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We Might Not Have Enough Materials for All the Solar Panels and Wind Turbines We Need, an Analysis Finds (popularmechanics.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Plenty of high-tech electronic components, like solar panels, rechargeable batteries, and complex circuits require specific rare metals. These can include magnetic neodymium, electronic indium, and silver, along with lesser-known metals like praseodymium, dysprosium, and terbium. These metals are mined in large quantities in countries around the world, and they make their way into the supply chains of all sorts of electronics and renewables companies.

A group of researchers from the Dutch Ministry of Infrastructure determined how many of these important metals will be required by 2050 in order to make enough solar panels and wind turbines to effectively combat climate change. With plenty of countries, states, cities, and companies pledging to go 100 percent renewable by 2050, the number of both solar panels and wind turbines is expected to skyrocket. According to the analysis, turbines and solar panels might be skyrocketing a bit too much. Demand for some metals like neodymium and indium could grow by more than a dozen times by 2050, and there simply might not be enough supply to power the green revolution.

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  1. The dynamo in a wind turbine by tepples · · Score: 2, Informative

    Solar panels don't use "rare earth" elements

    Not all renewable energy is photovoltaic. The dynamo in a wind turbine uses rare earth magnets.

    1. Re:The dynamo in a wind turbine by mspohr · · Score: 5, Informative

      There’s a persistent myth about wind turbines that just won’t seem to go away despite reality running to the contrary: they need rare earth materials to generate electricity.
      For those not acquainted with rare earths like neodymium and dysprosium, they’re used in products from your iPhone and computer to flat screen TVs and certain types of batteries.
      While they can be difficult to mine, rare is a misnomer: they exist in abundance throughout the earth’s crust.
      Many people think rare earths are also a necessary component of wind turbines, but the facts find otherwise: only about two percent of the U.S. wind turbine fleet uses them, and that number shouldn’t change much in the years to come.

      https://www.aweablog.org/rare-...

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    2. Re:The dynamo in a wind turbine by Shaitan · · Score: 4, Informative

      You do realize this article is in fact an analysis of these materials and their accessible quantities and the determination that THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH OF THEM for the demand required through 2050. Rare is a subjective term this is quantative analysis of what is actually there not guesswork based on the word "rare" which you are battling. Abundant within the Earth's crust isn't particularly meaningful, we can't get to all the earths crust by a long shot and not all of what we can get to is easily accessible or cheaply accessible and even if we can get to it easily and cheaply we can still only pull it out so fast.

  2. 100% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    100% is not possible. Best estimate is renewables hit a wall at 20% of max capacity. We will still be using natural gas by 2050 that is a guarantee. Nuclear sure, hopefully we get over the psychology of it. Coal is DOA except of course in third world countries and China/India. Youth have been fed a pack of lies about this. By the time they are in their 40s and 50s they will wonder why they were lied to about the fake green revolution.

    1. Re:100% by mspohr · · Score: 3, Informative

      Multiple studies have shown that 100% of energy needs can be met by renewables. We don't need fossil fuels.
      Here's a few... try Google for more...
      https://interestingengineering...
      https://physicsworld.com/a/100...
      https://www.sciencedirect.com/...

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  3. Re:Wow yes by AvitarX · · Score: 4, Informative

    It wasn't new and shiny. It was cheap.

    It was known to be inferior, but thought to be good enough (it wasn't).

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  4. Re:Wow yes by PPH · · Score: 5, Informative

    aluminum - didn't work out too well.

    It works just fine. Look up some time. All that stuff strung between the poles and transmission towers ... aluminum. So is the stuff underground. Even the larger service lines into your house are made of aluminum. Pretty much the only copper left is small wire (branch circuits from your panel) due to the higher cost of terminating aluminum properly.

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