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Border Agents Fail To Delete Personal Data of Travelers After Electronic Searches, Watchdog Says (gizmodo.com)

The Department of Homeland Security's internal watchdog, known as the Office of the Inspector General (OIG) found that the majority of U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) agents fail to delete the personal data they collect from travelers' devices. Last year alone, border agents searched through the electronic devices of more than 29,000 travelers coming into the country. "CBP officers sometimes upload personal data from those devices to Homeland Security servers by first transferring that data onto USB drives -- drives that are supposed to be deleted after every use," Gizmodo reports. From the report: Customs officials can conduct two kinds of electronic device searches at the border for anyone entering the country. The first is called a "basic" or "manual" search and involves the officer visually going through your phone, your computer or your tablet without transferring any data. The second is called an "advanced search" and allows the officer to transfer data from your device to DHS servers for inspection by running that data through its own software. Both searches are legal and don't require a warrant or even probable cause -- at least they don't according to DHS. It's that second kind of search, the "advanced" kind, where CBP has really been messing up and regularly leaving the personal data of travelers on USB drives.

According to the new report [PDF]: "[The Office of the Inspector General] physically inspected thumb drives at five ports of entry. At three of the five ports, we found thumb drives that contained information copied from past advanced searches, meaning the information had not been deleted after the searches were completed. Based on our physical inspection, as well as the lack of a written policy, it appears [Office of Field Operations] has not universally implemented the requirement to delete copied information, increasing the risk of unauthorized disclosure of travelers' data should thumb drives be lost or stolen."
The report also found that Customs officers "regularly failed to disconnect devices from the internet, potentially tainting any findings stored locally on the device." It also found that the officers had "inadequate supervision" to make sure they were following the rules. There's also a number of concerning redactions. For example, everything from what happens during an advanced search after someone crosses the border to the reason officials are allowed to conduct an advanced search at all has been redacted.

89 comments

  1. Confirmation is nice but... by fustakrakich · · Score: 3, Informative

    Raise your hand if you didn't expect that one...

    The still untried solution awaits

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    1. Re:Confirmation is nice but... by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let's all guess why they are keeping it secret. I'll bet pretty much anything, that a bunch of customs agents where going through attractive women's photo albums and pilfering images used for sexting, oh yeah and doing it a lot.

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    2. Re:Confirmation is nice but... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Don't be so sexist... I'm sure there are plenty of gay TSA agents too!

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    3. Re:Confirmation is nice but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And there's girlies there too! Some are pretty hot! cha cha cha chaa!

      You should see my customs porn where they bend me over the table for the all inclusive search and seizure... oh baby!

      Really, these people are pervs! Just like the Catholics. Too bad we let it happen.

    4. Re:Confirmation is nice but... by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      It's a sad state of affairs as our worst tin hat paranoiac fantasies come true.

      Let this be a reminder that all those silly "privacy policies" out there are just as phony.

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    5. Re:Confirmation is nice but... by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      At least a couple of federal courts have ruled that Customs needs a warrant to search your computer or phone.

    6. Re:Confirmation is nice but... by gweihir · · Score: 2

      They have no accountability, they do not get punished whatever misdeeds they do, they have wayyyy too much power. Of course they would do this.

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    7. Re:Confirmation is nice but... by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Good luck enforcing that when you're facing the TSA at an airport and want to get somewhere.

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    8. Re:Confirmation is nice but... by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Let's all guess why they are keeping it secret. I'll bet pretty much anything, that a bunch of customs agents where going through attractive women's photo albums and pilfering images used for sexting, oh yeah and doing it a lot.

      Remember, these are the same people who steal the iphones and laptops from your checked baggage.

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    9. Re:Confirmation is nice but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And there's girlies there too! Some are pretty hot! cha cha cha chaa!

      You should see my customs porn where they bend me over the table for the all inclusive search and seizure... oh baby!

      Really, these people are pervs! Just like the Catholics. Too bad we let it happen.

      what about a catholic TSA girl agent?

      also... OIG OMG

      but yes.. any hot guy or girl is a potential security threat...LOL... I suspect that there are both male and female TSA agents with both male and female interests

    10. Re:Confirmation is nice but... by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      And, most importantly, when they've gathered this information, they think it is THEIRS.

