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Apple Store Employees Aren't Allowed To Say 'Crash', 'Bug', or 'Problem' (theguardian.com)

Long-time Slashdot reader mspohr shares a Guardian article which argues that Apple Store employees "are underpaid, overhyped and characters in a well-managed fiction story" who "use emotional guile to sell products": When customers run into trouble with their products, geniuses are encouraged to sympathize, but only by apologizing that customers feel bad, lest they implicate Apple's products as the source of the trouble. In this gas-lit performance of a "problem free" brand philosophy, many words are actually verboten for staff. Do not use words like crash, hang, bug, or problem, employees are told. Instead say does not respond, stops responding, condition, issue, or situation. Avoid saying incompatible; instead use does not work with. Staff have reported the absurdist dialogues that can result, like when they are not allowed to tell customers that they cannot help even in the most hopeless cases, leading customers into circular conversations with employees able neither to help nor to refuse to do so....

[I]n a move so ridiculous it's almost certain to be a hit, the Genius Bar has been rebranded the "Genius Grove". Windows are opened to blur the distinction between inside and outside, and the stores are promoted as quasi-public spaces. "We actually don't call them stores any more," the new head of retail at Apple, former Burberry executive Angela Ahrendts (2017 salary: $24,216,072), recently told the press. "We call them town squares."

The article argues that since there launch in 2001, Apple Stores "have raked in more money -- in total and per square foot -- than any other retailer on the planet, transforming Apple into the world's richest company in the process."

But it also complains that Apple's wealth "flows from the privatization of publicly funded research, mixed with the ability to command the low-wage labor of our Chinese peers, sold by empathetic retailers forbidden from saying 'crash'."

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  1. Sounds like Mobil Oil ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... back when I was a suit.

    At a meeting, I told management that we had a major problem.

    My boss corrected me saying, "We don't have problems, we have opportunities."

    I said, "OK, then I have nothing to report."

    A big wheel raised his hand to my boss and said to me, "No, go ahead and report."

    I told him. "We have an opportunity that's causing a major problem."

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    It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
    1. Re:Sounds like Mobil Oil ... by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      My boss corrected me saying, "We don't have problems, we have opportunities."

      "Well then, we have an opportunity to embarrass ourselves big-time and make our customers leave to participate in opportunities at our competitors."

    2. Re:Sounds like Mobil Oil ... by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 2

      This seems to be an issue with some types of management. They apparently think by banning certain words, that somehow the problems associated with those words magically goes away. Or, perhaps more likely, they just get sick of hearing about the same old problems over and over, and instead of buckling down and actually *solving* those problems (which requires hard work + competence), they simply ban the key phrases used to describe those problems, thus, "solving" the problem on their end, since they no longer have to hear about them. Out of sight, out of mind, I guess.

      I remember one place I contracted at decided to unilaterally ban the term "technical debt". That alone tells you what one of their major issues was, without me having to explain anything else.

      Sad, but as you pointed out, hardly unique to Apple. The best companies I've worked at don't forbid specific words and phrases when they're relevant to the business at hand.

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    3. Re:Sounds like Mobil Oil ... by mermeid007 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Your signature is terrifying :)

    4. Re:Sounds like Mobil Oil ... by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      Technically speaking, Apple store desired language, fully complies with their restricted access closed garden. Need to pigeon hole Apple in you mind, consider and Ladies and Gentlemen's computer club and cheeky fucker's ain't invited. Yes, that store language is typical of that kind of club, no one is ever really at fault, the environment is creative whilst always remaining pleasant. Don't buy into that lifestyle, don't buy into Apple products, as simple as that. They most certainly do have their place within a broad and diverse environment, but specifically they are designed around a greater acceptance of that controlled country club environment ie targeted at the snooty snoots https://www.collinsdictionary...., the digital toffs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.... They do actively pay for exclusivity of computing environment, it is who they are, as a corporation, as staff members and as customers.

