The Friendship That Made Google Huge (newyorker.com)

You know why by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 05:04 · Score: -1

Teenage girls only congregate in threes?

Because they canâ(TM)t even!

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

Re:You know why by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 05:21 · Score: 0

That should be modded up funny, because it is!
Anyway, if a pair of programmers is good, imagine a Beowulf Cluster of them!

Wasn't there a movie about this in the ninetees... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 05:08 · Score: 0

called 'The astronaut's wife'

captcha = distort

The fact that they are Jews made them big. by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 05:08 · Score: -1

Nothing else.

Re: The fact that they are Jews made them big. by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 05:20 · Score: 0

I bet it wasnt rust they used for such a thing. Otherwise a nice article to read some other time maybe. I cannot wait to see what my selp helf elf is bringing me for Christmas
Re: The fact that they are Jews made them big. by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 05:32 · Score: 0

Self help elf? Is that what you're calling your left hand?
Re: The fact that they are Jews made them big. by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 05:32 · Score: 0

Your mouth.
Re:The fact that they are Jews made them big. by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 05:50 · Score: 0

Right, no much competition when the world is filled with dumbfucks like you.
Re:The fact that they are Jews made them big. by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 06:44 · Score: 0

"Jeff Dean" and "Sanjay Ghemawat" sure don't sound like Jewish names to me. Dumbass troll is dumbass.
Re: The fact that they are Jews made them big. by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 07:29 · Score: 0

They sound like jewgger and shitty sand monkey names.
Re: The fact that they are Jews made them big. by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 18:04 · Score: 0

That would explain why they're more successful than you.

90 hour weeks by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 05:20 · Score: 0

When you're willing to work 90 hour weeks, you had _better_ shine above everyone else. Smart people, long hours, and being left alone to do deep thinking. Working together helps, but it's not the whole story.

Re:90 hour weeks by umghhh · 2018-12-09 06:00 · Score: 2

Thought so too. Besides this my experience at pair coding (or whatever that is that you do) is that it sucks all energy. It motivates etc. so it is brilliant way to be very productive unless of course the two do not agree with each other, cannot stand each other occasionally, the task requires to be indeed two at two different places doing two (or ore) different things at the same time as there is nobody else in the team etc etc. This way of doing stuff being very exhausting cannot be done 24x7 year after year but for certain phases of the project. One of the pair having kids make it hardly impossible to continue this 100% etc. Plus: there are indeed people that cannot do it, are just not meant to do it because god did not have given them ability to do so. The advice is great but does not apply to everybody and not to all conditions so this - why not more people do that is just a silly question. Besides - this much time spent together will raise questions of different nature which in today's culture are just toxic which leads us to a whole different world of ugly altogether.

Elites writing about elites by DNS-and-BIND · 2018-12-09 05:26 · Score: -1, Offtopic

Hooray for "us"! Look, a piece in the New Yorker, a publication entirely uncontaminated by coastal elitism, offering an accepting profile of the other coast's elites! How tolerant! How accepting of The Other! By the way, have you worn your "Sarah Palin is a Cunt" T-shirt recently? There's another class marker! Let's all - journalists and Silicon Valley millionaires - unite against the lower classes for insisting their interests be represented in government. After all "we're" all on the same team, amirite?

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Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!

Re:Elites writing about elites by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 05:34 · Score: 1

Wah, everything I don't like is "elites"... Waaaah... https://www.newsweek.com/lot-republicans-think-trump-wont-finish-term-1251056
Re: Elites writing about elites by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 05:39 · Score: 0

They gave me the wrong size just like every time
Re:Elites writing about elites by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 05:42 · Score: 0

So you're taking the rhetorical position that Sarah Palin IS NOT a cunt? Really, how honest are we being about this? You're saying Palin represented the poor? Are you some kind of retarded halfwit or something?
Re:Elites writing about elites by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 05:48 · Score: 0

Nope, that's passe.
Now I wear a "Trump is a dick" T-shirt, featuring the mushroom character in Mario Kart.
Re: Elites writing about elites by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 05:54 · Score: 0

They did not offer the correct size anyway. That size was youth youth
Re:Elites writing about elites by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 06:25 · Score: 0

1) You are not a very bright person
or
2) You are not trying very hard.