      And that is what needs to be changed.

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    11. Re:Confirmation is nice but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better they steal it than infect it with state grade malware

    12. Re:Confirmation is nice but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jane Q. Public misleadingly stated:

      At least a couple of federal courts have ruled that Customs needs a warrant to search your computer or phone.

      First off, you're conflating Customs and Immigration with the TSA. They are two different agencies, and rulings that apply to the former don't necessarily bind the latter, either theoretically or practically.

      By "a couple of federal courts," I presume you're talking about California vs Riley, the unanimous 2014 SCOTUS decision that Federal (and all local government bodies) agencies in general are prohibited from searching cell phones without a warrant, on the principle that they contain, in the words of Chief Justice Roberts, "the privacies of life," and are thus protected under the 4th Amendment? Because the problem with that argument is that the border search exemption, for the legitimacy of which there is a host of supportive court rulings at all levels, says, "Nuh-uh!"

      Among those is the relatively recent 11th Circuit Court of Appeals ruling in United States vs Vergara, where the majority held that Riley simply "does not apply at the border," (Judge William Pryor, writing for the majority), and the 2013 9th Circuit Court ruling in United States vs Howard Wesley Cotterman, which held that Riley did not apply in the case of a suspected pedophile whose laptop was siezed at the border and searched with neither his permission nor a warrant, on the grounds that the pattern of precedent established that Riley - and, indeed, 4th Amendment protections in general - did not apply to "routine" searches at the border. (Note that the 6th Circuit Court is generally (and accurately) perceived as the most liberal of the Appeals Courts, and that it heard the case en banc, with every member participating, rather than delegating it to a panel of 3 judges.)

      Given that, in the latter case, Cotterman was on the Feds' radar for at least 6 months prior to him crossing the Mexican border - which prompted the U.S. Attorney in the appeal to argue that they had had sufficient "reasonable suspicion" to seize his computer (which one would presume would have prompted them to obtain a warrant beforehand, unless they felt they didn't have enough solid evidence to convince a judge to issue one, and didn't want to risk an on-the-record application for it having been denied for cause) - and the Court ruled that existing investigation was irrelevant, on the grounds that the seizure and search of his laptop was "routine," I see little support for your contention. Cotterman faced decades of prison time, but SCOTUS declined to review that 11th Circuit decsion, nonetheless.

      There's still a chance that the 11th's decision in Vergara will be taken up for review by SCOTUS, (frankly, Cotterman was a thicket of complications I doubt they wanted to have to wade through, whereas Vergara seems a great deal simpler to me), but there's no guarantee that they will. In the meantime, the 11th's ruling in Vergara (especially in light of Cotterman) is the existing precedent.

      So, no. Sadly, the Federal Court system has come down hard on the side of security theater vs Constitutional guarantees. From my perspective, that's a mistake - but I, personally, wouldn't cross the border with my phone, unless it was encrypted, protected by a strong passphrase, and fully and securely backed-up ahead of time. Not in this legal climate, I wouldn't ...

      (Disclaimer: IANAL. YMMV. Objects in mirror are closer than they appear. Contents are packed by weight, not volume. Some settling may have occurred in shipping. Yadda-yadda-yadda, yabba-dabba-do

    13. Re:Confirmation is nice but... by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Very much so.

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    14. Re:Confirmation is nice but... by Audguy · · Score: 1

      Why not both?

  2. When will people wake up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The restrictions placed on the government by our Constitution continue to go on, when will people wake up?

    1. Re:When will people wake up? by ArylAkamov · · Score: 2

      Only when the average man becomes extremely uncomfortable. So not for a long time.

    2. Re:When will people wake up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    3. Re:When will people wake up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The Constitution only applies to U.S Citizens." FALSE as written.

    4. Re:When will people wake up? by mermeid007 · · Score: 1

      Damn bullies. I'll get you if its the last thing I ever do! (shakes fist)

    5. Re:When will people wake up? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Constitution only applies to U.S Citizens.

