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Seaweed Could Make Cows Burp Less Methane and Cut Their Carbon Hoofprint (technologyreview.com)

A diet supplemented with red algae could lessen the huge amounts of greenhouse gases emitted by cows and sheep, if we can just figure out how to grow enough. From a report: In a wooden barn on the edge of campus at the University of California, Davis, cattle line up at their assigned feed slots to snatch mouthfuls of alfalfa hay. This past spring, several of these Holstein dairy cows participated in a study to test a promising path to reducing methane emissions from livestock, a huge source of the greenhouse gases driving climate change. By adding a small amount of seaweed to the animals' feed, researchers found, they could cut the cows' methane production by nearly 60%. Each year, livestock production pumps out greenhouse gases with the equivalent warming effect of more than 7 gigatons of carbon dioxide, roughly the same global impact as the transportation industry. Nearly 40% of that is produced during digestion: cattle, goats, and sheep belch and pass methane, a highly potent, albeit relatively short-lived, greenhouse gas.

If the reductions achieved in the UC Davis study could be applied across the worldwide livestock industry, it would eliminate nearly 2 gigatons of those emissions annually -- about a quarter of United States' total climate pollution each year. Ermias Kebreab, an animal science professor at UC Davis who leads the work, is preparing to undertake a more ambitious study in the months ahead, evaluating whether smaller amounts of a more potent form of seaweed can cut methane emissions even further. Meanwhile, some businesses have begun to explore what could be the harder challenge: Growing it on a massive scale.

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  1. Half life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's the half life of methane?

    1. Re:Half life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can find numbers from about 9 years to 12 years for the "lifetime" of methane in the atmosphere. I can't find a specific half-life, however. It's definitely longer for CO2 than for methane, or course. Overall, the typical numbers seem to say that, compared to an equal amount of CO2, methane released into the atmosphere creates 34 times the warming, scaling for the different lifespans. So, methane is actually hundreds of times worse but, since it doesn't last as long, it's only 34 times as bad.

    2. Re:Half life by rossdee · · Score: 1

      That would depend on which isotope of carbon is involved.

      And I suppose iif its bonded with hydrogen or deuterium, or even tritium

  2. Pretty big "if". by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If the reductions achieved in the UC Davis study could be applied across the worldwide livestock industry, ...

    Applied *worldwide"? That's a pretty big undertaking - and a LOT of seaweed routinely grown and, probably, shipped as a feed additive.

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    1. Re: Pretty big "if". by Type44Q · · Score: 2

      Applied *worldwide"? That's a pretty big undertaking

      Rest easy: that kind of thing's done in parallel.

    2. Re:Pretty big "if". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ironically, almost certainly due to the increase in fertiliser run off into the gulf of Mexico from widespread agriculture, many Caribbean nations have been struggling with tourism with increasing frequency due to sargassum seaweed blooms, so the extent that it's making some resorts unbearable with patches of seaweed sufficiently large that they're trivially visible from the air, and with it washing up into piles multiple metres high on shore.

      Given these nations that are dependent on tourism don't know what to do with it, it seems there's an easy option here - give it back to the very nations and states that are causing the bloom in the first place to feed to their cattle.

      Of course, I suspect the cattle farmers don't want to pay for sea weed that's blooming due to crop farmers, the crop farmers won't want to pay for a problem they've caused and will whinge about how hard they have it despite the vast majority of them being millionaires, and the Caribbean states aren't wealthy enough to collect it all and ship it back for free.

      So ultimately the biggest problem here would seem to be not where we get it, but as usual who pays.

      http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature...

    3. Re: Pretty big "if". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They could make a commercial with the cows singing âoeI didnâ(TM)t know that I was starving til I tasted youâ to the seaweed. That would give farmers the giggles.

    4. Re: Pretty big "if". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sooooo.... you think a farmer in Iowa is causing runoff into the Caribbean?

      Okey dokey, Jack!

    5. Re: Pretty big "if". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Are you just being facetious, or are you serious? Of course they are! The Mississipi and Missouri rivers run through Iowa, then join up and flow out into the Gulf of Mexico. Where did you think the runoff went?

    6. Re:Pretty big "if". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Beef is way too huge an inudustry globally, so you have a point. Solving the problem with the damage the beef industry does to the the environment would probably just be easier to allow raising beef to naturally become unprofitable, and no longer allow manipulation of markets nor grant subsidies just to prop up a false romantic nostalgia for cowboys and beef ranches. There's all kinds of food, but somehow beef is still thrust at us as the only thing to eat, as though everything else to eat is just something that goes with beef. Its not natural. We are being maniplated.

