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Researchers Demonstrate Teleportation Using On-Demand Photons From Quantum Dots (phys.org)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Phys.Org: A team of researchers from Austria, Italy and Sweden has successfully demonstrated teleportation using on-demand photons from quantum dots. In their paper published in the journal Science Advances, the group explains how they accomplished this feat and how it applies to future quantum communications networks. Scientists and many others are very interested in developing truly quantum communications networks -- it is believed that such networks will be safe from hacking or eavesdropping due to their very nature. But, as the researchers with this new effort point out, there are still some problems standing in the way. One of these is the difficulty in amplifying quantum signals. One way to get around this problem, they note, is to generate photons on-demand as part of a quantum repeater -- this helps to effectively handle the high clock rates. In this new effort, they have done just that, using semiconductor quantum dots.

Prior work surrounding the possibility of using semiconductor quantum dots has shown that it is a feasible way to demonstrate teleportation, but only under certain conditions, none of which allowed for on-demand applications. Because of that, they have not been considered a push-button technology. In this new effort, the researchers overcame this problem by creating quantum dots that were highly symmetrical using an etching method to create the hole pairs in which the quantum dots develop. The process they used was called a XX (biexciton)--X (exciton) cascade. They then employed a dual-pulsed excitation scheme to populate the desired XX state (after two pairs shed photons, they retained their entanglement). Doing so allowed for the production of on-demand single photons suitable for use in teleportation. The dual pulsed excitation scheme was critical to the process, the team notes, because it minimized re-excitation.

76 comments

  1. Yeah, Sure! by wiggles · · Score: 1

    I understand some of those words!

    Does this mean we can have a 0 latency network connection regardless of distance some day?

    1. Re:Yeah, Sure! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My understanding is nil as well. However, I do think the goal is to have quantum entangled communication. So, yeah, I think the goal is, zero latency; like, Star Trek communication (instantaneous communications from any distance). Though, I'm not sure that is what is being done here. Sounds like they are teleporting photons. Is that the same thing, I don't know. Didn't understand most of it. I'm not an experimental physicist.

    2. Re:Yeah, Sure! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Theoretically yes, but you and I won't live to see it.

    3. Re:Yeah, Sure! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just wanted to share this with you.

      Go to Google Maps and look up Nigeria. On the left hand side, there is a link to "Photos" for Nigeria.

      Why is it that there are so many fake photos? Many of them appear to be low quality CGI or pictures from other places in the world. Is that how Nigerians imagine their country should be so they upload fake photos?

    4. Re: Yeah, Sure! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except we cannot teleport - we still must use regular transportation and elevators etc

    5. Re:Yeah, Sure! by gravewax · · Score: 1

      no, not even theoretically.

    6. Re:Yeah, Sure! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the goal is zero need to transmit keys and have truly random yet known at both ends keys, it does nothing for transmission speed as you still have to ship the information in the traditional slower than light speed way.

    7. Re: Yeah, Sure! by jd · · Score: 1

      Entanglement is one shot, so you have to move particles, but the particles can deliver information. Just one bit's worth.

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    8. Re: Yeah, Sure! by jd · · Score: 1

      At this point, there are many theories, which vary according to which of the 33 different quantum mechanics you use.

      Not even quantum physicists can predict behaviours, only aggregates.

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    9. Re: Yeah, Sure! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no current theory (outside of sci fi) that allows for instant communications. They all require side channels. The instant communication referred to is misunderstood by most, it is purely the ability to observe the behaviour and know that the other side sees the same thing and hence when provided with an action against that observation the results will be identical. The problem is those actions have to be communicated using traditional methods.

    10. Re:Yeah, Sure! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because both longitude and latitude are close to zero there.
      So miscalculated / truncated values for latitude and longitude in photos lead to placement of these near Nigeria.

    11. Re:Yeah, Sure! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if you still are limited to speed of light it would be a pretty huge benefit to be able to communicate with this speed.
      Something traveling along the Earth surface at the speed of light reaches the other side in 67ms.
      If you can send it in a straight line through Earth instead it only takes 43ms.

      Do you want a near to infinity supply of babies? Because a lot of Australian gamers are willing to hand over their firstborn for sub 100ms ping to the rest of the world.