      No it doesn't. The Constitution does not confer rights. It places restrictions on the government. The First Amendment says: "Congress shall make no law.... It doesn't say "no law except on foreigners". No where in the Bill of Rights does it say they only apply to citizens.

      These searches are applied to non citizens trying to gain entry to our country.

      Wrong. Anyone, citizen or non-citizen, is subject to search when crossing a border, or within the border area.

    6. Re:When will people wake up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The blatant ignoring of restrictions that is.

    7. Re:When will people wake up? by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Informative

      Once a non US citizen is in the USA they get all the expected human rights that the US gov has set and accepts.
      Food, water, health care, visits by their embassy.

      People just have to stop supporting/funding banned groups when outside one the USA.
      Been part of a banned group and not mentioning that fact when asked is a crime.
      Supporting a banned group and related funding is a crime when asked about any such activity.
      Traveling in a nation that supports banned groups and not telling the US gov about that extra "holiday" when asked is a crime.
      Having images taken with wanted criminals who are active members of a banned group .... and not mentioning that to the US gov..
      Creating a fake identity to hide past that had a person supporting banned groups.
      Banking for banned groups.
      Transferring tech and money to nations that have sanctions imposed.

      No loss of rights for a non citizen/illegal migrant. When the US gov asks questions when entering the USA, don't hide past events and expect to be allowed in.

      Thats why the search of digital data/images/gps is so important. It finds people who support banned groups outside the USA. People who then lie to the US gov.

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    8. Re:When will people wake up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Found the Authoritarian! Go go Nazi propaganda!

    9. Re:When will people wake up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > No it doesn't. The Constitution does not confer rights. It places restrictions on the government. The First Amendment says: "Congress shall make no law.... It doesn't say "no law except on foreigners". No where in the Bill of Rights does it say they only apply to citizens.

      You are delusional if you believe that the constitutional restrictions are being respected by the government, or have within any time of the past 50 years. Lookup the first use of State Secrets.Hint: to evade civil penalty/payments to widows(!) of husbands whom Uncle Sam murdered by neglectful maintenance of aircraft.

      There's a list a mile long going form WW2 to current and without interruption whereby the Constitution is ignored by uncle sam. and the plebeians have what recourse?

      Furthermore, the USA Oligarchs act with impunity, for decades now.

      Trumps dirty dealings and ongoing 'irs disputes' are just one example of this. Never-mind his money laundering or what should have been blatant 'devaluing of property statements' And this is not an outlier of the billionaire club.

    10. Re:When will people wake up? by morethanapapercert · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The irony of someone promoting this sort of thinking while using the handle AHuxley is just staggering. You do know that Aldous was on the left side of the political spectrum right? He was a humanist, cherished the value of human beings over the systems humans create to serve their needs.

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    11. Re:When will people wake up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are delusional if you believe that the constitutional restrictions are being respected by the government, or have within any time of the past 50 years. Lookup the first use of State Secrets.Hint: to evade civil penalty/payments to widows(!) of husbands whom Uncle Sam murdered by neglectful maintenance of aircraft.

      No, you are the one who can't comprehend the parent post. The post DID NOT say anything about "constitutional restrictions are being respected" by the government, but rather said the "constitution restrictions are placed on" the government. Are you really from a native English speaking country?

    12. Re:When will people wake up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Once a non-US citizen is in the USA they get all the expected human rights that the US gov has set and accepts.
      Food, water, health care, visits by their embassy."

      - Food and water are not human rights to my knowledge. If I am wrong, let me know. I wont be paying anymore. I d warn you against Flint too.
      - Dont start me on health care. There are plenty of foreigners that go bankrupt after accidents and hospital bills in US.
      - The embassy visit is hardly a human right.

      What is a human right on the other hand is privacy and the right to not being frisked at the border just because I want to holiday
      in the US. Which I dont, but that personal. I do feel like Im missing out though. However, I can never support this type of shit.

      Eric

    13. Re:When will people wake up? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      AC re "foreigners that go bankrupt after accidents and hospital bills in US." That is a US gov problem how? Buy some medical "travel insurance".
      AC that "right to not being frisked" has been before many a US court over generations and decades. The US gov finds it can have a secure border.

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    14. Re:When will people wake up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >The US gov finds it can have a secure border.