    7. Re:Pretty big "if". by JMJimmy · · Score: 2

      This is old news - Australian research has shown it can nearly eliminate methane in the right concentration. Problem is they can't grow enough for it to scale and even if they could it's not economical.

    8. Re:Pretty big "if". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually there is more than one type of seaweed in the world. The summary mentions the word "red" in the first line, so it seems this is a different seaweed than what you're talking about.

    9. Re:Pretty big "if". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most likely, the beef doesn't taste right.

      Back in the day, we had a local farmer that used to also net fish on our lake. He took those fish, and fed them to the pigs. It was their main diet.

      And you could taste it, and that pork literally tasted off. It's the same reason why wild venison, and farmed venison don't taste the same, or why people that eat a lot of garlic, smell differently.

      Do you want beef that smells and tastes funny? Plus, the cost...

      Lots of farmers (here) just grow hay and feed that to the cattle in winter, and let them graze in summer. Same for grains. Lots of people don't corn feed their cattle, so if you're doing it off your land? Well, you'd be paying a lot more for this seaweed...

    10. Re:Pretty big "if". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sargassum is red seaweed, so no, it's not.

    11. Re:Pretty big "if". by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      The amounts are something like 4% of their intake - not a significant change to their diets

  3. My cows don't eat seaweed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At least not naturally. Will Whole Foods but my products?

    1. Re: My cows don't eat seaweed by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      They don't eat grains, either. At least not naturally.

  4. Old! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We already went over this before on Slashdot. Even if you scraped all the seaweed from the sea floor, there still wouldn't be nearly enough for all the cows. The solution is to engineer something to feed the cattle or the people (that doesn't come from cattle).

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    1. Re: Old! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am getting bored by these slashdot articles. Could you change them to be more like the times?
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    2. Re:Old! by owlaf · · Score: 1

      Reminds of the problem growing algae to make fuel out of it. Sounds great that it is mostly carbon neutral using the CO2 out of the air, and keep using the existing infrastructure. But it is highly unlikely to produce enough to matter

    3. Re:Old! by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      The solution is to engineer something to feed the cattle or the people (that doesn't come from cattle).

      How about using a different kind of cattle for feed?

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    4. Re:Old! by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 0

      How about using a different kind of cattle for feed?

      How about not caring? Cattle-produced methane is doing absolutely nothing to AGW, which is all about releasing all that fossilized carbon from 100 or so megayears back into the atmosphere. Cows turning plants into methane (plants take carbon from atmosphere, cows put it back into atmosphere) is irrelevant.

      Now, it might be argued that cows are a special case, and they produce much more methane than other herbivores. Or not. If we dispense with cows, some wild animal will still be farting into the atmosphere....

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    5. Re:Old! by mspohr · · Score: 1

      Or just stop raising cattle for food. They are horribly inefficient, the meat causes cancer, the fat causes heart disease, their farts and burps cause global warming and their waste pollutes groundwater. Bad for your health, bad for the environment.

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    6. Re:Old! by mspohr · · Score: 1

      Methane from cow farts and burps is 30 times as potent as CO2 for AGW. The carbon in methane does come from plants but by turning it into methane, they create a potent greenhouse gas.
      Cows are ruminants and create copious methane. Other animals don't.

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    7. Re:Old! by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      Much more methane comes from spills and leaks in the oil & gas industry, though.

    8. Re:Old! by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      meat causes cancer, the fat causes heart disease

      Both are based on extremely sloppy science. I challenge you to come with a single good causal study that shows a direct link from meat to either cancer or heart disease.

      They are horribly inefficient

      Not when you take into account they produce excellent nutrition, in good ratios, in good bioavailable forms, and the fact that you can let cattle graze on land that's unsuitable for growing crops.

    9. Re:Old! by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      ...and the fact that you can let cattle graze on land that's unsuitable for growing crops.

      Sure, you can, but the major issue is that most people don't. The beef industry is dominated by feedlots which are doubly inefficient and bad for the environment. Nothing like using good fertile land to grow food for cows and then using fossil fuels to transport it to them.

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    10. Re: Old! by mspohr · · Score: 1

      Well no, it's about the same amount.
      Besides natural sources such as peatland, wetlands and termites, methane from human activity â" approximately two-thirds of the total â" is produced in two ways: the odourless and colourless gas leaks during the production and transport of coal, oil and especially natural gas; and, in roughly equal measure, from the flatulence of ruminants such as cattle and sheep, as well as the decay of organic waste, notably in landfills.

