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Canada Arrests Top Huawei Executive For Allegedly Violating Iran Sanctions (theglobeandmail.com)
Canada has arrested Huawei's chief financial officer on suspicion of violating U.S. trade sanctions against Iran. "Wanzhou Meng, who is also the deputy chair of Huawei's board and the daughter of company founder Ren Zhengfei, was arrested in Vancouver at the request of U.S. authorities," reports The Globe and Mail. From the report: "Wanzhou Meng was arrested in Vancouver on December 1. She is sought for extradition by the United States, and a bail hearing has been set for Friday," Justice department spokesperson Ian McLeod said in a statement to The Globe and Mail. "As there is a publication ban in effect, we cannot provide any further detail at this time. The ban was sought by Ms. Meng.
A Canadian source with knowledge of the arrest said U.S. law enforcement authorities are alleging that Ms. Meng tried to evade the U.S. trade embargo against Iran but provided no further details. Since at least 2016, U.S. authorities have been reviewing Huawei's alleged shipping of U.S.-origin products to Iran and other countries in violation of U.S. export and sanctions laws.
A Canadian source with knowledge of the arrest said U.S. law enforcement authorities are alleging that Ms. Meng tried to evade the U.S. trade embargo against Iran but provided no further details. Since at least 2016, U.S. authorities have been reviewing Huawei's alleged shipping of U.S.-origin products to Iran and other countries in violation of U.S. export and sanctions laws.
FUCK HUEWEI HU-ORS! You play by the rules OR WE FUCK YOU UP
Thanks slashdot for re-enabling the malware redirects on all your android links.
Holding as a hostage for negotiation. I thought only terrorists think of this trick and a not a country that say "In God We Trust"?
* NAFTA has made Canada the USA's dog.
* Iran apparently goes from friend to foe to friend to foe, depending on the mood of the day of the USA, and if they bend over backwards to be the USA's proxy vassal against Russia yet again. Nobody seems to even care about the average people who actually have to live there.
* Trump is the first factor, that may be strong enough, to get the world to put an embargo on the USA. Let's be honest: It's only a question of time. (And if you scramble, to get rid of him, I must tell you that the next one very likely will be even worse, but seem nice [like Obama], and the one after that will be worse again, but not nice anymore. It's the traditional pattern of the fake two party system.)
* I just hope everyone is well. Americans, Canadians, Chinese, Iranians, Russians, etc. And that there was such a thing as a closed neuro-psychological therapy center for entire countries.
What could possibly go wrong?
“The Chinese side firmly opposes to and strongly protests over such kind of actions which seriously harmed the human rights of the victim,” the embassy said in a statement."
The rest of the world side laughs at China's pretend outrage over human rights when a fraudster who is evading sanctions and avoiding facing charges is captured and given a fair trial in an actual court.
Meanwhile the head of INTERPOL is missing. Mum's the word?
I guess you were afraid to mention what piss-ant country you're from, lest the US military comes and spreads some democracy on your sorry ass
The accused is being extradited to the USA, seniore Einstein-san. The accusations are against a company which has 'some' assets in the US also. You can continue to read next time, assuming you learn to read at all in the interim. Begin.
China did the same thing to a Rio Tinto executive from Australia. Sent the guy to prison for 8 years for--please don't laugh--corruption and stealing commercial secrets.
It's about time that the Chinese elite started getting hit back as hard as they hit everyone else.
Personally, I hope Trump sends her to Gitmo while they sort out whether to indict her just to make the Chinese elite squirm.
Canada is UKUSA since the beginning. You are a moron who doesn't know a goddam moosefuck from an elkboof about this.
Since I learned of the Chinese habit of holding US citizens in debtors prison for debts owed by their employers I don't care. China has misbehaved one time too many.
For this reason, God sends them a powerful delusion(operation of wandering)(planet) so that they will believe the lie.
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If the Chinese told Americans doing business with them to not ship their parts to a country under their embargo, you can bet your sweet ass the Ministry for State Security would make an example of you the moment you got to where they could snatch you with permission from the country where you are staying.
You back a oligarchal totalitarian cabal country like China, you break the laws of other countries and visit them anyway, FUCK YOU, AND IN YOUR FACE. The system works.
Fuck tiger mamas, fuck fake dragon shit, winter is ACTUALLY coming and it's fucking COLD on that prison floor, awww. You break the law, YOU GET THE TRUMP TREATMENT. PRISON.
Has the U.S. government conclusively pierced this veil?
My understanding of the U.S. "sanctions" is basically the U.S. administration telling corporations "if you trade with them, we will not do any trading with you." In which they are technically within their rights.
Arresting those who do not abide by those non-UN approved sanctions? That takes it to another level.
Why the hell is Canada taking part in this? This is almost as legit as dissident arrest warrants that dictatorships routinely issue.
Yes, this is the Wikipedia entry for the Rio Tinto prosecution.
Several mining companies reported that their computer systems were compromised around that time.
