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Beijing To Judge Every Resident Based on Behavior by End of 2020 (bloomberg.com)

China's plan to judge each of its 1.3 billion people based on their social behavior is moving a step closer to reality, with Beijing set to adopt a lifelong points program by 2021 that assigns personalized ratings for each resident. From a report: The capital city will pool data from several departments to reward and punish some 22 million citizens based on their actions and reputations by the end of 2020, according to a plan posted on the Beijing municipal government's website this week. Those with better so-called social credit will get "green channel" benefits while those who violate laws will find life more difficult. The Beijing project will improve blacklist systems so that those deemed untrustworthy will be "unable to move even a single step," according to the government's plan. Xinhua reported on the proposal Tuesday, while the report posted on the municipal government's website is dated July 18.

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  1. The Book of Lord Shang by astrofurter · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "A state where uniformity of purpose has been established for one year, will be strong for ten years; where uniformity of purpose has been established for ten years, it will be strong for a hundred years, where uniformity of purpose has been established for a hundred years, it will be strong for a thousand years; and a state which has been strong for a thousand years will attain supremacy."

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    1. Re:The Book of Lord Shang by Shazatoga · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Great and all until a black swan arrives and invalidates the current structure. Democracies (inc. Republics), for all their flaws, can face a black swan or two as they are designed to handle change. They aren't perfect (Rome's refusal to embrace change and to enfranchise the Italians led to the populist dictatorship of the Caesars), but tend to be more anti-fragile than the alternatives.

  2. Should work flawlessly by Shazatoga · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Good thing bureaucrats are incorruptible and would never abuse the system for a bribe or petty revenge. /s This will be one of the greatest hacking targets in the world. Not to mention that putting the wellbeing of 1.4 billion people into a database means that even a small error in an edge case in the code can screw millions of people.

  3. We had all that in the west by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Know how we solved it? Mostly cops giving out tickets. The scammers got arrested. Same results, maybe better, and no massive and terrifying misuse of government power.

    China's problem is they treat their working class like crap. This is the kind of crap you have to resort to when you need to keep people from Unionizing.

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  4. Why do you think that is a problem - for China? by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Blacklisted people will band together with blacklisted people to set up a parallel society

    Yep! And then they will either be sent to re-education camps, or "disappeared".

    China in fact would find it very HANDY for such people to band together, it would save them a lot of time.

    If you want a 100% effective Panopticon, I can think of no better state on Earth that can make that happen by sweeping the undesirables under the rug.

    So what everyone has to decide in the end is, do they want a model like that or a model like America? I'm not really sure there are any other workable models left.

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  5. Re:Google works for Chinese government by MrKaos · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Same as in pre WWII Germany, where Ford sold trucks and IBM Holerite machines.

    (IIRC) U.S companies sued the US government for bombing German factories they invested in.

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  6. A plan for mental illness by MrKaos · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This system will be heaven for people with Narcissistic Personality Disorder because they will be able to extend their abuse onto anybody they meet in a meaningful way. They will be able to charm and connive all of the social goodwill they need while causing serious damage to the people they abuse.

    Social media is the vehicle for personality disorders to spread.

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  7. How to destabilize China... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hack the thing. The hack could come from a government, or a private organization like WikiLeaks with an interest in causing chaos. Don't destroy it, just start slightly altering people's credit.

    Just start lowering the credit of people with military training and access to guns a fractional amount. Veterans, police, military, etc. Make them slightly more angry and frustrated. Then start fractionally increasing the credit of people with borderline anti-government views. Create an angry underclass with military training and access to weapons while helping some of the people who will radicalize them do their thing.

  8. What could possibly go wrong? by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Beijing project will improve blacklist systems so that those deemed untrustworthy will be "unable to move even a single step,"

    So basically they will create a group of people who have nothing left to lose. Well done. That's going to work out great.

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  9. Re: A nightmare for freedom, but no benefits? by ljw1004 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Counterexample: every country that joined the EU gave up the supremacy of its own high court, have up the ability to determine numerous regulations, indeed have up the final say on its national budget as we see with Italy today.