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    11. Re:Old! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The solution is to engineer something to feed the cattle or the people (that doesn't come from cattle)./quote>

      Cows are just particularly bad. If the people who currently eat cows mostly switched to the world's most popular meats (namely either goats (#1) or chickens (#2)) we could lick this methane problem.

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  5. Might be doing it wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why isn't it better to collect the methane and use it to, oh, I dunno, heat the milking barn with it?

    1. Re:Might be doing it wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why isn't it better to collect the methane and use it to, oh, I dunno, heat the milking barn with it?

      Because the methane is too dilute to be energy positive to collect. In fact I'm quite sure the methane is too dilute to produce the global warming effects they claim.

    2. Re:Might be doing it wrong? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      An Anonymous Coward being sure is worthless. Provide numbers and citations.

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    3. Re:Might be doing it wrong? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Feed that cattle cabbage until they are profitable.

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    4. Re: Might be doing it wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hi Chris, so glad you are not anonymous and therefore your opinion is more reliable! (Uh, wut?)

      So anytime you are ready to post your full real name, address, phone and government ID we will be glad to listen to you. Until then you are no more reliable than any other idiot here.

      You fucking boring morons with your ad hominem attacks are well so fucking boring. And no it isnt ad hominem to call you fucking boring or stupid because you already crossed that line so it is merely a statement of fact.

    5. Re:Might be doing it wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not too dilute for the global warming effects, but it is too dilute to practically collect. Also, only about 45% of cows are dairy cows Also also, the cows are outside most of the time, anyway. Maybe if we kept the cows and their pastures in giant, transparent domes and allowed the methane to pool at the top at night (presumably, the sun would drive thermal currents during the day that would stir the air too much) so it could be selectively sucked out. That might be prohibitively expensive though. Maybe someone can design a cow flatulence diaper with a built-in compressor that all the cows can wear (and that somehow allows them to poop as needed). There's about 2 kg of methane in a therm, and a therm is about $0.45 wholesale. The average cow produces between 70 and 120 KG of methane, so that's about $15.75 to $27 of methane per year... If we assume that the device lasts about five years, it could collect something like $78.75 to $135 worth of methane over its lifetime, so it would obviously have to cost less than that to buy, operate, and maintain it (unless it were also subsidized somehow due to the benefit it provides environmentally). That might be a tall order. Also, there's no way it could be unpowered. Powering it directly through methane seems untenable. So, either a battery pack that's constantly switched out and charged, or maybe a solar power jacket on the cow. You could probably get 300 watts from the cow for about 8 hours a day. Of course, that would be 8.6 MegaJoules per day. So that would be something like 30 therms worth of electricity a year, which would be equal to the lower bound you could get in terms of power from the methane. So, as a value proposition (ignoring the externalities(, just building a solar farm would be more profitable.

  6. Hoofprint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cut their carbon hoofprint. Whoever wrote this must think they are fucking hilarious.

  7. Already done in Canada and Australia? by sidetrack · · Score: 1

    This was studied by a Canadian researcher, who later moved to Australia? See 2016 blog post here: https://blog.csiro.au/seaweed-hold-key-cutting-methane-emissions-cow-burps/ Maybe fully synthetic beef is a better idea - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWtEVbrNdI8&t=158s?

    1. Re:Already done in Canada and Australia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every synthetic protein/fat has been a horrible idea. Margarine, trans fat, soy anything, the list goes on and on. All have nasty to horrible health effects. I'm happy to watch YOU eat cheap vat-grown whatever, as long as I can still buy real food for triple the cost.

    2. Re: Already done in Canada and Australia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not if I have to pay for his healthcare, no. He can just go veggie while I eat my steak at normal, non-socialist prices.

  8. Not sure about Global Warming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But after Thanksgiving I'm putting off an excess of methane as well.
    Where exactly can I go and get some of this stuff so I can do my part for the environment?

  9. Re:Having a case of deja vu right now by ChrisMaple · · Score: 0

    the entire Silicon Valley is flooded for a hydro electric basin.

    So some of the most valuable real estate on the planet should be flooded as gravity storage for water? That's an astonishingly unproductive idea.

    From a construction point of view, the easiest way to do it would be to damn off the entire San Francisco Bay, which would have the advantage of flooding San Francisco, Oakland, and particularly Berkeley.