    12. Re: Yeah, Sure! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes entanglement is one shot, hence why it is such an interesting tech for keys, but it doesn't really deliver any information, it simply reacts in a consistent manner on both ends when fed the same inputs.

  2. safe from hacking or eavesdropping? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Then we'll never have it... I kid I kid... When do we get the countertop unit?

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    “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
  3. No, although it's quite a tease by raymorris · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The rule you may know as "nothing can go faster than light" is actually "information can't be transmitted at more than light speed". You can find ways of measuring "speed" that come out to a value greater than C, but in no case do those allow one to transmit information from here to there at a velocity greater than C. At least not if "here" and "there" are more than an atom apart.

    In quantum theory specifically, there's something called the no-communication theorem.

    One example of a tease is that it's believed using quantum entanglement, two observers at a distance can see the same effect at exactly the same time - as if they both had access to the two ends of a very long string (or cat), and both ends of the string do the same thing at the same time. However, neither end can *effect* the behavior, so they can't send information.

    There are a lot of ways to get excited *thinking* something implies faster than light communication if you understand a little bit of quantum physics.

    1. Re:No, although it's quite a tease by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yep, invariably this requires a side channel to communicate the information, what the entanglement lets them do is have a key to the information that is accessible to both, random and bullet proof against hacking the key generation.

    2. Re:No, although it's quite a tease by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      The rule you may know as "nothing can go faster than light" is actually "information can't be transmitted at more than light speed".
      If that is the new /. meme: it is wrong.
      Breaking of entanglement, or any other spooking behaviour of entanglement is "transmitted" instantly. Hence the quote of Einstein: this is spooky.

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    3. Re: No, although it's quite a tease by jd · · Score: 2

      You can presuppose ER!=EPR, but until you've a paper on arXix, that's a supposition.

      ER=EPR doesn't violate light speed, it simply says the particles are at the same point. Space isn't absolute, so two observers can see different distances. That's allowed.

      The question is whether it happens.

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    4. Re:No, although it's quite a tease by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      The rule you may know as "nothing can go faster than light" is actually "information can't be transmitted at more than light speed"

      There's another "rule" closer to home that will limit any widespread adoption and/or use by the masses.

      it is believed that such networks will be safe from hacking or eavesdropping due to their very nature.

      The rule is "no un-hackable, secure against government snooping, communications technologies are allowed for the proles."

      If quantum technology can provide individuals with communications that government cannot intercept, track, decrypt, etc, the old "munitions" label for crypto tech in the '80s and '90s will see new life and include bans on domestic use, possession, etc. The US government will never tolerate it's citizens being able to say anything to anyone else that they cannot eavesdrop upon. The very idea scares them to death as it would allow people to organize sufficiently to significantly alter the status quo and therefor it threatens their place in the power structure. They might even get kicked out of the Oligarch's Club! Horrors!

      Strat

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    5. Re:No, although it's quite a tease by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the real tease is this business about XXX excitation cascades teleporting your quantum dots from the hole pair using a dual-pulsed excitation scheme. Is it April 1st already?

      In other news, the speed of light is not a limit, it's a constant. Funny that, since the constant was found not to be consistent so they redefined what defined the speed of light, that is to say, the meter and the second. Aint that nice, circular logic for ya?

      Sorta like...
      Yellow: the lighter of two colors which, when mixed, give the color green
      Blue: the darker of two colors which, when mixed, give the color green
      Green: the color given by mixing yellow and blue

      Pure scientific genius!

      One day maybe scientists will be a bit less bent on preserving status quo in favor of progress.

    6. Re:No, although it's quite a tease by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The rule you may know as "nothing can go faster than light" is actually...

      "nothing can go as fast as light in a vacuum."

      FTFY, though your actual point is well-taken, being accurate about it helps. Also the constant is c, not C. Lower case c is the speed of light in a vacuum. I don't know what C is, possibly the constant of integration maybe. It matters, so let's get it right.

  4. amplifying quantum signals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What?
    I thought the point of entanglement was that they still danced the same tune over infinite distance.

