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Tech Shoppers in the UK Ditch Desktop PCs and DVD Players (ofcom.org.uk)

Brits are ditching DVD players and desktop PCs and are increasingly turning to newer technology such as smart TVs and smart watches, Ofcom research has found. From the research: Shoppers in the UK are predicted to spend billions of pounds again this year on Black Friday and Cyber Monday, and much of that is expected to be spent buying tech online. So, Ofcom has crunched the numbers on which tech devices people have been buying in recent years, and which ones they're getting rid of.

Ownership of digital devices such as smart TVs, smart watches and smartphones has grown significantly in recent years, as more people need a constant connection to the internet -- internet users say they spend an average of 24 hours a week online. By contrast, MP3 players, DVD players and desktop computers seem to be falling out of favour as smartphone use continues to grow, particularly for browsing and streaming. Meanwhile, the popularity of tablets and e-readers seems to have peaked. Ownership of both is significantly higher than it was seven years ago, but has levelled out in the last few years.

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  1. The desktop is dying! by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Where have I heard this before? Ahh yes, when it was going to be completely "replaced" by the tablet...

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    1. Re: The desktop is dying! by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Except it only runs a toy operating system (not even real MacOS) and lacks a filesystem. So the things it can do don't really include real work.

      But if you qualify with 'the things it can do' you might be able to make a case.

    2. Re: The desktop is dying! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      They must sell really crappy PCs in Europe. These days $1000 PC is outfitted with gaming card and 16GB of ram which will run most of game and professional applications just fine. I don't know what iPad Pro can run, $1000 PC can run any modern application without being locked in to Apple walled garden.

    3. Re: The desktop is dying! by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      No one is interested in that garbage. Kids are playing Fortnite and such which run on mobile phones and tablets. What is the point of a 4K game if the playability is crap?

    4. Re: The desktop is dying! by goose-incarnated · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A 600 eur iPad Pro from last year, at the things it can do, basically runs circles around most 1000 eur PCs of today.

      I doubt it. My dev environment alone eats up around 16GB, that's even assuming that gcc can run on iOS, and cross-compile for my target, or that eclipse/VS/qtcreator will run on iOS, or that various creation tools (gimp, etc) will run on iOS.

      Tablets are not toys because of the hardware, they are toys because they are content-consumption only devices. Those of us who produce more content than we consume won't use tablets to do the production.

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    5. Re: The desktop is dying! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Okay, hereâ(TM)s an example of what I want to do.

      I googled and found a website with a PDF I want to send to my friend. Not the link, I want to send the PDF as an attachment. Easy as pie on a desktop. Even Linux with Lynx and Pine itâ(TM)s no problem. Canâ(TM)t do it on iOS.

      For getting actual shit done on a website you need an actual PC, not a tablet which is just an iPhone with a bigger screen. Sometimes it works â" if the website was specifically made for mobile â" sometimes it doesnâ(TM)t.

    6. Re: The desktop is dying! by houghi · · Score: 2

      You also will notbuy your PC at that store or Best Buy and spend mire than average on it.

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    7. Re:The desktop is dying! by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Uhhhh did anybody even bother to see WHAT KIND of desktops they are offering this year? I did because my main PC is getting a bit long in the tooth and was looking to see if there was any deals....ugh.

      We're talking AMD A9s, seventh gen Core I3s, "gaming PCs" with FX-6300 CPUs....noticing a pattern here? Its all old shit they want to get out the warehouse and they are wanting stupid money for those! Hell the one offering the "gaming PC" (I can't remember if it was Worst Buy or Wally World) wanted nearly $400 USD...for an FX-6300 and Geforce GT 710! That's a CPU from 6 fricking years ago in a socket that AMD no longer supports!

      So no shit Sherlock nobody is buying the desktops this run, because what they are offering is overpriced underpowered crap!

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    8. Re:The desktop is dying! by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      You must be a youngster then because it didn't used to be this way, specially during the 00s PC boom. I remember scoring C2Qs and AMD Phenom Triples for sub $200 on Black Friday with pretty damn good specs from memory to HDD space. Sure the OS was filled with crapware but it was easy enough to just nuke the OS and use the enclosed key to install a clean OS. You didn't get the top CPU but it would be not very far from it, for example when the Q9xxx was the top Intel chips you would get a Q8xxx so really not bad.

      But what they are offering now? Frankly sub $250 used PCs on eBay have newer CPUs and better specs than their $400+ offerings, its literally old junk that was sitting in a warehouse somewhere but they are asking new PC prices for. I mean seriously an FX-6300 for $400? AMD A8s and Core i3 dual cores for $500? Their prices are frankly worse than what I've seen on just daily deals from Amazon and Dell, they sure as hell ain't worth standing in line in the cold to buy that is for damn sure!

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    9. Re: The desktop is dying! by goose-incarnated · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You also will notbuy your PC at that store or Best Buy and spend mire than average on it.

      My desktop is a 2nd-gen i7 with 16GB of ram, cost around $250 when I bought it last year, and yet it will still do more than a top of the range tablet bought now, mostly because the tablet is almost incapable of being used to produce content.

      The tablet can't replace the desktop, because the desktop is used for a much more demanding class of functionality (content-production). The tablet is equivalent to a TV, the desktop is equivalent to a lathe.

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    10. Re:The desktop is dying! by Dunbal · · Score: 2

      Youngster? I remember punch cards. Retail computers were always shit compared to mail order from the likes of Dell, Gateway, etc. And the smarter people bought the parts mail order and built them themselves.

