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Sphero Discontinues Its BB-8, R2-D2, and Other Licensed Disney Products (theverge.com)

Sphero's hinted that it's getting out of the licensed product game, but this week CEO Paul Berberian confirmed that the company is clearing out its remaining licensed inventory and won't be restocking the supply. From a report: That means the company won't be producing any more BB-8s, R2-D2s, Lightning McQueen cars, or talking Spider-Mans. The listings for all the toys list them as "legacy products" that are no longer in production. App support will continue for "at least two years, if not longer," Berberian says. The Disney partnership lasted three years, but ultimately, the licensed toy business required more resources than it was worth, Berberian tells The Verge. These toys sold well when released with a movie, but interest waned over time as the movie became more distant, he says. Still, the company sold "millions" of BB-8s, although company data shows that the toys weren't used much after initial play time and eventually sat on shelves.

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  1. Face It. Star Wars Sucked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Space Ballz!

  2. PPGR8 on a pair of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mobesticles?

    Just like the current design but two of them, and with more of a 'neck' and mushroom shaped head above :)

  3. Re:SJW dolls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Just buy all of them and throw away the white males.

  4. Re:SJW dolls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    This is also Disney's business plan for the Star Wars.

  5. Re:SJW dolls? by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

    I don't know which ones identify as white males. They are dolls.

  6. Re:SJW dolls? by lgw · · Score: 1

    This is Sphero, so it's just the bots. Cool toys for the modern age, even if you didn't like the new movies (BB-8 was still a cool concept). All the action figures that sold so badly Toys-R-Us went bankrupt are someone else.

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  7. Re:SJW dolls? by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    Cool toys for the modern age=plastic junk that kids play with for 10 minutes and then end up in a landfill

  8. Re:Face It. Star Wars Sucked! by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    It was never that great of a movie. Its special effects wowed audiences in the late 1970's and early 1980's and it story just held onto the nostalgia, so the kids of the time still have fond memories of it.

    Sense then the High Effects movies become very common, and the latest (and prequel) movies just couldn't lean on effects to cover its other faults, because there was so much competition in the big budget high effects movies.

    I think a lot of the toys sold, was from parents who think their kids would relive the Star Wars adventure they had as a kid, While in reality today's kids are interested in different stuff.

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  9. Re:SJW dolls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    underrated post

  10. and how do they know that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the toys weren't used much after initial play time and eventually sat on shelves

    they wouldn't..

    unless there is some spying on children and their toys going on.

    1. Re:and how do they know that? by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 1

      If you read the summary, you'd be aware that the toys were accompanied by Apps. So yes, they were "spying" by running metrics on usage data. Do you use Apps? Then you are letting people "spy" on you

    2. Re:and how do they know that? by mark-t · · Score: 1

      You are aware that the app works even if you don't have a connection, right? Once the firmware has been downloaded to the device, no internet connectivity is required from that point forward.

    3. Re:and how do they know that? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      You are aware that the vast majority of users don't bother to turn off their network access just to keep apps from phoning home on launch, right? :-)

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    4. Re:and how do they know that? by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Sure... but there's a rather large difference between phoning home on launch and "spying". One doesn't change with what you do, the other does. One can potentially be used to track you, the other cannot.

    5. Re:and how do they know that? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      My point was that for an app whose sole purpose is to control a specific device, if the app even so much as phones home on launch, they can tell whether the user is still using the app, and if they aren't getting those pings, that's a pretty strong indication that the device is sitting on a shelf. :-)

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    6. Re:and how do they know that? by mark-t · · Score: 1

      If a person is genuinely worried that a company will know that they are playing with what is ultimately just a toy, they are probably paranoid enough to turn off connectivity when they use the app in the first place.

    7. Re:and how do they know that? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Of course, but that's probably 1% of users, at most. There's no way that a large enough percentage of users would shut off connectivity for the company to incorrectly believe that nearly all of the devices are sitting on the shelf when they're really in use. The average person doesn't even think about privacy, much less think about it enough to monkey around with cell phone settings to ensure it.

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    8. Re:and how do they know that? by mark-t · · Score: 1

      I'm suggesting that I don't think it's very likely that Sphero is paying any attention to the phoning home that the apps do when they are launched, or at least not in any way that is should be a legitimate concern to anyone who is thinking rationally. Identifying a given user from that information would be not just merely like finding a needle in a haystack, it would be like finding one needle that itself was made of hay in a haystack of other virtually indistinguishable needles also made of hay.