  5. Central Lighting! by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    A team of researchers from Austria, Italy and Sweden has successfully demonstrated teleportation using on-demand photons from quantum dots

    What I'm pretty sure this means, is that you can have one place on earth that generates a huge quantity of light, and instead of buying lightbulbs we can all just buy varying clusters of quantum dots for light that just emit the results from the singular source, no matter how far! Pretty awesome.

    Imagine clothes with quantum dots embedded. Luminous!

    No need to wonder if that quantum dot in the fridge is off or on. It is light, eternal!

    And screw headlights on cars, we are making the WHOLE ROAD out of glowing quantum dots!

    Just make sure no-one hits that master off switch... hoo-boy!!

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  6. TV Teleporter by mentil · · Score: 1

    Soon I'll be able to walk into my quantum-dot TV and be teleported to another world. Persona 4 predicted this!

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    1. Re:TV Teleporter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We will never be able to transport people like Star Trek does.

      Why not? There are about 7 times 10 to the 27th power atoms in your average human body.
      You would need at least one atom to indicate the location the atom goes to in a three dimensional coordinate system so we are looking at maybe 7 times 10 to the 28th power of atoms.
      You would have to separate each atom from each other. That would require the energy released by at least several nuclear weapons.
      You would have to store all this information (assuming one atom = one byte) on a really large hard drive in a really fast computer at both ends of the transmission.
      Someone tell me how many mega bytes that would be.
      And the energy required to send all this data quickly.

      Ain't never going to happen.
       

    2. Re:TV Teleporter by Woeful+Countenance · · Score: 1

      You're making some big unstated assumptions there. If I want to teleport from one location to another, I mainly care about two things: that the contents of my brain are preserved, and that when I arrive, everything still works. I don't need an atom-by-atom exact replica of my original body. In fact, if I come out the other side in a body that looks like (for example) a 20-year-old George Clooney or Ryan Gosling, that's not a bug, it's a feature. Of course, there's a very long way between transmitting one photon and transmitting (and reconstructing) the contents of a human brain, and there's the problem of proving that the person who arrived is the same as the person who left, but that's just engineering.

  7. So you already have proof of 1W, 2W...?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Picking through the twaddle:

    "The two consecutive XX photons are sent directly to an APD connected to the correlation electronics."

    There's the filter again, so these properties are the same at a given time...

    "The two consecutive X photons are instead launched to an unbalanced Mach-Zehnder interferometer necessary to overlap them at BS2, which is used for the Bell state measurement. "

    And there's the test done *after* the filter again. Oh boy, you always see this.

    "For clarity, Fig. 1D shows only the configuration in which the early photon (XE) takes the long path, while the late photon (XL) takes the short path. In this case, the two X photons arrive at the same time at BS2 required for the quantum interference. "

    Holy fuck, if only you'd stop your quantum bullshittery for a second, you've already proved the very thing I'm asking you to prove.!

    This here, the second part:
    https://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=13041516&cid=57791044

    It's RESONANCE, not only is the photon 'entangled' with the t=0 spins, it's also in the same state for t=1 spin, t = 2 spins.... presumably your path length difference is a multiple of W,.... (W ~ approximately the size of the current proton)???

    https://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=13041516&cid=57791044

    "Entanglement Mk II:
    You can extend the experiment to prove more:
    1. Every 1F spin, the matter should be in the same state.
    2. So if you can make an experiment that compares photons at T=0, against protons at T=1 spin, they will also be 'entangled'.
    3. You would probably find it easier to work with W, the wavelength, which should be approximately the size of a current model of the proton (p*r*oton). The photon at X=0, should be 'entangled' with the one at X=W and X=2W, and X=3W..."

    What's the different in path length, is it a multiple of the proton size???
    http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/12/eaau1255

    So you think you've teleported the state, when actually its a *repeating* state driven by the underlying resonance.

    You've proved resonance, nearly. You just need to correlate W to times it repeats.

    1. Re:So you already have proof of 1W, 2W...?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mk III.
      Can you try different photon sources, can you show that W is independent of the wavelength of the light in your photon? Because if you can, then you can show the same F frequency that matter resonates at, and light resonates at, (and that it has nothing to do with the frequency of the light).

