand who primarily benefits from this.

  38. Re: Ajit Pai flails at windmills for your amusemen by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 0

    I guess the rural Democrats had to move to the city when they couldn't own slaves anymore.

    Nope. They just switched political parties after LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act.

  39. CenturyLink by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It has done NOTHING to raise rural broadband. The cellular carriers are doing a better job. How about giving them the money, FCC? At least they will build towers and expand access.

  40. Re:Steering dollars to 5G from Connect America Fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The copper guys just aren't investing in their infrastructure at all. I live next to one of those ISPs and I can honestly tell you they pad their management, purchase low grade overseas equipment, oversubscribe their equipment and use shady business practices to never remove customers from services they have requested MULTIPLE times to drop. I know MANY former employees on the inside who are frustrated by the directions of this particular ISP as well as a couple others. They know full well their business isn't going to do anything.

    Why continue to prop up these dinosaurs? If it is true he's catering to 5G carriers, who gives a crap. The consumer needs to be steered away from landline carriers who have done nothing but take the funds and do nothing with the infrastructure.

  41. Re:Ajit Pai flails at windmills for your amusement by jwhyche · · Score: 2

    Coming up next! Ajit Pai apologizes profusely for taking the job of selling out his fellow consumers and then resigns in disgrace.

    Pay no attention to him. He is just trying to buy his way out of hell.

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  42. Raising the Speed Is Useless by WindowsStar · · Score: 1

    Raising the speed in rural areas is useless. Every time I call Comcast, CenturyLink or Verizon they say it will cost them 5 million dollars to put the infrastructure the area. Then they say even if every customer in the area subscribed for their most expensive service it would still take 200 years to break even. All of them say it is NOT cost effective to put infrastructure in rural areas. So raising the speed from 10Mb to 25Mb will not help in any way. Forcing these giant ISPs to install the infrastructure would at least provide "a" connection to the internet when there is none now.

  43. Rural Broadband by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I own a small broadband provider. I am always watching this money go into the local tel co and my customers are told they have upgraded the lines and off the rush. Then slowly one by one they come back because they didn't really fix the underlying issues. I have been trying to get funding for years to start rolling fiber. I am close but I know just as I make it happen they will give the big guys a bunch of money and they will roll a head of me.

    the amount of waste these people do is amazing. for a small fraction of what they spend putting fiber on poles I could have it in the ground and give jobs to the local community to boot.

    I wish people would support the local smaller guys more.

    any body want to help?

  44. Not gonna happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) ISPs receive funding.
    2) The definition of "rural" is changed.
    3) ISPs pocket the dough.
    4) Profit!

  45. My fiber is 20/20 and it isn't "broadband"? Wow!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My fiber connection is 20/20 and isn't "broadband" under this definition. I fund that humorous and just plain ridicules. While down speeds are slower than a typical cable internet connection these days my up speeds are 6x faster during prime time hours than a cable internet connection would be here. This sounds more like cable company manipulation of definitions for private gain rather than any real argument to benefit consumers.

    Up until three years ago when I moved I had always gone with ADSL, which was more honest in advertising available speeds, but lived within an area that service coverage was good. Down speeds were 10-25Mbps three to five years ago depending on where I was living and certainly within what I'd consider to be broadband.

    If we are going to change the definition of broadband it should be more along the lines of gigabit fiber and actually make internet service providers invest in rolling out real infrastructure upgrades. Not give cable companies a means of securing an advantage in the current broadband market.

    The reality is it's not cost effective to bring fiber internet access to rural areas and I think people simply need to take that into consideration when making purchasing decisions. Otherwise the argument goes that tax payers should subsidize it and that really means the rest of America is going to pay a very high price for it and that isn't right. I don't object to rolling out fiber in cities, towns, and even villages potentially. The problem comes into play when you argue that my taxes should go up significantly to pay for farmer bill to get faster connection in low density farming country. If it's not cost effective to pay thousands of dollars a month in access fees and hundreds of thousands to get a fast internet connection out to your farm then its time to consider taking up a house in a town or village nearby where the density is such that broadband can be reasonably rolled out at cost effective prices that service can be afforded without stealing from other people.

    The ruse that you need a 25/3 internet connection for education is utterly ridicules. A 5/512kb connection is adequate. In fact I cut back to a 1.5Mbps connection 5 years ago and survived just fine. I wasn't even in a rural area. A speed I should point out was free or super low cost at the time for people on welfare. I was not on welfare and if it was adequate for me running a tech business it seems ridicules to argue the speeds need to be set at what they are arguing.