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  10. Synth meat by sidetrack · · Score: 1

    OK, well maybe, but we do have a bit of a better understanding now, and beef increases the risk of bowel cancer anyway. Maybe try watching the video and see what actually goes into that particular type - pretty much stuff you already eat...

    1. Re:Synth meat by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      beef increases the risk of bowel cancer anyway.

      No it doesn't. There is only a small correlation between meat consumption and cancer. The problem is that people that eat more meat also smoke more cigarettes, are more overweight, get less exercise, have more diabetes, lower income, worse job, and a worse overall diet. The cancer can be easily caused by any number of other factors. We've been telling people for decades that meat is bad, and this becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, as all the health conscious people reduce their meat intake.

      Also, none of the studies have shown a credible mechanism that would explain *how* meat causes cancer.

    2. Re:Synth meat by sidetrack · · Score: 1

      This is much like the smoking/cancer research (except a more difficult problem to prove in many ways). If you do not accept the link between bowel cancer and meat (especially "well done" meats, and preserved / processed meats), then there are significant environmental and land use impacts.

  11. Re: Having a case of deja vu right now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have lived in California for 30+ years.

    Economics has nothing to do with anything.

    It is: eeeeep! Nukes bad! Aaaasssssaah nukes!!

    And: no blood for big oil!! You canâ(TM)t drill our beautiful coasts so you can destroy the world and make money! Nukes! Eeeeep nukes! Wait, no, I mean oil! Oil! Eeeeeeeep!

    Welcome to California.

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  13. "This is the weapon of a jediknight"... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  14. Footprint - "Hoofprint" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Must be a MLP:FiM reference. Or perhaps Fallout: Equestria reference.

    Well, it's at least a reference to some pop culture cartoon-like world where sapients are four-legged, and still able to manipulate items quite well.

  15. No such issue by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 0, Troll

    Cows do not eat coal. Because the carbon that cows are belching now was pulled out of the atmosphere last year,â(TM)the cattle methane issue is, well, bullshit.

    1. Re:No such issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not all hydrocarbons are the same bro.

      Methane has a larger greenhouse effect than carbon dioxide.

    2. Re:No such issue by ghoul · · Score: 0

      CO2 is not a hydrocarbon. Also while CH4 is a more potent greenhouse gas it also breaks down pretty soon. CO2 is dangerous as it accumulates and doesnt break down. However there is something which uses CO2 - plants. Plant more crops instead of forests. Crops use a lot more CO2 than trees. Converting the rainforest to cropland will pretty much solve Global Warming.

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    3. Re:No such issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Crops use a lot more CO2 than trees" CITATION REQUIRED REPUBLICAN

    4. Re:No such issue by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      Crops use a lot more CO2 than trees.

      Pretty much all the CO2 that is taken up by crops is released again when you (or animals) eat them.

    5. Re:No such issue by ghoul · · Score: 1

      So? Everything dies and the carbon comes back to atmosphere. What matters is how long the carbon is trapped out of the air.
      In tropical regions there are 3 to 4 crops a year so there is always carbon in crop form. During winter northern climates may not have standing crops but most trees also lose most leaves so forests are not doing any carbon uptake. So that just leaves the bodies of the trees. That is a small increase in heat during winter for decrease in heat during the entire year. I dont see a problem?

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  16. Cows can and do eat rocks and nails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, just because they can and will eat seaweed gives zero indication it will be any good for the cows.

  17. Re:Pretty big "if" - like IF YOU DO THE MATH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you have any idea how far the ozone hole is (both in distance and time) from most users of chlorofluorocarbons? How far the great pacific garbage patch is from where people are improperly disposing of all that plastic? Do you have any numbers on how much dilution actually occurs in that environment? That might be more believable.

  18. But....cows have ALWAYS been... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...burping and farting, same as us!

  19. Teach cows to swim by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

    So they can get their own seaweed.

    1. Re:Teach cows to swim by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      So they can get their own seaweed.

      Or we could just eat manatees.

    2. Re:Teach cows to swim by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      Or cows could learn to eat manatees.

    3. Re:Teach cows to swim by blindseer · · Score: 1

      So they can get their own seaweed.

      Then we will call this place where the cows swim out to eat seaweed Cowtown.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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  20. Ruminations: Methane math and context by js290 · · Score: 1
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  21. Re:Having a case of deja vu right now by blindseer · · Score: 1

    So some of the most valuable real estate on the planet should be flooded as gravity storage for water? That's an astonishingly unproductive idea.