  8. finally some privacy in our communications ! by swell · · Score: 2

    "it is believed that such networks will be safe from hacking or eavesdropping due to their very nature."

    Well isn't that special! Truly private communication. But wait, isn't that against government policy? Don't our governments want access to all our communication, without the bother of encryption? Don't they want back doors to our devices?

    But maybe, just maybe, there is an exception for our masters in government, in police work, for corporate boardrooms and financial wheeler-dealers such that they can have the privacy denied to common citizens.

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    1. Re:finally some privacy in our communications ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At some point communication becomes decipherable otherwise it wouldn't work. They can still hack in at that level regardless of encryption or whatever protection.

    2. Re:finally some privacy in our communications ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nevermind that a "quantum repeater" would eliminate the guaranteed integrity of any communication anyway.

      An arbitrary number of points any of which could be compromised. Well that is what we have right now.

    3. Re:finally some privacy in our communications ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it's QUANTUM which is "better"!!!!!1

  9. It's true. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Despite all the "teasing" that our science fiction provides, the laws of physics simply do not provide any way that we could build faster-than-light space ships. There will never be an intergalactic community. We are stuck on this rock until the Sun blows up, and that's it.

    Yes it's true that things we have now were science fiction in the past. But they knew far little about physics than we know now. They didn't know what the boundaries were. And we have a very solid grasp of them now.

    And those boundaries are damn stifling.

    1. Re: It's true. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, yes. The laws of physics which have already undergone many a revision.

      I get what you're possibly trying to be butt hurt about - junk scientism is indeed a plague, and the cold fusion/teleportation/ftl/magic pill for every cancer/etc of the week is enough to infuriate anybody who isn't a fuckwad, sure.

      Ruling on the future, however, when humanity knows next to nothing is merely the greatest of hubris.

    2. Re:It's true. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And we have a very solid grasp of them now.

      He says as he slips on a patch of ice and breaks his neck...

      Really, your presumptuousness precedes you!

    3. Re:It's true. by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      There will never be an intergalactic community.

      Not of short-lived protoplasm, anyway.

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      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    4. Re: It's true. by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      AFAIK classical or quantum physics has never been "rewritten". But that won't stop the space nutters from being all over this "news".

    5. Re:It's true. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Despite all the "teasing" that our science fiction provides, the laws of physics simply do not provide any way that we could build faster-than-light space ships. There will never be an intergalactic community. We are stuck on this rock until the Sun blows up, and that's it.

      Those aren't strictly related.
      Most things point to FTL travel not being a possibility, but that doesn't rule out multi-generational travel.
      With current technology it is probably possible to put together a starship to go to Alfa Centauri in a couple of generations.
      The thing that says no is mainly that no-one is willing to fund such an endeavor.
      I guess it is also hard to find young people that are willing to sign up on spending the rest of their lives in space and then have their offspring spend their entire lives in space.

      As for being stuck here I don't think that is true.
      Once the Sun starts to expand enough to make it impossible to remain on this planet it will probably not be that hard to find funding to make an underground Mars colony.
      People are willing to spend a lot of resources and endure hardships to ensure survival, even if it is only temporary.
      When it comes to taking the jump to another star system that will likely not happen until we run out of "habitable" planets in this one unless we find a nearby exoplanet that has the right composition and placement for terraforming.
      While that is highly unlikely we are also very bad at detecting expolanets unless they are extremely close to a star.

    6. Re: It's true. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Warping space is possible, we know that by the very existence of gravity. It's probably possible to build a spacecraft which exploits that to travel faster than light without actually travelling faster than light within its frame of reference.

      The scope of your mind is very limited.

  10. Also the speed of light by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can you also show that radio waves travel at (almost nearly) C, whereas Gamma rays travel slightly *slower* than C? It will be tiny, something like an order of 3 or 4 magnitudes less than C. It won't be much but it should be measurable?

    This "all EM waves travel at C in a vacuum" thing, isn't true for these dipolar resonant systems.

    1. Re:Also the speed of light by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sloppy I mean one over three to four magnitudes.... i.e. 10^-3 to 10^-4

      Something like 2.9999 vs 3....