She could go from US soil directly to GITMO, not a problem. Trump is however too incompetent politically to make that issue work even if she were a terrorist threat, which it would require for her to go there. and she's not.
Just another Chinese fraud.
Julian Ku, a professor at Hofstra University Law School, wrote on Twitter that the move was justifiable. “US law prohibits exports of certain US-origin technologies to certain countries,” he said. “When Huawei pays to license certain US tech, it promises not to export to certain countries like Iran. So it is not unreasonable for the US to punish Huawei for flouting this US law.”
How much would you like it if the Chinese had you kidnapped someplace because you violated their laws even when you are not a Chinese citizen?
Doesn't this run counter to First Sale Doctrine, though? We're talking about physical products here, not technologies. The manufacturer (and U.S. government) lose distribution rights to a thing once it has been sold.
Dumb chinks better remember that !!
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The only (legal) way to get the product out of the country is via an export license. The terms of that license say under what conditions said product can be removed from the country. Those terms include not selling the product to Iran. If you violate those terms you break the law, regardless of whether you own the thing you are selling.
It is not unreasonable for the US to prosecute, but it is unreasonable for Canada to help them prosecute, given that the UN sanctions were dropped, and the US went it alone to reinstate sanctions. Probably NAFTA is being dangled in front of them as a carrot, but they should have learnt by now not to trust the current US administration to keep their word.
This Huawei thing isn't a big deal. China's ZTE had the same problem and they found a simple solution.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-zte-order-after-china-gave-millions-to-trump-organization-tied-project-2018-5/
lather, rinse, repeat
How much would you like it if the Chinese had you kidnapped someplace because you violated their laws even when you are not a Chinese citizen?
I would not like it, but I would expect it if I operated a business in China that broke their laws, and I visited a country that had extradition treaties with China.
I doubt this had anything to do with the UN sanctions/ Iran nuclear deal
There were many high-tech products made in the USA that were not part of the nuclear deal sanctions, and have always been off-limits to several countries, Iran among those since 1996.
I do not know for sure if the US products that Huawei shipped to Iran were outside the nuclear deal, but I believe these were pre-proscribed because they are high-tech products made in the USA.
Huawei is not accused of export license violations. It is selling its own tech to Iran. The problem US has that if Iran is getting tech from non US sources there are no NSA backdoors which can be used to introduce viruses into Iranian system.
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Yet as far as I know such actions are completely unprecedented. Never before has a foreigner been arrested and then attempts for extradition. Sanctions against the person or company yes, but not arrest.
umm how does an export license tie an importer or downstream party to an agreement they never made? Plus- it's US law. Now Chinese law. It stops at the boarder. You can't break a law that doesn't apply to you. Now that isn't what the US is claiming. They have no problem persecuting people and taking them hostage for US laws they couldn't have broken in the first place. The abuse that is government is mind boggling. We need to put an end to big government and put liability onto those making these decisions and guarantee each target equal if not greater access to resources to defend accusations of wrongdoing. Plus the jury needs to stop being stacked against the defendant and we need to get rid of plea deals and the fair sentencing guidelines that result in harsh and unreasonable sentences.
This is ridiculous and the Canadians are ruining their reputation by playing along.
Recently French President Macron calls for creating an European army to reduce military reliance on the US; about 2 weeks later the French CEO Carlos Ghosn of Renault/Nissan was arrested for accounting fraud. Watch out, someone in the US government are letting their dogs out.
I thought only terrorists think of this trick and a not a country that say "In God We Trust"?
That depends on which god they trust. Currently, they seem to be following one best summed up as "stupid-Loki".
Why am I not surprised to see such wild goose threads as this? Rather sad not to see any funny comments, but no mention of Nissan or stock prices and only trivial mentions of Iran.
Starting with the Iran aspect since it did get touched: Violation of sanctions is a matter of opinion, where the rest of the world is on the other side from TrumpLand. Not sure what pressure they managed to find to persuade Canada to make the arrest, but it's not a wise move. The stock market is going to be badly spooked no matter what Xi decides to do about it.
However I think the general anarchic attitude towards international law is beginning to bear poisonous fruit. A few weeks ago the Japanese government arrested Ghosn of Nissan for crimes that most of the French regard as trumped up. Going to be interesting trying to recruit executives for international assignments going forward.
Anyway, my own experiences with Huawei products have been surprisingly positive. Is that a disclaimer or a hedge?
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Remember alstom affair that lead to general electric to buy the power division ...
Can you tie this to the U.S. recent outcry that the world should stop buying the more reliable and lower-cost Huawei telecom equipment, in favor over their own backdoored Cisco and Juniper equipment? I'm sure they're not even remotely related. /s
This is how the U.S. usually tries to create internal conflict in its perceived enemies (who are enemies simply because they exist), by issuing global arrest warrants of people in government, tech companies, or intelligence agencies, and accusing them of "hacking" or breaking their own made-up sanctions.