  11. Re:Face It. Star Wars Sucked! by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    I still think the old Star Wars special effects are a TON better than the new ones. Probably because they were carefully built and filmed models and not just CGI effects thrown together overseas in an animation factory.

  12. Re:Face It. Star Wars Sucked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Not a huge far of the genre in general, but Star Wars went downhill when they replaced Kirk with Picard

  13. What do you expect by freeze128 · · Score: 2

    This is not unexpected. How long do you think a toy like that will last with a sealed-in battery that cannot be replaced without cutting the plastic? Sure, they're collectable, but the value diminished when you find out that they no longer work, and will NEVER work again.

    1. Re:What do you expect by mark-t · · Score: 1

      And just how long do you think that is?

      Yes, it will eventually die, but when a battery lasts for years and years, it's not doing too badly.

    2. Re:What do you expect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People built phones with non-removable batteries that users were expected to use for at least a year a two. It's a lot more sensible for toys that kids will outgrow quickly.

    3. Re:What do you expect by chispito · · Score: 1

      This is not unexpected. How long do you think a toy like that will last with a sealed-in battery that cannot be replaced without cutting the plastic? Sure, they're collectable, but the value diminished when you find out that they no longer work, and will NEVER work again.

      That's not the point of the article (which is boringly un-newsworthy). It's the novelty died, not the batteries.

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    4. Re:What do you expect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was a mobile engineer during the initial launch at Sphero

      The batteries were projected to last about 5 years. A few of the first run were missing a pulldown resistor that caused the batteries to not last as long, but those all went to be display models (the heads with a blue projector eye, which was turned back to black for sale units at the request of Disney)

  14. Re:SJW dolls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry, they don't sell them to micropeened incels. You'd fail the purchasing test.

  15. Re:SJW dolls? by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    Damn. That's why I come to Slashdot. So much information from people who are on the front lines of these issues.

  16. Toys as apps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All toys like this, those that depend on a smartphone app, will eventually become display only or garbage. The back end servers/apps that make these toys work will eventually be retired or will become unusable as development stops. (anyone really think something like the bb8 app on your phone used to control the thing will get upgrades for the next version of android? Or a version in 5 years?)

    1. Re:Toys as apps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All toys like this, those that depend on a smartphone app, will eventually become display only or garbage.

      So, the same thing that happens to all other toys?

    2. Re:Toys as apps by Bobrick · · Score: 1

      Come on, you know what the poster meant. That old RC race car may just be sitting on a shelf, but you can still put batteries in and drive it around. Not so 5 years at most after you buy some mobile-connected RC car of today.

  17. Re:Face It. Star Wars Sucked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get the Tshirt!

  18. Re:SJW dolls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yep. Now go take yourself out like the Supreme Gentlemen Rodgers. Then your parents no longer have to be embarrassed by their incel kid.

  19. Re:SJW dolls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I promise, someday you'll recover from the trauma of seeing a space movie that didn't have enough people who look like you.

  20. Re:SJW dolls? by lgw · · Score: 1

    Well, that's about 90% of Christmas toys, isn't it? But they're great for geek manbabies.

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  21. Expectations by sjbe · · Score: 1

    App support will continue for "at least two years, if not longer," Berberian says.

    My first question would be what do they mean by "support"? I'd be shocked if they were providing any meaningful support as I use the term now. Not like they are going to get ongoing revenue from the apps unless they are some sort of game with in-game purchases. Given that they are selling these ultimately to children who generally don't control the credit card I can't imagine them bothering with any meaningful support.

    These toys sold well when released with a movie, but interest waned over time as the movie became more distant, he says.

    Were they expecting something different? That's how licensed content works as a general proposition.

    company data shows that the toys weren't used much after initial play time and eventually sat on shelves.

    In other news water is wet. Have these people ever actually watched children? This happens to approximately all toys. Children get them, play with them, get bored with them and move on to some other toy.

    1. Re:Expectations by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 2

      My first question would be what do they mean by "support"?

      Supported means downloadable from the app stores. So probably recompiled with new APIs as required to maintain store presence.