      Depends who you ask, apparently, else we'd not be asked to subsidize the folly of a $5,000,000,000 wall.

  3. Two out of Five ain't bad... by bobbied · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm surprised that two out of the five actually did delete the data.

    I wonder how much of this is "Quick Format" and "Hey we found old data here!" kind of things?

    But I think we buried the lead here. What really concerns me is that the documentation about the searches and why they where conducted is woefully lacking (see page 6 of the PDF). Seems that this process is ripe for abuse and that the controls in place for keeping this on the up and up are being ignored.

    Think of it this way.. IF nobody is documenting why and when this is being done, there is no real proof and no real way to get it to stop if it really is out of hand.

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    1. Re:Two out of Five ain't bad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lets be realistic. They search the cute foreign girls on 'advanced' mode and keep the thumb drives to bring home to search for nudes at night.

      You know it's happening.

    2. Re:Two out of Five ain't bad... by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Lets be realistic. They search the cute foreign girls on 'advanced' mode and keep the thumb drives to bring home to search for nudes at night.

      You know it's happening.

      This.

      Just like they make cute girls go through the body scanner a second time and call all their friends over to make really sure she's not hiding anything.

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  4. big tech cos do this too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Always forgetting to delete, derp!

  5. WTF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The USA is actually hard copying data from travelers phones? Jesus I'm glad I stopped flying through the US 5 years ago.

    1. Re: WTF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We're glad too.

    2. Re: WTF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get out while you still can

    3. Re:WTF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do tell, what place you go to where you're foolish enough to believe they don't do that to you?

    4. Re:WTF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Places that don't ask you to hand over your phone. There are places like that in the world.

  6. but "according to DHS" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they've, no doubt, done nothing wrong.

    they probably share "interesting" pictures and other data among themselves, too.

  7. Why would they. by wolfheart111 · · Score: 2

    They can sell it :(

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  8. Not so Random search... by sarren1901 · · Score: 1

    Well of course every hot chick is a potential security threat...

  9. So... by Locke2005 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What's to stop you from removing the Micro SDHC card from your phone before the search? They're not getting their hands on MY MP3 files!

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    1. Re:So... by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Informative

      What's to stop you encrypting your data and storing it somewhere on the internet instead of taking a physical copy through a checkpoint?

      If a terrorist wants to bomb a plane, he's going to need to smuggle a bomb past security, so checking people for bombs isn't exactly a stupid idea (whether the balance between safety, security, privacy, and theatrics is good is a whole different matter). But if he's got some "terrorist data" to move around, why would he physically carry it?

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    2. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      With wifi just about everywhere and the possibility of setting up VPN tunnels back to private storage, why is there any reason to keep anything on your phone at a border crossing? upload before crossing, Wipe the device, redownload once you're across.

    3. Re:So... by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      The US gov is not after "company documents, tax documents, industrial documents". The NSA/MI6/GCHQ/CIA can get all that for free in real time globally.

      The US gov wants a person to lie directly when asked a simple question.
      The US mil and its support in other nations already know who is entering the USA and what they did globally while on "holiday".
      The questions and search at the international border allows for people tracked globally by the US mil/CIA to be questioned as a very random "event".
      Such people who support banned groups, have funded banned groups then have to lie about such support to the US gov.
      No further "methods" get exposed. That one lie revokes the ability to enter the USA. The "lie" can start a formal investigation without having to show what the US mil found the person doing in another nation.

      Its not about "company documents". The US wants to find images of people supporting banned groups, been in contact with criminals.

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    4. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's to stop you from removing the Micro SDHC card from your phone before the search?

      iPhones don't have removable storage, you insensitive clod.

    5. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      One more reason not to travel to the US, even to tourism.

      With dozens already to choose from, what's one more? Only a fool would willingly set foot in that sh!thole of a country.

    6. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what a full cavity search is for. Stick that thing up your arse and they'll find it. Lube or no lube.

    7. Re:So... by pipedwho · · Score: 2

      Moral of the story, never remove the SD card from your phone before crossing the border. This manoeuvre is probably far more painful if there's nothing for them to find, and yet they keep looking.