      Note of clarification, I do not own any Apple products and never have, I did run Quicktime for a while and generally had is as backup but https://www.videolan.org/vlc/ (what more needs to be said, it does the job, with minimal fuss across multiple platforms). Not that I am opposed to Apple products, just somewhat unlikely to purchase them, well, until windows anal probe 10, now the unlikely is becoming the likely, as long as dual boot to Linux, specifically https://kubuntu.org/ is possible, to be blunt so that I can escape the garden when ever I choose to do so and still return, for a more pleasant and polite computing experience.

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    5. Re:Sounds like Mobil Oil ... by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Heh, yeah. It's a little sad how something that starts out as an explicit rejection of dogma and over-reliance on process can itself become dogmatic in a very short period of time. I guess that's just human nature. My takeaway is that relying on any sort of single methodology (without regular introspection) to achieve excellence is ultimately doomed to fail, because without understanding the motivation behind an innovative / effective methodology or process, one is doomed to either misapply it where it doesn't make sense, or to continue to use that same process beyond its useful lifespan.

      Naturally, a manager who bans words they don't like to hear isn't going to be interested in much introspection or innovation in their workers' processes. Dogma is so much more comfortable to fall back on, because you don't have to actually think, or make hard decisions.

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    6. Re: Sounds like Mobil Oil ... by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      The problem still exists though, it is the idiot who thinks the problem goes away by renaming it. Ie, taking a pithy aphorism and treating it as literal truth rather than knowing what it means.

    7. Re: Sounds like Mobil Oil ... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If people at your company think that phrasing things differently is what will help them improve, then you're in a corporate cargo cult.

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      If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
    8. Re:Sounds like Mobil Oil ... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      Don't buy into that lifestyle

      And that's exactly what they are selling: a lifestyle, a pleasant fantasy, or an "experience". Something that many marketing managers are keen on these days, thanks in part to Apple's success in doing that. And people like it. Though I'd have to agree that it is taken to ridiculous levels these days.

      Full disclosure: I do own Apple products. For one, I prefer iOS - walls and all - over Android. And while I did some app development, I much preferred Objective-C over Java. But I don't buy into Apple's weird culture.

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      If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
    9. Re: Sounds like Mobil Oil ... by Dunbal · · Score: 2

      Trying to understand the opportunity involved in BP dumping billions of barrels of crude into the Gulf of Mexico with Deepwater Horizon... exactly who benefited here?

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      Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
    10. Re:Sounds like Mobil Oil ... by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      It doesn't scare me, but then I don't know what "intertia" is.

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    11. Re:Sounds like Mobil Oil ... by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's a little sad how something that starts out as an explicit rejection of dogma and over-reliance on process can itself become dogmatic in a very short period of time. I guess that's just human nature.

      I once wrote a longish essay saying more or less that.

      React - you eat prawns that have been warm (which they have, because you live near the Mediterranean 5000 years ago) and you get ill and throw up.

      Reason - you notice the connection between eating prawns that have been warm (which they have, because you live near the Mediterranean 5000 years ago) and being ill. You become noticeably less keen on prawns.

      Religion - eating prawns is taboo! Don't even look at them, sinner!

      Except now we have refrigeration.

      I'd accidentally hit upon somebody's model, but I forget the name.

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    12. Re: Sounds like Mobil Oil ... by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 2

      Apple is an overmarketed Buick in a world full of Chevys. Stop getting off on your Mercedes/BMW hype. There's nothing that great about brand X commodity hardware over brand Y.

      My 'squeaky plastic' laptop cost about as much as the accessories and dongles required to use a one-port-wonder Apple laptop. If I want to spend as much as an Apple laptop there are a huge number of excelleny non-Apple choices I can make.

      It is nice that smug Apple types have joined the discussion for illustration purposes, though.

