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Canada Grants Bail For Arrested Huawei CFO Who Faces US Extradition (cnbc.com)

A judge in Vancouver, British Columbia, has set a $7.5 million U.S. bail for Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou, who was arrested last week on suspicion of violating U.S. trade sanctions against Iran. "The United States had asked the Vancouver court to deny bail for Meng, whose father is a billionaire and a founder of Huawei, calling her a flight risk," reports CNBC. From the report: Canada has been expected to extradite Meng to the United States over charges that the company improperly took payments from Iran in violation of sanctions against the country. Meng's next moves will be closely watched, but it is likely with her corporate and family connections that she will be able to make bail. The $10 million CAD ($7.5 million USD) includes $7 million CAD ($5.2 million USD) cash and $3 million CAD ($2.2 million USD) more from five or more guarantors, presented by Meng and her attorney's as sureties that she would remain in the country. As conditions of the bail agreement, Meng must surrender her passports, wear a GPS tracking device and be accompanied by security detail whenever she leaves her residence.

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  1. China, no question by Pollux · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As soon as they granted her bail, China, no question. If the US really wanted her, they would have made arrangements to get her immediately after her arrest. Since the US didn't arrange that, then it's safe to say this was designed to be a shot across the bow at China, nothing more. But China clearly got the message. If you are a Chinese national in the United States (or Canada), you are vulnerable.

    I found it so funny that they took away her passports. That only works for people who fly commercially. Chartered private planes don't require them. And with her estimated net worth at over $100 million, it won't take anything for her line up a flight direct to Beijing.

    1. Re:China, no question by caseih · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And now what if you are an American (or Canadian) national in China? No doubt China will retaliate. There are a lot of American businessmen who operate in China. They already occasionally are subject to arbitrary action on the part of the Chinese government. Would this not give China more excuses to use them as political tools?

    2. Re:China, no question by iCEBaLM · · Score: 3, Interesting

      China has already retaliated:

      https://www.cbc.ca/news/politi...

    3. Re:China, no question by quantaman · · Score: 4, Informative

      I wonder how she will pull that off, given the GPS tracker she must wear and the security team that must escort her everywhere she goes.

      I get it, she's rich, but its still QUITE an operation she would have to pull in order to escape the country.

      She's rich, she doesn't have to jump bail to stay out of jail. Heck, if you're rich enough you can be a pedophile and still avoid jail time.

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    4. Re:China, no question by AC5398 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah, but destination country would be China. I hardly think China would arrest her for violating her bail in Canada.

      And I hope she runs. The US did this to harm Chinese/Canadian relations.

    5. Re:China, no question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You could have substituted "US" for "China" in that post, and it would have exactly as convincing.

      It was a boneheaded move to arrest this woman. Getting the Canadians to do it - just drags them down too. Frankly I'm surprised they went along, I suspect there's not many countries left that would have now. (Try pulling a stunt like this in, say, Australia or Japan instead. No chance.)

      Note that the person arrested in that story - even assuming, as seems likely, it was simple retaliation - is hardly a nameless "innocent that can't defend himself". He's a former diplomat, which means he knows the score and he's well able to look after himself.

    6. Re:China, no question by iNaya · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You can replace "China" in those two sentences with "the United States", and they would be just as true.

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    7. Re:China, no question by freeze128 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Is the GPS tracker made by Huawei?

  2. Still don't believe there's an ongoing coup? by MikeRT · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The fact that this happened right as Trump was smoothing things out with Xi can only be explained by a willful desire by DoJ staffers to make it blow up in Trump's face. It looks like aside from John Bolton, no one in the cabinet even knew that the DoJ was planning a move that amounts to making foreign policy.

    Make no mistake. This move by the DoJ during the trade negotiations was no less aggressive and "making foreign policy" than if the DoD decided to move an entire carrier battle group off the shore of one of China's disputed islands and fly half its aircraft in a very aggressive, simulated bombing run of the PLA forces stationed there.

    1. Re:Still don't believe there's an ongoing coup? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      DoJ Hypocrisy...

      "Meng is charged with violating US sanctions on Iran. Yet consider her arrest in the context of the large number of companies, US and non-US, that have violated US sanctions against Iran and other countries. In 2011, for example, JP Morgan Chase paid $88.3 million in fines in 2011 for violating US sanctions against Cuba, Iran, and Sudan. Yet Jamie Dimon wasn’t grabbed off a plane and whisked into custody.

      And JP Morgan Chase was hardly alone in violating US sanctions. Since 2010, the following major financial institutions paid fines for violating US sanctions: Banco do Brasil, Bank of America, Bank of Guam, Bank of Moscow, Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi, Barclays, BNP Paribas, Clearstream Banking, Commerzbank, Compass, Crédit Agricole, Deutsche Bank, HSBC, ING, Intesa Sanpaolo, JP Morgan Chase, National Bank of Abu Dhabi, National Bank of Pakistan, PayPal, RBS (ABN Amro), Société Générale, Toronto-Dominion Bank, Trans-Pacific National Bank (now known as Beacon Business Bank), Standard Chartered, and Wells Fargo.