    What we really need is competition in the broadband market. Cable TV companies were handed a monopoly in the 1980s by governments and we're suffering the consequences of that now. Regulations were suppose to solve that but those regulations were eliminated. We need a truly free market, not more regulations, definitions, or subsidies. We know what happens when when we do that sort of thing and the end results aren't ideal.

    If broadband is going to be defined or expanded to rural areas wireless might be a solution. My objection to speeds being lowered to allow for cellular as broadband are not actually in the speeds available (which I think are reasonable, and lived off a cellular connection for 3 months prior to fiber being installed 3 years ago), but in the data caps put in place. I was spending $300 / month and conserving my usage. I did run a business from my house but I did not download large files or watch video during this time. I believe 30GB data cap was like $300 / month. If you can roll out service at 5Mbps down and provide a data cap of 200-300GB a month at something reasonably cost effective ($100 / month) that is not going to increase our taxes than that's probably a good solution.

  46. Re:Steering dollars to 5G from Connect America Fun by AtariDatacenter · · Score: 2

    You raise some interesting issues, but in the end, what does this proposed change in FCC policy look and smell like? Is this really about how the FCC can best meet the connectivity needs of rural customers? Or something else?

    If this was honestly first and foremost about meeting the needs of rural customers, hey, we'd all welcome this! But it looks like the FCC is tinkering (yet again) with the definition of broadband, and this time it seems they're using it with the intention of steering funds.

    How? They can define the bandwidth requirements just high enough to be unfavorable to regional competitors who have been building out networks. Yet they don't go too high. They still keep the definition low enough as not to burden those new competitors who have a well-known plan to roll out high speed fixed-wireless technology.

    5G promises to be an awesome new technology, and I personally can't wait to see it! But I'd like to see it compete with the wired competitors on more level ground. Not through political lobbying. Not by carving out competition with an arbitrary definition of 5G that artificially tilts the distribution of funds.

    It is another story of regulatory capture at the FCC. The FCC was supposed to favor Americans and put limits on corporations. Now the FCC is favoring the corporation they're supposed to regulate and the Americans are just contrived into a justification for doing so.

    It is sad and unfortunate for America.

  47. Re: Ajit Pai flails at windmills for your amusemen by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

    Interesting, considering that the GOP voted over 80% for the Civil Rights Act, well above the rate of the Democrats... I guess all those "disgusted Democrats" left the party which barely voted in favor of the CRA, and joined the party of Lincoln and the overwhelming support of the CRA?

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  48. Re:Ajit Pai flails at windmills for your amusement by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

    Looks pretty evenly split to me, about as close to 50/50 as you can get. Business tends to donate to both sides, because both sides not only influence legislation, but - as we just saw - can gain control every 2 years.

    But if you want to dig into it, you'll find that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama lead the list of recipients of telecom largesse, by a large margin.

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  49. Translation by jd · · Score: 2

    The FCC won't permit town's to provide Internet because that unfairly competes, but will pay large sums of money to obscenely rich providers, particularly the ones paying their boss under the table, to alter the throttling settings because then they can avoid neutrality lawsuits by pretending to provide better service.

    Besides, the FCC has previously ruled they don't have to provide the rated speed, they only have to advertise it.

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  50. 10Mbps is plenty for reading textbooks online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Plenty of bandwidth for improving one's lot in life. Not good enough for 4k 240fps football games, "reality" tv, and commercials, though.

  51. Re: And providers will do as they always have done by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

    Well not for all the people who now have connections that didnt before....

    There is already a gap. A bounty approach will move more to the haves from the have nots.

  52. Brit convict ships to Australia. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
    Britain was shipping its prisoners to Australia back in 18th century.

    The conditions on the prison ships were horrible, and half prisoners perished on the journey. The government was giving the ship company a fixed amount per prisoner.

    One bureaucrat made one simple rule change. Instead of paying for each prisoner boarding the ship, they paid for each prisoner delivered in Sydney. No other change. Suddenly the casualty rate dropped from 50% to 0% in two months.

    If FCC pays it for actual high speed connections made to the customers, instead of promises to improve the speed, this program might work.

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    1. Re:Brit convict ships to Australia. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If FCC pays it for actual high speed connections made to the customers, instead of promises to improve the speed, this program might work.