    13. Re:Sounds like Mobil Oil ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      This isn't the same thing at all. "Crash" could mean a ton of different things - the system has hard-locked, the Mac equivalent of a BSD, the actual hard drive head has crashed into the platter, "spinning beach ball," etc. Just like your BMW dealer doesn't tell you that your car is "making funny noises." It's a vague, unhelpful word for the expert to use.

      Some other other words (like "problem" vs. "issue") are just branding but it doesn't really matter. Just like they call the tech support guys "geniuses" - just get over it. If it bugs you, get a OnePlus 6T instead and hope to god you never have a technical issue.

       

  2. This pretty much sums it up by RuiFRibeiro · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When I bought an iphone 6, I though I was investing on a couple years phone, and bought a 128MB model. It was my 2nd iPhone after all.
    Big mistake. Apple turned it slow with the infamous updates "to keep old batteries happy".
    I just switched to Android, a 200 Euro/USD phone is more than enough to use and drop every couple of years.
    On the bright side, I am not also giving my business to a company that only cares about fake political correctness and about using their foothold on business to promote whatever Tim Cook things about political or sexual issues instead of caring into improving technology.

    1. Re: This pretty much sums it up by RuiFRibeiro · · Score: 2

      I used to hate Android with all my guts,however it really improved in the last few years. On the other end, the iPhone user experience/Mac ecosystem did not improve/aged well either.

      I am using an Android One, Xiamoi A1, Google updates instead of Xiaomi and very pleased with the experience. So pleased that I gave another to my wife, and chose to buy a Samsung Smartwatch instead of an iWatch too. And a Chromecast Ultra capable of doing 4K.

      Putting things in perspective, if you shop around well, at least in my location:
      - you can buy twelve 64GB/3-4 GB Xiaomi A1 phones with the price of an iPhone,
      - three Samsung Galaxy smartwatches with the price of an iWatch;
      - three Chromecast Ultra for the price of a 4K Apple TV.


      PS. I used to be part of iOS/MACOS developer program and still have my Apple developer id.

    2. Re:This pretty much sums it up by RuiFRibeiro · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Some are worse than others....I just stopped seeing Apple WWDC presentations because it is simply tooo much. In the last two ones I saw, the first one that Tim Cook was the CEO, my Asian wife was on my side and uttering all the time "My God are they ALL gay?"...
      The last one I saw, where they decided to enforce "diversity", showing an element of each excluded type, instead of showing viable products, was too much to take and process, and I stopped worrying about seeing them after that.

      PS. I am of an older generation, and all that fake politeness and made up political correctness makes me want to puke.

    3. Re:This pretty much sums it up by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Political correctness is fascism pretending to be good manners. That from another politically incorrect old fuck, George Carlin.

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      If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
    4. Re:This pretty much sums it up by antdude · · Score: 2

      When did you buy your iPhone? My king ant's early 2015 6+'s battery went to crapper when the world found out and had to get the $29 battery replacement many months ago.

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      Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
    5. Re:This pretty much sums it up by turbidostato · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "You thought 1984 was describing communism, yet here you have the most successful capitalist corporation engaging in its methods."

      That's no news. *Every* single corporation chooses communism for its internal organization. How is it, then, that they shout north and south communism not working and/or being evil's incarnation?
      * Central planning? check
      * Ownership of the means of production? check
      * Democracy disallowed? check
      * Free market disallowed? check
      * Punishment of dissidents? check
      * Messages about the common benefit being above the individuals? check
      * Gross unbalance of power and perks favoring the politburo? check
      * Control of public speech to disallow anything but the party's mantras? check

    6. Re: This pretty much sums it up by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 2

      1984 was describing Stalinism.

    7. Re:This pretty much sums it up by denzacar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's not communism. You're describing fascism.
      Also, confusing several points in order to fit them with your metaphor.

      Central planning in a corporation is done not by a committee responsible to the lower ranks in the corporate society, but to personal and outside money interests.
      In communism it would be the other way around.