    8. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go go Nazi propaganda! Don't you mean, "if you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear!", fascist scum?

    9. Re:So... by morethanapapercert · · Score: 2
      And yet, there have been those on this site who argue that making a copy isn't "theft" because the owner isn't deprived of their copy.

      In this case, for foreigners with sensitive business documents, the CIA and NSA would be seriously remiss in their duties if they didn't try to mine such info at every opportunity and analyse it 6 ways from Sunday to give the US any edge in security (and lets be honest, any edge in prosperity too)

      Terrorists, at least, tech savvy terrorists, wouldn't have sensitive data on mobile devices coming across the border. As others have said, it only makes sense to use cloud storage for that sort of thing. BUT, what the hypothetical terrorist might have on his device is traces of the address of their chosen cloud storage, encryption keys needed and so on. (probably not log in/authentication credentials, those are usually memorized.) If a bad actor forgot the encryption keys were on his system, DHS would have a nice invitation to access every thing he could.

      In theory, what happens is your sensitive business info gets slurped onto a thumb drive and then sent to the DHS central database and some automatic screening goes on. If you have nothing that raises red flags, it gets archived in that massive NSA storehouse and you are free to go. Unless it becomes relevant to a case, your data never gets looked at by a human being and likely never gets re examined by software either.

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    10. Re:So... by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      And yet, there have been those on this site who argue that making a copy isn't "theft" because the owner isn't deprived of their copy.

      That's because it isn't theft. Theft is where you take someone from someone and they are subsequently deprived of it. Copying someone's data without their permission is not theft, it is violation of copyright. We have an entire separate body of law for copyright specifically because it is different from theft. Were it otherwise, we could simply have different sentencing guidelines under the existing laws governing theft to cover theft of data. But it isn't, so we don't, because you can't.

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    11. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet, there have been those on this site who argue that making a copy isn't "theft" because the owner isn't deprived of their copy.

      In this case, for foreigners with sensitive business documents, the CIA and NSA would be seriously remiss in their duties if they didn't try to mine such info at every opportunity and analyse it 6 ways from Sunday to give the US any edge in security (and lets be honest, any edge in prosperity too)

      Terrorists, at least, tech savvy terrorists, wouldn't have sensitive data on mobile devices coming across the border. As others have said, it only makes sense to use cloud storage for that sort of thing. BUT, what the hypothetical terrorist might have on his device is traces of the address of their chosen cloud storage, encryption keys needed and so on. (probably not log in/authentication credentials, those are usually memorized.) If a bad actor forgot the encryption keys were on his system, DHS would have a nice invitation to access every thing he could.

      In theory, what happens is your sensitive business info gets slurped onto a thumb drive and then sent to the DHS central database and some automatic screening goes on. If you have nothing that raises red flags, it gets archived in that massive NSA storehouse and you are free to go. Unless it becomes relevant to a case, your data never gets looked at by a human being and likely never gets re examined by software either.

      So buy a clean cheap pc and phone for the trip and sell it on afterwards.

    12. Re:So... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Theft is where you take someone from someone and they are subsequently deprived of it.

      No, that's called kidnapping.

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    13. Re:So... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      No, that's called kidnapping.

      Touche. Although in my defense, it's also called a typo.

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    14. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am well aware of the distinction. I was just responding to TheDarkMaster's choice of words in calling DHS data harvesting theft

    15. Re:So... by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "But if he's got some "terrorist data" to move around, why would he physically carry it?"

      Because sneakernetting doesn't get you a JDAM visit in the middle of the night. Taliban used sneakernet for that very reason.

      The internet cannot ever be considered secure (let's not pretend otherwise) so using it is asking to get whacked.

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  10. For the lulz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    USB killer for the lulz.

  11. Define 'Crossing The Border' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can anyone confirm if we're talking about persons crossing the North/South borders of America or does these search rules apply to people flying in and out of the country at this point in time?
    If I'm your average foreigner flying in from Australia can agents in US airports perform 'advanced' searches on my data with no reasonable cause?

    1. Re: Define 'Crossing The Border' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They can and they do. You might be able to challenge it in court though, but donâ(TM)t expect that to be easy.