      Telcom industries paid a lot of bribes to get Ajit Pai where he is. As long as he is in charge, payouts will not be made to depend on actual improvements. And Ajit Pai is not going anywhere: nobody wants to risk another backstabber like Tom Wheeler who sneakily abused the opportunity of becoming a public servant in order to defiantly serve the public rather than his puppet masters.

  53. Re: And providers will do as they always have done by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    You do understand that living in rural areas means you get some things (dark skies, less traffic, imo a generally better quality of life) and don't get others (night life,, multitudes of things to do, corner coffee shops, the best broadband)?

    This seems pretty obvious.

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  54. Re: Ajit Pai flails at windmills for your amusemen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it wasn't instantaneous but today we have kkk, white nationalists etc supporting trump. The alt right as they are called today are republicans.

  55. Maybe raise it to 10Mbps first? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who in rural areas has 10Mbps? It's usually dialup at best.

  56. Page load speed stays constant by Latent+Heat · · Score: 1

    Is it me, or is it with each boost in speed, pages load just as slowly, going all the way back to the Days of Yore when 56K modems reigned?

    Just like each processor gen barely keeps up with Windows Bloat, each increment in connection speed barely keeps up with rendering annoying video ads with the sound turned way up?

    1. Re:Page load speed stays constant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it me, or is it with each boost in speed, pages load just as slowly, going all the way back to the Days of Yore when 56K modems reigned?

      Just like each processor gen barely keeps up with Windows Bloat, each increment in connection speed barely keeps up with rendering annoying video ads with the sound turned way up?

      Well, you forgot that most web pages nowadays use "JavaScript" in some ways to load the page. Even worse, those scripts aren't from its own site but come from other sites. What does this mean? It meant that the loading time at the start will take much longer because the page needs to load all scripts first. You can check how many "script" tags (and links from other sources) in a web page plus the content of those scripts (if you have tools to view them). To me, it is stupid because too many web developers simply dump the whole JavaScript libraries into a page for either their laziness or stupidity.

      Sadly, this is the new way of web development that believes that it is worth to trade loading time for interactive time after the page is loaded.

  57. Re: Ajit Pai flails at windmills for your amusemen by jbengt · · Score: 2

    You missed the parts where he said the voters switched after the civil rights acts were passed. And he left out the part where Nixon made that part of his strategy.

  58. Re: Ajit Pai flails at windmills for your amusemen by nine-times · · Score: 1

    From the guy you're responding to:

    They just switched political parties after LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act.

    At the time of the Civil Rights Act, the Republican party was in favor of the law. After it was signed, the Democrats who opposed the CRA switched parties and become Republicans. If you want to belong to the historical Republican party that elected Lincoln and supported civil rights, have at it, but you're going to have to find a time machine and travel back to before 1964.

    The current incarnation of the Republican party is not that. If you judge the current Republican party by the rhetoric and actions of its current leadership, it's a xenophobic homophobic white nationalist party that's trying to turn the country into an isolated authoritarian kleptocracy.

  59. Re: Ajit Pai flails at windmills for your amusemen by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    I think you're committing the same logic error. Let me simplify:

    Group A contains racists. Group B does not.

    Group A barely votes to give blacks lots of rights. Group B overwhelmingly supports giving blacks lots of rights.

    Apparently, the meme is that all the racists then left Group A and moved to Group B. They left the more-racist group to join the much LESS racist group. Really? I guess that hard-core conservatives are going to leave the GOP and join the Democrats because John James lost the Michigan senatorial race?

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  60. Re: Ajit Pai flails at windmills for your amusemen by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I've heard that claim MANY times, but it makes no sense at all. Why would people leave the group that was more racist, to join the group that is less racist? It would be like conservatives leaving the GOP and joining the socialist party because the GOP lost the House. Logic fail.

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  61. Re: Ajit Pai flails at windmills for your amusemen by nine-times · · Score: 1

    They left the more-racist group to join the much LESS racist group.

    Yes, that's more or less what happened. Or more to the point, the racists in Group A were clearly losing control of Group A, and saw an opening to seize control of Group B. And then they successfully did.

    And please note that this isn't a logic puzzle for us to argue over whether it hypothetically makes sense. This is history. Your argument is a little like looking at the Holocaust and going, "You mean a society has a successful ethnic/cultural group that's contributing to society, and then that society is just going to try to kill them all. Really?"