Hooray for "us"! Look, a piece in the New Yorker, a publication entirely uncontaminated by coastal elitism, offering an accepting profile of the other coast's elites! How tolerant! How accepting of The Other! By the way, have you worn your "Sarah Palin is a Cunt" T-shirt recently? There's another class marker! Let's all - journalists and Silicon Valley millionaires - unite against the lower classes for insisting their interests be represented in government. After all "we're" all on the same team, amirite?
Re: Elites writing about elites by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 13:23 · Score: 0

Dear DNS-and-bind
Your comment has arrived on my screen here in a nation in the southern hemisphere. Looking at your nation from afar, we do see that you have a healthcare system that is quite large and comprehensive. Please use it as it seems you are not well.
Re:Elites writing about elites by LostMyAccount · 2018-12-09 16:16 · Score: 2

Jeff Dean was a friend in high school and my roommate in college for a year. He's hardly a west coast elite, even now -- I had breakfast with him a year ago and he walked like 3 miles (his choice) to the restaurant.
He's also hands-down the smartest person I have ever met. He ported a multi-player D&D game written for a Control Data Cyber mainframe -- using an incomplete printout of the Pascal source code -- to a Sage IV p-system and the VAX 11/780 when he was in high school.

So, the foundation of evil? by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 05:30 · Score: 1

I knew pair programming was the source of all evil.

"I don't know why more people don't do it" by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 05:31 · Score: 0

Maybe first, make it possible for a pair of people to interview for a position, and *then* if people don't take advantage of it you could wonder why?

Umm by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 05:35 · Score: 0

All you gotta do is meat your soul mate then it all clicks

Re:Umm by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 05:43 · Score: 0

All you gotta do is meat your soul mate then it all clicks
"All life is a blur of Republicans and meat."
- Zippy the Pinhead

The Friendship That Made Google Eviler by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 05:47 · Score: 0

'I was just following orders'

JEWgle glorifies other JEWS? Ha by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 05:48 · Score: -1

Try fact and truth instead. Khazar Talmudic Jews believe this of all they call goyim/gentiles (any non-jew): Jews = biggest racists of all (for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Argentines in the 1940 under Peron, Spanish inquistion, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above.

Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud.

This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple & they killed him for it. Jeremiah did the same to them also + the Essenes could not stand them either breaking away from the pharisee corruption):

Mark Zuckerberg stole the Winklevoss twins' code for Fakebook (figures as he is a thieving low jew too).

Maria Abramovic satanist spirit cooker pal of Hillary Clinton the Voodoo queen is a jew https://www.google.com/search?...

Like Hillary Clinton's mentor Saul Alinsky author of rules for radicals book dedicated to Lucifer

"Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer Â- so I wasnÂ't lying Â- and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much aliveÂ" Harold Rosenthal http://www.thetruthseeker.co.u...

Jewish rabbi openly admits to satan worship use white children's blood they kill for passover bread, infiltrating and subverting the catholic church, creating the Jesuit order https://www.youtube.com/watch?... and https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

Barbara Spectre, a jew, tells everyone it's jews orchestrating the muslim migrant problem in Europe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ/ . No migrant raping of women in Poland. Tons in Sweden. Do the math. Use common-sense. This is to get muslims and other goyim/gentiles to wipe one another out as incompatible cultures that will clash and always have.

Rabbi A. Finkelstein ADMITS their greatest enemies are ARABS and WHITES (blacks too) whom they wish to kill one another in a 'theater of war' which they find AMUSING https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

Finkelstein also admits JEWS DID 9/11 (perpetrated by the Mossad & Bebe Netanyahu of ISRAEL) https://www.youtube.com/watch?... profiting by it (and that 3,000 jews employed there did not show up for work that day knowing about it beforehand).

Finkelstein also admits JEWS are going to destroy the U.S. Dollar and dumping it for other world currencies and gold to destroy the United States.

George Soros who funds groups to create division in the USA?? A jew. One who sold his own jew people into death for the nazis.

Zucker now FIRED @ CNN is another frying publicly for lying about "russians" and John Bonifield a producer @ CNN said it is bs. Van Jones did also.

Bernie Madoff (who made off with everyone's money, especially construction union pensions) shows the thieving nature of the JUDEN!

Eric Schmidt had to step down @ JEWgle (a jew).

