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Cuba Offers 3G Mobile Internet Access To Citizens (bbc.com)

Cuba's population is to be offered internet access via a 3G mobile network from later this week. From a report: Telecom provider Etecsa said citizens would be able to start subscribing to the service from Thursday. Until now, locals have mostly relied on wi-fi hotspots and internet cafes and the 3G service has been restricted to state-employed journalists and foreign businesses among others. This will change -- but many will still be unable to afford the new contracts. Etecsa's packages range from a month's use of 600MB of data for 7CUC ($7) to 4GB for 30CUC. Users get a bonus 300MB use of local .cu domain websites. But the average state wage for the island's 11.2 million residents is the equivalent of about $30 per month.

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  1. Just enough for indoctrination by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

    That's really not enough data to do anything of consequence, except deliver a small amount of propaganda to users' handsets. Congratulations on keeping it dictatorial, Cuba.

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    1. Re: Just enough for indoctrination by lucasnate1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Quite the opposite. The only thing that a broad band gives is YouTube videos and pics. Under a slower connection, one must resort to what scares american children the most: text, which has a long history of encouraging independent critical thought.

    2. Re:Just enough for indoctrination by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      That's really not enough data to do anything of consequence, except deliver a small amount of propaganda to users' handsets. Congratulations on keeping it dictatorial, Cuba.

      Shocking, isn't it?

      And here I would have thought that communist dictatorships would somehow be less dictatorial ...

    3. Re:Just enough for indoctrination by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      And here I would have thought that communist dictatorships would somehow be less dictatorial ...

      Cuba has never been communist any more than China or Russia. They have always been ruled by a moneyed power elite. That's not Communism, it's capitalism dressed up as Communism. It is essentially jumping straight to late-stage capitalism without enjoying any of the benefits of the early or middle stages.

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    4. Re:Just enough for indoctrination by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 2

      And here I would have thought that communist dictatorships would somehow be less dictatorial ...

      Cuba has never been communist any more than China or Russia.

      Sorry, but at some point you just have to own it.

      Cuba, China, and Soviet Russia are/were communist. They are exactly what you get when true believers in communism implement communism. You've had over a century to come up with some sort of counterexample.

      Your assertion is actually worse than No True Scotsman ... we're going to have to invent a new one for this ... it's more like No True Scotland or something.

    5. Re:Just enough for indoctrination by magarity · · Score: 1

      Cuba has never been communist any more than China or Russia. They have always been ruled by a moneyed power elite. That's not Communism, it's capitalism dressed up as Communism. It is essentially jumping straight to late-stage capitalism without enjoying any of the benefits of the early or middle stages.

      This is a typical mistake, to confuse a type of economic system (capitalism) with a type of government (oligarchy), mainly due to being misnamed 'communism' in the above examples.

    6. Re:Just enough for indoctrination by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      "That's really not enough data"

      *What's* not enough data? The summary noted plans from 600MB to 4GB, and the .cu TLD 'bonus' of 300MB.

      Which number were you referring to as 'not enough'? 4GB is enough for even a savvy Cuban user with nothing yesterday, unless you think they are more focused on YouTube BS than actual information, and your 'propaganda' comment seems to indicate you don't believe that.

      Sheesh. Of course it's not enough. Oh, wait, going from zero, 300MB might be useful if the Miami exiles pump up some texty sites to inflame the population. Which I encourage them to do.

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    7. Re:Just enough for indoctrination by DigressivePoser · · Score: 1

      Cuba has never been communist any more than China or Russia. They have always been ruled by a moneyed power elite. That's not Communism, it's capitalism dressed up as Communism. It is essentially jumping straight to late-stage capitalism without enjoying any of the benefits of the early or middle stages.

      Complete horseshit. And before you can say, citation needed, here it is:

      Cuba has had a communist political system since 1959 based on the "one state – one party" principle. Cuba is constitutionally defined as a Marxist–Leninist socialist state guided by the political ideas of Marx, one of the fathers of historical materialism, Engels and Lenin. The present Constitution also ascribes the role of the Communist Party of Cuba to be the "leading force of society and of the state" and as such has the capability of setting national policy.

  2. will they push ios and android roms for data free? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    will they push ios and android roms for data free?

  3. att roaming is $2 a meg and $0.50 a text there by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    att roaming is $2 a meg and $0.50 a text there

  4. Awesome! by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1, Funny

    My donkey and my 56 Chevy can only use 2G though :(

    1. Re:Awesome! by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 2

      My donkey and my 56 Chevy can only use 2G though :(

      But viva la revolucion!

  5. Bonus for .cu? by Gabest · · Score: 1

    What about net neutrality? This puts Facebook in disadvantage against the Cuban equivalent.

  6. But hey, I hear the healthcare is good by MikeRT · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not long ago, I read an article about how Cuban police will sometimes stop buses to search for contraband food. Is it endangered species they're after? Nope, extra cans of stuff we can legally get off the shelf for about $1 in our Oppressive, Reactionary, Sexist Hellhole.

