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Canada Arrests Top Huawei Executive For Allegedly Violating Iran Sanctions (theglobeandmail.com)

Canada has arrested Huawei's chief financial officer on suspicion of violating U.S. trade sanctions against Iran. "Wanzhou Meng, who is also the deputy chair of Huawei's board and the daughter of company founder Ren Zhengfei, was arrested in Vancouver at the request of U.S. authorities," reports The Globe and Mail. From the report: "Wanzhou Meng was arrested in Vancouver on December 1. She is sought for extradition by the United States, and a bail hearing has been set for Friday," Justice department spokesperson Ian McLeod said in a statement to The Globe and Mail. "As there is a publication ban in effect, we cannot provide any further detail at this time. The ban was sought by Ms. Meng.

A Canadian source with knowledge of the arrest said U.S. law enforcement authorities are alleging that Ms. Meng tried to evade the U.S. trade embargo against Iran but provided no further details. Since at least 2016, U.S. authorities have been reviewing Huawei's alleged shipping of U.S.-origin products to Iran and other countries in violation of U.S. export and sanctions laws.

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  1. Hostage for negotiation by hackingbear · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Holding as a hostage for negotiation. I thought only terrorists think of this trick and a not a country that say "In God We Trust"?

    1. Re:Hostage for negotiation by cloud.pt · · Score: 2

      The US is a great country, with a diversity to envy and genuine potential to keep leading democracy, if they get ahold of its reins like they do every other decade. But one canot forget that both US, Russia and China, the 3 world potencies, have all taken ahold of land, or even entire countries as hostage for negotiations. It is, after all, the country that seeks to arrest its own whistleblowers. Leadership has been a real problem in the world lately, but America does get the prize of being the most flamboyant about it, even though they aren't nearly has tainted as the other 2 in corruption of the democratic process (but they ARE a bit though).

    2. Re:Hostage for negotiation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      US BAD (Score:5, Interesting)

      No more sense than Westboro around here.

    3. Re:Hostage for negotiation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > She got more votes than Trump, because the president of American is NOT elected democratically, where is the "democracy" in that?

      Because there is a system, that was set up, which means the election isn't a direct link to majority vote count, and all of the candidates knew this beforehand.

      When you lose chess do you pretend you were playing a different game?

    4. Re:Hostage for negotiation by SirAstral · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "When you lose chess do you pretend you were playing a different game?"

      When parties lose elections yes, they do pretend they were playing a different game. This is why Democrats cry that Trump is a threat to Democracy and also claim that this is why the "Electoral College" should be abolished. Changing that requires a Constitutional Amendment.

      Trump is not a threat to our Democracy... we need to have one for him to threaten to begin with.

    5. Re:Hostage for negotiation by SirAstral · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A bit of trivia... did you know that there is no constitutional requirement for states to let citizens even vote for president of USA?

      However the states decided to allow it through their own laws, which is why each state has slightly different rules about how the electors are "encouraged/required" to vote.

      You should look up the term "faithless elector". You might be shocked https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      This is one of the reasons I consider anyone that calls America a Democracy to be more than just an ignorant idiot. They are either a moron or intentionally proffering a straight up lie for idiots to gobble up like mad.

    6. Re:Hostage for negotiation by bickerdyke · · Score: 2

      By now, that's probably not worth more than Google's "don't be evil"

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    7. Re:Hostage for negotiation by bickerdyke · · Score: 2

      Actually it does.

      How would you like to be arrested for breaking Lampukistan law even though you are not a Lampukian citizen and never been have to Lampukistan?

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    8. Re:Hostage for negotiation by bickerdyke · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sounds logical.... until you're thinking it through...

      So.. let's say some European country has money laundering laws that require you to report your bank accounts or international money transfers to the local law enforcement authorities.

      Coco Cola company does business with that country.

      So every Coca Coly employee going on vavation to Euro Disney or Heidelberg should be arrested on spot because Cocoa Coly Company did not report the sale of Coke Mexico to the EU authorities?

      Yes, if you are doing business in that country what you are doing in that country is subject to that countries laws.

      Just because your company is doing buisness in Japan does NOT imply you have to drive on the left side of the road in the town Whatever, Indiana!