      Similarly, in a corporation workers tend not to own the means of production - unless they themselves own the controlling interest in the corporation AND are the ones dictating the future course of the corporation.
      Again, you'd need that for communism.

      Democracy... Oh boy... That one is a prerequisite of a prerequisite for communism. Literally.
      Control of the government MUST be in the hands of the people for any kind of a community-based system.
      It is quite literally a government of the people, for the people and by the people.
      Why do you think all those supposedly communist regimes kept sticking "People's republic of..." or "Democratic this or that..." in front of the name of the country?

      Free market disallowed? WTF are you even talking about here? Free market within a corporation? Of what? Lunches? Office supplies?
      As for communism... It's not against free market. It's more like market free.
      You know... like how atheism is not a competing religion to other religions - it's a "don't need it" alternative.
      The idea is that after the population seizes the means of production, including government and democracy, it will run so fuckin smooth that everything will be for free.
      Sorta like bitcoin, but not just for money - for EVERYTHING.

      Punishment of dissidents etc...
      That's clearly veering off into description of a totalitarian system there - which is not a necessary function of communism (it's supposed to be a counter-solution to such systems) nor is it present solely in nominally communist regimes.
      "Needs of the many", political power being corrupt, official narratives... none of that is endemic to communism.
      Those are bugs (or as in setting the well-being of a species/society above that of the individual - a feature of biological existence) common to all social arrangements, not just governments.

      BUT... you ARE forgetting to add an essential feature of a corporation - a battle royale competition with outside interests.
      I.e. State of perpetual war with the final goal not of peace, liberation or even dominion - but of expansion through destruction and/or absorption of opposition.
      Add that to the mix and you have genuine fascism. All it lacks is goosestepping - most corporations already feature some kind of uniform for its minions.

      Communism, again, would be closer to a hippy collective... a commune if you will.
      "Check this thing out man. It's like... freedom from the oppression and toil, man. And brotherhood of humanity, like, everywhere man."
      It's really a great concept. Much like FTL space travel, eternal youth, matter replicators...
      Maybe with robots, free energy, free health, free education and a comprehensive realignment of personal goals away from consumerism and sectarianism and towards personal growth and achievement of both individuals and the humanity we might get to something akin to what theoretical communism should be.
      But not bloody likely in this century. Maybe in the 23rd?

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    8. Re:This pretty much sums it up by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're describing fascism. If you you were describing communism the 131999 Apple employees would be far better off and Tim Cook wouldn't be worth $800m by himself.

       

    9. Re:This pretty much sums it up by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      You realise that what was practiced in the USSR didn't even remotely resemble the theoretical principle of communism and instead like in many countries resembled a wide mix of different political philosophies right?

      What you're describing is fascism. What you're also describing is that you seem to not know that a big part of the practices of the USSR were actually fascist and that raw communism fails due to being an economically unstable form of government incompatible with human tendencies to compete with one another for power which is why despite every intention always will be mixed with another political philosophy.

      Homer said it right: "In theory communism works. In theory!"

  3. Just Apple, ah? by evanh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I sure as hell get that at every shop I walk into these days. And it ain't restricted to tech products at all.

    My interaction with most sales staff at most shops usually end very abruptly, and often rudely now. Simply because they are clearly not trying to help in any meaningful way. Which is usually is around questions of specs and function of the products they are meant to be selling!

    They may as well be machines.

    1. Re:Just Apple, ah? by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apple pays notably more than minimum wage at every Apple store I've visited, because they've been _good_ at their jobs, either as sales people or as people excited to learn about technologies and paying for their tuition. Yes, many have been fashion conscious and far, far younger than me, but they've been quite helpful. And when I have a problem beyond the tools in house, they've replaced it, once with an upgrade, _immediately_. I've found the service and general quality of their devices to justify the extra cost, when I can afford it. And I've in turn pointed their staff to local developer or technology groups in software or hardware they're interested in, and tried to inform them of the workarounds for problems I encounter so that they can use those solutions in their suite of "issue" handling tools.