    So is feeding seaweed to cattle.

    California is driving these ideas with laws that they believe will save the planet from global warming while they ignore far more productive means to reduce the production of global warming gasses. If they were taking this problem seriously then they'd find some smart people that know how this all works and take their advice. One that comes to mind is Dr. Patrick Moore. Dr. Moore's website: http://ecosense.me/ Here's an opinion article he wrote years ago about this: http://ecosense.me/2017/01/18/...

    In the 1970s and 1980s the USA was putting nuclear power plants on line at a rate of one gigawatt of new capacity per month. This is not new technology but it is exceedingly safe, so low carbon that it produces less CO2 per kWh than "zero carbon" wind and solar, will run 24/7 for months at a time (which wind and solar could never do), and do so as cheap or cheaper than solar ever could. Maybe wind power can be cheaper but that still leaves the problems of being intermittent (which adds costs in other ways), and higher CO2. If we could build 12 nuclear power plants per year 40 years ago then I'm guessing we could build 24 per year today. And we'll have to build them that fast soon just to keep up with demand.

    I hear this all the time, "but solar power is getting cheaper every day!" Well, you think it's impossible for nuclear power to get cheaper? How did solar get so cheap in the first place? My guess is it got cheap with competition, experience, economies of scale, and just generally being sold on the open market for utilities to buy. Nuclear power will get cheaper as we build them. That's because we'd gain experience, economies of scale, competition, and so on. Any complaints on nuclear power being expensive is the result of not building them for the last 40 years.

    This explains why the wind and solar power advocates fear nuclear power so much. It's not because of radioactive waste or what not. They fear nuclear power because they know if anyone starts building nuclear power again then their market advantage disappears. Wind and solar cannot compete against nuclear power on price or CO2 reductions.

    Oh, getting back to the hydro storage angle, storage technology cannot save wind and solar. Battery storage is not cheap. Pumped hydro storage is cheap but we'd need a lot of it to make wind and solar viable. Unless you want to see a lot of valuable land flooded then we will not have enough storage. Even if we did have storage that's cheap and plentiful then this helps nuclear power as much as wind and solar. Nuclear reactors like to run real steady, changing output on a nuclear reactor stresses the materials and so they don't like to change output if they don't have to. Put a big battery bank outside a nuclear power plant and the batteries load follow instead of the reactor. If someone builds a battery for wind and solar power then expect that to be used by the utility for managing their coal, nuclear, and natural gas power as well.

    California is just full of astonishingly unproductive ideas. They will have to learn to embrace nuclear power or face blackouts.

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  22. mod parent up by bussdriver · · Score: 1

    In addition, there isn't enough seaweed to feed all the cows and the cost is a big factor. This would have to be mandated in a big way to even make a dent.... Sure they can isolate the specifics to bring down costs and create something cheaper but without mandating it there is a snowball's chance in hell.

    The reality is that we will just have to TAX meat by warming impact and only the people who can afford it will eat a lot of it. This wouldn't be different than truffles etc.

    BTW, global warming is going to price more people out of products like truffles or natural coffee (which is already being padded with fillers.) To create a direct artificial cost burden on a product is a political hurdle but we are indirectly forcing price hikes on thousands of other products as supply dwindles... due to in part to us not limiting meat production... Arguably, we are subsidizing meat at the price of everything else because we aren't smart enough to see we MUST choose winners and losers. Doing nothing is a choice. You see meat prices now, adjust to your budget if it actually impacts you and bitch regardless... but you'll not think of all the other costs down the road that are staring you in the face at this moment.

  23. Re:Pretty big "if" - like IF YOU DO THE MATH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Except the ozone is in a much higher part of the atmosphere, where large stratus layers settle over time and there's actually little mixing compared to the lower zones. It's not a great comparison.

  24. Re:Having a case of deja vu right now by tepples · · Score: 1

    If someone builds a battery for wind and solar power then expect that to be used by the utility for managing their coal, nuclear, and natural gas power as well.

    Tesla's battery at Hornsdale has proven that battery storage is good enough not only for grid frequency stabilization but also for arbitrage.

  25. Hillary voters are going to save us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From the dire threat of cow farts? People will come up with any excuse to avoid real work. Those types elect politicians to give them healthcare and everything else because they refuse to do an honest day's work.

    Captcga: menial

  26. Stop looking for ways to rape the sea more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes there is seawwed out there, stop looking for ways to use and abuse it so you can justify raping the sea even more.