    Yes, really. Make up all the hypotheticals and logic puzzles you want, but it happened.

  62. Re: Ajit Pai flails at windmills for your amusemen by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    No, it's not history. Can you point to a racist policy of the GOP? What policy do they support that puts the color of skin ahead of the content of character? I see one side constantly classifying people based upon what gender they believe they are and what their color is - and the other talking about people as a whole.

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  63. Re: Ajit Pai flails at windmills for your amusemen by pnutjam · · Score: 1
  64. SD video at 1 Mbps by tepples · · Score: 1

    What about video calls from grandparents to kids and vice versa?

    Back when the warez scene was distributing standard-definition movies using H.263-derived codecs (DivX or Xvid for downloads and Sorenson Spark for streams), the standard was a 90 minute movie in 700 MiB. That's about 1 Mbps. Modern codecs (H.264, VP8, AV1) can transmit SD video at comparable quality with even lower bitrates than that.

    Family vacation uploads?

    Backups can happen overnight. In fact, some metered ISPs don't run the meter overnight in order to encourage subscribers to shift usage to less congested hours.

    Local sports (i.e. high school)?

    The school corporation would buy for each high school a business class connection with sufficient upstream.

  65. Re: Ajit Pai flails at windmills for your amusemen by nine-times · · Score: 2

    I feel like you're setting me up for a sort of "no true scotsman" argument. If I point out a policy, you'll either say, "That's not really a policy" or "That's not really Republican".

    But ok, let's see. There's the issue of voter suppression, i.e. setting fairly arbitrary requirements for voting that they know various groups (often an intersection of "poor" and "minority") will have trouble meeting and then selectively enforcing them. There's a similar thing with drug enforcement, which is actually tied into the whole voting thing. You make it illegal for felons to vote, then enforce crimes more rigorously when the suspect is a minority, and bingo, you're suppressing minority votes.

  66. The New Ajit Pai by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    10% less douche-y than before!

    Keep going Pai. At this rate you might become a recognizable human being, given time and space. Not likely but I think it's important to keep the door open on redemption!

  67. Re: Ajit Pai flails at windmills for your amusemen by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    What are the requirements to vote in a Federal election? How do you ensure those requirements are met?

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  68. Re: Ajit Pai flails at windmills for your amusemen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would people leave the group that was more racist, to join the group that is less racist?

    Because the "Southern Bloc" (the racist wing of the Democrats) realized in 1964 that they were outnumbered in the Democratic Party? And then the Republicans ran Goldwater, who had opposed the CRA?

  69. Re: Ajit Pai flails at windmills for your amusemen by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    Nah, easier to say "Republicans are racist", absent any facts or logic. It's better to break people down to their gender and skin color rather than the content of their character and their ideas. Diversity is about what you look like, not what you think, according to much of the political Left in the US.

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  70. Re:Ajit Pai flails at windmills for your amusement by snapsnap · · Score: 1

    Same here in Seattle. Well, assuming you can even get Comcast since they don't offer service to their entire monopoly area. It's worse when Comcast doesn't offer service and the phone monopoly doesn't have your address in their system.

    A friend finally got around that and has 1.5 Mbps DSL now since he ordered a POTS line. His house was built on a lot that was split, and his street number has a B but CenturyLink didn't have it in their system. They're legally obgligated by the state to provide phone service so after complaining to the state, they connected the existing wiring to give him a phone line. He canceled it a few minutes after they got it working then ordered DSL.

  71. Re: Ajit Pai flails at windmills for your amusemen by tepples · · Score: 1

    Google Search for gop racist policy turned up at least three things. If these aren't enough, I can dig deeper.

    First, Republicans favor voter photo ID laws, particularly in environments where the median black or Latino is far less likely to drive or have some other convenient means to travel to the local Bureau of Motor Vehicles branch to obtain an adequate ID. This is despite lack of verifiable evidence that voter fraud is more than negligible.

    Second, Republicans are also fairly aggressive at redistricting to manufacture a majority in state legislatures and the House of Representatives. These lines have often been drawn in ways that dilute the vote of majority-minority neighborhoods.

    Third, Republicans have been using race-baiting dog whistles used by Lee Atwater and others to win votes.

  72. Re: Ajit Pai flails at windmills for your amusemen by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    Google search for democrat racist policy also turns up at least 3 things. If these aren't enough, I can dig deeper.