Re: JEWgle glorifies other JEWS? Ha by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 05:57 · Score: 0

I hope you are aware that you can incite violence against very nice actual Jewish people when you post this nasty drivel
Re: JEWgle glorifies other JEWS? Ha by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 06:03 · Score: 0

I hope you realize nothing in it says kill/hurt jews. They do themselves in by their beliefs/practices. It's not all jews either. Read it. Deny it if possible. I never see that happen. Tough to deny undeniable fact jews history, members, and very talmudic beliefs state, isn't it?
Re: JEWgle glorifies other JEWS? Ha by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 06:05 · Score: 0

You can tell that to your likely to be Jewish lawyer when you get charged with manslaughter from ruling up skinheads. He (likely a he) will likely defend you anyway but to each his own
Re: JEWgle glorifies other JEWS? Ha by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 06:12 · Score: 0

Ah yes. Threats. The juden way. Coercion by empty threats. You were asked to prove what's in that post wrong. You can't. Fact is like that. Fact jews themselves supply no less.
Re:JEWgle glorifies other JEWS? Ha by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 06:19 · Score: 0

Jews hiding facts from their history and religious cult beliefs by downmoderation only proving their reprehensible ways but not proving it wrong.
Re: JEWgle glorifies other JEWS? Ha by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 07:33 · Score: 0

Jewggers must be exterminated. Period.
Re: JEWgle glorifies other JEWS? Ha by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 11:02 · Score: 0

Nah, they're just pointing out what ignorant, cowardly racist you are. It's almost comical how fucking stupid your remarks and propaganda posts are.
I live around a bunch of people like you here in rural MO. It's not uncommon to find shoddy racist graffiti around here, complete with misspelled slurs and improperly drawn swastikas...
Just out of curiosity, did you inherit your racist outlook or are you one of those "Born Again Racists" who bought into it while doing time and were too big of a pussy to stand up for yourself, so instead you got a pair S's tattooed to blend in with The Nation?

Why more people don't do it by JaredOfEuropa · 2018-12-09 06:07 · Score: 4, Insightful

As Dean points out, all you need to do is "find someone that you're gonna pair-program with who's compatible with your way of thinking, so that the two of you together are a complementary force."

Is that all? No. First, you need to find a great match for pair-programming which is already hard enough. But you need to find one who is nearby (this doesn't work all that well remotely), and who happens to work at the same company or startup or whatever, on the same team or on the same or similar assignments. Or you need to already have that coding partner and have the luxury to pick your own employer and assignment together, have the time and energy to work together on some FOSS thing, or be in a position to found your own startup. So no, I am not at all surprised that not many people end up doing this.

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If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...

Re:Why more people don't do it by hjf · 2018-12-09 06:35 · Score: 3, Informative

First you need a project leader that doesn't think "two people working on the same ticket is a waste of resources because only one is pressing the keys, the other just looks".
Re:Why more people don't do it by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 09:02 · Score: 0

This is why, despite the huge number of developers Google hires, only two of them get to develop software. They've mandated that everyone else be just like them. Oh, and they aren't restricted to specific objectives and key results, so have the freedom to make their thing work.
Re: Why more people don't do it by Miamicanes · 2018-12-09 09:48 · Score: 2, Interesting

If you assume that there are approximately 16 general hardware configurations humans tend to cluster around, there are approximately:
* 16 combinations that are *golden* for pair programming. Say, INTP + INTJ (probably the most ideal, golden pairing of all)
* 16-48 combinations that are likely to be subpar at best. Say, INFP + INTJ, or ENTJ + INTP
* at least 128 combinations likely to be flat-out dysfunctional, like INTP + ESTJ
The point being, you can't pair by HR or management decree or force it to work. When you match up two programmers with complementary personality types, of roughly equal skill, it's magic. Nearly every other combo ends up being a net drawback, handicap, and liability.
Re: Why more people don't do it by Miamicanes · 2018-12-09 12:37 · Score: 1, Redundant