    2. Re:Just Apple, ah? by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 2

      Apple pays notably more than minimum wage at every Apple store I've visited, because they've been _good_ at their jobs, either as sales people or as people excited to learn about technologies and paying for their tuition. Yes, many have been fashion conscious and far, far younger than me, but they've been quite helpful. And when I have a problem beyond the tools in house, they've replaced it, once with an upgrade, _immediately_. I've found the service and general quality of their devices to justify the extra cost, when I can afford it. And I've in turn pointed their staff to local developer or technology groups in software or hardware they're interested in, and tried to inform them of the workarounds for problems I encounter so that they can use those solutions in their suite of "issue" handling tools.

      Totally believable, and pretty much my experience with our local Apple Store, too.

  4. Apple products are PERFECT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Everything is awesome, all Apple products are flawlessly perfect. ~ Duke of Duloc

    And so the little BUG never got fixed. As a result, several web-facing products began quietly failing. Nobody dared report it as the Ecuadorian embassy is already full up. And so the little BUG grew and grew. One morning, Apple work up to most of the Apple missing. A large worm was then observed munching away down Cupertino Ave and Apple Way, devouring all in its path. It had become unstoppable.....
    And the rest kids, is history. Today we can look at these Apple products on display in our museum. Note they are heavily sealed for safety reasons....

  5. Endgame by jwymanm · · Score: 2

    This is the endgame of white washing everything, controlling all employees (and consumer) social behavior, political correctness everywhere we turn. You control the message everyone is giving and you can sell to a captive audience without stirring up any resistance.

  6. This sounds great! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 3, Funny

    I don't own an Apple computer but if I did and I needed tech support (which I wouldn't), I would make it my mission to use all the forbidden language and act confused when they didn't respond using the same language. When they finally quit the linguistic acrobatics I'd start yelling, "HERETIC! HE SPOKE THAT WHICH SHALL NOT BE SPOKEN!", pointing and maybe jump on on a table to maximize store-wide attention.

    And that's how I plan to get banned from every Apple "town square". ;)

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  7. Genius by Vanyle · · Score: 2

    It is not often that I compliment apple on locking down everything, but I have to say this is a great strategy. It reminds me of choosing the wall color of a business to help affect the mood, having no clocks in a casino, or having the bathrooms at the back of the store.

  8. Re:Big surprise! by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    apple; the company that lies, cheats and steals tells its employees to lie. I always figured being dishonest was a requirement to work at apple.

    If you think that behavior is limited to Apple, you are naive. I've been paid to lie and cheat at multiple companies. I usually try to leave such dirt-bags, but such had not been easy during recessions.

  9. The West Wing by magusxxx · · Score: 3, Funny

    "We agreed not to use the word recession in The White House."
    "Then what do we call it?"
    "A bagel."

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    Care killed the cat, but satisfaction brought it back.
  10. Or they saw a TED talk - and believed it by raymorris · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One business that has always been profitable is telling people that changing there attitude will change their situation. Currently, TED talks are a popular platform for this. "If you see everything as an opportunity, it becomes an opportunity!" Some people believe that and there will always be people who believe that because believing the trope is much easier than the alternative - facing and solving hard problems.

    It's believable for two reasons. It's so attractive - we WANT t believe that all these hard problems can be solved just by changing our attitude. Also, it's inverse is true, making it an attractive fallacy of the inverse. It's true that if we have a defeatist, hopeless, victim attitude, we won't solve our problems.* We'll whine about them, we'll blame others, and we won't solve anything.*

    Of course does NOT mean that the right attitude magically solves our problems. A "can do" attitude, fortitude, looking for the opportunities we can leverage, determination is a *prerequisite* to finding solutions. It's not the solution. It's what you have to do *before* you find the solutions, and *after* you frankly acknowledge the problem.