  11. teleport app by cstacy · · Score: 1

    On-demand photons...so, this is like quantum Uber? Does it use 3D-printed neural networks?

  12. Just make sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No flies are around

  13. Maybe harder to hack by raymorris · · Score: 1

    > and bullet proof against hacking the key generation.

    Several times a year there's a new exploit against yet another "bullet proof" encryption method.

    In theory, entanglement might make wiretapping harder. Once upon a time, fiber optic was impossible to wiretap. Now it's pretty easy.

    There IS a single encryption method that has remained secure for thousands of years, but it's damn inconvenient.

    1. Re:Maybe harder to hack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't hack what isn't transmitted. so nothing to hack against.

    2. Re:Maybe harder to hack by raymorris · · Score: 1

      > You can't hack what isn't transmitted

      Wanna bet? :)

      Cryptolocker (and probably 50,000 different vulnerabilities in my database) say I can hack shit you never transmit.

      Also, by what definition of "transmit" do you figure you can share information at a distance, and magically know who you are sharing it with and who you aren't sharing it with? The bad guy can entangle as well or better than the good guy. Plus the bad knows what "man in the middle" means.

    3. Re:Maybe harder to hack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      REally I have a laptop in a box next to me, feel free to try and hack it. The benefit of this type of key gen is that you don't need it to be online. Obviously you don't understand encryption if you think you can't share with someone and know who you are sharing with. The benefit of keys generated this way is no one else can have one. and no the bad guy can't fucking entangle lol FFS at least read something about the topic before spouting bullshit.

    4. Re:Maybe harder to hack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how the fuck do you man in the middle when a key is never transmitted? you can't man in the middle this type of encrypted transmission. it is the equivalent of having 2 hardware devices with preshared keys hardwired in. The only thing ever transmitted is an encrypted stream, there is literally nothing to hack. Sure you can compromise hosts at either end to read the unencrypted data but you can't actually break or intercept the encryption keys (unless you have worked out some magic source to break encryption), this sort of cryptography is almost exclusive done in a hardware device with no ability for the key to even leave the device. To read the stream you need constant access to the hardware encryptor where not even the owner of the device has the ability to read the key.

    5. Re:Maybe harder to hack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how the fuck do you man in the middle when a key is never transmitted?

      The entangled particles are transmitted and can be intercepted.
      This is vulnerable to the same MitM attacks as other encryption with the extra step that the MitM needs to generate new entangled particles to send since two communication channels are needed when you listen in instead of just one.

      To be sure that you are talking to the right person and don't have a MitM you need to do the particle exchange/key sharing in person with the person you want to communicate with, but if you can do that then already existing methods are pretty damn secure.

    6. Re:Maybe harder to hack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There IS a single encryption method that has remained secure for thousands of years, but it's damn inconvenient.

      Is it 2-pass ROT-13?

    7. Re:Maybe harder to hack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ezpz. A brick through your window and that laptop is gone. All the time in the world to circumvent any local security you might have put on it.

      Hacking isn't just data in transit nit wit.

    8. Re:Maybe harder to hack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No the entangled PArticles are NOT TRANSMITTED. They need to be manually transported, they can't be intercepted and can't be read as the process of measuring breaks entanglement.

    9. Re:Maybe harder to hack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you seem to have no clue about entanglement. You can't Transmit it. These is a physical item, it has to be in person.

    10. Re:Maybe harder to hack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The tried and true symmetric encryption methods have not been practically broken yet and it's been nearly 50 years. Asymetric encryption is harder to design to be strong into the future, but most people use encryption incorrectly.

  14. Well, duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... employed a dual-pulsed excitation scheme ... because it minimized re-excitation.

    Well, duh. There's no benefit being re-excited. Wait, what we were talking about?

    CAPTCHA: dismount

  15. The breaking of entanglement is FTL information tr by master_p · · Score: 1

    The breaking of entanglement is faster-than-light information transmission and thus breaks general relativity.

    Suppose Alice is on a space station around Jupiter, and holds one particle from an entangled pair.

    Suppose Bob, stationed in a space station around Deneb, holds the other particle.

    If the breaking of entanglement results in instant recognition of this breaking, then one can effectively send a signal to both Alice and Bob in faster-than-light speed!