^ oops, cut all the numbers in half, since INTP+INTJ is the same as INTJ+INTP (and so on).
Just to add, pairing two programmers with the SAME personality type is generally a waste... they'll both get stuck on the same problems, fall into the same traps, and often either bicker or tune out while the other is "in charge".
Pair an INTP with an ENTP, and they'll derail each other in no time flat. They'll probably have a great time, and might come up with a brilliant, creative solution to the wrong problem, but are unlikely to accomplish their goal (or even remember what it WAS).
Pairing a "N" type with a complementary "S" type might help when it comes down to things like "AI vs UI work", but you'd arguably get more done with a xNxx (AI) and a xSxx (UI) if you had a good project manager just split up the task & had both programmers simultaneously working on the sub-task they enjoy & excel at (N-types tend to be theoreticians who LOVE things like AI, but come up with the ugliest & most dysfunctional UIs on earth... S-types tend to be artisans who get immense satisfaction out of making a beautiful, polished UI, but get frustrated with more abstract things like AI. HOWEVER, N and S types CAN complement each other well in areas like computer vision... just not necessarily touching the same code simultaneously. Put them together to brainstorm, then let them be inspired & go explore on their own for a while.
The main problem with pairing ENxx types with INxx types is that it tends to get the INxx type mowed over and bulldozed... at best, the INxx gets shoved aside, bored, and tunes out. Both groups add insight to each other (the ENxx types expand the INxx types' horizons & inspire them to "think big"), but they work better as teammates than pairs.
Getting back to INTP+INTJ... it works so well because both types easily see around each other's roadblocks, effortlessly spot each other's typos + oversights, and generally follow meandering paths towards the same goal. It's important that they regard each other as equivalently-competent, but ideally each will be an expert in a slightly different aspect of the problem.
INTP+INFJ or INFP+INTJ can work, but the 'F' partner is more likely to be unintentionally insulted by the 'T' partner, or read into motives that don't actually exist. Likewise, a badly-frustrated 'F' can sink a verbal dagger pretty deeply into their 'N' complement and *really* hurt their feelings in a way few other types are capable of (INTx types get accused of having no feelings, but the reality is that they have a Jeckyl-Hyde relationship with their feelings... they're rightfully scared *shitless* of them, and work hard to keep them safely locked away for everyone's safety & well-being lest they explode out like a shaken bottle of Diet Coke).
The point is, different types all have valuable insight, but not all of them can intimately work *together* as a pair. Some combos are better left as teammates & coworkers for everyone's sake, and others are better off collaborating briefly, in small chunks, before going back to working on their own.
Re: Why more people don't do it by epine · 2018-12-10 14:18 · Score: 1

Professional psychometricians don't take Myers–Briggs all that seriously these days.
Most of these systems are beloved of consultants and sages because they're good conversation starters.
The best supported factorizations are the Big Five personality traits (often seen as OCEAN).
Ordered from most likely to improve your career, to least likely:
* conscientiousness
* openness to experience
* agreeableness
* extraversion
* neuroticism
(In some career tracks, you'd reverse openness and agreeableness, but not computer science, in my opinion.)
I've had two experiences with pair programming, and in both cases my partner hated it, because they were extreme introverts, and they liked to burrow into the details. The first guy liked to achieve working code at a breakneck speed, and would usually cut many corners along the way. We had a problem where we had two linguistic input spaces, and we formed a conceptual superset, into which both of these could be mapped one-to-one.
And I would watch him sail into an edge case, and not really deal with the problem. And I would interject, "uh, if you do that, our conceptual mathematical function isn't one-to-one anymore". But then we would discover that he was trying to work around previous work that hadn't gotten this entirely straight, and I would want to refactor everything in sight simultaneously, and then he would slap my fingers, and perform all the refactoring in prudent single file. Except that he wanted to constantly quit, before the job was done, so I kept slapping his fingers. Probably the longest he ever endured between successful compiles in his entire professional life.
We moved more dirty rocks that day working together than we had in the previous week. The problem was that my partner couldn't see the big picture. He felt like it had been the slowest most aggravating day of his life. What I saw was a system which finally had all its formal ducks in a row, one that never gave us any trouble again, ever after. But his dopamine loop didn't work on that scale. I seriously cramped his cruddy kLOC style, and he avoided sitting beside me ever again, even though he was far better at properly pacing complex code refactoring than I'll ever be (because I tend to think about the big picture all the time) and those complementary skills made our partnership highly effective.
The second person hated it because I kept reminding him of how much work remained to be done. Every time he made a change, I would go "oh, this is going to impact that" and I would go running off to check out that on another screen. It's funny, because this time I was the one catching loose stitches, but my my way of doing this was mostly leaving source code comments in related modules about how "on such and such a day, we changed X and Y, and even though we tested U and V, we couldn't figure out how to test Z quickly". It's not that I'm low on conscientiousness, it's that my conscientiousness is always global in nature.
It's actually pretty hard, as a solitary person, to be working that hard on the central task, and to simultaneously leave so many useful breadcrumbs scattered around.
The funny thing is, you bump into those comments a few weeks or months later, and you're surprised, because in your present state of mind, it's completely slipped your consciousness that Z is even something that needs to be tested as a result of your local changes. The comment mutates from "sorry, we skipped Z under pressure in the trenches" to "OMG, I had better pay attention to Z, which had almost completely slipped my mind".
It's always a counterfactual proposition, but I'm sure that a prescient comment of this sort has saved me hours, or even half a day compared to how I might otherwise have proceeded (until the light dawned).
My experience is that people have different emotional management loops. People who cope with stress by trying not to consider the wh