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  2. No they don't "ditch" them! They keep them! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because nowadays, there's barely a point in replacing them.
    A 6 year old PC can still play modern games. And games used to be the only thing left that required non-professionals to follow the expensive upgrade cycle.

    PCs just are what they always were: A tool for universal data processing.
    It's not their fault they were wasted on useless consumer blobs running fixed-function modules ("app[lication]s") to waste their lives.

    But of course the money media must keep up the state that anything but by-definition-unsustainable exponentially exponential growing growth is the devil, and the stable balance of infinitely recycling resources that all surviving things in the universe have in common literally means literal death for being Literally Hitler(TM). Literally. ... /s
    As that's the only way they can keep leeching on society, by making us work, without working themselves.

  3. Upgrading Has Little "Bang For Buck" Ratio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The "Bang for buck" ratio has deteriorated.

    ie:

    8086 -> 80286 -> good BFBR "Bang For Buck Ratio"
    80286 -> 80386 -> good BFBR
    80386 -> 80486 -> excellent BFBR [ VESA local bus, faster ram ]
    80486 -> pentium -> good BFBR [ pci bus, more ram, much faster speeds, MMX ]
    Pentium -> Pentium 4 -> good BFBR [ pcie, more ram, much faster speeds, better video cards, etc ]
    Pentium 4 - > Quad Core or Core2 - > excellent BFBR [ pcie, next gen, DDR3/DDR2 memory, much better cores, and more of them ]

    Now, we are in the era where we:

    -Add slightly faster ram, at the cost of latency - shitty BFBR
    -Add slightly faster video cards, at a very large cost - shitty BFBR
    -Add slightly faster CPUs, at an obscence cost -- very shitty BFBR

    so the BFBR has decreased, where you can spend another $1000, to get 10-15% better performance, measured in "seconds" for most tasks, or less, or a few more FPS, which anything above 30 would be unnoticeable.

    spend $100, get an SSD, and make it feel like a new system.
    Spend $1000, get a slight performance boost.

    I'm still using a 2600k, with 16gb, with a 7770HD video card, I see no reason to upgrade.

  4. At home it mostly is by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    a resurgence in PC gaming has helped mask that a bit, fueled mostly by the insane popularity of Fortnight and PUBG, but folks are buying less and PCs. They'll buy one or two for Junior to do the homework on but they don't usually upgrade them much.

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    1. Re:At home it mostly is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...that's also because when you buy a PC? You don't need to buy another for several years, and just swapping in the newest no-extra-power-needed graphics card is a huge performance bump whenever the existing GPU gets sluggish. When a GPU that can be slapped into any existing WalMart beige box is under $200 and can play even the newest games decently? Folks aren't dropping big coin on a whole new system.

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  5. I recently built a new PC by cheesybagel · · Score: 2

    When Ryzen came out I thought it was time to upgrade and throw AMD a bone. So I bought a new computer system. Motherboard, CPU, but then... the DRAM and NAND were expensive like heck and the GPU prices were ludicrous because of those god damned coin miners. So I put an old GPU card on it and got lower end memory and NAND products.

    I ended up with a M.2 NAND drive which was not any larger than the SATA one I had in my old PC and cost about as much if not more... A couple months passed then Meltdown and Spectre came around. So basically I've left it in another floor collecting dust while I'm still working on my old PC. I can't feel assed about transferring the file systems and applications from my "old" PC to the new one. Oh and the case they got me had no 5 1/4" frontal drive bays whatsoever for my legacy discs so I had to buy an external reader. At one point I thought I was better off with a laptop.

    I blame the memory cartel pricing, obscene GPU prices which are like 2x what they should be right now, and the CPU manufacturers for a) screwing it up b) Intel keeps spinning new revisions of the same shit over and over and calls it a new product.

    So it is little wonder few people want to upgrade. Also 4K just made everything more expensive and it is useless for gaming.

  6. Not ditching, just not replacing by Going_Digital · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The technology in desktop computers is mature, it is no longer developing at the break neck speed it once was. It wasn't long ago when once a system was 3 years old in seemed ancient and slow by comparison to the latest model. Today however your 3 year old system is still perfectly good and you would hardly notice any difference in performance if you replaced it today, so why bother?

    Everything has this cycle, where it gets to the point that what you already have is good enough, and further small tweaks do not justify the cost of replacing.

  7. Re:Black Friday in the UK? by ledow · · Score: 2

    We don't.

    Shops have been trying to make it a thing, for about 2-3 years now.

    After some footage of Black Friday Walmart rampages a few years back on the news, suddenly shops decided they wanted that and tried to induce it.

    Pretty much nobody cares. To us, it's just a pre-Christmas sale when you spend most of December Christmas shopping anyway. And the price reductions are even more fake than other sales. At least "January sales" actually happen as shops sell off leftover stock. Not everywhere, but they do.

    Black Friday is also not just a "day"... it's a week and they're trying to make it a month. Nobody really cares. It's all hype and rubbish. There's literally no increase in sales over what you'd expect before Christmas.

    It's not like the US where you effectively get two holidays in short succession. We get Christmas, and that's it. So nobody is going to splash out in November because everyone who was going to buy you gifts for Christmas will do the old "Oh, no, don't buy that, leave it for later (because I've already decided to buy it for you and I have no other ideas!)".