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    2. Re:Expectations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only that, but if the only method of control is through an app, and that app stupidly relies on cloud communication to work, then the device stops working immediately.

    3. Re:Expectations by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      The app may have some reliance on cloud communication if features were offloaded, but the actual communication with the toy is via bluetooth.

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  22. Re:SJW dolls? by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    I resemble that remark!

  23. Didn't age well by sjbe · · Score: 1

    I still think the old Star Wars special effects are a TON better than the new ones.

    Evidently you haven't seen A New Hope recently because the effects have not aged well and I'm being generous when I say that. You might appreciate them more for what they are and what went into making them but they look quite clumsy compared to the current state of the art. Some of the effects in the original trilogy have held up pretty well - particularly in Empire and RotJ but others definitely have not. The ewoks were a fail both from a story telling standpoint and from an effects standpoint. They just look absurd - it's like watching Sesame Street as an adult.

    1. Re: Didn't age well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ewoks weren't effects. They were little people in suits. Which one looked more realistic? Ewoks or jar jar

    2. Re:Didn't age well by husker_man · · Score: 1

      Heck, back in 1977 when I saw Star Wars (no "A New Hope" cr*p!) the special effects were relatively laughable. On a second viewing of the movie, my best friend and I were tearing apart the land speeder going down the canyon, it's appearance in Mos Eisley, the trench run, and many other "special" effects scenes. A lot of them were pretty good (seeing the Death Star and Alderaan blow up were kind of nice), but the special effects weren't all that special back then.

    3. Re: Didn't age well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They say memory is the first thing to go.

  24. Re: SJW dolls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about the trauma of seeing Carrie fisher sail across space? Who is going to help us recover from that? I'll never get over Nacho Grande!

  25. Re:Face It. Star Wars Sucked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Space Ballz!

    Where is my Mega-Maid model?

  26. Nice choice of words ... by Misagon · · Score: 1

    LOL. "The movies became more distant" is an interesting ambiguous choice of words ...

    A longer time ago, true.
    More distant from the Star Wars that we used to know, also true.

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    1. Re:Nice choice of words ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So weird that someone chose a word that was accurate in multiple senses. That's definitely what ambiguity is.

  27. Re:SJW dolls? by Desler · · Score: 0

    You underestimate the fragility of the mind of an alt-right incel. Seeing someone female and non-white sends the mind into panic.

  28. Finally real geek news on slashdot by guacamole · · Score: 1

    I am glad I got my own bb-8

    1. Re:Finally real geek news on slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm glad I didn't.

      "Still, the company sold "millions" of BB-8s, although company data shows that the toys weren't used much after initial play time and eventually sat on shelves."

      How the hell can the company make this claim? Are the toys phoning home usage or something? :P

      Maybe it's just a tad bit of paranoia making me think this but then I think about every other weird ass item that's been configured to radio home usage so the company can "better serve it's customers".

    2. Re:Finally real geek news on slashdot by irving47 · · Score: 1

      The number of updates downloaded, the MAC addresses of all the BB8's associated with those downloads, maybe the UIN's for the tablets/phones... Pretty easy for them to get the information on how many are still in use without disclosing all your private information. I sure as hell don't want it sending back my local network information or much else, but I don't see a problem with the number of impacts registered by the accelerometer when the speed slider is set to maximum being a problem. I can think of a few metrics the toys could send back home to make them work/act better or be more responsive without compromising your privacy.

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  29. Re:SJW dolls? by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    I identify as a female and non-white and also a Jedi so I am safe.

  30. Re: SJW dolls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Taco Bell? Those wounds run...pretty deep.

    Oh wait - that's Macho Grande! Taco Bell it is...

  31. Re:Face It. Star Wars Sucked! by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

    It was enormously influential. Which is to say, everything it did well was copied a million times, and when someone today watches it for the first time they have already seen those same ideas in hundreds of more recent movies. Sometimes done better. To understand why Star Wars was so regarded just think what the state of sci-fi movies was in 1977: A joke. The domain of low-budget B-movies, cliche characters and wooden acting. What Star Wars has then was groundbreaking, but today it is just routine and unremarkable.

  32. Re:Face It. Star Wars Sucked! by Drethon · · Score: 1

    I still think the old Star Wars special effects are a TON better than the new ones. Probably because they were carefully built and filmed models and not just CGI effects thrown together overseas in an animation factory.