My experience of pair programming by JustNiz · 2018-12-09 06:19 · Score: 1

It's a terrible idea and sucks badly unless you're that kind of person, and also find that perfect partner. In nearly all cases that I've seen and experienced, pair programming just degenerates into endless discussions around philosophical differences and battles of egos, and with 2 people, there's also no one to tie-break.

For me at least, I've repeatedly found there's not any way to get the job done more quickly/effectively than just leaving me alone to get it done on my own.

Re:My experience of pair programming by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 07:04 · Score: 0

I haven't really done pair programming, but it seems to me that writing unit tests while you write code would be a reasonable facsimile for pair programming.
Although I feel TFA is talking more about people solving problems together than just coding together.
Re: My experience of pair programming by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 07:35 · Score: 0

Fuck unit tests - useless bullshit that was glorified by synthetic use cases.
Re:My experience of pair programming by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 07:42 · Score: 0

, I've repeatedly found there's not any way to get the job done more quickly/effectively than just leaving me alone to get it done on my own
Why aren't you a Team Player? Why don't you agree with Best Practices? Why do you Hate America?
Re: My experience of pair programming by Miamicanes · 2018-12-09 13:02 · Score: 1, Insightful

^ That's usually what happens when you pair people who are TOO similar... like pairing an INTP with an INFP or ENTP (or worse yet, another INTP). They succumb to the same problems, and feel the most strongly about things they're likely to disagree about. Egos clash, and it rarely ends up being a good idea.
For pairing to really work well, you need two people who are similar enough to agree about striving toward the same goals, but follow meandering mental paths that cross back & forth along the way towards that goal. Ideally, when perfectly matched, you end up with two people who can easily solve each other's problems without making them feel insulted, and both feel like they're getting as much out of it as they're putting in.
The main reason pairing works at all in the real world is due to demographics. INTP & INTJ (the golden pair) is rare overall, but account for something like 40-60% of career programmers, so the odds aren't quite random. But personality type compatibility is still just ONE requirement... they also need to be comparable in skill & genuinely regard each other as equals. Even an INTP and INTJ can resent each other or have cat fights if their skills/contributions are too lopsided.
Re: My experience of pair programming by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 14:15 · Score: 0

um, no. Unit tests are replication of a decent compiler. As soon as you start removing strong typing and other enforced limitations you need something else to double check your human frailty.
Re: My experience of pair programming by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 16:36 · Score: 0

Unit tests for code written by the developer who wrote the code is just a crutch for a developer who can't remember what he tested or doesb't know how changes will affect his system. They will test exactly what he thought about and nothing more.
Unit tests for code when someone else is maintaining your code is mildly useful, especially if the bugs are getting assigned to the latest millennial through the door who will find something close on stackoverflow and copy/paste his way to completion.
Unit tests written for your code by an anal bastard with an axe to grind with you personally...now that code will be solid.
Moral of the story, find a test engineer who is pretty good, get him on your team, and fuck his wife or something.

JEWgle self-glorifies its jews? Ha by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-09 06:22 · Score: -1

Khazar Talmudic Jews believe this of all they call goyim/gentiles (any non-jew): Jews = biggest racists of all (for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Argentines in the 1940 under Peron, Spanish inquistion, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above.