      None of the CEOs or CFOs of these sanction-busting banks was arrested and taken into custody for these violations. In all of these cases, the corporation – rather than an individual manager – was held accountable. Nor were they held accountable for the pervasive lawbreaking in the lead-up to or aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis, for which the banks paid a staggering $243 billion in fines, according to a recent tally. In light of this record, Meng’s arrest is a shocking break with practice. Yes, hold CEOs and CFOs accountable, but start at home in order to avoid hypocrisy, self-interest disguised as high principle, and the risk of inciting a new global conflict."

      https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/trump-war-on-huawei-meng-wanzhou-arrest-by-jeffrey-d-sachs-2018-12

  3. Re:and what bondsman will take that risk? by youngone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's Canada. They're a civilised country, so bail bondsmen are illegal.

  4. Re:Those crazy Canucks... by ClickOnThis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Bet she's glad to be oot, eh?

    Canadian expat here.

    Dear Americans, we love you. But please, once and for all, Canadians do not say "oot." It's more like "aout" - soft 'a' followed by a rising 'o' to 'u' vowel transition, ending in a 't' consonant. Perhaps a linguist could explain it better. But it's not "oot."

    Thank you.

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  5. Re:Arrest "on suspicion" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Pretty much this. Demanding arrest and extradition without proof is SOP for the US "justice" system. See Kim Dotcom's case. What he was charged with (tertiary copyright infringement) isn't even found in US law, yet mere "suspicion" was enough for a helicopter raid. The clowns are running the circus.

  6. Re: This is some sick shit. by youngone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sanctions are actions which are taken instead of just going to war with a country

    No, sanctions are taken with allies, not unilaterally. If your allies didn't agree to enforce them, you've done it wrong.

    ...Bombing the shit out of Iran, or sitting back and just watching them gas their own population...

    That was Iraq. The US did bomb the shit out of it, and now its a hell hole.
    If you don't even know which country you're talking about, I suppose there's no point in explaining how the US has spent the last 70 years or so getting it wrong in Iran every single time.

  7. Re:Arrest "on suspicion" by Uberbah · · Score: 5, Insightful

    and there is some extradition treaty the RCMP are bound by

    The United States practices torture. As a signatory to the UN Convention Against Torture, Canada can tell the department of justice to GFY on any extraditions. Easy peasy lemon squeezy.

  8. Re:Accident - USA had no intention of arresting he by mlyle · · Score: 3, Informative

    RCMP didn't just arrest her on their own-- they were irequested by US DOJ to detain her. Now they are awaiting a formal request for extradition; if none comes, they'll let her go in 60 days.

    I suspect there is a lot more wiggle room in the USA on acting on arrest warrants than there is in Canada.

    US arrest warrants have no standing in Canada. Instead, there was a request issued to Canada per Article 11 of the treaty:

    > (1) In case of urgency a Contracting Party may apply for the provisional arrest of the person sought pending the presentation of the request for extradition through the diplomatic channel. Such application shall contain a description of the person sought, an indication of intention to request the extradition of the person sought and a statement of the existence of a warrant or arrest or a judgment of conviction against that person, and such further information, if any, as would be necessary to justify the issue of a warrant of arrest had the offense been committed, or the person sought been convicted, in the territory of the requested State.

  9. Re:Arrest "on suspicion" by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Informative

    Which is why I'm using this as an excuse to get out of jury duty (if I ever get asked).

    "My Lord, if that man is innocent, why are we all here? If the cops believe he's guilty, that's good enough for me."

    In Westminster systems like Canada and the UK, the charges go from the police to the prosecutorial service. It's up to the prosecutor in charge to review the evidence and charges and decide on whether or not there's a reasonable chance of success. If not, then the prosecutor then decides if a lesser charge might have a better chance (e.g., going from murder to manslaughter). If not, the case is dropped - better to drop it now where there is insufficient evidence going in than to drag out a court case wasting resources on a hopeless case.

    It's why in general the prosecutors have a rather high success rate of conviction - they don't blindly take up every case they're offered and instead analyze them to see if it will meet the thresholds of conviction. Yes there will be back and forth - the prosecutor can ask the police if they have any more evidence to solidify the case.

    This is also the point where the prosecutors do their best to analyze how the evidence was gathered to ensure the defense can't pull a "tainted evidence" defense that discards key evidence.

    It's not a perfect system because it can mean people go free due to lack of evidence right from the get-go (though usually the prosecution also directs when the police may arrest someone, so something like this won't end up with a double jeopardy situation). And it can mean really long delays between the crime and arraignmet, charges and the eventual trial.

    It's also why a jury trial is optional - the defense has a choice, but in general jury trial conviction rates are even higher than a judge only trial.