    And you thought checkpoints to make sure people aren't driving drunk or stoned were tyranny. Imagine the police sifting through your groceries to make sure you're not smuggling cans of beans, rice and meat.

    This is why I have never understood why seemingly intelligent people point to Cuba and are astounded that they have "good healthcare." That's the natural outcome of what happens when you impoverish your people to that level and then give everyone with an above average IQ only a few state-approved employment choices in STEM. You are going to get a lot of doctors because in any "free society" many of those people would be engineers, scientists and others working in private industry that doesn't exist in Communist Cuba.

    Cuban doctors sent to Brazil by their government have said they'd literally rather be trash collectors in Brazil where they're free to make their own choices in a non-totalitarian state than be medical professionals back home.

    1. Re:But hey, I hear the healthcare is good by cb88 · · Score: 2

      Spot on, and I'll reemphasize "good healthcare", its a complete scam, the socialists in brazil were trying to get cuban "doctors" into brazil to "supplement" brazil's doctors but after the recent election nearly all the vacancies were filled once they realized that the new president was not going to have any of that.... filled with highly qualified doctors that had be turned away previously I might add. The lack of enough doctors was a complete farce.

      If there is anything I've ever been impressed about Brazil it's that they have plenty of doctors due to educational subsidy, this of course means there are some less than good ones, but the good ones are *really really* good and genuinely care about and put effort into caring for their patients. The larger number of doctors means more competition and less incentive for hospitals to hire or keep on bad doctors.

    2. Re:But hey, I hear the healthcare is good by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      Not long ago, I read an article about how Cuban police will sometimes stop buses to search for contraband food. Is it endangered species they're after? Nope, extra cans of stuff we can legally get off the shelf for about $1 in our Oppressive, Reactionary, Sexist Hellhole.

      A source for that would be very informative as context would really matter here. Are they looking for brands/foods that cannot be regularly found on the island and have therefore been smuggled in? Cuba is still technically under embargo by the US so its access to goods is restricted: did the government put rationing laws into effect (a reasonable measure when goods are scarce, and one the US has taken before as well) and the police are just looking for goods in excess of the rationing law? Or are the police just being oppressive, authoritarian dicks? Your tone says that you want us to infer the latter, while your lack of substantive evidence leads credence towards it actually being one of the former.

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    3. Re:But hey, I hear the healthcare is good by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      It's because of black market food sellers. They transport food from places of low demand and sell it in places of high demand. This is very obviously illegal in Cuba, as the smart people are in charge of the government and they do not recognize that "ability to pay" should be a determinant of who gets which food. Instead, they very smartly use a rationing system that makes sure all Cubans get the same food, no matter who they are. Social justice. Black marketeers can expect prison sentences where they are not raped, they work with their hands to make a better life for their people.

      In America, the black market is known as "the market" and police stopping people to search for food sounds absurd, the kind of thing that nutbags would come up with.

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  7. Re: by kurkosdr · · Score: 1

    "7CUC ($7) " Whaa? A Cuban Ultrainflationary Commietoken is equivalent to one US Dollar? On the real world or according to the Cuban government's exchange rates (which nobody uses if they can avoid it and instead buy the commietokens they want from elsewhere). Or is CUC some special non-inflationary currency pegged to the dollar via actual currency reserves and available only to those animals in the farm born more equal than the others?

  8. Re: by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Cuba has two parallel currencies. The normal peso can't be legally exchanged for foreign currency, and is worth about 4 cents on the black market. The CUC can be converted, and is pegged one-to-one with the US dollar.

    Many corrupt dictatorships have parallel currencies. The elite are paid in the convertible currency, which they can then sell on the black market for a huge profit (2500% in Cuba).

    The fact that the 3G service described in TFA can only be bought with CUC means that normal people, paid in unconvertible pesos, can't use it unless they buy CUC on the black market at an exorbitant markup.

    Marxist Utopia works better in theory than in practice.

  9. Re: by kurkosdr · · Score: 1

    Usually, even the "good" currency (aka the one not inflated as much as the "common" currency) isn't really pegged to any currency, and by that I mean it is not readily convertible back to US dollars by everyone who owns it, because the local communist dictatorship doesn't have enough currency reserves to support such a conversion at the semi-large scale. As such, even the "good" currency ends up in the black market, where tourists can buy it (with their USD) at a much more favourable rate than the official "pegged" rate.

  10. Enough for most uses. by Moskit · · Score: 1

    Come on, "Anarchist Cookbook" is well below 300MB ;-)

    Internet was already available in Cuba, just not through mobile connection. You would know where the hotspots are when you saw large number of people lost in their smartphones. Everywhere else you would see normal human interactions. Sadly with 3G the streets of Cuba may start to look just more like USA cities, with people interacting more with their phones, less with other people.

    Teenagers should make an obligatory 2-week tour to Cuba to learn what it is like to live without everything they take for granted.

  11. Faster than many places in the U.S. by supercell · · Score: 1

    at less cost. How about that.