  12. Next Headlines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Next month we're either going to hear a story about how border agents infected thousands of devices with ransomware or about people tracking others down from files the border agents 'gave' them. It's trivial to write a little program that copies data off whatever USB device is plugged in or writes something extra to the drive.

  13. CBP is tasked to protect against any illegal items by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CBP is tasked to protect against any illegal items, not just things to harm a plane or drugs, but **anything** brought into the country which would be against the law.

    That includes fake clothing, fake shoes, fake purses, and copyright materials like music, movies, and $5 Adobe software from Asia.

    It ain't all about bombs.

  14. So... by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So the border guards can steal your data without having to give any explanation and without having to fear consequences. And I'm not talking about "MP3 files", I'm talking about company documents, tax documents, industrial documents, all sorts of perfectly legal information that is private property of a company or an individual.

    One more reason not to travel to the US, even to tourism.

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  15. The rank and file by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Probably canâ(TM)t delete anything and those that can are probably scared witless of deleting the wrong stuff.

  16. Why not? by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    Why should they? They do whatever the hell they want. Who's going to stop them? Who's going to jail?

  17. Thumb drive prophylaxis by pipedwho · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So let me get this straight.

    Some random customs officer takes a USB stick and puts it into someones laptop. A laptop with total control of its own I/O systems, peripheral ports, and software execution environment. Maybe they try to run some custom software that exists on the USB stick. Maybe they try to boot your machine off their USB stick, or have it somehow run something from the USB stick before you host OS takes control.

    Then they take out the USB stick, hopefully wipe it off, and put it into someone else's laptop and do the same thing?

    And they think this is a good idea?

    I'll leave it up to the reader to see if they can find the problem with this.

    1. Re:Thumb drive prophylaxis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most people would have to buy all new machines after to be sure their not owned by a USB firmware exploit and if their really lucky it's a government controlled exploit... :(

      Even if the firmware were open source could you test it's origin without removing the chips from the board or something?

    2. Re:Thumb drive prophylaxis by joe_frisch · · Score: 1

      I'd assume that a machine CBP touched should be immediately destroyed. I have no faith that they haven't installed something or that they may have made security mistakes that allowed the machine to be compromised. I'd probably tell them to keep it.

    3. Re:Thumb drive prophylaxis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Defcon crowd could have a field day with this...

      Meanwhile they have probably hacked the firmware in their drives to create hidden partitions not discoverable by normal means if they are smart.

    4. Re:Thumb drive prophylaxis by morethanapapercert · · Score: 4, Interesting
      That could be the plot of a decent movie. DHS decides to spend a LOT more attention on tourists coming in and out of Las Vegas during the Black Hat conference. Licking their chops in anticipation of all the grey and black hats they're gonna catch. But word of this plan leaks and attendance to the Con spikes massively as hacker and cracker folk from all over the world rush to Las Vegas in hopes of scoring the major coup of being the one who provided the poison pill mobile device that brought the DHS system down. Security checkpoints buckle under the unexpected load, supervisors calling in everybody for unscheduled overtime, the whole thing blowing up and social media, some grey hats going through security over and over, with ever decreasingly plausible disguises to see what it takes to make the overwork slobs on the front lines go "wait a second..." And then, when misery is at its peak, someone's carefully crafted data finds a weakness in the data upload system and brings down the DHS-NOC links for every customs point in America and a few in other countries.

      TALK ABOUT BRAGGING RIGHTS. It's xkcd's Bobby Tables gone hard core.

      (innocent look) Does any one know if DHS sanitizes its data inputs?

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    5. Re:Thumb drive prophylaxis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or a book if you have the time...

    6. Re:Thumb drive prophylaxis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All the comments with ... in this thread are mine by the way... LOL

    7. Re:Thumb drive prophylaxis by morethanapapercert · · Score: 1

      I probably have the time (retired) but I doubt I have the technical chops to make it plausible nor the writing chops to make such a work saleable.

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    8. Re:Thumb drive prophylaxis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I've heard from security folks that standing policy for Dutch govt. Officials is to only use disposable devices when going into China any Russia. I think they've extended that to the USA. For the EU defense industry the US was already off limits for hardware across the border after a few incidents in the late 90's.