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  2. Such a joke. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    * NAFTA has made Canada the USA's dog.
    * Iran apparently goes from friend to foe to friend to foe, depending on the mood of the day of the USA, and if they bend over backwards to be the USA's proxy vassal against Russia yet again. Nobody seems to even care about the average people who actually have to live there.
    * Trump is the first factor, that may be strong enough, to get the world to put an embargo on the USA. Let's be honest: It's only a question of time. (And if you scramble, to get rid of him, I must tell you that the next one very likely will be even worse, but seem nice [like Obama], and the one after that will be worse again, but not nice anymore. It's the traditional pattern of the fake two party system.)
    * I just hope everyone is well. Americans, Canadians, Chinese, Iranians, Russians, etc. And that there was such a thing as a closed neuro-psychological therapy center for entire countries.

  3. No, just a warning shot across their bow by MikeRT · · Score: 2, Insightful

    China did the same thing to a Rio Tinto executive from Australia. Sent the guy to prison for 8 years for--please don't laugh--corruption and stealing commercial secrets.

    It's about time that the Chinese elite started getting hit back as hard as they hit everyone else.

    Personally, I hope Trump sends her to Gitmo while they sort out whether to indict her just to make the Chinese elite squirm.

  4. Rio Tinto by emil · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yes, this is the Wikipedia entry for the Rio Tinto prosecution.

    Several mining companies reported that their computer systems were compromised around that time.

  5. Re:Isn't there such a thing as a "corporate veil?" by Aighearach · · Score: 4, Informative

    That isn't what that means. That veil protects the investors, not the employees.

    The reality is that many legal protections are afforded to the corporation by the presumption that it wants to do the right thing; it isn't a person, it isn't self-aware, so it can't desire to break the law.

    So a law that bans a broad action, but where the individual steps are all otherwise-legal, then the crime falls on the corporation, and the individuals are all protected. And the corporation just gets a fine, because it didn't have intent, the sum of the (legal) individual actions simply added up to a crime.

    But when the individual actions were themselves illegal, then it is entirely the fault of the employee; the corporation can't intentionally want you to do something wrong, it is just a piece of paper. If you were ordered to commit a crime, that was your boss committing a crime, and you were the accomplice. So the corporation is protected. Still financially responsible, though.

    Here, the individual action violates sanctions, so that is an individual crime by the employee. And the resulting trade that the company was intentionally doing also is criminal. So a situation like this, you have a whole bunch of individual employees who committed crimes, but the corporation was aware of the trade and the people who should have stopped it didn't, so those acts land on both the individuals, and the company.

    I am not a lawyer. If you don't want to violate sanctions against Iran, don't trade with Iran.

  6. US sets Trade rules on US originating technologies by schwit1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Julian Ku, a professor at Hofstra University Law School, wrote on Twitter that the move was justifiable. “US law prohibits exports of certain US-origin technologies to certain countries,” he said. “When Huawei pays to license certain US tech, it promises not to export to certain countries like Iran. So it is not unreasonable for the US to punish Huawei for flouting this US law.”

  7. Re:US sets Trade rules on US originating technolog by bws111 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The only (legal) way to get the product out of the country is via an export license. The terms of that license say under what conditions said product can be removed from the country. Those terms include not selling the product to Iran. If you violate those terms you break the law, regardless of whether you own the thing you are selling.

  8. Re:Isn't there such a thing as a "corporate veil?" by ghoul · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The problem is that these sanctions are illegal (as in unilateral and not UN sanctioned) so for Huawei to actually follow the sanctions would be illegal and Huawei execs could be arrested for doing so. They cant win.
    US law has no validity outside of US. I dont know how Canada is going to extradite when no crime has been committed on US soil or Candian soil. This is just a kidnapping.

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  9. Re: Whoa whoa whoa by bickerdyke · · Score: 2

    Would you say the same about corruption? What about slavery? Criminal cartels?

    Actually.... yes.

    No matter which crimes you're talking about, extending a countries jurisdiction over the actual borders usually isn't a good idea. When X isn't a crime in country Y, country Z would only makes things worse by interfering directly. (Of course it's a completly different situation when Y and Z officials are cooperating or have any agreements on law enforcement)

    U.S. gives up wealth an trade with Iran specifically to limit the human rights violations that this regime engages in bad faith. When a company develops a scheme to capture for themselves the profit that U.S. sacrifices, it is guilty of aiding human rights violations that the sanctions are limiting.

    Well currently the US is in violaition of the contract they negotiated themselfes that was actually designed to end human right violations and building more nuclear weapons.

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  10. Re:Every country for itself by rtb61 · · Score: 2

    Well, in this case it is not funny because expect counter arrests in 3.. 2.. 1.. . You know it will be coming, the government of China can be somewhat thin skinned at times and this arrest will come with penalties, it is inevitable, at a guess quite a few arrests for all sorts of reasons.

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