    So something is wrong in all this. Either general relativity is wrong or, more probably, entanglement is not faster-than-light!!!

  16. Re:The breaking of entanglement is FTL information by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

    So something is wrong in all this. Either general relativity is wrong or, more probably, entanglement is not faster-than-light!!!
    General relativity never made any proclaims about entanglements.

    So: why do yo think it is wrong? Which particle of light or energy or mass is transporting the information, which
    is bound to the speed of light? There is none, and as we already know that quantum state transfer is instantly (since 90 years or so) I really wonder why /. is full with ignorants trying to claim it is not the case. 50 or 60 years ago it was unthinkable you could transport information on that base. Sine 30 years we know: we can.

    How backyard are you actually?

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  17. Not quantum teleportation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This doesn't appear to be teleportation, just the usual cherry picking with coincidence detectors.

    I'm starting to suspect that no quantum teleportation has ever been performed, let alone in this experiment.

  18. we will never see.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you guys really think any form of teleportation will ever see the light of day? i think not.
    Just think if some sort of instant wireless communication was invented. How many companies would fold over night..
    And if it was al of a sudden pissible to teleport yourself or goods. everything remoteley connected to transportation would collapse. Half the worlds poppulation would be without work over night. Goverments and countries would fall like a cardhouse.

  19. Central something by jd · · Score: 1

    What I'm pretty sure it means is that a third of Slashdot didn't read the article, a third can't read and a third think this is where you try out for the Morcambe and Wise show.

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    1. Re:Central something by ContextSwitch · · Score: 1

      this is where you try out for the Morcambe and Wise show

      You can't see the join!

  20. Re: The breaking of entanglement is FTL informatio by jd · · Score: 1

    No, it isn't FTL, because distance isn't absolute. If ER=EPR, the distance travelled must always be zero regardless of the distance seen by an external observer.

    It isn't necessarily FTL regardless, as an entangled photon is in all states. You're simply collapsing the probability wave to one of those options.

    The other particle is also in all possible states, so the state isn't transmitted. Probability waves aren't information and don't radiate, so don't travel.

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  21. Re:The breaking of entanglement is FTL information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You aren't transporting information faster than light.
    The entanglement breaks the moment you measure it. But you need to know to measure it or you are setting the state rather than reading it.

    Now... There are experiments such as the delayed choice quantum eraser which show that the act of measurement can in fact induce an effect which is retrocausal in nature. But even with such experiments, there is no way of obtaining the information until it has been measured and the results of the measurement transfered at light speed to it's destination.

    The property mentioned here is useful because it can demonstrate unequivocally that the information was untampered with. It's pretty simple.
    Alice and bob create entangled photons, store the photons and separate them by a large distance.
    Alice encodes information into her set of photons, then transmits the encoded data to Bob.

    Bob can then measure his photons using the information he received from Alice and if it matches, then Bob knows for certain that the information has no been tampered with.

    Thus making this more like a tamper proof seal than true encryption.

    Other methods of quantum encryption rely primarily on this tamper-proof concept.
    Instead of sending the entire plaintext in the clear and having Bob verify it.
    Alice can instead encrypt the data using a pre-agreed algorithm, write the encrypted data to her photons then send the key to Bob via an out of band exchange. This can mean they exchange the key before hand and simply agree that after a fixed period of time, Bob will check his photons for a message and attempt to decrypt. Or alternatively they could use the photons to handle the handshake portion, effectively exchanging keys by querying and setting the photons at set intervals.

    Because of monogamy of entanglement, if the connection is being intercepted, then decrypting the information will result in nothing but random noise.
    In all cases, Bob doesn't get information if it's been tampered with, it's either all or nothing.

    The real flaw here is the initial generation of photons. They can only generate so many photons while together. Once apart, they need to receive a stream of entangled photons in order to keep passing messages.
    When they are close together they can share the same photon source and ensure it hasn't been tampered with. But once apart they have no way of knowing if the photon source itself has not been replaced with a man in the middle device. Generating 2 pairs of photons and sending one of each pair to each of Alice and Bob. Monogamy of entanglement does not help, because the source of photons is compromised. Therefore the further away they are from the photon source, they are, the less certain they can be about the new photons arriving.
    What this article appears to be saying is that they can entangle 2 quantum dots to generate entangled pairs, thus keeping the photon source local.
    If so, it's bloody amazing, but the distances here are miniscule, and I wonder if they can really keep the dots from decohering over long time & distance scales.