    If voter photo ID is racist, then I guess you must hate: Canada, Mexico, Honduras, Guatamala, Germany, France, Australia, Greece (the birthplace of Democracy), Netherlands, Sweden, India, and nearly every other country. Where voter ID is REQUIRED. I guess they're all racist, eh?

    Democrats also gerrymander districts. The oft-shouted "national vote for House!" is, in fact, false. If you look at House representatives per population you'll see that 8 of the top 10, and 14 of the top 20 States in terms of most people per representative are GOP States. Meaning that they are actually under-represented in the US House. California - oft decried as being "shorted" on Representatives - is in the bottom 40%, with more House members per resident than the average State.

    Democrats have their own dog whistles, including the aforementioned racism (any more, if you disagree with the Left on anything, you're immediately branded a racist, Nazi, or both), "gun control", "Diversity" (have you seen the recent Andrew Ngo video where he's berated and assaulted by a bunch of white assholes because he's not supporting their "cause of tolerance"?), and many more.

    Back to voting. How is requiring proof of identification, racist? It is incredibly explicit in the Constitution - only citizens have the right to vote. When you come into the US, you have to prove citizenship or at least ID and that you have approval to enter. When you want to draw SS, or any Government benefit, you're supposed to provide ID - including immigration/citizenship status. Why is that all OK, but for voting - where it is explicitly called for in the Constitution - not OK? Does that make Canada, Germany, and the Netherlands (and many others) racist hell-holes?

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  73. Re: Ajit Pai flails at windmills for your amusemen by pnutjam · · Score: 1

    Your listening to too much right wing caterwauling.

  74. Re: And providers will do as they always have done by Chas · · Score: 1

    You want to say that again?

    But with proper english grammar?

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  75. Re: Ajit Pai flails at windmills for your amusemen by tepples · · Score: 1

    [For requiring photo ID to vote,] Does that make Canada, Germany, and the Netherlands (and many others) racist hell-holes?

    That depends on a bunch of things. I suspect Canada, Germany, and the Netherlands do better than the United States on at least some of these factors:

    - Whether these countries have functioning public transit systems to let citizens travel obtain ID and register to vote. The United States has the motor-voter law, allowing citizens to register when they obtain ID. But they must show up in person at a local branch of the state's Bureau of Motor Vehicles, and much of the USA has dysfunctional or nonexistent public transit.
    - How much money the ID authority charges for ID.
    - How easy it is for a citizen, particularly a poor citizen who lives in a region (state, province, Land, etc.) other than his or her birth region, to obtain the necessary documents to prove his or her identity to the ID authority. Someone who lives hundreds of miles (hundreds of kilometres) away from the county of birth might find it hard to get a duplicate birth certificate. The U.S. REAL ID Act requires someone who has changed names to produce certified copies of all marriage licenses to show a chain of name changes, which makes it more difficult for multiply divorced women to obtain ID. And unless you have a postpaid utility bill or line of credit in your name, you can't so easily prove state residency.
    - How easy it is to get time off from an employer to obtain ID and vote. Many U.S. states have no option to vote early or by mail unless the voter can prove being out of state on Election Day. Workers in low-end jobs often live paycheck to paycheck, with little or no paid leave, and fear being fired for "not being a team player" if they request time off for anything other than a verifiable medical emergency or any other legally protected reason.

  76. Re: And providers will do as they always have done by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    What makes you think the have nots will get upgraded instead of just the haves at low speeds? You do realise that selectively focusing on the areas that make the most money is precisely what caused the divide in the first place right?

  77. Re: And providers will do as they always have done by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

    When X is low the first people to benefit will be those who already have a connection, but one that falls under the broadband benchmark. The cost of implementation would be the lowest and so the required push would be the lowest.

    There will come a point where connections incentivised by a bounty of X will start to drop. At this point you increase X. This will push the next rung of consumers into the band of being commercially viable to run a connection. You continue this process until you have reached the maximum X you are willing to subsidise or your connection target has been hit.

    The method is effective because it puts all the competing providers in a situation where if they wait too long they will miss out as someone else will jump in and steal the bounty. They all know that a customer is worth $Y once they are connected and will know most people don't churn their ISPs

    Inevitably customers that it is cheaper to connect, will get connected first. I honestly can't see a way around this. But, by using a bounty system that slowly increases you will find the lowest price point for each connection.