      If I ever travel to the USA or China, my phone will be clean. Facebook... I will close it soon. Have to go to China next year and they also like to grab a copy of your info.

      Twitter is no problem. I keep that "corporate clean". Anything else I think I'll review over Christmas.

      It used to be paranoid to think like this :/

    9. Re:Thumb drive prophylaxis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've visited China about 10 times over the last 6-7 years, and they've never shown any interest in any of my devices.

    10. Re:Thumb drive prophylaxis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ... and they've never shown any interest in any of my devices.

      I would be insulted by this. This should make you take a step back and review how you're living your life.

    11. Re:Thumb drive prophylaxis by MiniMike · · Score: 2

      A "bad actor" could also copy whatever was available on the DHS USB drive from previous scans, in hopes of getting useful into/pics/method to embarrass DHS. If there's a high value (or hot) target, they could even just get in line behind them in hopes of getting this data.

    12. Re:Thumb drive prophylaxis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Defcon crowd could have a field day with this...

      Meanwhile they have probably hacked the firmware in their drives to create hidden partitions not discoverable by normal means if they are smart.

      You are talking about Border Agent not the three letter agencies with this as forte so a stego file with crypto vault should be enough.

    13. Re:Thumb drive prophylaxis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good ideas like this and me not being the source of them is good evidence that I wouldn't cut it as a pen tester....

  18. Kill them all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kill any border agent that searches the phone of a US citizen. Death to tyrants.

    1. Re:Kill them all by morethanapapercert · · Score: 1

      sadly, your IP has probably been noted, correlated with all your other traffic and this post is what put you over the top to get flagged on the NSA servers. If the US goes full fascist, guys like you will disappear in Night and Fog II electric boogaloo..

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  19. I wonder... by morethanapapercert · · Score: 1
    I wonder if the private data coming from the device of an attractive woman makes any change to the odds of it being "accidentally" left on the USB? A local tech shop has had to fire a few employees over the years because they would make a point of skimming through the hard drives of attractive women, hoping to score some nude selfies.

    Plus, is anyone making sure that these thumb drives aren't growing legs? The DHS doesn't have a good track record there. There has been apparently a lot of cases of valuables were mysteriously disappearing while in DHS custody

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  20. Re: CBP is tasked to protect against any illegal i by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's a gotcha procedure, and has nothing to do with protecting anyone or anything. It's simply about catching people in an arbitrary violation of rules in order to extort money or exert power.

    That sort of arbitrary game playing is the very essence of government corruption, it's simply a matter of scale and scope. They get away with the little shit they pull, and keep pressing the boundaries until the gotcha games exceed some critical threshold - either populist in nature, or someone with sufficient power and money gets irritated.

    Gotcha games should be identified and eliminated by their essential qualities, instead of citizens having to play along. In fact, that's kinda the whole fucking point of the U.S. constitution. These things are only possibly because the core principles have been irrevocably buried in two centuries of corrosive minutiae.

    The solution is the modern digitization, review, simplification, and constitutional ratification of all federal law. Fat chance of that ever happening, when known loopholes and ever more nebulous, incoherent laws allow essentially unlimited abuse by the ruling class.

  21. We don't need... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We don't need no steenkin' rules!
    We don't need no steenkin' warrant!
    We don't need no steenkin' evidence!

  22. Fourth Ammendment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Both searches are legal and don't require a warrant or even probable cause"

    How?

  23. CBP supplies the FBI with 'data' for its web. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know the one they run on TOR that has the kid pics.

  24. So... better to not carry devices at all then. by visigoth · · Score: 1

    I don't travel often and generally refuse to fly when I do, seeing how air travel has devolved to treating passengers like livestock over the past couple decades. Is there even a "safe" way to travel in and out of the U.S. with any devices (laptops, cellphones) at all? Seems one would be better served by carrying *nothing*, and procuring necessary (disposable) devices when at destination, and discarding them before return trip. If I have nothing on me or in my luggage that has digital content at all, then nothing to search, right?

    Seems highly inconvenient, but no way would I be willing to submit so a search of my hardware, for all the many reasons noted elsewhere in this thread...