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Net Neutrality Bill 38 Votes Short In Congress, and Time Has Almost Run Out (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: Legislation to restore net neutrality rules now has 180 supporters in the U.S. House of Representatives, but that's 38 votes short of the amount needed before the end of the month. The Congressional Review Act (CRA) resolution, already approved by the Senate, would reverse the Federal Communications Commission's repeal of net neutrality rules. But 218 signatures from U.S. representatives (a majority) are needed to force a full vote in the House before Congress adjourns at the end of the year.

Net neutrality advocates previously said they needed 218 signatures by December 10 to force a vote. But an extension of Congress' session provided a little more time. "[Now that the Congressional session has officially been extended, members of Congress could be in town as late as December 21st," net neutrality advocacy group Fight for the Future wrote yesterday. "This means we have until the end of the year to get as many lawmakers as possible signed on to restore net neutrality."
A discharge petition that would force a vote on the CRA resolution gained three new supports in the past two weeks, but even if all Democrats were on board it still wouldn't be enough to force a vote. Republicans have a 236-197 House majority, and only one House Republican has signed the petition.

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  1. Both sides are bad... Oh wait.. by bit+trollent · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Except that Democrats are overwhelmingly in favor of Net Neutrality, while republicans are 99% opposed.

    Hmm it's almost like there is a clear difference between the parties an a critical issue at impacts all of us.

    You might even say that the bothsiderism that people who are stupid or intellectually dishonest constantly engage in is absolute fraudulent nonsense.

    1. Re:Both sides are bad... Oh wait.. by bit+trollent · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If by that you mean that I am able to correctly differentiate between the politicians looking out for our interest and the politicians who seek to destroy our internet, our country, and the concept of basic decency - then yes I have fallen into that trap.

      Perhaps you should try a little basic observation combined with critical thinking sometime.

      Unless you still haven't gotten bored of erroneously saying "both sides are bad"...

    2. Re:Both sides are bad... Oh wait.. by bhcompy · · Score: 3, Informative

      If it passed the Senate, which the summary says it did, then it had at least two Republican Senators to support it

    3. Re:Both sides are bad... Oh wait.. by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bullshit. Both parties were on board with Iraq, including Clinton. And we are still there and in Afghanistan. Democrats were on board with that one too. I can't believe anyone is this naive in 2018.

    4. Re:Both sides are bad... Oh wait.. by bit+trollent · · Score: 4, Informative

      The only real opposition for the war in Iraq came from Democrats, and very few outlier republicans.

      Obama opposed it, as did most Democrats.

      And it was the republicans in the Bush / Cheney that intentionally cooked up the intelligence on WMD that ensured the biggest war of the last generation was fought on a lie.

      But again, you would have to be able to see the obvious and distinguish between vastly different actions from different parties.

    5. Re:Both sides are bad... Oh wait.. by SirAstral · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The fraudulent nonsense is on you. Both are terrible, just because they have different rhetoric and ways of acting out that corruption does not change the end result that corruption is end to end, party before country, constant lies and deceit, dancing around the issues, backroom deals, rushing votes on recently changed bills, pork, omnibus, budget, gerrymandering, filibusters, taking bribes, lobbyists over citizens, fear mongering, and a general disconnect with reality BOTH FUCKING SIDES!!! People like you are easy to fool. I could rob you and make you love me for it, all I have to do is tell you it was those other guys over there! It's that simple... that is how politicians play the game, regardless of side and that is how YOU get pulled into thinking that one sides is more noble or cares about you more. They are the rich elite and you are the poor serf. They are smart and you are dumb... by the pure virtue that they are ruling over you! If you were so smart then you too would be able to game the system and put these idiots in the place and show them to be the fools they obviously are right?

      NN has loopholes built into it... yea I can hear it now... It's better than nothing. So what? That's the bait that you just bit sucker! When NN was in effect I saw no difference in my speeds, bandwidth limits. I did not see a change in exclusive content, I still saw Netflix getting throttled, I still saw the news reports where ISP kept fucking people over.

      The NN fight is the same as this stupid joke.