  22. Re:The breaking of entanglement is FTL information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Suppose Bob, stationed in a space station around Deneb, holds the other particle.

    If the breaking of entanglement results in instant recognition of this breaking, then one can effectively send a signal to both Alice and Bob in faster-than-light speed!

    So something is wrong in all this. Either general relativity is wrong or, more probably, entanglement is not faster-than-light!!!

    You can't predict how the wavefunction will collapse. Just that it will collapse in the same way on both ends.

    You also can't "see the collapse" on the other end, you can only collapse your own end.

    You can't use this to communicate.

  23. Find this best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Two Danish researchers exposes in a new book extensive faults and deficiencies in the PISA methodology and the use of statistics. https://clasofm.com/clash-of-c...

  24. on demand photons by rossdee · · Score: 1

    How much extra does this cost on your cable bill?

  25. It won't stop Australia by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

    it is believed that such networks will be safe from hacking or eavesdropping due to their very nature

    But Australia's government will still demand a backdoor...

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  26. Unfortunately, it takes two bits to know about it by raymorris · · Score: 1

    > Breaking of entanglement, or any other spooking behaviour of entanglement is "transmitted" instantly.

    There is a relationship between the local qubit and the the distant qubit such that a change to one seems to cause one of several changes to the other.

    Unfortunately, to measure the change and find out exactly what happened to the distant qubit, one requires two classical bits of information about the distant qubit. You can easily find the protocol via Google.

  27. Interstellar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Being stuck here is all about mass conversion and exhaust velocity. In fact, the faster you go the less time it takes to get there.

    Time Dilation wrt Space travel
    Dilation Calculator

    I think the biggest issue with interstellar space travel is collision with anything larger than a grain of sand.

  28. Wait, what? by dragon-file · · Score: 1

    So... is this teleportation or simultaneous photon shedding? The title caused some excitation, but upon reading it, I don't think I'll be having any re-excitation either.

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  29. People are smarter than you can imagine by MooseTick · · Score: 1

    I agree that with what we know today, "the laws of physics simply do not provide any way that we could build faster-than-light space ships".

    But what if our current knowledge prevents us from even observing FLT activity. Imagine just 200 years ago. It could have been argued that Europe could not communicate with the US any faster than it takes a person/pigeon/entity to travel that distance. At best, something could be extremely "loud" and shout across the ocean to relay information. The amount of energy/decibels to facilitate that would be both impractical and likely destructive to anything nearby. Introduce the telegraph and suddenly information could be communicated at light speed with relative easy and small power requirements. At that point in time though, communications like that would have been crazy science fiction and regarded as fantasy.

    Today, to reach FTL travel it requires an infinate energy among with other engineering issues. I don't know if there is a similar solution to FTL travel/communications, but I can't 100% rule out that someone won't be able to figure out some "trick" in the next million years.

    1. Re:People are smarter than you can imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      simply solidify the crystalline lattice of the (obviously not the same thing as aether) higgs field then you can have any change on one side felt instantly on the other (think of a 10ft rod, how long does it take for a push or pull to travel from one end to the other?)

    2. Re:People are smarter than you can imagine by MooseTick · · Score: 1

      Yeah. Its so simple. You made my point. What is simple and obvious to us today was not before it was discovered.

      Like I was saying, 200 years ago people could have been communicating worldwide via radio waves and the top scientists in the world would have had no idea it was happening or even though to see if they could detect such activity.

  30. Entangled Entanglement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you shout into space and then race ahead of your shout and intercept it you will be able to communicate with yourself yesterday from tomorrow.

  31. Re:Unfortunately, it takes two bits to know about by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

    And? What exactly do you want to say? :D

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  32. Re:The breaking of entanglement is FTL information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Quite simple: There is no way to detect entanglement has been broken. You can test one of the particles, but you can't tell whether this test broke the entanglement, or whether it had already been broken by a test of the other particle.