    The motions of the original X-Wings were a bit off putting to me, but the other effects (particularly interior ones) were pretty good.

  33. Re:Face It. Star Wars Sucked! by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    But the story well sucked. Its strength was on actually caring about the movie.

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  34. They could have had better controls by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    My son was given a BB8 for Christmas last year. It seemed like a great toy, except it came with no controller whatsoever. Control was done by communication with a smartphone or tablet.

    This was - supposedly - not a problem as he had an iPad that we gave him some time before. Except that only newer iPads could control BB8 - older ones did not support whatever communication method was used, and could not even install the software. So we installed it on my personal smartphone as it was the only one in the house at the time that could run the software (even the newest iPhone in the house couldn't run it).

    Except of course there are times when I want to use my phone as - gasp! - a phone. I couldn't let him run around all day with it as a toy (nevermind that letting him do that would eventually result in him sitting down and playing games on my phone instead of playing with BB8).

    I know there are people who like to give cell phones to their young kids, but that is not part of my parenting philosophy.

    Oh, and before you point to the "smart band" (or whatever they called it), take a closer look at it. That band just communicates via bluetooth with the phone or tablet, and then the phone still drives BB8. It doesn't take your android or IOS device out of the equation, indeed it makes it work a little bit harder.

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  35. Re:SJW dolls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, actually. I hear they are making a line of dolls that will cry white tears.

  36. This bit is worrisome. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "although company data shows that the toys weren't used much after initial play time and eventually sat on shelves."

    These are children's toys, why the fuck are they tracking this. I'm pretty sure that some countries/states has laws against doing this to children.

  37. Why even... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >you will never live a life commandeering a fast speartip-shaped 60-crew starship as a slippery depraved Sith Lord Booty Pirate, who has force dominated and corrupted an exotic and mixed crew of sexy female Twi'lek, Vahla, Chiss, Zeltron, Vultan, Farghul, Falleen, Devaronian, Dathomirian/Zabrak, Mirialan, Bpfasshi, Echani, Thyrsian, Epicanthix, Firrerreo, Keshiri, Kiffar, Morganian, Nagai, Omwati, Pantoran, Wroonian, Rattataki, Sarkhai, Tholothian, Umbaran, Vorzydiak, and Togruta sex-slaves to serve as your personal bodyguards and maids

    Why even live?

  38. Re:SJW dolls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess that explains why they didn't sell at all, since all the nu-Star Wars fans are incels and femcels.

  39. Hey msmash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just for future reference, press releases from The Verge aren't worth posting. You can tell because they intentionally avoid explaining who or what Sphero is, or why anyone should give a shit about them. Your commenters were gracious enough to let me know that I should really just continue to ignore their existence, but frankly they shouldn't have to do that - you should have just declined to post the press release.

    And if any "advertising partners" from Sphero are reading, your business plan is so hilariously transparent that you may as well have advertised the battery life of the product as "just long enough for us to cash out".

    Excelsior,
    A.C.

  40. Practical effects by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Ewoks weren't effects. They were little people in suits.

    Ewoks absolutely were practical effects.

    Which one looked more realistic? Ewoks or jar jar

    Honestly? Jar Jar. The character was an abomination in a variety of ways but from a pure FX standpoint Jar Jar looked WAY more believable than a bunch of awkwardly moving midgets wearing teddy bear suits. At no point was I ever able to suspend disbelief that the ewoks were anything other than small humans in suits because they moved EXACTLY like a little person wearing a costume.

  41. State of the art by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Heck, back in 1977 when I saw Star Wars (no "A New Hope" cr*p!) the special effects were relatively laughable.

    Your opinion was not shared at the time. I saw the movie in theaters in 1977 too and the special effects were excellent for the day. I'm not sure what you think was substantially better among late 1970s movies. The special effects were considered state of the art in 1977. Hell it's what made Industrial Light and Magic what it is today. It won 6 academy awards including Best Art Direction, Best Costume Design, Best Film Editing, Best Original Score, Best Sound and of course Best Visual Effects. Say what you want about the movie overall but you cannot say it's special effects weren't state of the art at the time of its release. My point is that the state of the art has advanced considerably in the last 40 years and it shows.