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The Mystery Font That Took Over New York (nytimes.com)

How did Choc, a quirky calligraphic typeface drawn by a French graphic designer in the 1950s, end up on storefronts everywhere? From a report: Stand just about anywhere on Broadway, or on Canal Street with its sprightly neon and overstuffed souvenir shops, or the long stretch of restaurants, hardware stores, pharmacies, bars, realtors, barber shops, groceries and auto shops that extends through Fifth Avenue in South Brooklyn, and you'll find a surplus of vibrant and overstated signage -- a cacophony of typography. Steven Heller, a co-chairman at the School of Visual Arts' M.F.A. program, sees it somewhat differently. "You say 'cacophony,'" he said. "I call it chaos." But amid all of this chaos there is the occasional beacon. Choc, for instance.

It's a typeface that draws the eye with its inherent contradictions. It seems to have been drawn improvisationally with a brush, and yet it's so hefty it looks like it could slip off a wall. It's both delicate and emphatic, a casual paradox, like a Nerf weapon. Choc is far from the most popular typeface on the storefronts of New York, but it can still be found everywhere and in every borough. It's strewn on fabric awnings and etched in frosted glass. It gleams in bright magenta or platinum lighting. It's used for beauty salons, Mexican restaurants, laundromats, bagel shops, numerous sushi bars. It may be distorted, stacked vertically, or shoehorned into a cluster of other typefaces. But even here Choc remains clear and articulate, its voice deep and friendly, its accent foreign, perhaps, yet endearing. You've already seen it, probably repeatedly, like a stranger you recognize from your morning commute.

72 comments

  1. Mystery font by nospam007 · · Score: 2

    I'm not fond of it.

    1. Re:Mystery font by olsmeister · · Score: 2

      Well, it beats Comic Sans.

    2. Re: Mystery font by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's a trendsetter, by doing what nospam007 does you will be associated with coolness.

    3. Re: Mystery font by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I came to the comments section for the sole reason to see what nospam007 had to say about the font.

    4. Re:Mystery font by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm not fond of it.

      That’s really chocing.

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    5. Re:Mystery font by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pimping a pop-art 1950s article in the feckin-A Trotsky-slut NYT. Frogs havern't raised a master for 350 years ... well before when the Germans started kicking their azzwhole.

    6. Re:Mystery font by ortholattice · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Personally, I think it is harder to read that Comic Sans. Out of context, individual letters can be confusing: https://cdn.myfonts.net/s/aw/7... . Imagine it as the font for the code you're trying to debug, and you'll be begging to have Comic Sans back (if that's your only other choice).

      OTOH unlike the ubiquitous sans-serif used here on slashdot and half the rest of the web, you can distinguish I and l, so debugging your code is at least theoretically possible. l'II give it a bonus point for that. (Comic Sans also gets that bonus point.)

    7. Re: Mystery font by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I'm still here for that reason.

    8. Re: Mystery font by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did autocorrect fix your pun?

      I'm not font of it, maybe?

  2. Who the fuck gives a shit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not even New Yorkers give a shit.
    Not even New Yorker Asian restaurants. (Which 90% of these seem to be, judging from dumb me wondering if that hipster pseudo-hand-written white-on-black "cutesy" cafe window font was meant, and taking the clickbait.)

    1. Re:Who the fuck gives a shit? by Bobrick · · Score: 2

      That, and it doesn't seem that common judging by the pictures the author chose...

    2. Re:Who the fuck gives a shit? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      That, and it doesn't seem that common judging by the pictures the author chose...

      Indeed. In every picture the majority of the signs are in a different font. Most of the examples in Choc were Asian restaurants. In East Asia, calligraphy is often done with a brush rather than a pen, so the appeal of a font that looks "brushed" makes sense.

  3. Because they're lemmings? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 4, Insightful

    New York City is a place where people are obsessed by status. Someone noticed that trendy new places were using something to signal the fact that they were trendy to everyone. This time it was a font. Everyone suddenly wanted that same status, so they all followed the leader, like so many chimpanzees piling into the fruit cart. Presto, you now resemble others with status.

    What they forgot was to set barriers to entry. High costs, restricted invitation-only events, social media full of virtue signaling posts, required letters of recommendation from high status individuals, . Fonts are too easy to copy. Now that all the deplorables have the font too, it's going to go out of fashion fast. Look for it to resurface 20 years from now as a "retro" font.

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    1. Re: Because they're lemmings? by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      The article says it was included under a different name with Corel Draw in the 90s. Probably Corel Draw 3.0.