      To find out how to keep an idiot busy, turn this over...
      *turns over*
      To find out how to keep an idiot busy, turn this over...

      Please... keep turning the rock over... regulations gave the ISP's monopoly power starting with the creation of the FCC. The FCC is on record as stating they will regulate them as monopolies and they didn't even have to.

      Charles Reese was on target here..

      https://www.snopes.com/fact-ch...
      "Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them." ...
      "Don't you see the con game that is played on the people by the politicians? Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party." ...
      "Those 545 people and they alone are responsible. They and they alone should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses - provided they have the gumption to manage their own employees."

      And you don't have the gumption because you have been fooled (by a politician) into thinking 1/2 of the country wants you marginalized, enslaved, silenced, or killed.

    6. Re:Both sides are bad... Oh wait.. by Shaitan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "saving thousands of American lives with access to healthcare"

      You seem to be conflating insurance with healthcare. The only way this is helping is to allow people to get through the usual "do you have insurance" screen doctors use to determine whether people are likely to be able to pay the bill. Afterward they still get a bill and that bill is anywhere from 2-10x higher than before the "affordable care act".

      Before the affordable care act my employer provided free insurance to everyone on the payroll. There was a $1500 deductible and afterward most things were covered 100% while a few categories were 90%. $5 prescriptions which started immediately not after deductible. Since the affordable care act that is a $6500 deductible before ANYTHING is covered including prescriptions, afterward 80% covered, and it costs me about $1200/month.

      I had to go to the ER once and get stitches in the days without coverage. The bill was $200 and I was outraged there was ONE bill, from the hospital. My little brother went in with chronic stomach issues that meant he hadn't eaten in two weeks, they performed no tests, told him it was a thing they were starting to see and had no treatment. Subsequently, he was sent over $15,000 in bills from various parties, the hospital charges you, the doctor double charges you, etc.

      If you actually think the affordable care act is a good thing you've lost your damn mind. We could have public healthcare, we could have private healthcare, but this half assed measured is definitely much worse than a serious effort at either system.

    7. Re:Both sides are bad... Oh wait.. by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except that Democrats are overwhelmingly in favor of Net Neutrality, while republicans are 99% opposed.
      Hmm it's almost like there is a clear difference between the parties an a critical issue at impacts all of us.

      If it passed the Senate, which the summary says it did, then it had at least two Republican Senators to support it

      So, your sick burn is that it's not 99% of Republicans, but 96%?

      Also, please understand that the Senate voting records are pretty noisy, because of the small sample size. The House commonly has the same number (or fewer) dissenters with a larger pool of voters.

      Also, in fairness, it was 94%. Three Republicans voted for it. And the Democrats were 100% in favor of it. If you cannot tell the difference between Party D, 100% in support, and Party R, 6% in support, I cannot help you.

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  2. It was never supposed to pass by rsilvergun · · Score: 3, Informative

    the Senate passed it while they could be content in the knowledge that it couldn't pass the House. Now that the House is flipping to Dems it'll die in the Senate next. And in any case it doesn't have a super majority to overcome a Presidential Veto.

    I say this on every NN forum, but if this matters to you then you're going to have to change your voting. That means showing up at Primaries, voting against both the GOP _and_ the Clinton Democrats and putting actual, left wing candidates in office who are in favor of government regulation like NN.

    Because make no mistake, Net Neutrality _is_ a government regulation on a private industry. The libertarians can argue that it's only a psuedo-private industry and that everything would be fine if the government just deregulated completely (because that worked so well when AT&T was in charge) but it's _still_ a government regulation. If we keep voting for folks who don't believe in government this is what we're going to get.

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  3. Domocrats support NN, Republicans oppose by bit+trollent · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, lets see, almost all votes for NN are from Democrats, including centrist democrats. Only one single republican supports this legislation.

    So when you say to vote out the Clinton democrats you are telling us to vote out the people who actually signed their name to this legislation, while fail to even acknowledge that the republican party is 99% against net neutrality.

    This ridiculous claim that both sides are at fault when one is at fault while the other works to protect us is the exact reason that our country is in the mess we are in.

    I hope Bernie Sanders gets last place in the primary, tied with some other sore loser who can't tell the difference between his allies and his adversaries.