    1. Re: Stop looking for ways to rape the sea more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The sea shouldnâ(TM)t have worn that short skirt then.

  27. CORN is a cheap but poor food source for cattle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Feeding cattle corn is one of the main problems. It screws up bovine digestion, increasing gas production and bacterial infection in cows, particularly E. coli.

    Corn is great for making cows fat but bad for the environment.

    >"Most bacteria are killed by the acid of stomach juice, but E. coli from grain-fed cattle are resistant to strong acids," explains James B. Russell, a USDA microbiologist and faculty member of the Cornell Section of Microbiology. "When people eat foods contaminated with acid-resistant E. coli -- including pathogenic strains like O157:H7 -- the chance of getting sick increases."

    This E. coli is associated with greater gas production.
    Increased corn in the bovine diet is associated with increased E. coli infection .

  28. Buffalo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now I know why Americans destroyed Buffalo herds... They was afraid of methane.... Stupid American ediots... The the stupider with his multimillion Fondation.. Bill

  29. They’re ignoring the obvious solution by Hallux-F-Sinister · · Score: 1

    Cow flatulence, according to the article, is responsible for as much greenhouse gas emmissions as the transportation industry. Without changing the diets of cattle, or forcing everyone to drive electric cars, carbon dioxide emissions could be cut in half by combining these two things so that the same objectives are achieved by a single action instead of two:

    RIDE COWS!

    Look at the situation. We have like, billions of cows, most of them standing around doing NOTHING. We, as a society, produce X gigatons of CO2 moving stuff around, while the cows farting also produces roughly X gigatons of the same gas in the same amount of time, resulting in a total of 2 * X gigatons of CO2 per time period.

    If, however, we all abandoned our cars and trucks, and just rode cows, we could ELIMINATE X gigatons of CO2, just by doing that. PLUS, as a free bonus, EVERYONE gets heated leather seats to ride around on, no more cheap, shitty vinyl or cloth seats! AND If your ride ever breaks down, instead of calling AAA or a tow service and paying hundreds of dollars, you just call your nearest friend, who rides his cow out, bringing his wife and kids, plus a BIG ‘OL BUCKET of BBQ sauce and some fire wood, and instead of your day being ruined, you get barbeque BURGERS and STEAKS! IT’S A WIN-WIN, FOLKS!

    IF your cow was lactating at the time she broke down, guess what? You get milkshakes to wash those burgers down with! You know it’s the right thing to do! Write your member of congress or senator, or preferably both, and DEMAND we eliminate all gasoline and diesel-powered cars and trucks from America’s highways and bighways, and replace them with good ‘ol BESSY!

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    Our reign has gone on long enough. Indeed. Summon the meteors.
  30. Horrible idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As anybody who hunts and eats deer will tell you, the flavor of the meat of an animal is affected by what it eats; deer that steal their meals from farmer's fields taste very different from their much-less-delicious counterparts who dine amonst the pine trees.

    I have certainly not run this experiment with beef and seaweed, but I'd not be surprised if the resulting cheeseburger took on a decidedly fishy flavor (ugh).

    Destroying the flavor of a burger to save ther planet is problematic - life might not be worth living in such a saved world. Perhaps we could achieve the same carbon suppression by eliminateing all the global warming fanatics? After all, they are the ones who insist that the stuff they are doing is destorying the planet. We could start by just banning them from flying private jets to luxury vacation spots to hold glitsy climate change conferences.

  31. Cow news and selective hearing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes target meat production and not the larger polluter of global rice production.

    "Flooded rice (Oryza sativa L.) cultivation has been identified as one of the leading global agricultural sources of anthropogenic methane (CH4) emissions. Furthermore, it has been estimated that global rice production is responsible for 11% of total anthropogenic CH4 emissions. Considering that CH4 has a global warming potential that is approximately 25 times more potent, on a mass basis, than carbon dioxide (CO2) and rice production is globally extensive "

    https://www.intechopen.com/books/greenhouse-gases/methane-emissions-from-rice-production-in-the-united-states-a-review-of-controlling-factors-and-summ

    1. Re:Cow news and selective hearing by sidetrack · · Score: 1

      Err, meat produces about 4 times as much CH4 as rice. Both need to be tacked source. What's the problem with feeding them a bit of seaweed, that's been done for centuries in seaside farms anyway!

    2. Re:Cow news and selective hearing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's just argue about how much worse other stuff is and do nothing until we all die.

  32. Enough already - nobody cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get this bullshit off Slashdot