      The deplorables have has it a long time.

    2. Re: Because they're lemmings? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not for commercial purposes

    3. Re: Because they're lemmings? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you agree that this is merely a status signaling endeavor that will fail fast because the method of signaling is available to the plebs.

      Why the accusatory tone?

    4. Re: Because they're lemmings? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lolwut- the shape of a font is not copyrightable. Electronic documents are tricky (because the actual font data is being embedded) but there is no protection for a sign on a window.

    5. Re:Because they're lemmings? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      status

      I'm not convinced that French comic sans counts as status.

      you now resemble others with status.

      If this is the cargo they want, they should just buy some finger paints.

    6. Re:Because they're lemmings? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh calm the fuck down.

      It's not New Yorkers that are obsessed with status, the folks there don't give two shits about that. It's the out of towners that think that shit is important. And so we pull those suckers in to the most expensive stores to pay $40 for two eggs and burnt toast.

      Trust me the folks who've been living in NYC for more than 1 month know what's up.

    7. Re:Because they're lemmings? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Someone noticed that trendy new places were using something to signal the fact that they were trendy to everyone.

      None of the photos in TFA are of trendy places. They small mom-and-pop Asian and Mexican family restaurants in what look like normal urban neighborhoods.

    8. Re: Because they're lemmings? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      the shape of a font is not copyrightable.

      Not in America, but typefaces are protected in many other countries, including the UK, France, and Germany.

      In America, typefaces can be protected by design patents, but that is much harder to get than a copyright. The name of a font can be trademarked.

    9. Re:Because they're lemmings? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0

      They had enough status to get written up in the New York Times. Now they have even more.

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    10. Re: Because they're lemmings? by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      I read the article "Stand just about anywhere on Broadway, or on Canal Street with its sprightly neon and overstuffed souvenir shops, or the long stretch of restaurants, hardware stores, pharmacies, bars, realtors, barber shops, groceries and auto shops that extends through Fifth Avenue in South Brooklyn, and youâ(TM)ll find a surplus of vibrant and overstated signage â" a cacophony of typography. Steven Heller, a co-chairman at the School of Visual Artsâ(TM) M.F.A. program, sees it somewhat differently. âoeYou say âcacophony,â(TM)â he said. âoeI call it chaos.â But amid all of this chaos there is the occasional beacon. Choc, for instance." this lifted straight from the article, why the hell does this story, read like a New York Times ad, why did this story end up on slashdot, hmmm, show me the money.

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    11. Re:Because they're lemmings? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The places in the photos all look like the owner put very little effort into the sign. Like Comic Sans, it appears to be the default that the sign-maker selects when you tell them you want a painted/oriental/wild-west effect.

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  4. mystery? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doesn't seem like a mystery at all.

    1. Re: mystery? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No? Why not? Looking to hear your response

    2. Re: mystery? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TFS explains the origin, thus is not a "mystery font":

      Choc, a quirky calligraphic typeface drawn by a French graphic designer in the 1950s

  5. And newspapers wonder by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Newspapers wonder why nobody seems to want to pay for them anymore. Curious.

    Also, do you think the author was wearing pants while writing that description of a font?

  6. Groupthinkers: by Type44Q · · Score: 0

    How did Choc... end up on storefronts everywhere?

    Groupthinkers: the first ones up against the wall when the revolution comes.

  7. How about a picture of the fucking glyphs? by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 5, Informative

    God, I hate fluff pieces like this.

    TL:DR; Some crappy looking font becomes popular because "it bears a resemblance to the calligraphic forms of Asian writing systems." No Shit, Sherlock. News at 11.

    Here is a texture atlas (picture) of all the glyphs in this shitty font since the author was too fucking lazy.

    1. You have crap like this:

    But Choc is full of irregularity. Its lowercase "r" resembles a "z." Its "g" looks like a capital "S." And its "h" crouches forward as though in starting position for a race, whereas its more heavyset uppercase incarnation is on the verge of rolling backward.

    Uh. how about SHOWING us the glyphs instead of textually describing them and making us look them up so we can understand what the fuck you are going on about???

    2. The popularity of Comic Sans and Choc "proves" that the general populace doesn't give a fuck about well designed fonts. Why is this news?

    And yet, Choc is everywhere.

    3. So it is "everywhere" in New York. No one gives a fuck about this font except some pretentious stuck-up typographer.

    Talk about a slow-news day at the NY Times.