  4. Re:Good news for people with a brain. by bit+trollent · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ah yes, we shouldn't forget about the freedom of our local cable monopoly to block or curtail access to the services that make the internet what it is.

  5. Re:Wrong by Powercntrl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Republicans favor the Net Neutrality we have today.

    Yeah, it's so fucking awesome to have a single choice of broadband provider, one which now has carte blanche to implement whatever means they deem necessary to squeeze more profit out of a market they've monopolized.

    Government regulation is not the best solution, but voting for regulation is all that remains when voting with your wallet is not an option. The fault is not with those of us who were forced into a corner and vote "left". The fault lies with businesses who have chosen not to play fairly at the game of capitalism. We're simply demanding they be held accountable.

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  6. Re:Still don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    You're off. Way, way off. Without Net Neutrality, one side's ISP can hold the other side hostage and refuse to deliver the data they've already paid their own ISP for. It's like if the mailman decides he doesn't like one house on the block and won't deliver their mail, even if the sender already paid postage.

  7. Re:Still don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's not at all what it's about. It's the concept that your ISP should be considered as a telecommunication utility rather than a content provider. As such, they should not be allowed to selectively throttle your connection based on what media you consumed, but rather treat all bits as equal. We're paying for the connection already, and the entities we're connecting to are paying for theirs -- nobody is trying to get anything for free.

    They can still have data caps, but things like 0-rating to make their own content more desirable would also be illegal. Since most consumers only have 1 or 2 broadband choices, letting them take advantage of their natural monopolies does not lead to a competitive market.

    The repeal has far-reaching implications, as with it providers are free to throttle their competitors or even block any content they want to discourage -- we have to take them at the word for it that they won't. And we've actually seen them throttle competitors before, which is the entire reason NN was enacted in the first place.

  8. Re:Still don't get it by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 4, Informative

    What you described has nothing to do with net neutrality. NN is what keeps Microsoft from paying Comcast so that Bing loads faster than Google. It's horrible for start ups, as it puts a giant cost in the way of using their service. Plus, who wants Comcast deciding which sites they get to use at regular speeds, and which get arbitrarily slowed down.

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  9. More correction needed by hyades1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    It looks like the recent kick in the teeth Republicans got at the polls wasn't enough to educate them about what happens when Americans get annoyed with their government. Perhaps in a couple of years another electoral kick, this time straight to the balls, will get through to them.

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  10. Re:YOU still don't get it by Rhipf · · Score: 3, Informative

    Based on this response it doesn't sound like you do know what net neutrality is.

    The lack of Net Neutrality rules does nothing to protect your scenario that medical data or teacher/student interaction. You seem to think that NN somehow allows Netflix to get away with more profits. Without NN there is just as much of a probability that the medical data and/or teacher/student interaction could be throttled. If your ISP decided they could make more money from throttling that data they possibly would.

    The main reason that ISPs throttle Netflix (and similar commercial content) isn't to make the other "critical" data move through the system faster. The reason that they throttle companies like Netflix is so they can either charge them to get better access on their networks (not really how the Internet was setup to work) or more likely because they have a competing service so they want to stifle the competition.

    As an example, let's say that Comcast is your ISP. They are happily carrying the data of Netflix without throttling it. Then one day they decide that they would like to start a streaming service of their own. They start the service (let's call it Comflix) and offer it alongside Netflix without throttling either stream. Unfortunately very few subscribers are signing up for Comflix. Comcast decides that instead of competing head-to-head with Netflix they will throttle the Netflix stream to 50% and leave Comflix at 100% bandwidth. To further profit from this Comcast also goes to Netflix and tells them if they pay Comcast a small fee (several million dollars) they will open up the bandwidth and only throttle them to 75% of the bandwidth.

    You still may not think this is too much of a problem but... change Netflix in that example to a medical service that is providing you that medical data from your doctor. If Comcast decided to start up a competing medical data service would you still be happy with them throttling the data from your doctors medical data service provider.

    Making "data transport fair for cloud providers and video streamers and search engines" via NN is also making data transport fair for the individual.