    * If this truth that an attitude of victimhood and blaming others doesn't solve any problems reminds you of a certain political party, that's not my fault. They chose that approach.

    1. Re:Or they saw a TED talk - and believed it by RuiFRibeiro · · Score: 2

      Me and a female friend attended some local Toastmaster club, and gave up on it after a couple of months.

      The fake patting in the back and fake "positive" attitude was revolting, and it discussed me more than going to an evangelist mass.
      Coincidentally, or not, the failed people that I know that did not have any particular strong skills to keep a job in the recession, went on being "coaches".

    2. Re:Or they saw a TED talk - and believed it by RuiFRibeiro · · Score: 2

      disgusted... I think the worst "feature" of slashdot is not letting people correct obvious mistakes.

    3. Re:Or they saw a TED talk - and believed it by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      The fake patting in the back and fake "positive" attitude was revolting

      Oh yes, corporate culture. Expressed in the language used in team meetings, documents, and corporate communication, and the drivel from the mouths of managers. As well as in the absolutely hideous corporate "art" hanging in meeting rooms (3 stylized figures lifting a heavy pyramid: I know it means teamwork but it sure looks like slave labour...)

      It's the stuff that eventually drove me to leave my previous client where I had been working for years. People at my current client thankfully don't put up with that crap. By the way, for those who want a little taste of this fakey corporate culture, just look at the message/news feed in LinkedIn.

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      If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
  11. Genius Grove? by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 2

    Now you're just fucking with us.

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  12. The word that may not be spoken by Tough+Love · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Overpriced"

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    When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
  13. I hate this article. by NicBenjamin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sometimes the Guardian is a great source, but other times they're just delusional.

    But it also complains that Apple's wealth "flows from the privatization of publicly funded research, mixed with the ability to command the low-wage labor of our Chinese peers, sold by empathetic retailers forbidden from saying 'crash'."

    "Privatization of publicly funded research"? That's mind-bogglingly stupid. Show me a PhD economist who claims to prove otherwise, and I'll show you extremely strong evidence that motivated reasoning is a thing. By that standard we should run all airlines as public utilities because none of our current plane designs would be possible without WW1-era-government-funded R&D.

    The claim that Apple retail employees are "low-paid" is slightly less stupid, so I'll bother to refute: as someone who is roughly 19 years into a retail career, I have never made the same hourly Apple employees do. I know, I have repeatedly applied to their stores, because even the shelf-stocking guy makes 30% more then I currently do. To get their wages in a non-Apple setting you need to be at least a department supervisor. It's also an amazing place to work precisely because they don't have commission. You can sell someone a $400 iPad or $799 Mac Mini instead of selling them a $3k laptop or $6k Mac Pro because you make the same either way.

    In terms of Chinese wages being low, that's a bit of left-wing lore that was true ten years ago, but is quite exaggerated today. Chinese factory workers would not put up with the Communist Party if they hadn't been given some very nice raises in recent years. They make less then US factory workers, particularly factory workers on old Union contracts, but not that much less. It's also somewhat silly to damn Apple for doing something literally every other company in the world does.

    The rest of the article it doesn't improve. No shit Apple tries to control every aspect of the customer experience, so does literally every other company on the planet. At my retail company there are actually tasks that I am supposed to perform in 90 seconds, and the computer adds all these tasks up, plus all the time I have devoted to said tasks, and if I was taking an average of 2 minutes per task I would in huge trouble. No shit Apple wages (which start at $14.50 an hour and go up fairly rapidly from there) can't support a family of four, but if it couldn't support a family of three half my coworkers would have literally starved to death years ago. The only guys who make $14.50 an hour are management and the handful of guys who got hired in back before they started hiring High School kids with no home improvement experience.

  14. Oh so common in the corporate world. by johnw · · Score: 4, Insightful

    but only by apologizing that customers feel bad

    This has become the norm in any corporate apology. No matter how badly they've performed, the best you'll get out of any big organisation is something along the lines of:

    "We strive at all times to provide the highest levels of customer service and satisfaction. I am sorry if you feel that we have failed on this occasion."