    1. Re:How about a picture of the fucking glyphs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here is a texture atlas [identifont.com] (picture) of all the glyphs in this shitty font since the author was too fucking lazy.

      Thanks for that.

      Someone is using that typeface professionally? All over New York? Yikes. I remember thinking it (or something strikingly like it) looked interesting a few decades ago, when scalable fonts started to become readily available, but that thought lasted all of about five minutes. That typeface projects a tacky/amateur vibe.

    2. Re:How about a picture of the fucking glyphs? by bickerdyke · · Score: 2

      And that "everywhere" seems to be exclusively on Asian restaurants!

      "Asian brush-caligraphy lookalike font used on many asian restaurants" would have been a more fitting headline.

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    3. Re:How about a picture of the fucking glyphs? by Rockoon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Uh. how about SHOWING us the glyphs instead of textually describing them and making us look them up so we can understand what the fuck you are going on about???

      When you are writing an advertisement for a font that the copyright holder wishes to sell, a bad move would be to include the font glyphs for free.

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    4. Re:How about a picture of the fucking glyphs? by LordKronos · · Score: 2

      Exactly. It's an English font which bears a stylistic resemblance to many of the different asian character sets. And almost every use in there is some clearly Chinese, Japanese, Thai, or Korean establishments. There are a few possible exceptions. A beauty salon (though often those are staffed entirely by asian workers) and a Mexican restaraunt (ok, that's the one outlier). A 60 second scan of the images and I decided there was no mystery, and thus no reason to read even a single sentence of the story.

    5. Re:How about a picture of the fucking glyphs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really - it bears a stylistic resemblance to brush style caligraphy, which is a traditional way of writing Chinese, Japanese and Korean. Brush caligraphy is a tradtional art in Japan and still practiced--a lot.

      But it's not really reminiscient of Japanese, Korean or Chinese itself. Mererly using brushes.

    6. Re:How about a picture of the fucking glyphs? by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      Thanks. I should have scrolled down before saying, "WTF is this shit?" and clicking. You nailed it.

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    7. Re:How about a picture of the fucking glyphs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Talk about a slow-news day at the NY Times.

      Just you wait. If the President tweets in Choc, their headlines will explode.

    8. Re:How about a picture of the fucking glyphs? by Jon+Peterson · · Score: 1

      It's an English font No, it's a French font. One that describes characters invented in what is now Italy, and which were adopted by most European (and all Western European) languages in favour of their original writing systems. There is nothing particularly English about the characters used to write English

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    9. Re:How about a picture of the fucking glyphs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A slow news day at NYT indeed. Also, you have 4 free articles remaining, give NYT money or they'll keep counting down at you.

    10. Re:How about a picture of the fucking glyphs? by mukinrestak · · Score: 1

      The second paragraph of that summary was nothing less than an assault upon the English language.

      I haven't seen such pure bloviating drivel as "It seems to have been drawn improvisationally with a brush, and yet it's so hefty it looks like it could slip off a wall. It's both delicate and emphatic, a casual paradox, like a Nerf weapon." or "But even here Choc remains clear and articulate, its voice deep and friendly, its accent foreign, perhaps, yet endearing. You've already seen it, probably repeatedly, like a stranger you recognize from your morning commute." since the last time I suffered through a trendy art show.

    11. Re:How about a picture of the fucking glyphs? by LordKronos · · Score: 1

      Sorry if I wasn't clear. I didn't mean the origin of the artwork or the character set. I meant that it was sufficient to recreate all characters in the English language, which is predominantly used in New York. Which was point....for all these Asian business it somewhat conveys the style of traditional Asian writing but is readable by nearly everyone in New York.

  8. font nerds by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Funny

    Font nerds are almost as bad as cosplay enthusiasts.

    As far as I'm concerned there are two kinds of fonts: ones that are easy to read and ones that aren't.

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    1. Re:font nerds by BitterOak · · Score: 0

      Font nerds are almost as bad as cosplay enthusiasts.

      As far as I'm concerned there are two kinds of fonts: ones that are easy to read and ones that aren't.

      Comic Sans is easy to read.

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    2. Re:font nerds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Font nerds are almost as bad as cosplay enthusiasts.

      As far as I'm concerned there are two kinds of fonts: ones that are easy to read and ones that aren't.

      You are correct about legibility. It is paramount.

      However, typography is a thing. And font/typeface design usually has a purpose.

      Sans-Serif fonts are usualy best for headlines, subheads and captions.
      Serif fonts are good for long body copy such as in books or magazine articles
      Script fonts are best for wedding invitations and certificates
      Display fonts are good for logos and other graphic devices.