They know very well that they can shape the news to make Huawei look bad, and that it will create internal conflict as well.
I hope the world starts realizing how the U.S. is manupulative and divisive, and is already guilty of all the things they accuse others of.
Never heard of an "end user certificate" have you?
Break the law or violate a contract where you agreed not to export to Iran? The latter is not a crime, it's a civil matter.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
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There is no 'contract' involved. In order to export from the US, you need an export license issued by the government. Getting the license includes agreeing that the exported goods will not be transferred (to your knowledge) to Iran (or other embargoed places). So, you can call it either 'exporting without a valid license' or 'fraudulently obtaining an export license', but either way it is a serious criminal matter.
Who gets the licence, the exporter or the receiver? And which was Huwawei?
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Are you guys seriously arguing that the Trump administration is not corrupt enough, but you masters of choice are? You seriously want leaders that are adept at being corrupt?
I need a drink.
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Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
If the contract is with a company, yes, it's civil. But if you think that contracts signed with the government cannot have criminal consequences, you're a damn fool. And I know you're from the UK, so I guess this might surprise you, but the UK has laws almost identical.
I was looking to purchase some 'vanta black' because wouldn't it be cool, which is patented by a UK company. Turns out that it's export controlled, and I, in the US, would need to acquire an export license if I wanted to purchase any of it. In that export license it clearly spells out that if I were to then in turn provide it to another party, I would be in criminal violation of UK law. Being in the US, who has an extradition treaty with the UK, the US would likely extradite me to the UK for prosecution. The same would be true for the EU, Australia and quite a few other countries.
This isn't exactly new. I do wonder if people are purposely being obtuse.
You say that we don't get to dictate anything to the rest of the world.
Tell that to the bitch whose about to get extradited.
The European cries out in pain as he takes the welfare check from you.
"In God We Trust"? tells you you're dealing with Crazy. The fact that it is the United States that has succumbed to this particularly noxious and toxic form of communicable mental illness, rather than some middle-eastern shithole, to coin a presidential phrase, may be surprising to some, but for those of us who've lived all our lives here and had to cope with a steady level of madness from the country's most influencial Death Cults (evangelical sects and catholocism) it's just another day of keeping your head down and trying not to draw the ire, or attention, of the crazies.
Now that they have unfettered control of the executive branch, including the launch codes, and are so keen on engineering the end of the world, we should all be afraid. But to those of us watching (and usually silenced for not "respecting" religiosity, as if madness deserves some kind of unfettered respect), this is hardly surprising, and it will only get much, much worse before it gets better (and I wouldn't bet three cents on it ever getting better, except via human extinction, which is no doubt an improvement for the world, but not for us).
This screws up all Canadian relations with Canada. Stop this. Release Ms. Meng.
Whatever beefs China has with the U.S.A. should be left between them.
Trumps ways of improving China - U.S.A. relations are terrible. It's going to hurt all countries concerned rather than helping them.
Have you heard that there are toilet bowl cleaners with Trumps head on them now? Made in Canada as of today.
Do you have anything real to offer, beyond thought-terminating clichees, personal attacks, and literally the same logic that Hitler's propaganda minister used?
Have you thought that maybe if the whole world, and even most of your countrymen disagree with you, that it might be you who is what you called me? Or are we simply projecting?
Most people are ignorant about how the law actually works. The general idea is that laws are sets of rules that one follows and if they breach the law a punishment follows. However, in the real world that is missing element and thst is enforcement. Laws are really broken all the time and by just abijt everyone st sone point.
The real catch is whst laws are enforced, when and what punishments are sought. We don't have special task forces hunting down heroine abusers, college rapists or millionaire pedophiles. We could because all are violating our laws. However the government decides which laws are prioritized for enforcement based on the leaders politics.
There are likely thousands of people involved in breaking US sanctions, this is a political move and an idiotic one at that.
According to the BBC front page story about this, "China says her detention is possibly a rights abuse." Since when was China a bastion of human rights and freedom? As for Canada, a five eyes state, the 'leadership' in the last several years is incapable of moving past 'lapdog' status for the USA. The current dimwit as Prime Minister makes a show of resisting the US president, but his administration is in lockstep with it. Canada a bastion of human rights? Centuries of documented treatment of First Nations peoples suggest otherwise. They all deserve each other.
umm how does an export license tie an importer or downstream party to an agreement they never made? Plus- it's US law. Now Chinese law. It stops at the boarder. You can't break a law that doesn't apply to you.
Huawei does business inside the US so they are subject to US laws.
You really don't want to get into a war with China. You WILL lose.
WTO makes non tariff barriers illegal and open to challenge. Export control laws are non tariff barriers to trade. China would be within its rights to retaliate through tariffs or non tariff barriers of its own. Or it can just ignore the export control laws because it knows if US tries to enforce them they will be proven to be illegal at the WTO.
**Life is too short to be serious**
We won't lose, but nobody will win.