    Never any kind of admission that they have ballsed up, no matter how much evidence there is that they have made a phenomenal pig's ear of things. Instead they try to suggest that it's your fault really - you're being over-sensitive, and it's not really their fault.

    The really stupid aspect of this is that a decent apology can win you customers. I used to run a small mail order business, and when we got something wrong we would instantly take the blame and apologise. "Oh, whoops! Sorry - that's my fault." People were so surprised at this kind of honesty that it won us some of our most loyal customers. Big business though seems absolutely determined never to issue a real apology, and by so doing they merely alienate the general public.

  15. War is peace by TuringTest · · Score: 2, Insightful

    âoeWar is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.â

    What, you thought only communism used propaganda?

    This comes from the people who made the infamous 1984 ad.

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    Singularity: a belief in the "God" idea with the "demiurge" relation inverted.
  16. Re:Testing an OS by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

    I work in the hell of first-line tech support, and whenever I can't reproduce a problem, I have to walk across the site and go visit the user in person so I can view exactly what it is they are doing wrong. Sometimes they do things so strangely wrong that no technical user would ever think of it - like managing all their files via the MS Word open dialog, because they don't know how to open a file manager window. Or spending hours in frustration unable to find their emails because they accidentally clicked the little '-' and collapsed the tree view. Or pointing a remote at their projector and pressing buttons over and over, not noticing that the manufacturer logo on their projector and on their remote are not even remotely the same brand.

  17. probably "legal" department by dltaylor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you actually admit to a fault, you provide evidence for a lawsuit.

  18. Wait, what? by dfenstrate · · Score: 2

    Anti-political-correctness is fascism pretending to be a defence of free speech. It's supreme irony that for us to have free speech some people think that we have to ban criticism.

    So criticism (anti-political correctness) of your criticism (political correctness) of other people's speech is fascism? Why isn't it free speech? How many layers of recursion do we have to go through? Or is it an unnecessary exercise, because the humorless scolds of the left always magically end up in the virtuous column?

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    Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be the name of a store, not a government agency.
    1. Re:Wait, what? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

      It's like White Elephant gifts at Christmas (sorry, is that PC? Should I say Winter Holiday - oops, Holiday is "holy day", so again that's not PC? I meant Winter Festival. But festival assumes you're in a good mood, and that's not fair to our depressed/angry friends, so perhaps I should just say late December time when we tend to give gifts). It has 2 exchanges then it locks. So if a PC warrior shouts you down, then you shout them down - they get to shout YOU down once more and that's it - no more exchange allowed.

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      Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
  19. Re:You're misreading the quote by NicBenjamin · · Score: 2

    That's a smart-sounding way of putting it because it's very abstract. If you're an activists (and the Guardian are proud to be activists) you use that type of language all the time because it makes you sound several hundred times smarter and it's also extremely hard to disprove. However in this case it's trivial to disprove.

    Apple computer did not "build itself on the public dime." They did sell a lot of Apple IIs to schools, but they did so at a huge discount because they figured that dominance in education would lead to major market-share in the home market. They weren't funding themselves with "the public dime," they were subsidizing the public with their own private dimes. They still have a lot of market and mind share in the education market, but since the appearance of the Chromebook that's an extremely low margin market and they stopped working for it. That means no education specific R&D. That means no R&D paid for by the education sector. That means no government-funded R&D.

    As for "global race to the bottom" that's an extremely NATO-centric way to put it. Several hundred million Chinese have been brought into the global middle class in recent decades, African living standards have increased greatly, etc. You're convinced that the period from roughly 1950-1985, when a High School educated white man from a NATO country could support an entire family on one salary is normal? No, it's not. It's just not.

  20. Re: Testing an OS by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

    Total apathy. The users cannot irritate me, because I have not a single fuck to give about any of them.