      Those rules can be broken when done well, but they are a good rule of thumb.

      The design of a font has a feel to it, and the wrong information in the wrong typeface looks wrong.

      Internet forums and tech websites don't usually draw much from typography and just use default web fonts.

      You wouldn't put a wedding invitation in all caps sans-serif bold, unless you did it ironicly.

    3. Re:font nerds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are two types of fonts: monospaced and crap.

  9. Your answer is proof you care. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The fact that you took the time to reply means you cared enough.

  10. The anonymous sources took a day off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No Fake News today!

  11. Why is it popular? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Choc is one of those fonts which works really well for recognition and communication shorthand, while for some reason being on the naughty list for typography snobs.

    Fwiw choc is a bold brush script in a simplified cursive which is designed to look like it has been hand painted. This includes patterns which give the appearance the brush shape and stroke.

    The reason it is popular should be obvious. It was included with early software used by sign companies, it is bold and legible, and it has a broad ethnic appeal. The combination of these would make it a popular choice.

  12. What about Papyrus!?!? by reanjr · · Score: 1

    Where's the exposé on the use Papyrus at Middle Eastern restaurants?

    1. Re:What about Papyrus!?!? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      As the Rifftrax crew commented on Avatar: "Wow, papyrus subtitles... they must be savages..."

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    2. Re:What about Papyrus!?!? by 110010001000 · · Score: 1
    3. Re: What about Papyrus!?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rifttrax regular here on twitch. Good stuff.

    4. Re: What about Papyrus!?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This video contains content from NBC Universal, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.

      I'm in the US. :/

  13. What about ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... Gangland Tagz Bold?

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  14. Typeface not font by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fonts are computer representations of typefaces.

  15. Article has a hidden purpose by TimHunter · · Score: 1

    On the surface the article is about a font that is more-or-less widely used in New York City signage, but that's not its true purpose. Its true purpose is to identify stuck-up asshole font nerds on /.

    So far I'd say that it's doing a pretty good job at it.

  16. dear hipsters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Please stop touching your genitals everytime we discuss typefaces.

  17. Autobans For Paywalls? by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can we get a rule which auto-bans anyone who submits an article behind a paywall?

    1. Re:Autobans For Paywalls? by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

      Because some paywalls only take effect after viewing N articles, and the submitter may not even realize.

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    2. Re:Autobans For Paywalls? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Everyone who matters has a paid subscription to the New York Times. Are you voluntarily identifying yourself with the deplorables? WTF?

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  18. It's actually a pretty nice and good font. by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    I've got some arty blood in my veins and like typography and layout and all things designy and I think this font isn't half bad. It's way better than using comic sans for everything, that's for sure. Choc is bold, heavy, unusual but still compareatively easy to read. And it's improvised notion makes it usable for just about everything. You really *can* just slap this one on the wall and it will work, because it isn't pretentious and really just does look like brushstrokes.

    Bottom line: This is really an improvement over comic sans and normals can't really go wrong with it when typesetting with Choc. I've seen worse insults to the design-gods.

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  19. Corrected Headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aisian Businesses Took Over New York.

    It looks to me that this is a simple case of Asian looking font for English speakers. Sure, the article shows a few exceptions, like the Mexican restaurant that got its sign from the Chinese sign maker, but the takeaway is that New York is over run with Asian takeaway restaurants.

    Clearly the city of New York needs to tax Asians more heavily to control the yellow menace.

  20. I already knew it.... by leelapolis · · Score: 1

    As soon as I read the headline I was seeing the font in my head without even knowing what it had been called or even that is was associated with Asian businesses. I just knew.

  21. Uh..... Asian type script by Dan+East · · Score: 1

    Every single example shown in the photos was for businesses with a foreign flare - the vast majority of them were Asian, with a couple Mexican businesses in there too. It's pretty obvious to me that the font is expressing the brush type strokes used in Chinese and Japanese (Shodo) calligraphy, but in English letters. The font is being used to convey a very specific meaning, and the reason you see it so often is there are simply that many foreign themed businesses in New York.

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  22. Uh, it didn't. by istartedi · · Score: 1

    Only some things have that font. Very specific things. Almost all of those signs are for Asian things. There was one Mexican place I saw. All the rest looked Asian. Traditional Asian script is painted with a brush. It looks brushed, therefore it looks Asian. Mystery solved.

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  23. choc = CHALK by jsepeta · · Score: 1

    nice one

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